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1. 02:09 AM - Re: Got my Classic 4 was NSI CAP (John Perry)
2. 05:04 AM - Static Port (Lmar)
3. 08:05 AM - Re: Static Port (David Savener)
4. 08:23 AM - Static Port (Dee Young)
5. 08:39 AM - Transponder Antenna Location (Guy Buchanan)
6. 08:39 AM - Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Guy Buchanan)
7. 08:39 AM - Becker Transponder Mounting (Guy Buchanan)
8. 08:49 AM - Landing Gear Bungee (kitfoxjunky)
9. 08:55 AM - Re: Static port. WAS: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: Becker Transponder Mounting (Vic Jacko)
11. 09:08 AM - NSI PROP HUB (KJD100@aol.com)
12. 09:08 AM - Use six wraps.Re: Landing Gear Bungee (Harris, Robert)
13. 09:17 AM - Re: Becker Transponder Mounting (Clifford Begnaud)
14. 09:20 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Clifford Begnaud)
15. 09:30 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Tom Jones)
16. 09:37 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
17. 09:37 AM - Re: Transponder Antenna Location (Jose M. Toro)
18. 09:37 AM - Becker Transponder Mounting (Fox5flyer)
19. 09:52 AM - Re: Static port. WAS: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (Torgeir Mortensen)
20. 10:05 AM - Re: NSI PROP HUB (Harris, Robert)
21. 10:25 AM - Re: NSI PROP HUB (kitfoxjunky)
22. 11:10 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (kurt schrader)
23. 11:17 AM - Re: Static port (Michel Verheughe)
24. 11:26 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
25. 11:56 AM - props (joakley@ida.net)
26. 12:10 PM - Re: NSI PROP HUB (KJD100@aol.com)
27. 12:45 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Guy Buchanan)
28. 12:45 PM - Re: Becker Transponder Mounting (Guy Buchanan)
29. 12:45 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Guy Buchanan)
30. 12:45 PM - Re: Transponder Antenna Location (Guy Buchanan)
31. 12:45 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Guy Buchanan)
32. 12:45 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Guy Buchanan)
33. 01:00 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
34. 01:45 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Howard Firm)
35. 02:47 PM - Re: Transponder Antenna Location (Jose M. Toro)
36. 03:39 PM - Landing Gear Bungee (Ted Palamarek)
37. 04:47 PM - Static Ports (Rex & Jan Shaw)
38. 04:47 PM - Static Ports (Rex & Jan Shaw)
39. 04:53 PM - Re: Use six wraps.Re: Landing Gear Bungee (John Perry)
40. 05:28 PM - Re: Use six wraps.Re: Landing Gear Bungee (Jeff Smathers)
41. 06:46 PM - Water out of exhaust (jareds)
42. 07:36 PM - Re: Water out of exhaust (Lynn Matteson)
43. 07:53 PM - Re: Water out of exhaust (jareds)
44. 08:19 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Rick)
45. 08:37 PM - Re: Static Ports (Lynn Matteson)
46. 08:37 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Guy Buchanan)
47. 08:46 PM - Re: Water out of exhaust (Lynn Matteson)
48. 08:58 PM - Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com)
49. 09:36 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Steve Zakreski)
50. 09:47 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups (Steve Zakreski)
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| Subject: | Got my Classic 4 was NSI CAP |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
HMMMMM will you swap your 912 for my 582 . hahaha. I think youll enjoy it
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com>
For those with the plane built, you can wear long underware and open the door and
your airspeed should be correct, or run a static line toward the tail. The
Avid has a tube to accept a tow bar which extends from side to side. I tapped
into that and now the speeds are the same doors open or closed. Used to go
5mph "faster" with the door closed, but had to land "fster" too!
Larry
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Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:03:36 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
It works even better if you route the static line thru your long underware on the
way to the back but it makes geressing and egressing the aircraft somewhat
more difficult!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Lmar<mailto:my93avid@yahoo.com>
To: Kitfox<mailto:Kitfox-List@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Static Port
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com<mailto:my93avid@yahoo.com>>
For those with the plane built, you can wear long underware and open the door
and your airspeed should be correct, or run a static line toward the tail. The
Avid has a tube to accept a tow bar which extends from side to side. I tapped
into that and now the speeds are the same doors open or closed. Used to go
5mph "faster" with the door closed, but had to land "fster" too!
Larry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I had an altimeter problem several weeks ago. The problem was the altimeter
would go crazy on take off and then settle down after gaining altitude. I
recieved some good responses from the list. One guy who flys a J-3 had
experianced the same problem. He suggested I put a dam or fairing in front
of the static port which I tried and the altimeter works just fine now. It
seems the prop wash was the problem.
Dee Young
Modell II
N345DY
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| Subject: | Transponder Antenna Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I found a neat spot for my transponder antenna. Bob had put a
inspection plate on the bottom of the aircraft below the seats. This plate
is 4.8" in diameter and is metal. The only problem is that it's behind the
radiator, about 24". The radiator sticks down about 5", possibly shadowing
the transponder antenna forward. Has anyone else used this location for
their transponder antenna and did it work?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I noticed that the Cessna 152 has fuel pick ups in the front and
back of the wing tanks so that you'll ge fuel going up hill as well as
down. I noted that we only have pick-ups in the back of the tank. Has
anyone added the forward pick-ups? Has anyone had problems unporting on
long descents?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Becker Transponder Mounting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I've got a Becker transponder which is a 2 1/4" instrument about
8" deep. Can I cantilever this off the panel or do I need some kind of tray
or end support?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Bungee |
11:47:41 AM,
Serialize complete at 02/28/2005 11:47:41 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I have my KF IV on wheels now. First time I have had it off the floats. I
read in the manual that they want six wraps, but I had a hard time just
getting four times around when I was taking the floats off. What are
others doing out there? Is four good enough, or do you really need them
to go around the full six turns? I think the cords I am using are the
standard bungees that came with the kit. Anyone know how long they should
be?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Static port. WAS: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
an interesting static port is used in the RV's. A long shank pop rivet is installed
then the mandrel removed/drilled and the static tube is attached to the
shank on the inside.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
>
> Congatulations on finding your airspeed problem. I had the same experiance
> with my 912. Only one static port is needed to cure the problem. I added
> the Skystar static port and found it to actually be easier than I expected.
> It is well worth the trouble.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
> > You are right, Torgeir.
> > I went flying today and, indeed, my airspeed indicator is much too high.
> > After
> > several runs crosswind, I average my indicated speed of 80 MPH to be in
> > reality, 70 MPH.
> > Then, on the downwind leg of the landing, I also thought that 1,000 ft AGL
> > was
> > closer to the ground than what I was used to.
> > It all points out to one thing: After changing the 582 for a Jabiru, I
> > have a
> > lesser cockpit pressure. I am not sure why because my firewall is airtight
> > (as
> > far as I can see). Mind you, the large scoop I made for the cooling surely
> > creates a low pressure ahead of the firewall. Maybe it is not as tight as
> > I thought.
> > In any case, the remedy to my problem is then: A static port. Hum, I'll
> > have to
> > connect the ASI, the VVI, the altimeter and the transponder's
> > alti-encoder.
> > Then run it aft to the tail, one static port on each side, right?
> > Where do I get the hardware? Plastic pipe is easy. The actual ports can be
> > improvised from some kind of fitting. But I have three instruments that
> > need a
> > fitting to match the thread in them. With my luck, I am sure that those
> > threads
> > are in ... er, Mongolian fathoms! :-)
> >
> > BTW, it looks like the 60 by 38 prop is correct for me, then.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > PS: Mongolia being a landlocked country, I think that "Mongolian fathoms"
> > was
> > quite funny, don't you? :-)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
an interesting static port is used in the RV's. A long shank pop rivet is installed
then the mandrel removed/drilled and the static tube is attached to the shank
on the inside.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <JIMSHUMAKER@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Congatulations on finding your airspeed problem. I had the same experiance
with my 912. Only one static port is needed to cure the problem. I added
the Skystar static port and found it to actually be easier than I expected.
It is well worth the trouble.
Jim Shumaker
You are right, Torgeir.
I went flying today and, indeed, my airspeed indicator is much too high.
After
several runs crosswind, I average my indicated speed of 80 MPH to be in
reality, 70 MPH.
Then, on the downwind leg of the landing, I also thought that 1,000 ft AGL
was
closer to the ground than what I was used
to.
It all points out to one thing: After changing the 582 for a Jabiru, I
have a
lesser cockpit pressure. I am not sure why because my firewall is airtight
(as
far as I can see). Mind you, the large scoop I made for the cooling surely
creates a low pressure ahead of the firewall. Maybe it is not as tight as
I thought.
In any case, the remedy to my problem is then: A static port. Hum, I'll
have to
connect the ASI, the VVI, the altimeter and the transponder's
alti-encoder.
Then run it aft to the tail, one static port on each side, right?
Where do I get the hardware? Plastic pipe is easy. The actual ports can be
improvised from some kind of fitting. But I have three instruments that
need a
fitting to match the thread in them. With my luck, I am sure that t
hose
threads
are in ... er, Mongolian fathoms! :-)
BTW, it looks like the 60 by 38 prop is correct for me, then.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: Mongolia being a landlocked country, I think that "Mongolian fathoms"
was
quite funny, don't you? :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Becker Transponder Mounting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Guy, That same transponder was mounted in N88VJ now owned by Cliff B. It
was just mounted directly to the panel without any other support.
No problems to date and Cliff has been flyiing the h--l out of the plane.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Becker Transponder Mounting
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I've got a Becker transponder which is a 2 1/4" instrument about
> 8" deep. Can I cantilever this off the panel or do I need some kind of
> tray
> or end support?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KJD100@aol.com
I have recently signed on to this E-Mail list and have been reading all the
chatter about the NSI Type I hub problems. Can someone bring me up to date
on what the problem is? I have an NSI CAP140 three blade prop on my Pulsar's
Rotax 912 UL. It currently has 170 hours on the combination with no
problems. There has been mention of a Note, who sent the Note and what did it
say?
How do you know if you have a Type I hub? I have researched my paper work
and I can't find any mention of hub type. I would appreciate any info that
would bring me up to date. DonKearney
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Bungee |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
You need to use six wraps. With the help and encouragement of the list I was
able to get mine to six. It's hard. Use several vice grips with duct tape
taped around the ends. Each time you wrap you need to stretch the bungee as
far as you can and then use the vice grips to hold it to the frame while you
crawl underneath the fuselage and back into the cabin.
It takes a long time and a lot of muscle but you can do it.
Robert
I have my KF IV on wheels now. First time I have had it off the floats. I
read in the manual that they want six wraps, but I had a hard time just
getting four times around when I was taking the floats off. What are
others doing out there? Is four good enough, or do you really need them
to go around the full six turns? I think the cords I am using are the
standard bungees that came with the kit. Anyone know how long they should
be?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Becker Transponder Mounting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
yep, 400+ hours, no problem
cliff
do not archive
>
> Guy, That same transponder was mounted in N88VJ now owned by Cliff B. It
> was just mounted directly to the panel without any other support.
>
> No problems to date and Cliff has been flyiing the h--l out of the plane.
>
> Vic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Becker Transponder Mounting
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>>
>> All,
>> I've got a Becker transponder which is a 2 1/4" instrument about
>> 8" deep. Can I cantilever this off the panel or do I need some kind of
>> tray
>> or end support?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
The tanks on a kitfox WILL most definately unport in a long (or even not so
long) descent when low on fuel. Just level off and let the header tank
refill or start the descent sooner so you can make a more gentle descent.
Cliff
S5
>
> All,
> I noticed that the Cessna 152 has fuel pick ups in the front and
> back of the wing tanks so that you'll ge fuel going up hill as well as
> down. I noted that we only have pick-ups in the back of the tank. Has
> anyone added the forward pick-ups? Has anyone had problems unporting on
> long descents?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
Guy,
There is potential for unporting of the fuel pickups. Go to Skystar's
web site and in the "Technical Support" Section get Service letter #45,
"Ensuring Proper Fuel System Performance". It deals with what you need
to know.
Tom Jones
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I noticed that the Cessna 152 has fuel pick ups in the front and
> back of the wing tanks so that you'll ge fuel going up hill as well as
> down. I noted that we only have pick-ups in the back of the tank. Has
> anyone added the forward pick-ups? Has anyone had problems unporting on
> long descents?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
All,
I noticed that the Cessna 152 has fuel pick ups in the front and
back of the wing tanks so that you'll ge fuel going up hill as well as
down. I noted that we only have pick-ups in the back of the tank. Has
anyone added the forward pick-ups? Has anyone had problems unporting on
long descents?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
Guy,
This is a subject matter that goes way back. IMHO, putting fwd tank
pickups would forever solve the potential "unporting" problem however, you would
either have to disable the ability to fold the wings or make the fwd fuel
line a quick disconnect (when folding). The fwd fuel line would have to run
down the fwd door post in order to keep that "continuos" downhill flow (in a
decent). If you brought the fwd fuel line straight aft to enter the cockpit at
the standard location, the fuel would have to run uphill in that line during
a decent and therefore not work.
I don't recall too many folks ever reporting a serious unporting.
However, the header takes up the slack for any time the tanks would unport. There
may have been many unportings that the pilot wasn't even aware of since the
header was supplying the fuel during those short times.
One more thought that I haven't spent any time thinking about but, if
you had such a setup, you might not need a header since you will be providing
fuel no matter what the angle. Also, if either the fwd or aft port were to
unport, it would get a small air bubble during that time. However, I think the
air bubble would stay high in each line and vent itself back into the tank
as soon as you leveled out.
Might not be a bad design. If feasible, you could get rid of the header,
some weight, and 2 gallons of gas right at your rear end.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Antenna Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Guy:
My transponder antenna is right behind the seats, and it works find.
Jose
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
All,
I found a neat spot for my transponder antenna. Bob had put a
inspection plate on the bottom of the aircraft below the seats. This plate
is 4.8" in diameter and is metal. The only problem is that it's behind the
radiator, about 24". The radiator sticks down about 5", possibly shadowing
the transponder antenna forward. Has anyone else used this location for
their transponder antenna and did it work?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Becker Transponder Mounting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My opinion is that you always need end support. The G forces acting on the
weight of the unit during turbulence will enventually cause you trouble, not
to mention hard landings.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Becker Transponder Mounting
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I've got a Becker transponder which is a 2 1/4" instrument about
> 8" deep. Can I cantilever this off the panel or do I need some kind of
tray
> or end support?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static port. WAS: Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
Good to see that you found that problem.
It could be the undercarriage rubber band opening ??
As you'll have to add static ports as a retrofit, I'll think the aft
position as indicated in Skystars documentation is "kind of" difficult to
install.
Here:
http://www.skystar.com/Instructions_folder/Static%20System.pdf
Think the old forward position is a better one to use when adding static
ports in finished AC's.
Also go for the double porting, as "rotating" propeller thrust (sometimes
called slipstream) can make differential pressure at symmetrical points
around ship.
Both side static ports is linked inside, and a T is inserted in the
middle, this ensure average pressure of both sides. Assuming both static
opening has same size, tubes etc. I.E. Symmetrically alike. Your static
line from cockpit is connected to this T connection.
And remember the uphill routing of the lines, -just inside next to the
static port, this prevent water collection in the lines when raining.
Those nylon T connectors can be found in most "equipment shops" for cars.
Good luck.
Cheers
Torgeir.
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:44:38 +0100, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>> Try a two way path with your GPS, the two way is better (easier) to
>> handle, do this test in calm air to verify your AS indicator.
>
> You are right, Torgeir.
> I went flying today and, indeed, my airspeed indicator is much too high.
> After
> several runs crosswind, I average my indicated speed of 80 MPH to be in
> reality, 70 MPH.
> Then, on the downwind leg of the landing, I also thought that 1,000 ft
> AGL was
> closer to the ground than what I was used to.
> It all points out to one thing: After changing the 582 for a Jabiru, I
> have a
> lesser cockpit pressure. I am not sure why because my firewall is
> airtight (as
> far as I can see). Mind you, the large scoop I made for the cooling
> surely
> creates a low pressure ahead of the firewall. Maybe it is not as tight
> as I thought.
> In any case, the remedy to my problem is then: A static port. Hum, I'll
> have to
> connect the ASI, the VVI, the altimeter and the transponder's
> alti-encoder.
> Then run it aft to the tail, one static port on each side, right?
> Where do I get the hardware? Plastic pipe is easy. The actual ports can
> be
> improvised from some kind of fitting. But I have three instruments that
> need a
> fitting to match the thread in them. With my luck, I am sure that those
> threads
> are in ... er, Mongolian fathoms! :-)
>
> BTW, it looks like the 60 by 38 prop is correct for me, then.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> PS: Mongolia being a landlocked country, I think that "Mongolian
> fathoms" was
> quite funny, don't you? :-)
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Go to this site and it will tell you what to look for. It could save your
life.
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KJD100@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI PROP HUB
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KJD100@aol.com
I have recently signed on to this E-Mail list and have been reading all the
chatter about the NSI Type I hub problems. Can someone bring me up to date
on what the problem is? I have an NSI CAP140 three blade prop on my
Pulsar's
Rotax 912 UL. It currently has 170 hours on the combination with no
problems. There has been mention of a Note, who sent the Note and what did
it say?
How do you know if you have a Type I hub? I have researched my paper work
and I can't find any mention of hub type. I would appreciate any info that
would bring me up to date. DonKearney
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| Subject: | Re: NSI PROP HUB |
01:18:39 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/28/2005 01:18:39 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
There is an AD out on the CAP 140 when combined with a Rotax 912 or 914
engine. I have attached the AD below. There is a hole size that
determines what version of the cuff you have. The differences in hole
sizes (in the end) are 1.25", 1.10", and .55" (versions 1-3). Sorry but
I do not know exactly what to measure. I know that if the prop left the
factory in the 1999 or earlier time frame, you could have the V1 cuff.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
AD
This summer an RAA member suffered the loss of a prop blade on his
amphibious 912S Kitfox, that was equipped with a NSI CAP 140 propellor.
The
engine immediately broke from its mount, but fortunately was retained by
the hoses and cables. The pilot was able to make a successful emergency
landing with the departed blade stuck into his float.
The NSI CAP 140 prop is in-flight adjustable and has three Warp Drive
blades that are modified by the addition of an aluminum cuff that fits
into
the NSI hub. There have so far been two versions of this cuff, with a
third
version about to be released. Some applications will have their effective
lives limited by this AD, and others are grounded immediately. New version
3 parts are not yet ready, so some planes will be grounded until parts are
available near the end of this year.
Effective immediately, all 912S Rotax engines with either the version 1
or version 2 cuff are grounded. These parts may not be used any longer.
Ship your blades to NSI for installation of the version 3 cuff. Lance
Wheeler has told me this morning that the cost will be under $500 US.
Effective immediately, all 912 engines with the version 1 cuff are
limited to 500 hours. All 912 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited
to 1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
version 3 cuff.
Effective immediately, all 914 engines with the version 1 cuff are
limited to 700 hours. All 914 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited
to 1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
version 3 cuff.
In Lance Wheeler's estimate, blades fitted with the version 3 cuff will
have an effective life of 2000 hours. This estimate has been calculated by
Finite Element Analysis. The full story on this will be printed in the
next
issue of the Recreational Flyer.
Gary Wolf
President, RAA Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Tom Anderson had a flameout and emergency landing,
with damage but no injuries, due to fuel line
unporting. He was kind enough to inform us all back
when it happened and some of us went to larger header
tanks because of it.
His is quite a story and he did a tremendous job of
night landing on a road between a car and a truck.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> All,
> I noticed that the Cessna 152 has fuel pick
> ups in the front and
> back of the wing tanks so that you'll ge fuel going
> up hill as well as
> down. I noted that we only have pick-ups in the back
> of the tank. Has
> anyone added the forward pick-ups? Has anyone had
> problems unporting on
> long descents?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you, Glenn, John, Jim, Larry, Dave, JohnK and Torgeir.
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Those nylon T connectors can be found in most "equipment shops" for cars.
Like ... Biltema? Yes, I have their catalogue, Torgeir. Thanks for your input.
I'll make it with an uphill to prevent water coming in.
Lmar wrote:
> The Avid has a tube to accept a tow bar which extends from side to side.
This is interesting, Larry. I have two transversal tubes, ahead of the
tailwheel, to mount a dorsal (rather, a ventral!) finn, as you see on
seaplanes. I wonder if I could use that as a "dual port?" I would then make a
hole in the pipe, in the centerline, and feed my plastic hose in it. Could that
be an idea?
What I still have to find is the fittings that goes in the instruments
themselves. Is there a minimum size to the plastic tube?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
His is quite a story and he did a tremendous job of
night landing on a road between a car and a truck.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
Kurt,
Thanks for reminding me. I remember that hair raising story especially
about the power lines. The thought of a fwd/aft fuel port (Like Cessna) is
interesting along with getting rid of the header????? Hmmmm, thinking.
Do Not Archive.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: joakley@ida.net
Hi List,
Sensenich has a new carbon 2 blade ground adj. prop. no pitch gage needed.
its about 1400.00 and nice looking
John Oakley
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| Subject: | Re: NSI PROP HUB |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KJD100@aol.com
Thank you for your reply. I greatly appreciate the info as it tells me all
I needed to know. Don Kearney
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:29 AM 2/28/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
>
>
>Guy,
>There is potential for unporting of the fuel pickups. Go to Skystar's
>web site and in the "Technical Support" Section get Service letter #45,
>"Ensuring Proper Fuel System Performance". It deals with what you need
>to know.
>Tom Jones
Thanks Tom. I'll check it out. My system was built per the instructions, so
I guess it will work as advertised. I'm glad that I wasn't missing
something, though.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Becker Transponder Mounting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:04 AM 2/28/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
>Guy, That same transponder was mounted in N88VJ now owned by Cliff B. It
>was just mounted directly to the panel without any other support.
>
>No problems to date and Cliff has been flyiing the h--l out of the plane.
>
>Vic
Thanks Vic. I just love good news!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:20 AM 2/28/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
><shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>The tanks on a kitfox WILL most definately unport in a long (or even not so
>long) descent when low on fuel. Just level off and let the header tank
>refill or start the descent sooner so you can make a more gentle descent.
>Cliff
>S5
Thanks Cliff.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Antenna Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:35 AM 2/28/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
>Guy:
>
>My transponder antenna is right behind the seats, and it works find.
>
>Jose
Thanks Jose. Do you have the standard radiator location forward between the
landing gear?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 11:09 AM 2/28/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>...
>His is quite a story and he did a tremendous job of
>night landing on a road between a car and a truck.
>
>Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
Now that gets your attention! I'll check the archives.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 12:33 PM 2/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Guy,
> This is a subject matter that goes way back. IMHO, putting fwd tank
>pickups would forever solve the potential "unporting" problem however,
>you would
>...
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
Thanks Don. I think I'll stick with the simple solution since it doesn't
seem like a major problem. I wonder if there's an additional problem with
running the 582 out of gas, since it's a 2 stroke and doesn't like lean
operations. What do you thing?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2005 3:46:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bnn@nethere.com writes:
Thanks Don. I think I'll stick with the simple solution since it doesn't
seem like a major problem. I wonder if there's an additional problem with
running the 582 out of gas, since it's a 2 stroke and doesn't like lean
operations. What do you thing?
Guy Buchanan
I've heard that running a 2 stroke out of gas will create a lean condition.
However, I've run mine out of gas several times when I forgot to turn on the
shut off valve. Never did see the EGT's go high during any of them. I did
look on a couple occasions as soon as I realized what I did and thinking
about this very thread.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
A low fuel warning in the header tank will help with this....I still make an
occasional low fuel approach and the light catches me by surprise...
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Yes, the radiator is in the standard location.
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
At 09:35 AM 2/28/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>
>Guy:
>
>My transponder antenna is right behind the seats, and it works find.
>
>Jose
Thanks Jose. Do you have the standard radiator location forward between the
landing gear?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Bungee |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Gary
The bungee for a model IV-1200 are 58.5 inches long to the
outside of the end loops and measure 0.4 inch in diameter
with no tension on them.
Hope this helps.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton. Ab
<<<<SNIP>>>>
Subject: Use six wraps.RE: Kitfox-List: Landing Gear Bungee
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
You need to use six wraps. With the help and encouragement
of the list I was
able to get mine to six. It's hard. Use several vice grips
with duct tape
taped around the ends. Each time you wrap you need to
stretch the bungee as
far as you can and then use the vice grips to hold it to the
frame while you
crawl underneath the fuselage and back into the cabin.
It takes a long time and a lot of muscle but you can do it.
Robert
I have my KF IV on wheels now. First time I have had it off
the floats. I
read in the manual that they want six wraps, but I had a
hard time just
getting four times around when I was taking the floats off.
What are
others doing out there? Is four good enough, or do you
really need them
to go around the full six turns? I think the cords I am
using are the
standard bungees that came with the kit. Anyone know how
long they should
be?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I just recently installed my ONE static port per SS's 1994
instructions. Do I need another on the other side? I know this helps in
slip/skid encounters, but how necessary is the second port?
Life-saving, or merely just a little more accurate at these times?
Lynn
Lynn,
I have talked a lot to Skystar and others on this subject. Skystar
say the port should be on the side of the fuselage and only one side is
needed. To be honest I didn't agree with the one side bit and have never
changed mine from just open to cabin pressure. They work fine. Skystar say
they will but usually cause a 5% high ASI reading at the top end. My ports
were originally in front of both doors and were a problem, hence the tubes
just pulled off and open to cabin pressure. Skystar say they don't
understand why they ever were put there as they never ever suggested that
placing. However it remains a mystery to me why so many are placed there in
that case. I did not build my plane. I bought it completed and flying.
If you are placing a port on one side of the fuselage only I would expect
as you say a variation in a slip situation but also it would be different on
each side due to prop rotation. So why then do Skystar always say the left
side I think it is ?
I have kept E'mails from Skystar on this subject. Here is the relevant
part of one of them from Ed Downs..
Your comments on the static vent has me confused. I was directly
involved in the testing that determined the correct position, and a
forward of the door mounting was never acceptable. This fact was
determined in early testing. The correct position is about 32 inches
forward of the fuselage strut attach fitting for the horizontal
stabilizer, about 2 inches above the lower longeron. That information
is readily available in service letters posted on our web site. The kit
we offer is simply for the convenience of our builders. As always, the
builder of the plane can do anything they like.
I have other bits and pieces but I think this and what I just said covers
the subject fairly well. My final opinion was that it really needed a port
each side up the back but as it is OK as is I just leave it rather than cut
holes etc only to find it's now not right. I remain at a loss to see how a
port on side only of the fuselage is satisfactory though.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I just recently installed my ONE static port per SS's 1994
instructions. Do I need another on the other side? I know this helps in
slip/skid encounters, but how necessary is the second port?
Life-saving, or merely just a little more accurate at these times?
Lynn
Lynn,
I have talked a lot to Skystar and others on this subject. Skystar
say the port should be on the side of the fuselage and only one side is
needed. To be honest I didn't agree with the one side bit and have never
changed mine from just open to cabin pressure. They work fine. Skystar say
they will but usually cause a 5% high ASI reading at the top end. My ports
were originally in front of both doors and were a problem, hence the tubes
just pulled off and open to cabin pressure. Skystar say they don't
understand why they ever were put there as they never ever suggested that
placing. However it remains a mystery to me why so many are placed there in
that case. I did not build my plane. I bought it completed and flying.
If you are placing a port on one side of the fuselage only I would expect
as you say a variation in a slip situation but also it would be different on
each side due to prop rotation. So why then do Skystar always say the left
side I think it is ?
I have kept E'mails from Skystar on this subject. Here is the relevant
part of one of them from Ed Downs..
Your comments on the static vent has me confused. I was directly
involved in the testing that determined the correct position, and a
forward of the door mounting was never acceptable. This fact was
determined in early testing. The correct position is about 32 inches
forward of the fuselage strut attach fitting for the horizontal
stabilizer, about 2 inches above the lower longeron. That information
is readily available in service letters posted on our web site. The kit
we offer is simply for the convenience of our builders. As always, the
builder of the plane can do anything they like.
I have other bits and pieces but I think this and what I just said covers
the subject fairly well. My final opinion was that it really needed a port
each side up the back but as it is OK as is I just leave it rather than cut
holes etc only to find it's now not right. I remain at a loss to see how a
port on side only of the fuselage is satisfactory though.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bungee |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Gary it is really easy just divide the length by 6 and mark with a black
magic marker then get a buddy to help you lay on ground and have buddy to
lay in cockpit . Start on backside top and connect bungee to to tab. When
pull down for first warp you pass the other end back to him and then when
mark lines up on top again use a tye wrap to hold it there then go for next
wrap and tye wrap it again so it will not slip when get all warps on then
cut off tye wraps and your done. it took me only 30 minutes to do both of
mine including taking off the old ones .
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
eskflyer@pld.com
I have my KF IV on wheels now. First time I have had it off the floats. I
read in the manual that they want six wraps, but I had a hard time just
getting four times around when I was taking the floats off. What are
others doing out there? Is four good enough, or do you really need them
to go around the full six turns? I think the cords I am using are the
standard bungees that came with the kit. Anyone know how long they should
be?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Use Tie-Wraps instead on each time around.
Just cut them loose once both ends are in place.
EASY !!!
Jeff Smathers
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> You need to use six wraps. With the help and encouragement of the list I was
> able to get mine to six. It's hard. Use several vice grips with duct tape
> taped around the ends. Each time you wrap you need to stretch the bungee as
> far as you can and then use the vice grips to hold it to the frame while you
> crawl underneath the fuselage and back into the cabin.
>
> It takes a long time and a lot of muscle but you can do it.
>
> Robert
>
> I have my KF IV on wheels now. First time I have had it off the floats. I
> read in the manual that they want six wraps, but I had a hard time just
> getting four times around when I was taking the floats off. What are
> others doing out there? Is four good enough, or do you really need them
> to go around the full six turns? I think the cords I am using are the
> standard bungees that came with the kit. Anyone know how long they should
> be?
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
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| Subject: | Water out of exhaust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Anyone experience water coming out of the exhaust pipe after plane has
sat for a while?
Is it possible that 1/2 a cup of water could collect as condensation in
the exhaust?
Other causes?
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| Subject: | Re: Water out of exhaust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Head gasket leak comes to mind...unless it's a Jabiru, Connie,
Lyc....Does the water look like water, or does it look/taste like
glycol, ie., sweet tasting?
Lynn
On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 10:23 AM, jareds wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Anyone experience water coming out of the exhaust pipe after plane has
> sat for a while?
> Is it possible that 1/2 a cup of water could collect as condensation in
> the exhaust?
> Other causes?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Water out of exhaust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Its a 582 and its really rusty. No green antifreeze look just rusty.
Hadn't tasted it yet!
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>Head gasket leak comes to mind...unless it's a Jabiru, Connie,
>Lyc....Does the water look like water, or does it look/taste like
>glycol, ie., sweet tasting?
>Lynn
>On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 10:23 AM, jareds wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>Anyone experience water coming out of the exhaust pipe after plane has
>>sat for a while?
>>Is it possible that 1/2 a cup of water could collect as condensation in
>>the exhaust?
>>Other causes?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I use to experience this once in a while on very long decents when low on
fuel. I see no reason why dual pick ups could not be tied together. I just
put the nose up and mush or sink if necessary or level out and refill. Don't
let the fuel get as low as I use to. I have a rather large header tank so
not real critical. But when that low fuel light comes on it gets your
attention.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Pick-ups
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I noticed that the Cessna 152 has fuel pick ups in the front and
back of the wing tanks so that you'll ge fuel going up hill as well as
down. I noted that we only have pick-ups in the back of the tank. Has
anyone added the forward pick-ups? Has anyone had problems unporting on
long descents?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hi Rex-
I agree with you on the 2-sided theory, and so, apparently, does Tony
Bingelis in his book "Sportplane Construction Techniques". He shows a
drawing using two static ports, one on either side of the fuse, joined
with a "tee" or "Y" fitting as one possible construction method. I
would think that if this method is used, the lines from the two ports
should be equal in length before joining up with the tee or Y. Who
knows, before I wrap the right-hand side of my fuse in fabric, I may
just build and install another port.
However...the more I sit here and think about this two-sided port
thing, though, the more I wonder about the equalizing of the pressures
that are being picked up by those ports. For example, if you are
slipping the plane in (and I hope I'm using the right term...I'm not a
pilot yet), say with the left side "facing" the relative wind, that
increases the static pressure on the left side, but is the pressure on
the right side affected? If not, then why have it there at all? If it
is affected, that is, if having the right side port in a decreased
pressure area (the side away from the relative wind), will the two
pressures average out? I guess that's the whole question. If the two
ports don't average out, what's the benefit of having two? Where is the
second static port on the wing-mounted pitot/static combination? What
am I missing here?
Lynn
On Monday, February 28, 2005, at 06:42 PM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> I just recently installed my ONE static port per SS's 1994
> instructions. Do I need another on the other side? I know this helps in
> slip/skid encounters, but how necessary is the second port?
> Life-saving, or merely just a little more accurate at these times?
>
> Lynn
>
> Lynn,
> I have talked a lot to Skystar and others on this subject.
> Skystar
> say the port should be on the side of the fuselage and only one side is
> needed. To be honest I didn't agree with the one side bit and have
> never
> changed mine from just open to cabin pressure. They work fine. Skystar
> say
> they will but usually cause a 5% high ASI reading at the top end. My
> ports
> were originally in front of both doors and were a problem, hence the
> tubes
> just pulled off and open to cabin pressure. Skystar say they don't
> understand why they ever were put there as they never ever suggested
> that
> placing. However it remains a mystery to me why so many are placed
> there in
> that case. I did not build my plane. I bought it completed and flying.
> If you are placing a port on one side of the fuselage only I would
> expect
> as you say a variation in a slip situation but also it would be
> different on
> each side due to prop rotation. So why then do Skystar always say the
> left
> side I think it is ?
> I have kept E'mails from Skystar on this subject. Here is the
> relevant
> part of one of them from Ed Downs..
>
> Your comments on the static vent has me confused. I was directly
> involved in the testing that determined the correct position, and a
> forward of the door mounting was never acceptable. This fact was
> determined in early testing. The correct position is about 32 inches
> forward of the fuselage strut attach fitting for the horizontal
> stabilizer, about 2 inches above the lower longeron. That information
> is readily available in service letters posted on our web site. The
> kit
> we offer is simply for the convenience of our builders. As always, the
> builder of the plane can do anything they like.
>
> I have other bits and pieces but I think this and what I just said
> covers
> the subject fairly well. My final opinion was that it really needed a
> port
> each side up the back but as it is OK as is I just leave it rather
> than cut
> holes etc only to find it's now not right. I remain at a loss to see
> how a
> port on side only of the fuselage is satisfactory though.
>
> Rex.
>
>
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 03:45 PM 2/28/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
>A low fuel warning in the header tank will help with this....I still make an
>occasional low fuel approach and the light catches me by surprise...
>
>Howard Firm
>508 12th St. South
>Virginia MN 55792
I've got a fuel sensor in the top of the header tank. The tank looks pretty
small so I guess it means either pull up and re-fill the tank, or head for
the nearest flat patch ASAP!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Water out of exhaust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Is there a low point in the exhaust system where condensation could
have been trapped, then forced out when you started the engine? How
long since the engine had been last run, prior to when you saw the
water coming out? I'm trying to troubleshoot from a car mechanics
experience...somebody's bound to come on board with some good
answers/questions for you.
Lynn
On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 12:55 AM, jareds wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Its a 582 and its really rusty. No green antifreeze look just rusty.
> Hadn't tasted it yet!
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Head gasket leak comes to mind...unless it's a Jabiru, Connie,
>> Lyc....Does the water look like water, or does it look/taste like
>> glycol, ie., sweet tasting?
>> Lynn
>> On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 10:23 AM, jareds wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> Anyone experience water coming out of the exhaust pipe after plane
>>> has
>>> sat for a while?
>>> Is it possible that 1/2 a cup of water could collect as condensation
>>> in
>>> the exhaust?
>>> Other causes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfoxes to Alaska 2005 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
Chad -
It would be great to have you as part of the Alaska trip, especially with all
of your experience!!! I will keep you informed and hope you decide to go.
Where do you live and what Kitfox do you have?
Stan Specht
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
At decent throttle, you probably have at least 15 minutes fuel in the
header. That's lots. A slight bank left or right will refill the header.
The entire fuel system with the header tank was designed specifically to
handle this problem. In the real world, I would say it is a non issue.
IMHO.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Pick-ups
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 03:45 PM 2/28/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
>A low fuel warning in the header tank will help with this....I still make
an
>occasional low fuel approach and the light catches me by surprise...
>
>Howard Firm
>508 12th St. South
>Virginia MN 55792
I've got a fuel sensor in the top of the header tank. The tank looks pretty
small so I guess it means either pull up and re-fill the tank, or head for
the nearest flat patch ASAP!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Pick-ups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Before you all pounce on me... I meant "descent" not "decent".
However after reading the post about Tom Anderson....unporting may... just
possibly... be a wee bit of an issue after all. ;-)
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Pick-ups
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
At decent throttle, you probably have at least 15 minutes fuel in the
header. That's lots. A slight bank left or right will refill the header.
The entire fuel system with the header tank was designed specifically to
handle this problem. In the real world, I would say it is a non issue.
IMHO.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Pick-ups
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 03:45 PM 2/28/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
>A low fuel warning in the header tank will help with this....I still make
an
>occasional low fuel approach and the light catches me by surprise...
>
>Howard Firm
>508 12th St. South
>Virginia MN 55792
I've got a fuel sensor in the top of the header tank. The tank looks pretty
small so I guess it means either pull up and re-fill the tank, or head for
the nearest flat patch ASAP!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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