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1. 01:54 AM - Terminology. WAS: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:30 AM - SV: Kitfox down in WY ? (Michel Verheughe)
3. 06:09 AM - SV: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
4. 06:16 AM - SV: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
5. 10:28 AM - How far apart are the mains on a model V (Harris, Robert)
6. 12:11 PM - Re: How far apart are the mains on a model V (robert.mcclintock)
7. 12:29 PM - Re: How far apart are the mains on a model V (Harris, Robert)
8. 12:29 PM - Re: How far apart are the mains on a model V (jdmcbean)
9. 12:45 PM - Re: How far apart are the mains on a model V (Harris, Robert)
10. 01:39 PM - Re: How far apart are the mains on a model V (robert.mcclintock)
11. 02:31 PM - c90 in Kitfox (Barbara & Keith Schneider)
12. 03:23 PM - Re: SV: Static Ports (Torgeir Mortensen)
13. 04:18 PM - Global Flyer. (Torgeir Mortensen)
14. 05:18 PM - Static Ports (hausding, sid)
15. 05:30 PM - Re: c90 in Kitfox (roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick))
16. 08:58 PM - Turtle Deck on Classic 4 and Series 7 - Does anyone have any mods so that this can hinge outwards to make loading the luggage area easier? (Harry Tucker)
17. 09:19 PM - Re: Static Ports (jimshumaker)
18. 09:25 PM - Re: Kitfox down in WY ()
19. 10:20 PM - Re: Terminology. WAS: Static Ports (Guy Buchanan)
20. 10:20 PM - Re: SV: Transponder (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Terminology. WAS: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> This may be a regional difference in terminology, this relative wind vs
> relative airflow, because my book calls it relative wind
Gentlemen, allow me to settle this argument! English is only the 4th language I
learnt but I have a passion for navigation and etymology.
In the sailing ship days, a vessel would sail with, abeam or close to the wind.
As closing to the latter, the felt wind became something different from the true
wind direction. It was then called the "apparent wind" or "relative wind."
It made sense.
I suppose the word has been borrowed in the early days of aviation and it is still
used. But I agree that it is misleading and that "relative airflow" makes
more sense in aviation.
While on the subject, another interesting question is the difference between "course"
and "heading." There is none! It is the same definition, although my experience
is that the Brits say more often "course" while the Americans prefer
"heading."
"Course" is of Latin origin. It can still be found in the Italian "corso" and the
French "cours" and "course" which all mean: run. If the "course" is said straight
(to the mag compass,) it is then called the "rhumb line," which derives
from the Spanish "rumbo," which means ... course ... of course! (Just couldn't
resist the pun! :-)
And to finish, here is a myth-buster: There is no proof that "dead-reckogning"
derives from "ded(uced) reckoning." It could be, but it could be many other origins.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Kitfox down in WY ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Fox5flyer [morid@northland.lib.mi.us]
> This is an Avid, but do you think it might be the one?
Here it is:
*********************************************************
** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 2 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 94B Make/Model: EXP Description: AVID FLYER MARKIV
Date: 02/28/2005 Time: 1055
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: KAYCEE State: WY Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS
FATALLY INJURED, 4-5 SW OF KAYCEE, WY
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: UNK
OTHER DATA
Departed: CASPER, WY Dep Date: 02/26/2005 Dep. Time: 0730
Destination: CASPER, WY Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N
Last Radio Cont: UNK
Last Clearance: UNK
FAA FSDO: CASPER, WY (NM04) Entry date: 02/28/2005
Our thoughts are with the family of the pilot.
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Am I missing something here?
I don't think so, Don. But my speed is in excess of 10 MPH under my reading. I
have to do something. As Torgeir says, it may not be too much of a problem for
speed because I can feel it when the plane is nose-up, near stall, but I am worried
about my altitude reported to the ATC. If I am say, 400 ft off, and I meet
a crossing traffic, it may have catastrophic consequences. I know: See and
be seen. But in controlled airspace, you tend to relax and let the job of traffic
separation the the guy in front of his big radar display.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> Use one of the preferred locations for the static port, an alternate is
> the combined pitot/static head located in the standard "Fox pitot
> location".
Indeed, it is, Torgeir. But ... I was thinking that all our Kitfoxes were built
the same way. From the answers I get, it looks like it is not. Here is what I
think, please remember that I didn't build my plane and correct me if I am wrong:
I have two transversal tubes under the fuselage, the most forward one being pretty
much there where Skystar says we should have our static port.
I think we all have these two transverse tubes, only that my builder kept them
open with the intention, one day, to add a dorsal finn and make it a seaplane.
I think you holes are covered with fabric but they are there.
Since mine are open and flush with the fuselage, why not use that as a static port?
Yes, there might be a difference of pressure when sideslipping and yes, it may
create a transverse airstream in the tube that works like a venturi tube and creates
a lower pressure in the static system. But sideslipping only occurs in
very special conditions where one is flying by the seat of one's pants, anyway.
Don't you think so?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | How far apart are the mains on a model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
How far apart (on center) are the main wheels on a model V with grove gear?
(I'm fabricating a trailer but I'm away from my plane)
Thanks
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Clue us into the private post...WHICH ONE?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> Heard today that a KITFOX had crashed in WY around a airport any one heard
> anything . It was a fatality .
> Thoughts and prayers with the family .
>
> fly safe fly low fly slow
> John Perry
This is an Avid, but do you think it might be the one?
Deke
****************************************************************************
****
** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 1
**
****************************************************************************
****
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 94B Make/Model: EXP Description: AVID FLYER MARKIV
Date: 02/28/2005 Time: 1055
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: KAYCEE State: WY Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS
FATALLY INJURED, 4-5 SW OF KAYCEE, WY
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: UNK
OTHER DATA
Departed: CASPER, WY Dep Date: 02/26/2005 Dep. Time:
0730
Destination: CASPER, WY Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:
N
Last Radio Cont: UNK
Last Clearance: UNK
FAA FSDO: CASPER, WY (NM04) Entry date: 02/28/2005
****************************************************************************
****
** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 2
**
****************************************************************************
****
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 231WP Make/Model: PTS1 Description: S-1 SPECIAL
Date: 02/27/2005 Time: 1755
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor
LOCATION
City: DENTON State: TX Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT TRIED TO EXIT FROM RUNWAY, SPUN AROUND AND TIPPED ON ITS RIGHT WING,
DENTON, TX
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: VFR
OTHER DATA
Departed: DENTON, TX Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: DENTON, TX Flt Plan: VFR Wx Briefing:
U
Last Radio Cont: T & G TOWER PATTERN
Last Clearance: CLRD TO LAND
FAA FSDO: FORT WORTH, TX (SW19) Entry date: 02/28/2005
****************************************************************************
****
** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 3
**
****************************************************************************
****
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 2521B Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENITH
Date: 02/26/2005 Time: 2240
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing:
N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: DOBBERSVILLE State: NC Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT LANDED IN THE TREE TOPS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, DOBBERSVILLE, NC
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: METAR KGSB262155ZVRB03KT7SMSCT25011/M03A3019
OTHER DATA
Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:
N
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: WINSTON-SALEM, NC (SO05) Entry date: 02/28/2005
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| Subject: | Re: How far apart are the mains on a model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "robert.mcclintock" <robert.mcclintock@sbcglobal.net>
Bob,
Try, www.groveaircraft.com
On their page you click on experimentals landing gear and find the S5
It has the dimensions on a pdf. You'll have to estimate the wheel widths.
Scott in Nome (C.C.Texas)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> How far apart (on center) are the main wheels on a model V with grove
> gear?
> (I'm fabricating a trailer but I'm away from my plane)
> Thanks
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Clue us into the private post...WHICH ONE?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>> Heard today that a KITFOX had crashed in WY around a airport any one
>> heard
>> anything . It was a fatality .
>> Thoughts and prayers with the family .
>>
>> fly safe fly low fly slow
>> John Perry
>
> This is an Avid, but do you think it might be the one?
> Deke
> ****************************************************************************
> ****
> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 1
> **
> ****************************************************************************
> ****
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 94B Make/Model: EXP Description: AVID FLYER MARKIV
> Date: 02/28/2005 Time: 1055
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Substantial
>
> LOCATION
> City: KAYCEE State: WY Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS
> FATALLY INJURED, 4-5 SW OF KAYCEE, WY
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
>
> WEATHER: UNK
>
> OTHER DATA
>
> Departed: CASPER, WY Dep Date: 02/26/2005 Dep. Time:
> 0730
> Destination: CASPER, WY Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:
> N
> Last Radio Cont: UNK
> Last Clearance: UNK
>
> FAA FSDO: CASPER, WY (NM04) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ****
> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 2
> **
> ****************************************************************************
> ****
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 231WP Make/Model: PTS1 Description: S-1 SPECIAL
> Date: 02/27/2005 Time: 1755
>
> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Minor
>
> LOCATION
> City: DENTON State: TX Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT TRIED TO EXIT FROM RUNWAY, SPUN AROUND AND TIPPED ON ITS RIGHT WING,
> DENTON, TX
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
>
> WEATHER: VFR
>
> OTHER DATA
>
> Departed: DENTON, TX Dep Date: Dep. Time:
> Destination: DENTON, TX Flt Plan: VFR Wx Briefing:
> U
> Last Radio Cont: T & G TOWER PATTERN
> Last Clearance: CLRD TO LAND
>
> FAA FSDO: FORT WORTH, TX (SW19) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ****
> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 3
> **
> ****************************************************************************
> ****
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 2521B Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENITH
> Date: 02/26/2005 Time: 2240
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing:
> N
> Damage: Unknown
>
> LOCATION
> City: DOBBERSVILLE State: NC Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT LANDED IN THE TREE TOPS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, DOBBERSVILLE, NC
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
>
> WEATHER: METAR KGSB262155ZVRB03KT7SMSCT25011/M03A3019
>
> OTHER DATA
>
> Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
> Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:
> N
> Last Radio Cont:
> Last Clearance:
>
> FAA FSDO: WINSTON-SALEM, NC (SO05) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>
>
>
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| Subject: | How far apart are the mains on a model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks Scott,
Is your plane back in the air?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
robert.mcclintock
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "robert.mcclintock"
<robert.mcclintock@sbcglobal.net>
Bob,
Try, www.groveaircraft.com
On their page you click on experimentals landing gear and find the S5
It has the dimensions on a pdf. You'll have to estimate the wheel widths.
Scott in Nome (C.C.Texas)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> How far apart (on center) are the main wheels on a model V with grove
> gear?
> (I'm fabricating a trailer but I'm away from my plane)
> Thanks
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Clue us into the private post...WHICH ONE?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>> Heard today that a KITFOX had crashed in WY around a airport any one
>> heard
>> anything . It was a fatality .
>> Thoughts and prayers with the family .
>>
>> fly safe fly low fly slow
>> John Perry
>
> This is an Avid, but do you think it might be the one?
> Deke
>
****************************************************************************
> ****
> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 1
> **
>
****************************************************************************
> ****
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 94B Make/Model: EXP Description: AVID FLYER MARKIV
> Date: 02/28/2005 Time: 1055
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Substantial
>
> LOCATION
> City: KAYCEE State: WY Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS
> FATALLY INJURED, 4-5 SW OF KAYCEE, WY
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
>
> WEATHER: UNK
>
> OTHER DATA
>
> Departed: CASPER, WY Dep Date: 02/26/2005 Dep. Time:
> 0730
> Destination: CASPER, WY Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:
> N
> Last Radio Cont: UNK
> Last Clearance: UNK
>
> FAA FSDO: CASPER, WY (NM04) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>
>
****************************************************************************
> ****
> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 2
> **
>
****************************************************************************
> ****
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 231WP Make/Model: PTS1 Description: S-1 SPECIAL
> Date: 02/27/2005 Time: 1755
>
> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Minor
>
> LOCATION
> City: DENTON State: TX Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT TRIED TO EXIT FROM RUNWAY, SPUN AROUND AND TIPPED ON ITS RIGHT WING,
> DENTON, TX
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
>
> WEATHER: VFR
>
> OTHER DATA
>
> Departed: DENTON, TX Dep Date: Dep. Time:
> Destination: DENTON, TX Flt Plan: VFR Wx Briefing:
> U
> Last Radio Cont: T & G TOWER PATTERN
> Last Clearance: CLRD TO LAND
>
> FAA FSDO: FORT WORTH, TX (SW19) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>
>
****************************************************************************
> ****
> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 3
> **
>
****************************************************************************
> ****
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 2521B Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENITH
> Date: 02/26/2005 Time: 2240
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing:
> N
> Damage: Unknown
>
> LOCATION
> City: DOBBERSVILLE State: NC Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT LANDED IN THE TREE TOPS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, DOBBERSVILLE, NC
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
>
> WEATHER: METAR KGSB262155ZVRB03KT7SMSCT25011/M03A3019
>
> OTHER DATA
>
> Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
> Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:
> N
> Last Radio Cont:
> Last Clearance:
>
> FAA FSDO: WINSTON-SALEM, NC (SO05) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>
>
>
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| Subject: | How far apart are the mains on a model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
70" on center is what was published...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
How far apart (on center) are the main wheels on a model V with grove gear?
(I'm fabricating a trailer but I'm away from my plane)
Thanks
Robert
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| Subject: | How far apart are the mains on a model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
70" on center is what was published...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
How far apart (on center) are the main wheels on a model V with grove gear?
(I'm fabricating a trailer but I'm away from my plane)
Thanks
Robert
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| Subject: | Re: How far apart are the mains on a model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "robert.mcclintock" <robert.mcclintock@sbcglobal.net>
She's in her hangar for the winter in Nome, I'm in Texas staying warm.
Gettin' her down here next summer and then on floats.
Baffin Bay, here I come.
Scott
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Thanks Scott,
>
> Is your plane back in the air?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> robert.mcclintock
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "robert.mcclintock"
> <robert.mcclintock@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bob,
> Try, www.groveaircraft.com
> On their page you click on experimentals landing gear and find the S5
> It has the dimensions on a pdf. You'll have to estimate the wheel widths.
> Scott in Nome (C.C.Texas)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: How far apart are the mains on a model V
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
>> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>>
>> How far apart (on center) are the main wheels on a model V with grove
>> gear?
>> (I'm fabricating a trailer but I'm away from my plane)
>> Thanks
>> Robert
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Clue us into the private post...WHICH ONE?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox down in WY ?
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>>> Heard today that a KITFOX had crashed in WY around a airport any one
>>> heard
>>> anything . It was a fatality .
>>> Thoughts and prayers with the family .
>>>
>>> fly safe fly low fly slow
>>> John Perry
>>
>> This is an Avid, but do you think it might be the one?
>> Deke
>>
> ****************************************************************************
>> ****
>> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 1
>> **
>>
> ****************************************************************************
>> ****
>>
>> IDENTIFICATION
>> Regis#: 94B Make/Model: EXP Description: AVID FLYER MARKIV
>> Date: 02/28/2005 Time: 1055
>>
>> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing:
>> N
>> Damage: Substantial
>>
>> LOCATION
>> City: KAYCEE State: WY Country: US
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>> ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS
>> FATALLY INJURED, 4-5 SW OF KAYCEE, WY
>>
>> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
>> # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>>
>> WEATHER: UNK
>>
>> OTHER DATA
>>
>> Departed: CASPER, WY Dep Date: 02/26/2005 Dep. Time:
>> 0730
>> Destination: CASPER, WY Flt Plan: NONE Wx
>> Briefing:
>> N
>> Last Radio Cont: UNK
>> Last Clearance: UNK
>>
>> FAA FSDO: CASPER, WY (NM04) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>>
>>
> ****************************************************************************
>> ****
>> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 2
>> **
>>
> ****************************************************************************
>> ****
>>
>> IDENTIFICATION
>> Regis#: 231WP Make/Model: PTS1 Description: S-1 SPECIAL
>> Date: 02/27/2005 Time: 1755
>>
>> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
>> Damage: Minor
>>
>> LOCATION
>> City: DENTON State: TX Country: US
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>> ACFT TRIED TO EXIT FROM RUNWAY, SPUN AROUND AND TIPPED ON ITS RIGHT
>> WING,
>> DENTON, TX
>>
>> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
>> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>>
>> WEATHER: VFR
>>
>> OTHER DATA
>>
>> Departed: DENTON, TX Dep Date: Dep. Time:
>> Destination: DENTON, TX Flt Plan: VFR Wx
>> Briefing:
>> U
>> Last Radio Cont: T & G TOWER PATTERN
>> Last Clearance: CLRD TO LAND
>>
>> FAA FSDO: FORT WORTH, TX (SW19) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>>
>>
> ****************************************************************************
>> ****
>> ** Report created 3/1/2005 Record 3
>> **
>>
> ****************************************************************************
>> ****
>>
>> IDENTIFICATION
>> Regis#: 2521B Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENITH
>> Date: 02/26/2005 Time: 2240
>>
>> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N
>> Missing:
>> N
>> Damage: Unknown
>>
>> LOCATION
>> City: DOBBERSVILLE State: NC Country: US
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>> ACFT LANDED IN THE TREE TOPS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, DOBBERSVILLE,
>> NC
>>
>> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
>> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
>> Unk:
>>
>> WEATHER: METAR KGSB262155ZVRB03KT7SMSCT25011/M03A3019
>>
>> OTHER DATA
>>
>> Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
>> Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx
>> Briefing:
>> N
>> Last Radio Cont:
>> Last Clearance:
>>
>> FAA FSDO: WINSTON-SALEM, NC (SO05) Entry date: 02/28/2005
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barbara & Keith Schneider" <bkls1@earthlink.net>
I haven't seen one so equipped, but I know there are some out there.
Here is some info from the Continental service manual that should be of
interest.
Weights of Standard Engine Equipment
Basic Engine (Model A65-8) ------------- 151.0 lb.
(Model C85-12F,C90-12F)----- 168.6 lb
Carburetor----------------------------2.6 lb
Magnetos (2)--------------------------11.4 lb
8 spark plugs-------------------------1.75 lb
Shielded Ignition harness-----------------3.81 lb
Delco-Remy Starter-------------------15.5 lb
Delco-Remy Generator------------------10.2 lb
With current lightweight accessories that are available, looks like
installed engine weight could be kept under 200 pounds. I am looking into
the possible use of one these engines myself. One drawback I see is the
physical detentions of the engine. It is wider than the firewall. Which
means a different type cowl. Maybe something like a super cub.
Keith Schneider Mod IV
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Aha, now I'll understand, did not know about this transversal tube -but
suddenly I figured.
Look at this picture, and you'll understand why.
http://kitfox.net/images/DSC00011.JPG
The builder of my Kitfox mod. II (Alfred Tiefenthal), installed a feed
through handle into this "dorsal attachment" point. I'm using this handle
when parking, much more handy than the one at the top.
This tube need some corrosion protection, then it must be covered with
some fabric then you'll have to make a pinhole -approx. 0,5 mm. If you
use the big tube (opening), you'll may get a "jumping" needle.
This position might be usable, but this tube can collect water -and later
corrosion.
Hmm. I'm still voting for the fwd. position. :) Is it possible to use
the veto??? :)
Torgeir.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:16:06 +0100 (CET), Michel Verheughe
<michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
>> Use one of the preferred locations for the static port, an alternate is
>> the combined pitot/static head located in the standard "Fox pitot
>> location".
>
> Indeed, it is, Torgeir. But ... I was thinking that all our Kitfoxes
> were built the same way. From the answers I get, it looks like it is
> not. Here is what I think, please remember that I didn't build my plane
> and correct me if I am wrong:
>
> I have two transversal tubes under the fuselage, the most forward one
> being pretty much there where Skystar says we should have our static
> port.
> I think we all have these two transverse tubes, only that my builder
> kept them open with the intention, one day, to add a dorsal finn and
> make it a seaplane. I think you holes are covered with fabric but they
> are there.
> Since mine are open and flush with the fuselage, why not use that as a
> static port?
>
> Yes, there might be a difference of pressure when sideslipping and yes,
> it may create a transverse airstream in the tube that works like a
> venturi tube and creates a lower pressure in the static system. But
> sideslipping only occurs in very special conditions where one is flying
> by the seat of one's pants, anyway. Don't you think so?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
Here is a direct link to The Global Flyer site.
It's a little low on fuel.
Right now heading North of Honolulu, -on the way home.
http://www.virginglobalflyer.com/dynamic/flightDataHeader.jsp
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Torg,
Just a thought and observation here on the pic you linked us too..........
one, is the handle appears to be VERY big. Can you cut it off at the
fuselage and when lifting just insert a longer, portable rod into the tube?
Drag here you know.
And second, the trim tab on the rudder sure seems to be offset a LOT.......
hmmmnnn, do you fly with your leg out the door or something? :-)
Just wondering.............
Sid
Avid Speedwing not flying yet.............
Aha, now I'll understand, did not know about this transversal tube -but
suddenly I figured.
Look at this picture, and you'll understand why.
http://kitfox.net/images/DSC00011.JPG
The builder of my Kitfox mod. II (Alfred Tiefenthal), installed a feed
through handle into this "dorsal attachment" point. I'm using this handle
when parking, much more handy than the one at the top.
This tube need some corrosion protection, then it must be covered with
some fabric then you'll have to make a pinhole -approx. 0,5 mm. If you
use the big tube (opening), you'll may get a "jumping" needle.
This position might be usable, but this tube can collect water -and later
corrosion.
Hmm. I'm still voting for the fwd. position. :) Is it possible to use
the veto??? :)
Torgeir.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:16:06 +0100 (CET), Michel Verheughe
<michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
>> Use one of the preferred locations for the static port, an alternate is
>> the combined pitot/static head located in the standard "Fox pitot
>> location".
>
> Indeed, it is, Torgeir. But ... I was thinking that all our Kitfoxes
> were built the same way. From the answers I get, it looks like it is
> not. Here is what I think, please remember that I didn't build my plane
> and correct me if I am wrong:
>
> I have two transversal tubes under the fuselage, the most forward one
> being pretty much there where Skystar says we should have our static
> port.
> I think we all have these two transverse tubes, only that my builder
> kept them open with the intention, one day, to add a dorsal finn and
> make it a seaplane. I think you holes are covered with fabric but they
> are there.
> Since mine are open and flush with the fuselage, why not use that as a
> static port?
>
> Yes, there might be a difference of pressure when sideslipping and yes,
> it may create a transverse airstream in the tube that works like a
> venturi tube and creates a lower pressure in the static system. But
> sideslipping only occurs in very special conditions where one is flying
> by the seat of one's pants, anyway. Don't you think so?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: c90 in Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
I too am looking at a c-90 and have seen pictures of one installed. A
nice conversion and similar weight to VW, but custom build all through
the install. I am still looking at other options as the price for the
c-90 is up there. Ron
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck on Classic 4 and Series 7 - Does anyone have |
any mods so that this can hinge outwards to make loading the luggage area easier?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel
I believe it would be easier to install the static port as specified by
Kitfox. They use a single pitot static on the pilots side of the fuselage
just forward of the elevator and near the bottom of the side. I just had to
cut in an access hole with fabric ring and inspection plate on the bottom of
the fuselage where it does not show.
Anyway that is what I did on my Model III and it was easier than I expected.
If you are interested I can look up the location and install details.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Static Ports
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
>> Use one of the preferred locations for the static port, an alternate is
>> the combined pitot/static head located in the standard "Fox pitot
>> location".
>
> Indeed, it is, Torgeir. But ... I was thinking that all our Kitfoxes were
> built the same way. From the answers I get, it looks like it is not. Here
> is what I think, please remember that I didn't build my plane and correct
> me if I am wrong:
>
> I have two transversal tubes under the fuselage, the most forward one
> being pretty much there where Skystar says we should have our static port.
> I think we all have these two transverse tubes, only that my builder kept
> them open with the intention, one day, to add a dorsal finn and make it a
> seaplane. I think you holes are covered with fabric but they are there.
> Since mine are open and flush with the fuselage, why not use that as a
> static port?
>
> Yes, there might be a difference of pressure when sideslipping and yes, it
> may create a transverse airstream in the tube that works like a venturi
> tube and creates a lower pressure in the static system. But sideslipping
> only occurs in very special conditions where one is flying by the seat of
> one's pants, anyway. Don't you think so?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox down in WY |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <r66rc-matronics@yahoo.com>
Item from the (nearby) Rapid City, South Dakota newspaper:
Casper man dies in ultralight crash
Associated Press
KAYCEE -- Federal aviation officials were investigating the crash of an ultralight
plane that killed a Casper man.
James Smith, 51, died Saturday when his ultralight crashed a few miles south of
Kaycee, Johnson County Sheriff's Deputy Leigh Braley said. There was no sign
of any fire or foul play aboard the plane.
Smith and a friend took off north of Casper Saturday morning, but the two split
when the friend's ultralight began running low on fuel, Braley said. The friend
landed safely south of Kaycee, but Smith's ultralight apparently went down.
The Federal Aviation Administration and National Transportation Safety Board were
investigating the crash.
Rich Cunningham
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| Subject: | Re: Terminology. WAS: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:53 AM 3/2/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>...
>While on the subject, another interesting question is the difference
>between "course" and "heading." There is none! It is the same definition,
>although my experience is that the Brits say more often "course" while the
>Americans prefer "heading."
>
>...
>Cheers,
>Michel
I believe this is incorrect. The course is the direction from point A to B,
perhaps pulled off a chart in magnetic degrees. The heading is the
direction you point the airplane, (or boat,) to achieve the course. They
will often differ due to wind or current.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:41 PM 3/1/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>...
>I wonder how they make transponder with "low-power" though. There must be a
>balance between power and range, don't you think?...
>Cheers,
>Michel
Michel,
The Becker comes in 2 flavors. The 175 watt version is certified
to 15,000ft and pulls 0.7A at 14V. The 250 watt version is certified to
50,000ft and pulls 1.1A at 14V. Other than that and the price they are
identical.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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