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1. 04:18 AM - Re: Model II 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: Model II 582 (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Model II 582 (John Perry)
4. 08:23 AM - Bruce Lina (Jim Gilliatt)
5. 09:42 AM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Lynn Matteson)
6. 09:59 AM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
7. 10:54 AM - A forced landing (Torgeir Mortensen)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Model II 582 (Torgeir Mortensen)
9. 11:21 AM - Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (Torgeir Mortensen)
10. 11:29 AM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Flier)
11. 12:10 PM - Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 (Thomas Johnston)
12. 12:22 PM - Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:23 PM - Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Cloughley, Bill)
14. 12:30 PM - Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (David Savener)
15. 01:17 PM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Lynn Matteson)
16. 01:29 PM - the cost of fuel and happiness WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (Michel Verheughe)
17. 01:32 PM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Lynn Matteson)
18. 02:12 PM - Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (Torgeir Mortensen)
19. 02:20 PM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (flier)
20. 02:34 PM - Re: Model II 582 (Glenn Horne)
21. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Glenn Horne)
22. 02:49 PM - Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (Michel Verheughe)
23. 02:57 PM - Re: SV: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Torgeir Mortensen)
24. 03:53 PM - Engine Cooling and Radiator Location. (Torgeir Mortensen)
25. 04:12 PM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
26. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Victor W. Jacko)
27. 04:32 PM - Re: the cost of fuel and happiness WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (David Savener)
28. 04:42 PM - Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 (chad lively)
29. 04:52 PM - Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 (chad lively)
30. 05:15 PM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Allan Aaron)
31. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Randy Daughenbaugh)
32. 07:01 PM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Lynn Matteson)
33. 09:03 PM - Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
<<When I recently did a rebuild on the 582, I found that the previous owner
had removed the thermostat altogether. Engine does reach it's desired
temperature (50C I think) before full power is applied. Normally reaches
that temp by the end of taxi.>>
I had to caluclate C to F since I can't speak C...50C is 122F. Do you have
any documentation that indicates this is a desired temperature. It has
always been my impression that the 582 should run around 160F. Every web site
I
pull up uses around 160 as a norm. IMHO, 122F is way too cold. I don't even
taxi my plane until the coolant temps hit 140F. That takes about 5 minutes
or less after startup. My temps will stay around 150F-155F on a long taxi
and cruise at 165 normally. BTW, I use a 160 degree thermostat (or is it 165?)
<<In flight the water temps are stable at about 10 below the maximum - it
rarely moves. My radiator hangs out in the breeze just in front of the
undercarriage, with no cowls or fairings.>>
Again, had to caluclate. 10C below max is = to 50F below 180F(max) or, 130F
cruise temps. Again, that is way below 160F norm.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
12:49:04,
Serialize complete at 21/02/2005 12:49:04
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Don
I cant' quite remember the exact temperature but I think it is 50C
recommended BEFORE you should apply full power.
In flight I am sitting about 10C below the max which I think is around
80C. In other words in flight I am at approx 158F. I have a blue top 582
on a trike which runs at the same temperatures. I think we are agreeing on
the same here Don.
The one thing I will say however is that in South Africa, our temperature
differences between Summer and Winter may not be as significant as some of
our other list contributors. In Port Elizabeth, our Average air
temperature in Summer is 25C (77F) and in Winter only goes as low as an
average of 9C(49F). This does make things a lot less complicated. No need
for re-jetting between seasons.
Regards
Roger
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<<When I recently did a rebuild on the 582, I found that the previous
owner
had removed the thermostat altogether. Engine does reach it's desired
temperature (50C I think) before full power is applied. Normally reaches
that temp by the end of taxi.>>
I had to caluclate C to F since I can't speak C...50C is 122F. Do you
have
any documentation that indicates this is a desired temperature. It has
always been my impression that the 582 should run around 160F. Every web
site I
pull up uses around 160 as a norm. IMHO, 122F is way too cold. I don't
even
taxi my plane until the coolant temps hit 140F. That takes about 5
minutes
or less after startup. My temps will stay around 150F-155F on a long
taxi
and cruise at 165 normally. BTW, I use a 160 degree thermostat (or is it
165?)
<<In flight the water temps are stable at about 10 below the maximum - it
rarely moves. My radiator hangs out in the breeze just in front of the
undercarriage, with no cowls or fairings.>>
Again, had to caluclate. 10C below max is = to 50F below 180F(max) or,
130F
cruise temps. Again, that is way below 160F norm.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Temp on 582 should run around 170, mine is usually around 165 though in
cruise wide open on climb out she gets up to 175 max . . at startup i DO NOT
MOVE THE THROTTLE until temp reaches 120 min.
at 135 i will start to ease in throttle to 2600 rpm till warm up is finished
140. when she reaches 155 i am ready for takeoff . I do have the thermostat
installed . without it you will not see the correct temps and on descending
you will overcool the engine . If you have to do a go around then with
supercooled fluid in the radiator it will shrink the cylinder to much when
you give her the gas and wammo you now have a deadstick airplane
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
582 c box 2:62-1
GSC 3 blade 68"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Hi Bruce,
I lost your email, so send me a message off line, because I need to send
you some pictures.
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the info, Don. I got another "no bearing" reply off-list, so
of the two inputs, it looks like a "go" for no bearings. Guess I'll
make it number three for no bearings.
As an aside, are a lot of builders/fliers reluctant to answer some of
these technical questions, for fear that "big brother" might be reading
the list? Or do we have a lot of non-builders on the list who don't
know what they've got in their planes?
Lynn
On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 08:34 PM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2005 8:17:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
> I'm getting ready to install the hinges for the flaperon horn bearing,
> and got to wondering what folks do if they go to the one-piece lexan
> turtledeck. Also, I've seen a later model, possibly a V, that didn't
> have the same camloc spacing as the IV, but did have the lexan t'deck,
> and no bearing. Did SS do away with the flaperon bearing on later
> models? I also recall speaking with someone who said not to bother
> with
> the bearing...what IS the right way to go?
>
>
> Lynn,
> I don't have the one piece lexan but do have a one piece
> fiberglass
> (home fabricated). I simply cut slots in the fiberglass so they
> would fit down
> over the flapperon tubes. I have the flapperon bearings attached to
> the
> inside 4130 fuselage tabs with ball lock pins (also home fabricated
> and not the SS
> design). However, after hearing that the flapperon bearings weren't
> necessary on the model IV and above, I took out the ball lock pins.
> The bearings
> just sit there and aren't attached. Doesn't seem to matter. I have
> grabbed
> hold of the flapperon horns in flight and feel no flutter or
> unnecessary
> vibration. I'm basically flying with "no" flapperon hinges at the
> turtledeck.
> Having said that, I'm also flying with a 582 with max normal cruise
> of 90 MPH so
> I can't speak to higher speed Foxes.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:44:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
Thanks for the info, Don. I got another "no bearing" reply off-list, so
of the two inputs, it looks like a "go" for no bearings. Guess I'll
make it number three for no bearings.
As an aside, are a lot of builders/fliers reluctant to answer some of
these technical questions, for fear that "big brother" might be reading
I think your particular question on the bearing has no 100% clear
answer. The IV uses the bearing by design....However, I "SEEM" to remember reports
that the IV will operate fine without it. Mine does (as best I can tell).
On the other hand, you are the builder and have to weigh heavily what advise
you get from this list. You might get 5 completely different opinions on the
same subject, worse than that, they might all be wrong.
Having said that, what turtledeck are you using the SS provided or the
full Lexan? Couldn't quite determine that from your post. As I said, I have
a homemade fiberglass turtle deck that is one piece and formed to fit. Where
the flapperon tube passes through the fiberglass, it is a slip fit and
almost acts as a steady bearing.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | A forced landing |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
Found this one at the AeroElectric-Site, this story is kind of a must for
all "Subaru Drivers" - but also valuable for most of us for sure, -here is
a lot wisdom - and a lot to learn..
Here is the link to the RV-6A site:
Roll down to the end of this page
http://www.sdsefi.com/rv12.htm
Also, you'll find very much "valuable wisdom" about cooling and related
problems in here too..
Here is a direct link to the AeroElectric-List for the "on-going"
discussion over this topics.
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/aeroelectric-list/index.html
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> I believe it was Torgeir that said he operates without a thermostat and
> covers the radiator during winter months. I think I will try that soon
> and see how the rad flaps handle this.
> Eager to see what 90 degree weather will do since the whole mod was
> for overheating in hot weather conditions.
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/582
Long time .. no ..
Right Don, it was me...
If you leave the thermostat installed, it will work "against" your flapper
setting - and your different flapper setting will hardly indicate any temp
difference at the water temp indicator.
When you open the flapper, the thermostat closing - trying to keep the
temp at it's setting and vice versa.
Make a test run on the ground to see that you can get the temp to the
green (warm enough for take off), then open it to see the cooling effect
take place. Remember the response is "somewhat" slow, but when you'll get
used to it, I'm sure you'll like it.
Every "season" has it's settings, -I try to keep my engine at approx. 160
deg. F (60 deg C).
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hei Michel,
Gratulerer med foerste flygning med nymotoren!
Means something like; Congratulations with the "maiden" flight -with the
new engine..
cheers
Torgeir.
(Been away for sometime, yup - the cold North).
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:35:08 +0100, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> I went flying with the inspector today, here is the report:
> OAT: -6C, QNH: 1029. Climb: 1,300 fpm at 70 MPH.
> CHT: under 120C. Oil temp: under 70C.
> Max RPM: 3,000. Max speed: ... over the red line!
>
> The plane behaves very well, the inspector was extremely pleased in all
> aspects, stall, etc. The engine runs perfectly, within the margins of
> operation. I have only one problem:
> The agent says that I shouldn't "nurse" my engine (the user's manual
> says the
> same). It means that for the first 50 hours, I have to keep the RPM over
> 2,700.
> Impossible! At 2,200 I am already at 80 MPH and If I give more throttle,
> I come
> very quickly to 100 MPH, which is my Vne.
> Hum, how do you make you Kitfox more draggy for the first 50 hours? :-)
>
> Conclusion: The Jabiru seems a very good engine and I am very pleased.
> Lots of
> power and a good feeling of a smooth engine. Only two problems:
> 1) I have some radio noise. People hear me without problem but I hear
> them with
> a background noise. Will check that. Maybe the plugs.
> 2) I have a leak in the right hand wing tank purge valve. See my next
> email.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Is there some reason that putting the bearing on is a problem? If I recall
it was quite simple. Without the bearing you're counting on that inside
hinge to support the end of the flaperon where the most bending motion
occurs when you torque the aileron. Don't know about the rest of you guys
with long span IV wings but mine takes pretty significant stick force in
roll. Unless there's a good reason not too, I'd personally put it on.
Regards,
Ted
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:44:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
Thanks for the info, Don. I got another "no bearing" reply off-list, so
of the two inputs, it looks like a "go" for no bearings. Guess I'll
make it number three for no bearings.
As an aside, are a lot of builders/fliers reluctant to answer some of
these technical questions, for fear that "big brother" might be reading
I think your particular question on the bearing has no 100% clear
answer. The IV uses the bearing by design....However, I "SEEM" to remember
reports
that the IV will operate fine without it. Mine does (as best I can tell).
On the other hand, you are the builder and have to weigh heavily what
advise
you get from this list. You might get 5 completely different opinions on
the
same subject, worse than that, they might all be wrong.
Having said that, what turtledeck are you using the SS provided or the
full Lexan? Couldn't quite determine that from your post. As I said, I
have
a homemade fiberglass turtle deck that is one piece and formed to fit.
Where
the flapperon tube passes through the fiberglass, it is a slip fit and
almost acts as a steady bearing.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:09:22 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Thomas Johnston" <THOMASLJOHNSTON@msn.com>
Doubt if I can make it this year but keep me posted anyway. Maybe I can do it next
year or something like it.
Tom
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From: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com<mailto:SOURDOSTAN@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> ; wa8plj@arrl.net<mailto:wa8plj@arrl.net> ; terryblack274tb@yahoo.com<mailto:terryblack274tb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com<mailto:SOURDOSTAN@aol.com>
This is the first in a series of notices about a trip Robert Oliver and I are
putting together to hopefully fly our Kitfoxes to Alaska this June. We plan
to leave around the second weekend of June from the west coast and go north via
the Trench in British Columbia to Watson Lake, up to Dawson City, then a
jaunt along the Yukon River to Bettles, then back on the river again to possibly
Nome (weather permitting) and then down to Anchorage. The trip home would
depend on a number of factors, to be decided later. We would stop at a couple
of
hot springs on the way and make a stop in Bettles just to say we were above the
Arctic Circle. The trip would take three to four weeks, depending on where
folks were coming from and the weather, of course. We will be camping many
nights and staying in lodges and motels other nights. We may even find a friendly
hangar to stay in.
A few considerations for you to think about before you decide to go: 1) are
you proficient in short field landings and otherwise very experienced in your
aircraft, 2) are you comfortable with tricky weather conditions, 3) will you
be
able to get away for 3-4 weeks, 4) are you comfortable flying over adverse
terrain (many times without roads below), and 5) are you and your aircraft up
to
flying a hundred or so hours in 3-4 weeks.
Robert has flown his Kitfox to Alaska twice, once in 2001 and then again in
2002 on John King's trip. I lived and flew in Alaska for six years in the 70's,
at which time I flew a C-172 from Seattle up the Trench to Anchorage, and
then I was part of John's trip in 2002 in my Kitfox. Let me know if you are
interested and we will keep you informed and answer any of your questions.
Stan Specht
N16KC "Columbine"
Kitfox Model IV Speedster 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Gratulerer med foerste flygning med nymotoren!
Takk skal du ha, Torgeir. Now that I have an engine that can run for 2,000
hours, you might see me coming to Tromsoe, one day!
I talked yesterday to Paul Garstad, at Sola, and he said that Morten Lura
(LN-LMA) was flying his Kitfox with Jabiru with as little as 4.5 liter per
hour! Of course, I can't do that for the first 50 hours of my engine because of
the need for high RPM to avoid glazing the cylinders but ... 4.5 liter per hour
... that's cheap flying!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
Steve, thanks for the advice. I going to try and go the LSA route so I'll only
have a 10 hour Phase I. I'm not going to be able to get the Repairman's
certificate anyways since the Kitfox was nearly complete when I bought it.
Glenn, have you flown that beautiful Kitfox II of yours yet?
... Bill Cloughley
Kitfox I (#19)
Severna Park, Maryland
>> If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour phase
I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City FAA and
ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his name)
either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for LSA
registration. ... If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can get a Repairman's
certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work. As LSA you
will need to go to a school. .... Steve Cooper
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Steve, thanks for the
advice. I going to try and go the LSA route so I'll only
have a 10 hour Phase
I. I'm not <SPAN
class=628081620-21022005>going to be able to get the Repairman's
certificate anyways since
the Kitfox was
nearly complete when I bought it.
Glenn, have you flown that
beautiful Kitfox II of yours yet?
... Bill
Cloughley
Kitfox I
(#19)
Severna Park,
Maryland
If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour
phase
I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City
FAA and
ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his
name)
either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for
LSA
registration. ...
If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can get a
Repairman's
certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work.
As LSA you
will need to go to a school.<SPAN
class=628081620-21022005> .... Steve
Cooper
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:29:27 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Michel.
How much does fuel cost there?
I had a student from Ireland once. He was horrified to see me drain the sumps,
check the fuel, then throw it out instead of putting it back in the tank. I
forget how much he paid there, but it was astronomical compared to the $1.58/gal
we were paying then.
Dave S.
Do not archive
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From: Michel Verheughe<mailto:michel@online.no>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no<mailto:michel@online.no>>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Gratulerer med foerste flygning med nymotoren!
Takk skal du ha, Torgeir. Now that I have an engine that can run for 2,000
hours, you might see me coming to Tromsoe, one day!
I talked yesterday to Paul Garstad, at Sola, and he said that Morten Lura
(LN-LMA) was flying his Kitfox with Jabiru with as little as 4.5 liter per
hour! Of course, I can't do that for the first 50 hours of my engine because
of
the need for high RPM to avoid glazing the cylinders but ... 4.5 liter per hour
... that's cheap flying!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I will be using the full Lexan. The turtledeck that came with my plane
was built by one of the former owners and is a little less than good
workmanship, and some of the aluminum is corroded, so I opted to go
with Lexan. In imagining your fiberglass t'deck, you must not be able
to fold your wings, right? I'm assuming this because of the "tube
passes through" comment.
Lynn
On Monday, February 21, 2005, at 12:58 PM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:44:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
>
> Thanks for the info, Don. I got another "no bearing" reply off-list,
> so
> of the two inputs, it looks like a "go" for no bearings. Guess I'll
> make it number three for no bearings.
> As an aside, are a lot of builders/fliers reluctant to answer some of
> these technical questions, for fear that "big brother" might be
> reading
>
>
> I think your particular question on the bearing has no 100% clear
> answer. The IV uses the bearing by design....However, I "SEEM" to
> remember reports
> that the IV will operate fine without it. Mine does (as best I can
> tell).
> On the other hand, you are the builder and have to weigh heavily what
> advise
> you get from this list. You might get 5 completely different
> opinions on the
> same subject, worse than that, they might all be wrong.
> Having said that, what turtledeck are you using the SS provided
> or the
> full Lexan? Couldn't quite determine that from your post. As I
> said, I have
> a homemade fiberglass turtle deck that is one piece and formed to
> fit. Where
> the flapperon tube passes through the fiberglass, it is a slip fit and
> almost acts as a steady bearing.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | the cost of fuel and happiness WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
David Savener wrote:
> How much does fuel cost there?
In Norway, a litre of unlead gas costs about US$ 1.40 (US$ 5.3 per US gallon),
David. The funny thing is that Norway is a large oil producer with lots of
offshore platforms in the North Sea. About 80% of the price of the gas, at the
station, goes in taxes. So, when there is say, a crisis in the Middle East, the
Norwegian state cashes in much money for the price of the barrel of raw oil,
then cashes even more as the price at the gas station goes up.
But from the raw oil we export, we only use about 4% of its income in our
national budget. the rest is put in a big huge international fund. Why? because
if we were to use more than that, the value of the Norwegian Crown would
devaluate at about the same rate. That's the complex mechanism of international
finance and the stock exchange.
So, is that natural resource (oil and natural gas) we have in the North Sea a
blessing or a curse? Well, both. It created a lot of employment and a unique
technology. We are best at deep sea oil drilling. But it also made us lazy.
Maybe not as lazy as the Saudi Arabians but ...
There was a cover story in Time Magazine, a few weeks ago, asking if happiness
is in our genes?
The answer is: Yes. But the bad news is: it is not meant to last. If you have a
life-long satisfaction of something good, you won't seek it again. Those who
survived are those who are always seeking more. The bottom line is: Being rich
is not happiness. It is becoming rich that is.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
You're right,Ted, it is a simple enough job, but I got to doing the job
and about halfway through installing the hinge on one side, I recalled
that of the two planes I looked at and photographed this summer, one
had the bearing installed (SS turtledeck), and the other did not
(aftermarket Lexan t'deck). That got me to thinking about whether or
not to go with the Lexan deck, and that got me to thinking about
holding off on the bearing job until I made up my mind about the deck.
So I'm still in the "wishy-washy" stage of this decision.
Lynn
On Monday, February 21, 2005, at 02:29 PM, Flier wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Is there some reason that putting the bearing on is a problem? If I
> recall
> it was quite simple. Without the bearing you're counting on that
> inside
> hinge to support the end of the flaperon where the most bending motion
> occurs when you torque the aileron. Don't know about the rest of you
> guys
> with long span IV wings but mine takes pretty significant stick force
> in
> roll. Unless there's a good reason not too, I'd personally put it on.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:44:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
>
> Thanks for the info, Don. I got another "no bearing" reply off-list,
> so
> of the two inputs, it looks like a "go" for no bearings. Guess I'll
> make it number three for no bearings.
> As an aside, are a lot of builders/fliers reluctant to answer some of
> these technical questions, for fear that "big brother" might be
> reading
>
>
> I think your particular question on the bearing has no 100% clear
> answer. The IV uses the bearing by design....However, I "SEEM" to
> remember
> reports
> that the IV will operate fine without it. Mine does (as best I can
> tell).
> On the other hand, you are the builder and have to weigh heavily what
> advise
> you get from this list. You might get 5 completely different
> opinions on
> the
> same subject, worse than that, they might all be wrong.
> Having said that, what turtledeck are you using the SS provided
> or the
> full Lexan? Couldn't quite determine that from your post. As I
> said, I
> have
> a homemade fiberglass turtle deck that is one piece and formed to fit.
> Where
> the flapperon tube passes through the fiberglass, it is a slip fit and
> almost acts as a steady bearing.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
See below.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:14:56 +0100, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>> Gratulerer med foerste flygning med nymotoren!
>
> Takk skal du ha, Torgeir. Now that I have an engine that can run for
> 2,000
> hours, you might see me coming to Tromsoe, one day!
You are most Welcome to Tromsoe!
> I talked yesterday to Paul Garstad, at Sola, and he said that Morten Lura
> (LN-LMA) was flying his Kitfox with Jabiru with as little as 4.5 liter
> per
> hour!
Outstanding! What kind of airspeed and weight??
This must be a model II, :) :) Yes, yes, I've got a model II. :)
Of course, I can't do that for the first 50 hours of my engine
> because of
Yep, I've learned that you have a speed monster - to be tamed..
> the need for high RPM to avoid glazing the cylinders but ... 4.5 liter
> per hour
> ... that's cheap flying!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
Cheers
Torgeir.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Gotcha Lynn. Personally, I default to the designer
unless there's a significant reason to do
otherwise.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>You're right,Ted, it is a simple enough job, but I
got to doing the job
>and about halfway through installing the hinge on
one side, I recalled
>that of the two planes I looked at and photographed
this summer, one
>had the bearing installed (SS turtledeck), and the
other did not
>(aftermarket Lexan t'deck). That got me to thinking
about whether or
>not to go with the Lexan deck, and that got me to
thinking about
>holding off on the bearing job until I made up my
mind about the deck.
>So I'm still in the "wishy-washy" stage of this
decision.
>
>Lynn
>
>On Monday, February 21, 2005, at 02:29 PM, Flier
wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier"
<flier@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Is there some reason that putting the bearing on
is a problem? If I
>> recall
>> it was quite simple. Without the bearing you're
counting on that
>> inside
>> hinge to support the end of the flaperon where the
most bending motion
>> occurs when you torque the aileron. Don't know
about the rest of you
>> guys
>> with long span IV wings but mine takes pretty
significant stick force
>> in
>> roll. Unless there's a good reason not too, I'd
personally put it on.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of
>> AlbertaIV@aol.com
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on
IV
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
AlbertaIV@aol.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:44:00 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
>> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info, Don. I got another "no
bearing" reply off-list,
>> so
>> of the two inputs, it looks like a "go" for no
bearings. Guess I'll
>> make it number three for no bearings.
>> As an aside, are a lot of builders/fliers
reluctant to answer some of
>> these technical questions, for fear that "big
brother" might be
>> reading
>>
>>
>> I think your particular question on the
bearing has no 100% clear
>> answer. The IV uses the bearing by
design....However, I "SEEM" to
>> remember
>> reports
>> that the IV will operate fine without it. Mine
does (as best I can
>> tell).
>> On the other hand, you are the builder and have
to weigh heavily what
>> advise
>> you get from this list. You might get 5
completely different
>> opinions on
>> the
>> same subject, worse than that, they might all be
wrong.
>> Having said that, what turtledeck are you
using the SS provided
>> or the
>> full Lexan? Couldn't quite determine that from
your post. As I
>> said, I
>> have
>> a homemade fiberglass turtle deck that is one
piece and formed to fit.
>> Where
>> the flapperon tube passes through the fiberglass,
it is a slip fit and
>> almost acts as a steady bearing.
>>
>> Don Smythe
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Thanks Roger,
It's helps a lots.
----- Original Message -----
From: <r.thomas@za.pwc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
> Hi Glenn
>
> I have a KFII with grey head 582. I have just repitched the prop to obtain
> around 6200 static.
>
> When I recently did a rebuild on the 582, I found that the previous owner
> had removed the thermostat altogether. Engine does reach it's desired
> temperature (50C I think) before full power is applied. Normally reaches
> that temp by the end of taxi.
>
> In flight the water temps are stable at about 10 below the maximum - it
> rarely moves. My radiator hangs out in the breeze just in front of the
> undercarriage, with no cowls or fairings.
>
> Hope that helps some.
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
> "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 19/02/2005 04:47 AM
>
> Please respond to
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> To
> <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> cc
>
> Subject
> Kitfox-List: Model II 582
>
>
> Size: 5 Kb
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
>
> Glenn Horne here.
> I need to know what size thermostat some of you 582 drivers are using.
> I have been told the 135* should be used and not the 165*. Any of you
> using
> the small radiator without any flaps,doors,covers or what have you and
> the engine runs fine? I have a Model II that just got the air worthy
> certificate and afraid to
> fly it because of the d-- engine. Some say 135* some say 165*. Static
> turns at full throttle
> is 6850. Exhaust gas 1150. Static rpm I was told by a power parachute
> driver should be around
> 6200/6300.
> Some of you experts 582 drivers jump in here and tell me what I need
> to do. I'm like the guy with the Model 7 and no engine. Feel like selling
> it.
> All help appreciated.
> Glenn Horne-Suffolk, Va-Model II 582
>
>
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
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> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
No Bill,
Haven't flown it yet. Working on getting the rpm down to 6200/6300 (static.)
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
>
> Steve, thanks for the advice. I going to try and go the LSA route so I'll
> only
> have a 10 hour Phase I. I'm not going to be able to get the Repairman's
> certificate anyways since the Kitfox was nearly complete when I bought it.
>
> Glenn, have you flown that beautiful Kitfox II of yours yet?
>
> .. Bill Cloughley
> Kitfox I (#19)
> Severna Park, Maryland
>
>
>>> If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour
>>> phase
> I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City FAA
> and
> ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his name)
> either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for LSA
> registration. ... If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can
> get a Repairman's
> certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work. As LSA you
> will need to go to a school. .... Steve Cooper
>
>
> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=GENERATOR>
>
> Steve, thanks for the
> advice. I going to try and go the LSA route so I'll only
>
> have a 10 hour Phase
> I. I'm not <SPAN
> class=628081620-21022005>going to be able to get the Repairman's
>
> certificate anyways since
> the Kitfox was
> nearly complete when I bought it.
>
> Glenn, have you flown that
> beautiful Kitfox II of yours yet?
>
> .. Bill
> Cloughley
> Kitfox I
> (#19)
> Severna Park,
> Maryland
>
>
> If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour
> phase
> I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City
> FAA and
> ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his
> name)
> either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for
> LSA
> registration. ...
> If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can get a
> Repairman's
> certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work.
> As LSA you
> will need to go to a school.<SPAN
> class=628081620-21022005> .... Steve
> Cooper
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Outstanding! What kind of airspeed and weight??
I don't know, Torgeir, I haven't got the details. I suppose it was slow but
keeping altitude.
> This must be a model II, :) :) Yes, yes, I've got a model II. :)
No, Morten has a model IV. Here is a photo of his plane I took last summer at Fyresdal:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Front.jpg
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Tom & Michel,
Thanks for the confidence.
This is some time ago, and I'll think Guy & Michel answered this one.
The "inch" method will be "in solid" and no slippage, as slippage is very
difficult to predict due to difference in "cord twist", shape, foil type
and surface finish (the efficient of the propeller).
Here is a link to some stuff about propellers (EAA site):
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/The%20Fixed%20Pitch%20Propellor%20Dillemma.html
(Make sure that all of the above is included in the link.)
While on the subject, did you folks know that there is one "very old" and
famous "propeller maker" - still making propellers, -founded in the 18 Th.
century.. 30 yr. before the Wrights brothers.
Think this is the oldest out there in aviation, -and still strong...
Yes, this is Hartzell, see it here:
http://www.hartzellprop.com/index2.htm
OK., here is Sensenich as well:
http://www.sensenich.com/
Well, why not all three of them:
http://www.mccauley.textron.com/home.html
Torgeir.
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:56:10 -0800, Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
>
> Michael,
> We need to get Togier to explain propeller pitch/angle. He seems to be
> good at that sort of number crunching. I am guessing the
> relationship depends on the shape of the entire prop and would be
> extremely difficult to calculate by hand. As you probably know pitch in
> inches is the length of the cylinder of air that the propeller moves
> from in front to in back of the blades in one revolution. Adjustable
> pitch propeller people use degrees because that can be easily measured.
>
> For what it is worth, the GSC propeller adjusting table lists a 57 to 60
> inch diameter 2 or 3 blade GSC propeller to be at 38 inches of pitch
> when the angle at 75% blade length is 15 degrees. Again I would caution
> that there is no way to compare your propeller to these numbers.
>
> Now, if you would like to know the pitch in inches for a certain degree
> of pitch at 75% blade length for most any GSC propeller, I can look that
> up on my chart.
> Tom Jones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Cooling and Radiator Location. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Here is a good site about engine cooling from the "real ol" days for
propeller driven aircraft.
This one is written by Hans Mayer and take us back to the pioneer time,
however, this learning is still as valid today... All this thing is the
base for all our modern flying. :)
Read about how they learned the hard way, this one is - almost a must (
:) );
Here is article no. 1;
http://www.bewersdorff.com/wankel/radiator/CoolingSystems1.html
And here is number two;
http://www.bewersdorff.com/wankel/radiator/CoolingSystems2.html
Enjoy,
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/21/2005 4:18:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
I will be using the full Lexan. The turtledeck that came with my plane
was built by one of the former owners and is a little less than good
workmanship, and some of the aluminum is corroded, so I opted to go
with Lexan. In imagining your fiberglass t'deck, you must not be able
to fold your wings, right? I'm assuming this because of the "tube
passes through" comment.
NO, NO, my turtledeck is built just like the solid lexan (I would assume,
since I've never seen one). My turtledeck is attached to the fuselage with 9
screws. It comes off in about 1 minute. My deck lays into position and the
slot goes over the flapperon tube.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor W. Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Bill. I believe you can still get the repairman's certificate if:
51% or more of the work on the plane was accomplished by homebuilders
over any time frame and you can convince the FAA inspector you know your
way around the airplane and have the skills to maintain it properly.
In my very humble opinion the 10 vs the 40 hours is a moot point and I
would rather have to fly the aircraft for a longer period of time before
carrying passengers.
Above info was rendered by EAA to my question about two years ago.
Good luck whichever way you go.
Vic
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cloughley,
Bill
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill"
<BCloughl@ciena.com>
Steve, thanks for the advice. I going to try and go the LSA route so
I'll only
have a 10 hour Phase I. I'm not going to be able to get the
Repairman's
certificate anyways since the Kitfox was nearly complete when I bought
it.
Glenn, have you flown that beautiful Kitfox II of yours yet?
... Bill Cloughley
Kitfox I (#19)
Severna Park, Maryland
>> If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour
phase
I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City FAA
and
ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his name)
either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for
LSA
registration. ... If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can
get a Repairman's
certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work. As LSA
you
will need to go to a school. .... Steve Cooper
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=GENERATOR>
Steve, thanks for the
advice. I going to try and go the LSA route so I'll only
have a 10 hour Phase
I. I'm not <SPAN
class=628081620-21022005>going to be able to get the Repairman's
certificate anyways since
the Kitfox was
nearly complete when I bought it.
Glenn, have you flown that
beautiful Kitfox II of yours yet?
... Bill
Cloughley
Kitfox I
(#19)
Severna Park,
Maryland
If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour
phase
I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City
FAA and
ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his
name)
either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for
LSA
registration. ...
If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can get a
Repairman's
certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work.
As LSA you
will need to go to a school.<SPAN
class=628081620-21022005> .... Steve
Cooper
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| Subject: | Re: the cost of fuel and happiness WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:31:00 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Then I'm all for getting happy and rich!!!
That is an expensive gallon of gas. Thanks for the explanation.
You have a beautiful country!!!!!
Dave S.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Verheughe<mailto:michel@online.no>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: the cost of fuel and happiness WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no<mailto:michel@online.no>>
David Savener wrote:
> How much does fuel cost there?
In Norway, a litre of unlead gas costs about US$ 1.40 (US$ 5.3 per US gallon),
David. The funny thing is that Norway is a large oil producer with lots of
offshore platforms in the North Sea. About 80% of the price of the gas, at the
station, goes in taxes. So, when there is say, a crisis in the Middle East, the
Norwegian state cashes in much money for the price of the barrel of raw oil,
then cashes even more as the price at the gas station goes up.
But from the raw oil we export, we only use about 4% of its income in our
national budget. the rest is put in a big huge international fund. Why? because
if we were to use more than that, the value of the Norwegian Crown would
devaluate at about the same rate. That's the complex mechanism of international
finance and the stock exchange.
So, is that natural resource (oil and natural gas) we have in the North Sea a
blessing or a curse? Well, both. It created a lot of employment and a unique
technology. We are best at deep sea oil drilling. But it also made us lazy.
Maybe not as lazy as the Saudi Arabians but ...
There was a cover story in Time Magazine, a few weeks ago, asking if happiness
is in our genes?
The answer is: Yes. But the bad news is: it is not meant to last. If you have
a
life-long satisfaction of something good, you won't seek it again. Those who
survived are those who are always seeking more. The bottom line is: Being rich
is not happiness. It is becoming rich that is.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "chad lively" <chadl@compu.net>
Stan, I am very interested in a trip to Alaska in the Fox. I have made the
trip several times before in Cubs, 185, and 206, would be fun in the Fox,
also many years experience in Alaska flying for the State and 135. Keep me
informed of your plans. Chad
----- Original Message -----
From: <SOURDOSTAN@aol.com>
<terryblack274tb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
>
> This is the first in a series of notices about a trip Robert Oliver and I
are
> putting together to hopefully fly our Kitfoxes to Alaska this June. We
plan
> to leave around the second weekend of June from the west coast and go
north via
> the Trench in British Columbia to Watson Lake, up to Dawson City, then a
> jaunt along the Yukon River to Bettles, then back on the river again to
possibly
> Nome (weather permitting) and then down to Anchorage. The trip home would
> depend on a number of factors, to be decided later. We would stop at a
couple of
> hot springs on the way and make a stop in Bettles just to say we were
above the
> Arctic Circle. The trip would take three to four weeks, depending on
where
> folks were coming from and the weather, of course. We will be camping many
> nights and staying in lodges and motels other nights. We may even find a
friendly
> hangar to stay in.
>
> A few considerations for you to think about before you decide to go: 1)
are
> you proficient in short field landings and otherwise very experienced in
your
> aircraft, 2) are you comfortable with tricky weather conditions, 3) will
you be
> able to get away for 3-4 weeks, 4) are you comfortable flying over adverse
> terrain (many times without roads below), and 5) are you and your aircraft
up to
> flying a hundred or so hours in 3-4 weeks.
>
> Robert has flown his Kitfox to Alaska twice, once in 2001 and then again
in
> 2002 on John King's trip. I lived and flew in Alaska for six years in the
70's,
> at which time I flew a C-172 from Seattle up the Trench to Anchorage, and
> then I was part of John's trip in 2002 in my Kitfox. Let me know if you
are
> interested and we will keep you informed and answer any of your questions.
>
> Stan Specht
> N16KC "Columbine"
> Kitfox Model IV Speedster 912ul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "chad lively" <chadl@compu.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <SOURDOSTAN@aol.com>
<terryblack274tb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
>
> This is the first in a series of notices about a trip Robert Oliver and I
are
> putting together to hopefully fly our Kitfoxes to Alaska this June. We
plan
> to leave around the second weekend of June from the west coast and go
north via
> the Trench in British Columbia to Watson Lake, up to Dawson City, then a
> jaunt along the Yukon River to Bettles, then back on the river again to
possibly
> Nome (weather permitting) and then down to Anchorage. The trip home would
> depend on a number of factors, to be decided later. We would stop at a
couple of
> hot springs on the way and make a stop in Bettles just to say we were
above the
> Arctic Circle. The trip would take three to four weeks, depending on
where
> folks were coming from and the weather, of course. We will be camping many
> nights and staying in lodges and motels other nights. We may even find a
friendly
> hangar to stay in.
>
> A few considerations for you to think about before you decide to go: 1)
are
> you proficient in short field landings and otherwise very experienced in
your
> aircraft, 2) are you comfortable with tricky weather conditions, 3) will
you be
> able to get away for 3-4 weeks, 4) are you comfortable flying over adverse
> terrain (many times without roads below), and 5) are you and your aircraft
up to
> flying a hundred or so hours in 3-4 weeks.
>
> Robert has flown his Kitfox to Alaska twice, once in 2001 and then again
in
> 2002 on John King's trip. I lived and flew in Alaska for six years in the
70's,
> at which time I flew a C-172 from Seattle up the Trench to Anchorage, and
> then I was part of John's trip in 2002 in my Kitfox. Let me know if you
are
> interested and we will keep you informed and answer any of your questions.
>
> Stan Specht
> N16KC "Columbine"
> Kitfox Model IV Speedster 912ul
>
>
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| Subject: | flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Can you tell me what thickness the lexan is. Is it much heavier than
the aluminium deck?
Thanks Allan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/21/2005 4:18:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
I will be using the full Lexan. The turtledeck that came with my plane
was built by one of the former owners and is a little less than good
workmanship, and some of the aluminum is corroded, so I opted to go
with Lexan. In imagining your fiberglass t'deck, you must not be able
to fold your wings, right? I'm assuming this because of the "tube
passes through" comment.
NO, NO, my turtledeck is built just like the solid lexan (I would
assume,
since I've never seen one). My turtledeck is attached to the fuselage
with 9
screws. It comes off in about 1 minute. My deck lays into position
and the
slot goes over the flapperon tube.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I'm not going to be able to get the Repairman's
certificate anyways since the Kitfox was nearly complete when I bought it.
Glenn, have you flown that beautiful Kitfox II of yours yet?
... Bill Cloughley
Kitfox I (#19)
Severna Park, Maryland
Bill,
If you want the Repairman's Cert., I bet you can get it. If you finished
the plane and can convince the DAR that you know how everything on it works,
the odds are good that you can get the repairman's Certificate.
I know people who have bought nearly complete planes and finished them up
and have gotten the Repairman's cert.
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I've been told it is .118".....not sure of the weight, because I don't
have it yet. I weighed my SS deck and it is between 4 and 4- 1/2 lbs. I
wasn't thinking of the weight so much as trying to avoid all the work
I'd have to do to salvage the deck that came with my plane.
Lynn
On Monday, February 21, 2005, at 08:15 PM, Allan Aaron wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
>
> Can you tell me what thickness the lexan is. Is it much heavier than
> the aluminium deck?
> Thanks Allan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/21/2005 4:18:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
>
> I will be using the full Lexan. The turtledeck that came with my plane
> was built by one of the former owners and is a little less than good
> workmanship, and some of the aluminum is corroded, so I opted to go
> with Lexan. In imagining your fiberglass t'deck, you must not be able
> to fold your wings, right? I'm assuming this because of the "tube
> passes through" comment.
>
>
> NO, NO, my turtledeck is built just like the solid lexan (I would
> assume,
> since I've never seen one). My turtledeck is attached to the fuselage
> with 9
> screws. It comes off in about 1 minute. My deck lays into position
> and the
> slot goes over the flapperon tube.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
Tom-
Will keep you posted on the Alaska trip.
Stan
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