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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Torgeir Mortensen)
2. 03:12 AM - Re: SV: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Jose M. Toro)
3. 03:39 AM - SV: SV: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:47 AM - SV: SV: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Michel Verheughe)
5. 03:49 AM - SV: Re: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Michel Verheughe)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: NSI CAP (Peter Graichen)
7. 05:36 AM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Fox5flyer)
8. 06:01 AM - Re: NSI CAP (John Larsen)
9. 07:27 AM - Re: NSI CAP (Fox5flyer)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Lynn Matteson)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Fox5flyer)
12. 10:06 AM - Eastern Maine (David Dawe)
13. 10:07 AM - Re: SV: SV: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Guy Buchanan)
14. 11:12 AM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (Lynn Matteson)
15. 05:53 PM - Re: The engine chang is a big success!!! (dwight purdy)
16. 07:03 PM - Re: 912 Muffler, The engine chang is a big success!!! (david yeamans)
17. 07:04 PM - Re: NSI CAP (Jerry Liles)
18. 07:22 PM - Re: Exterior LED lights. (cjswa)
19. 07:33 PM - header tank wanted (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Well, I was thinking about another ?propeller site?. This one, was the same link
as last time ?but still valid. :-)
I?m assuming that you might have some additional question. Why is our geometric
pitch angle around twice of the angles from Morten?s propeller test?
Well, remember, -the effect of the profile is not counted for in our model.
This is why it?s kind of difficult to compare physical pitch angle to ?inch pitch?.
To get a better idea about this, just think about the lift made by a flat (profile-less)
wing against the profiled (presuming same effective wing area). You'll
see the "large" difference.
Cheers,
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Torgeir:
Do you have a Jab 2200 on your KF 2?
Jose
Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
Hi Michel,
Kind of strange this, but I'll think it's time to check your airspeed
indicator -there might be an error in here some place(?).
Let me explain; Morten, your friend with a model 4 have made some very
nice protocol (tables) of his experience with different types of
propellers.
(For those interested, here is a direct link to this table:
http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm )
With reference to this table, the speed you experienced did not match very
well with Mortens test.
The model 4 is quite "cleaner" than a model III (and model II as I have).
The drag created by our undercambered "high lift profile" (model I, II and
III) is a lot higher than the newer profile wing has.
Try a two way path with your GPS, the two way is better (easier) to
handle, do this test in calm air to verify your AS indicator. I've yet to
see an airspeed indicator without error. When my original AS indicator
show redline, the actual speed is only 87 Mph. Quit a difference, isnt
it? Also, we do not often check our speed at the red line, do we ? Also
my indicator is fairly good at speeds below 80 Mph.
Then about the recommendation from Jabiru. As you cant get the recommended
RPM, cause you overrun the red line, well to increase the RPM you'll need
finer pitch, right?
We'll need to solve our RPM recommendation first-, so less pitch more RPM.
But first, make a good test to verify that your airspeed indicator is
right in the upper region, most important.
Of course, -here's another propeller reading, this time from the EAA site:
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/The%20Fixed%20Pitch%20Propellor%20Dillemma.html
In this site (just roll a little down), You'll find a the practical thing
we would like to know when selecting a propeller.
Also, have a look at the "propeller estimator", in figure 3, a graph. with
the relation of "RPM - SPEED - PITCH", this assuming no slippage. Try your
number into this table, -amazing isn't it?
(Use your read line 100 Mph as anchor point, let a straight line be
anchored in this point. As you rotate the line, you'll find a rough
estimate for RPM / pitch relation.)
OK, let's make a quick calculation of your prop.: 60 X 38
We are using the formula: S=2*pi*r*0.75 I'll explain a little. The
circumference (a point located 75 percent out from the blade root) is
represented by: r*2 is the propeller diameter, we multiply with 0.75 to
find the "normal pitch" point.
This circumference line represent the hypotenuse for the triangular
calculation, we name it "S".
The withstanding cathetus (our pitch in inches), for our angle (say)
alpha, is our pitch in degrees.
We have, P=38" and our propeller diameter is 60". I.E. 2*r=60"
Using the formula for S; S=60*pi*0.75=60*3.14*0.75=141.47 (inches, the
hypotenuse)
Further, we find sin for "alpha"(our pitch angle):
Sin(alpha)=P/S=38/141.37=0.2688
The angle is then: lg sin "alpha"=0.2688 I.E. "alpha", our pitch angle is
15.59 deg ~ 15.6 deg.
This is the bare calculation without slip.
Hope this clear up.
Cheers
Torgeir.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:00:14 +0100, Michel Verheughe
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>> Here is a link to some stuff about propellers (EAA site):
>
> Thanks, Torgeir. A very interesting site. Yet, I am afraid I won't be
> able to
> convert directly pitch in inches to pitch in degrees.
> BTW, I checked what Jabiru Australia says and they recommend a 60 by 40
> prop
> for the Kitfox 3. Strange that I go over the red line with a 60 by 38,
> then. I
> don't know. Maybe I have to fly a bit more to understand my new plane and
> engine configuration.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> Oops....my mistake, Michel...
Fear not, dear Lynn, I am the living proof that making mistakes is not harmful!
:-)
Beside that, in my very elementary comprehension of props, it seems to make sense
that it is a certain pitch that gives the best speed. More or less pitch will
eventually lower the speed, both ways.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> >Thanks, Torgeir. A very interesting site. Yet, I am afraid I won't be able to
> >convert directly pitch in inches to pitch in degrees.
> Why is that?
Well, Guy, as far as I understand the link from Torgeir, propeller manufacturers
indicate the pitch in inches based on so many factors that a direct convertion
to the angle in degrees one can read with an instrument on a pitch adjustable
prop, wouldn't be accurate nor fair.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> I?m assuming that you might have some additional question.
I most probably will have, Torgeir. But I have first to read everything you wrote.
Thanks for all the info, I'll come back to you.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI CAP
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
I had a chance to buy one of these for $800.00 and decided against it. I
called NSI several times a day for a week and got not answer and not reply
to messages left. I do not want an orphaned produce and it is not looking
like there will be any service from these guys.
Giovanni Day
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I don't understand why you could not get thru on the phone. I talk to them
about once or twice a month and it never takes longer than about five
minutes to get Heather, Dawn, Craig or Lance.
Peter K. Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
To Lynn, et al. I have some photos of the flaperon bearing assembly on the
S5 ready to send out. They're taken from the SS manual so I hesitate to
post them publicly on Sportflight, but I'll send them via private attachment
if anyone is interested. It's a bother this way, but I doubt I'd get an
answer from SS if I asked for their permission to post them on the web.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Are there any pictures of this 5 method available? Not that I couldn't
> "imagineer" it, but it would help to see how it was done.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Fox5flyer wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > ...snip
> >> the shoulder harness should go. Now I'm thinking that they too, might
> >> have come up with a better bearing idea. While we're on the subject of
> >> that bearing, it does seem like a rather flimsy bearing....only a 1/8"
> >> bearing surface, and mounted like it is, with camlocs being the
> >> fastening method for the t'deck, hence for the upper half of the
> >> bearing, well, I'm only a seat-of-the-pants "engineer" but sounds like
> >> you've got a better idea.
> >> Lynn
> >
> > Those building the IV might have a look at the method used in the 5.
> > My
> > bearing block is about 5/8" nylon and is one piece. Very strong.
> > Deke
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Peter when are you going to get off of it? The last time I checked,
there were 17 unsatisfied lawsuits filed against Lance Wheeler, Lance &
Patricia, NSI, and various other business names Lance has used over the
years. I hear the number is now over 30. Last time I checked the local
Better Business Bureau gave Lance and NSI their worst possible rating
because they would not satisfy customer complaints. Usually took the
money and did not deliver the goods. It appears he has taken care of a
few high profile and list prominent people like you as you keep heaping
on the praise. Others do not fare very well.
JML
Peter Graichen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI CAP
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
>I had a chance to buy one of these for $800.00 and decided against it. I
>called NSI several times a day for a week and got not answer and not reply
>to messages left. I do not want an orphaned produce and it is not looking
>like there will be any service from these guys.
>
>Giovanni Day
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>I don't understand why you could not get thru on the phone. I talk to them
>about once or twice a month and it never takes longer than about five
>minutes to get Heather, Dawn, Craig or Lance.
>Peter K. Graichen
>http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Here we go again!
First I'm speaking as List Manager. Attacking Peter and implying some sort
of conspiracy is insulting to his integrity and credibility and has no place
on this list. Zero. It's clearly spelled out in the rules and if you have
a problem with Peter, take it to him privately. To the rest of the List,
c'mon folks, let's not get going down that road again. It just gets people
upset, has no productive value, and wastes a ton of time.
Now, I'm speaking as a List member. John, as a business man you surprise
me! I always thought that it was a no-no for a business to slam the
competition. I'm a long time and very satisfied NSI owner and like Peter
I've never had a problem with them. Outstanding product and great
service--always. You haven't missed many opportunities to "put the boot
in" with NSI and I suspect it's personal. When disgruntled Skystar
customers complain on this List, the defenders of Skystar jump in to reap
praise and try to stop the piling on. Nothing wrong with that. If we all
took as gospel what we "hear" on the internet we'd never be able to make a
decision on any product.
Deke
>
> Peter when are you going to get off of it? The last time I checked,
> there were 17 unsatisfied lawsuits filed against Lance Wheeler, Lance &
> Patricia, NSI, and various other business names Lance has used over the
> years. I hear the number is now over 30. Last time I checked the local
> Better Business Bureau gave Lance and NSI their worst possible rating
> because they would not satisfy customer complaints. Usually took the
> money and did not deliver the goods. It appears he has taken care of a
> few high profile and list prominent people like you as you keep heaping
> on the praise. Others do not fare very well.
> JML
>
> Peter Graichen wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI CAP
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >I had a chance to buy one of these for $800.00 and decided against it. I
> >called NSI several times a day for a week and got not answer and not
reply
> >to messages left. I do not want an orphaned produce and it is not looking
> >like there will be any service from these guys.
> >
> >Giovanni Day
> >
> >Do Not Archive
> >
> >I don't understand why you could not get thru on the phone. I talk to
them
> >about once or twice a month and it never takes longer than about five
> >minutes to get Heather, Dawn, Craig or Lance.
> >Peter K. Graichen
> >http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sign me up as interested, Deke.
Lynn
On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 08:33 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> To Lynn, et al. I have some photos of the flaperon bearing assembly
> on the
> S5 ready to send out. They're taken from the SS manual so I hesitate
> to
> post them publicly on Sportflight, but I'll send them via private
> attachment
> if anyone is interested. It's a bother this way, but I doubt I'd get
> an
> answer from SS if I asked for their permission to post them on the web.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Are there any pictures of this 5 method available? Not that I couldn't
>> "imagineer" it, but it would help to see how it was done.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Fox5flyer wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>>> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>>
>>> ...snip
>>>> the shoulder harness should go. Now I'm thinking that they too,
>>>> might
>>>> have come up with a better bearing idea. While we're on the subject
>>>> of
>>>> that bearing, it does seem like a rather flimsy bearing....only a
>>>> 1/8"
>>>> bearing surface, and mounted like it is, with camlocs being the
>>>> fastening method for the t'deck, hence for the upper half of the
>>>> bearing, well, I'm only a seat-of-the-pants "engineer" but sounds
>>>> like
>>>> you've got a better idea.
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Those building the IV might have a look at the method used in the 5.
>>> My
>>> bearing block is about 5/8" nylon and is one piece. Very strong.
>>> Deke
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Ok, here they come.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Sign me up as interested, Deke.
> Lynn
>
> On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 08:33 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > To Lynn, et al. I have some photos of the flaperon bearing assembly
> > on the
> > S5 ready to send out. They're taken from the SS manual so I hesitate
> > to
> > post them publicly on Sportflight, but I'll send them via private
> > attachment
> > if anyone is interested. It's a bother this way, but I doubt I'd get
> > an
> > answer from SS if I asked for their permission to post them on the web.
> > Deke
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>
> >> Are there any pictures of this 5 method available? Not that I couldn't
> >> "imagineer" it, but it would help to see how it was done.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >> do not archive
> >> On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> >>
> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> >>> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >>>
> >>> ...snip
> >>>> the shoulder harness should go. Now I'm thinking that they too,
> >>>> might
> >>>> have come up with a better bearing idea. While we're on the subject
> >>>> of
> >>>> that bearing, it does seem like a rather flimsy bearing....only a
> >>>> 1/8"
> >>>> bearing surface, and mounted like it is, with camlocs being the
> >>>> fastening method for the t'deck, hence for the upper half of the
> >>>> bearing, well, I'm only a seat-of-the-pants "engineer" but sounds
> >>>> like
> >>>> you've got a better idea.
> >>>> Lynn
> >>>
> >>> Those building the IV might have a look at the method used in the 5.
> >>> My
> >>> bearing block is about 5/8" nylon and is one piece. Very strong.
> >>> Deke
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
Clear DayAnyone on the list living near Canadian bolder?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 12:46 PM 2/25/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> > >Thanks, Torgeir. A very interesting site. Yet, I am afraid I won't be
> able to
> > >convert directly pitch in inches to pitch in degrees.
> > Why is that?
>
>Well, Guy, as far as I understand the link from Torgeir, propeller
>manufacturers indicate the pitch in inches based on so many factors that a
>direct convertion to the angle in degrees one can read with an instrument
>on a pitch adjustable prop, wouldn't be accurate nor fair.
That's true, but all those other factors are what we call "2nd order",
meaning they have a minor effect on the end result. Thus if you set you
prop angle to a certain pitch "inch" you will probably find you're too
slow, with too high an RPM, but not by much. Once you've static tested and
flown twice at two different pitches you'll have the problem solved and
will be able to interpolate any RPM you want.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks,Deke....I can see that the V method will not work as shown (for
me, anyway), as my horn is already in place on the flaperon. However,
if I were to build a thicker bearing like the V, I could split it
similar to the control tube nylon bearing. Is all this necessary, over
what is used on the IV? Probably not, but it's nice to see how the
original idea grew into what is shown in your photos.
Lynn
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On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Ok, here they come.
> Deke
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| Subject: | Re: The engine chang is a big success!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I swear by gap sealing the elevator, and using the flaperon trim.
Dwight model ll
At 09:14 PM 2/24/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
>Thanks list, for all the help.
>
>I have finished changing my 532 and B gearbox in my Model II for a 582
>with C gearbox. It is great.
>
>Dual ignition is great for confidence as is the oil injection.
>
>I had to set prop pitch at 18 degrees to get 6200 Static RPM. It leaps
>off the ground now. I am running a CPS clutch. It starts at the touch of
>the starter. Idles well at 2000 RPM although the rpm varies up and down
>250 RPM while it warms up.
>
>Coolant temp runs around 165 degrees. Seems just right. EGTs are running
>about 1075 at 5800 RPM in level flight. It flies about 83 mph at 5800
>rpm. Before the change it indicated about 70 mph at that rpm(prop was not
>pitched correctly).
>
>Here's the catch. At cruise airspeed I now have to hold left-forward
>stick. Quite a bit of left aileron to keep it from rolling right and it
>will climb quickly if I don't hold down elevator. Is this from the
>increased airspeed and additional power being delivered by a properly
>adjusted prop?? The ball seems to be centered.
>
>I re-weighed the airplane and my CG seems to be just right.
>
>I am considering my options as to re-rigging to get rid of the stick
>pressures at cruise. Any suggestions??
>
>Thanks
>Dave S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Muffler, The engine chang is a big success!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Dave , The 582 is an engine you will love. My Kitfox 4 / 1200 flew with a 582
for 240 trouble free hours,
never failed to start, performed beautifully, Only trouble I had at times,was losing
RPM's on takeoff, and
thanks to the list they helped solve the problem. The Problem was... to much pitch
in the prop, lowered
the pitch, and it was like a new airplane.
Now, like you, I've upgraded, to a 912 UL recently, It was an opportunnity,
price wise,I couldn't pass
up. However, the Muffler that came with it was from a different airplane, and doesn't
fit my Kitfox. So.....
I'm asking the List now, Is there anyone that has a complete Muffler set up for
a 912 to fit a 4 / 1200
Kitfox they would like to sell, I need one ASAP . I'll pay the shipping.
Sincerely, David
----- Original Message -----
From: dwight purdy
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The engine chang is a big success!!!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I swear by gap sealing the elevator, and using the flaperon trim.
Dwight model ll
At 09:14 PM 2/24/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
>Thanks list, for all the help.
>
>I have finished changing my 532 and B gearbox in my Model II for a 582
>with C gearbox. It is great.
>
>Dual ignition is great for confidence as is the oil injection.
>
>I had to set prop pitch at 18 degrees to get 6200 Static RPM. It leaps
>off the ground now. I am running a CPS clutch. It starts at the touch of
>the starter. Idles well at 2000 RPM although the rpm varies up and down
>250 RPM while it warms up.
>
>Coolant temp runs around 165 degrees. Seems just right. EGTs are running
>about 1075 at 5800 RPM in level flight. It flies about 83 mph at 5800
>rpm. Before the change it indicated about 70 mph at that rpm(prop was not
>pitched correctly).
>
>Here's the catch. At cruise airspeed I now have to hold left-forward
>stick. Quite a bit of left aileron to keep it from rolling right and it
>will climb quickly if I don't hold down elevator. Is this from the
>increased airspeed and additional power being delivered by a properly
>adjusted prop?? The ball seems to be centered.
>
>I re-weighed the airplane and my CG seems to be just right.
>
>I am considering my options as to re-rigging to get rid of the stick
>pressures at cruise. Any suggestions??
>
>Thanks
>Dave S
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Don't you think this should have been handled off line? While it seems
his message to Peter was not exactly tactful it seems you are attacking
Mr Larsen in the same manner you accuse him of attacking Peter. Finally
John Larsen is an honorable man with knowledge of the industry that very
few of us have and I'm very interested in his insight. My 2 cents.
I'll make any other posts or comments off line.
Jerry Liles
Fox5flyer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>Here we go again!
>First I'm speaking as List Manager. Attacking Peter and implying some sort
>of conspiracy is insulting to his integrity and credibility and has no place
>on this list. Zero. It's clearly spelled out in the rules and if you have
>a problem with Peter, take it to him privately. To the rest of the List,
>c'mon folks, let's not get going down that road again. It just gets people
>upset, has no productive value, and wastes a ton of time.
>
>Now, I'm speaking as a List member. John, as a business man you surprise
>me! I always thought that it was a no-no for a business to slam the
>competition. I'm a long time and very satisfied NSI owner and like Peter
>I've never had a problem with them. Outstanding product and great
>service--always. You haven't missed many opportunities to "put the boot
>in" with NSI and I suspect it's personal. When disgruntled Skystar
>customers complain on this List, the defenders of Skystar jump in to reap
>praise and try to stop the piling on. Nothing wrong with that. If we all
>took as gospel what we "hear" on the internet we'd never be able to make a
>decision on any product.
>Deke
>
>
>
>>Peter when are you going to get off of it? The last time I checked,
>>there were 17 unsatisfied lawsuits filed against Lance Wheeler, Lance &
>>Patricia, NSI, and various other business names Lance has used over the
>>years. I hear the number is now over 30. Last time I checked the local
>>Better Business Bureau gave Lance and NSI their worst possible rating
>>because they would not satisfy customer complaints. Usually took the
>>money and did not deliver the goods. It appears he has taken care of a
>>few high profile and list prominent people like you as you keep heaping
>>on the praise. Others do not fare very well.
>>JML
>>
>>Peter Graichen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
>>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI CAP
>>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>I had a chance to buy one of these for $800.00 and decided against it. I
>>>called NSI several times a day for a week and got not answer and not
>>>
>>>
>reply
>
>
>>>to messages left. I do not want an orphaned produce and it is not looking
>>>like there will be any service from these guys.
>>>
>>>Giovanni Day
>>>
>>>Do Not Archive
>>>
>>>I don't understand why you could not get thru on the phone. I talk to
>>>
>>>
>them
>
>
>>>about once or twice a month and it never takes longer than about five
>>>minutes to get Heather, Dawn, Craig or Lance.
>>>Peter K. Graichen
>>>http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exterior LED lights. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cjswa" <cjswa@comcast.net>
For those who don't want to build their own, Wicks Aircraft sells a LED
wingtip nav/position/strobe light system. Go to Wicks website and search
for LED lighting. The red/green/white nav/position lights are LED's and
draw .25 amps. The strobes aren't LED's and draw 2 - 2.8 amps (depending on
whether you use two or three strobes). The entire system with power supply
costs $485. I just purchased a set and they look pretty good but I haven't
powered them up yet.
Bill Anderson
Model 4-1050
----- Original Message -----
From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Exterior LED lights.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Thought you'll like to know about latest high intensity LEDs now in the
> marked.
>
> Here is a link to EAA ch. 724 meeting and events. Read the article about
> Using Alternative Sources for Nav and Strobe Lights
>
> By Scott Gettings, EAA 724. This one is a good one for us "experimental"
> builders / pilots.
>
> Here is the link:
>
> http://www.eaa724.org/MeetingsEvents.html
>
>
> (may take some time load, but is worth all (if any) delay).
>
> Enjoy,
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
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| Subject: | header tank wanted |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I'm looking for the later header tank for the IV....the one that mounts
right behind the seat. This one has the inlets and the vent ports in
the top of the tank, and the outlet part way up from the bottom. I'm
trying to move some weight forward, and this looks like one way to do
it. Does anybody have one?
Lynn
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