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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Redux Jackscrew: (kurt schrader)
2. 12:56 AM - Re: course and Heading (kurt schrader)
3. 01:38 AM - SV: SV: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:38 AM - 912 compression check (Lyle Persels)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: Re: Jackscrew (W Duke)
6. 05:53 AM - SV: course and Heading (Michel Verheughe)
7. 07:24 AM - Re: Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Magazine (Alternative Engines) (Cory Emberson)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: [off-topic] course and Heading (Kerry Skyring)
9. 11:18 AM - Re: SV: course and Heading (off topic) (Jose M. Toro)
10. 01:03 PM - Re: [off-topic] course and Heading (Michel Verheughe)
11. 01:08 PM - [off-topic] grand-parenthood (Michel Verheughe)
12. 02:03 PM - Re: SV: course and Heading (kurt schrader)
13. 03:30 PM - Re: NSI CAP (kitfoxjunky)
14. 03:37 PM - Re: NSI CAP (kitfoxjunky)
15. 04:17 PM - EIS/Rotax Tach Installation (Guy Buchanan)
16. 04:19 PM - Rotax Oil Injection Tank (Guy Buchanan)
17. 05:50 PM - Re: Rotax Oil Injection Tank (Pete Sigrist)
18. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
19. 09:20 PM - Re: SV: Static Ports (jimshumaker)
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Subject: | Redux Jackscrew: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Don,
It was this incident and your article that prompted me
to put a safety on my trim system, use 50# rated ties
on the seat, and install stops under the seat to
prevent it from falling on the flight controls.
Kurt S.
--- Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
> Not to belabor the fear of a jackscrew failing, but
> years ago, I wrote an article about this.
> The failure of one jackscrew and a suggested fix is
> here: http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/calkins1.html
>
> Don Pearsall
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Subject: | Re: course and Heading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
How about this Michel? And isn't it fun to ask?
You chose a (magnetic) heading to fly a track that
hopefully puts you on the course that you marked on
your map. If you are off course, you change the
heading to cause your track to intercept the course
you planned and drew on the map.
To compute the heading you need to fly to stay on
course, you correct heading for compass error, the
offset of the earths magnetic poles, and the wind.....
You then fly the heading and hopefully the plane
tracks the course.
Or you just look out the window and "go there".
That was fun, but you already got some great correct
answers. And you are right too. NATO has not
standardized all these terms worldwide, so our
definitions may vary. Just like QNH, QNE and QFE.
When you get an altimeter setting, you need to know if
you are going to land at field elevation above sea
level, or zero. We are not standardized on that
either.
Before Webster standardized words in the US, people
wrote things the way they talked in their regions.
Davie Crocket went out to walk his "dawg". People in
Texas would drill for "erl"... ;-) And they spelled
it that way... Well, not "erl". We had dictionaries
by then, but you get the idea. (Webster learned over
20 languages while writing his first dictionary.)
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Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> True, it is just a pinhole. It is a part that can be had from Aircraft
> spruce for a few dollars.
Thank you, Jim. I think I'll try to make my own static port output. This is why:
If I order it from Aircraft Spruce, I'll have to pay a relatively expensive shipping.
Once in Norway, the goods must clear custom. I have two alternatives: Get
free from work and do the paperwork myself at the Custom office. I'll have
to pay 25% VAT (value added tax) on both the goods and the shipping.
Or, I can let FedEx to do that for me. In that case, they'll send me a bill for
the VAT. Then, they'll send me another bill for their service of clearing custom.
On which service, they'll also claim the 25% VAT.
At the end of the day, the "few dollars item" will cost me maybe five times as
much.
I do - and will continue to - use Aircraft Spruce and other oversea manufacturers
in the future. But I'll try to gather several small items together, or only
for more expensive items.
In that respect, you are lucky to live in the US where you can expect overnight
delivery, at discount price, for nearly anything.
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | 912 compression check |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I ran a compression check on my 400 hour Rotax 912 UL today. The results
were excellent, but when I put pressure in the cylinder to check
compression, there is a strong bubbling noise in the oil tank. This
happens on all cylinders. While it makes sense that a little bypass of
the rings (or valves) would pressurize the crankcase and force oil back
through the return line to the tank I have a couple of problems with this:
I don't remember this happening in previous checks.
The noise is so loud and bubbling that it almost sounds like a
significant volume of air is entering the tank at the bottom through the
"out line," This would require a pressure back through the pump and oil
cooler. I don't see how this could happen, absent other indications of
serious problems.
I'll do more troubleshooting to pin down the air flow direction, but
I thought some of you may have had similar experiences, or at least some
thoughts or suggestions.
Lyle Persels
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Subject: | Re: RE: Jackscrew |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I have the actuator in an S6 (370 hrs). I and others before me have made accessory
pieces or used lanyards to limit the amount of movement the leading edge
of the stab would have in the event of a failure. In fact, if mine failed at
the point in question I probably would not know until I looked at it for some
reason. There used to be some online photos of a beautifully machined fixture.
I can't find them now. Mine does the same thing but far less elegantly. If
anyone has a later model jack screw without the limit (as John described) I
might be interested in it if they do not want it.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
IMHO
John is correct about the jack screw on the Model V. I have Model V, serial
number 1. The jack screw that came with my aircraft, and the next few, had
a potential problem with cracking where the attach bolt goes thru the base.
I did some research and found a number of actuators that could be used as a
replacement for the original actuator. Their cost was about $400 but there
was no documentation (actuator or aircraft) that could be provided that would
show the base attach point was strong enough or that the problem wouldn't be
transferred to some other location in the trim system. The new actuator
from Skystar was about the same cost and appears to have solved the problem, but
the single point failure mode of the actuator attach point remains
Despite the low risk of failure and considering the potential control
problem if there is a failure and since I am still building I opted to convert
to
the manual trim system that is on the Model VII. I think the manual trim
system provides a significant improvement to the original design and has far
fewer failure modes and no real single failure points such as the actuator base.
I have the original actuator should anyone want to see it. I would not want
to see it installed on any Kitfox.
Just my 2 cents.
Rick Weiss
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Subject: | course and Heading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> How about this Michel? And isn't it fun to ask?
Yes, it is, Kurt. Although it also makes me feel very sad. I just quoted to the
list, two books that belonged to my late father, the airman I never flew with.
He surely knew the answer as he was trained first in UK during WWII, then on
US aircraft (C-47, C-54, C-119) in the 50s.
I am sure that, at this moment of your life, you understand me, Kurt.
My father and I sailed together, though. But never very far. As a pilot, he liked
to come home early after a flight. His passion was ... my mother. It took me
many years to understand the close relation they had. In fact, I had to loose
them both to really understand them. Isn't life strange, sometimes?
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Magazine (Alternative |
Engines)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Yes, that's what I'm looking for - off the beaten track.
Thanks!
Cory
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Flier
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes
Magazine (Alternative Engines)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Cory,
I'm assuming when you refer to alternative you're talking about something
other than the Rotax engines recommended by Skystar? Like Sube conversions
or a Jabiru etc....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cory
Emberson
Subject: Kitfox-List: Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Magazine
(Alternative Engines)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hello everyone,
I've subscribed (quietly) to this list for a little more than a year, and
would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully
installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm writing a
builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an installation
that's flown for a minimum of 150 hours, and is currently flying.
For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay you
$100 for the write-up. We would also need at least 2-3 good photos,
including a close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft.
Additional photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you
have digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at
least 300 dpi.
I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like to participate, but
we can handle that off-line.
Please feel free to contact me off-line at:
cory @ lightspeededit.com (remove the spaces - my anti-spam protection)
or reply offline to my list email address.
I have a rather short deadline, so if you're able to contact me as soon as
you're able, I would greatly appreciate it!
Thank you so much!
best,
Cory Emberson
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Subject: | [off-topic] course and Heading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Michel just to confuse things a little more. I learnt to fly in Australia
and have never used course as part of my nav. terminology.
There was always TRACK orTrack Required i.e. the line on the map. HEADING -
where I am pointing the aircraft to achieve the required track, and TRACK
MADE GOOD (TMG) - that is, the actual track I achieve which sometimes
actually matches the line on the map. I can't recall using course as a part
of my nav. terminology even though Australia has a very British tradition in
these
things. I thinks it was Mark Twain who wrote of the British and Americans
as being "two nations divided by one language" but we are actually many
nations confused by one language. It's been a great discussion.
Kerry
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] course and Heading
>Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:26:31 +0100 (CET)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> > Thank you. It's been fun.
>
>Hey! Hang on, guys! I was wrong!
>Yesterday, as I went to bed with yet another load of books, I took another
>memorabilia from my father: The "Theory of instrument flying" from the US
>department of the Air Force, edition of April 1954, and there, at page 112,
>I read:
>"Definitions - True Course: True course is the course as measured on a map
>or chart from point of departure to destination."
>Then follows examples of worked out calculation of "true heading" based on
>the known "true course."
>
>Conclusion: At least, the US Air Force makes a difference between heading
>and course, and I stand corrected.
>
>Now, I'd like to ask our British friends if, today, they still used the
>R.A.F. terminology of course and track, or rather the US heading and
>course?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: course and Heading (off topic) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel wrote:
"It took me many years to understand the close relation they had.
In fact, I had to loose them both to really understand them. Isn't life
strange, sometimes?"
I'm glad that you have the opportunity to apply what you learned. Your "incoming"
grandson will be proud of you!!!
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> How about this Michel? And isn't it fun to ask?
Yes, it is, Kurt. Although it also makes me feel very sad. I just quoted to the
list, two books that belonged to my late father, the airman I never flew with.
He surely knew the answer as he was trained first in UK during WWII, then on
US aircraft (C-47, C-54, C-119) in the 50s.
I am sure that, at this moment of your life, you understand me, Kurt.
My father and I sailed together, though. But never very far. As a pilot, he liked
to come home early after a flight. His passion was ... my mother. It took me
many years to understand the close relation they had. In fact, I had to loose
them both to really understand them. Isn't life strange, sometimes?
Cheers,
Michel
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Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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Subject: | Re: [off-topic] course and Heading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Kerry Skyring wrote:
> There was always TRACK orTrack Required i.e. the line on the map. HEADING -
> where I am pointing the aircraft to achieve the required track, and TRACK
> MADE GOOD (TMG)
I am glad you mention it, Kerry. I was thinking to talk about the "course made
good" earlier but, thinking that it is more nautical, I left it aside among
this gathering of fine airmen.
As we agree that different English speaking nations have different ways to talk
about navigation, we shouldn't forget the fact that one doesn't always go from
the point of departure, to the point of destination.
When I sail and my destination is where the wind blows from, I have to tack,
i.e. sail sideways in zig-zag. As I sail on one tack or the other, with an
approximate angle to the wind of 45 degrees, my "speed made good" is about half
that of my "speed on the water." In other words, it will take me twice as long
to get there than if I had the wind on my beam or astern.
Likewise, my "course made good" (or "track made good," as you say) is the
course, at any point, to my destination. Also, it changes all the time. The
initial track, from departure (or, course, as our American friends call it) is
the same, but the "track made good" changes.
Likewise, if we fly from point to point, we may divert the course/track to say,
go around a Cb. So, we end up with three things:
1) The heading, or course: The direction in which the craft is pointing.
2) The course, or track: The direction in which the craft is going, relative to
the earth, and
3) The course-made-good or track-made-good: the direction in which the craft
should track/course in order to arrive at destination.
Does this makes sense? ... we'll get to it, guys, we'll get to it! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | [off-topic] grand-parenthood |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> I'm glad that you have the opportunity to apply what you learned.
> Your "incoming" grandson will be proud of you!!!
Muchas gracias, Jose. ... er, the last echography seems to indicate that my
grandson will be a granddaughter but ... I am just as happy! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: course and Heading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes Michel,
And in all these years my father never got to fly in a
plane that I was the pilot of. It was even more
improtant to have him ride with me in one I built too.
Unfortunately not all things came together at the
right moment for that to happen.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> > How about this Michel? And isn't it fun to ask?
>
> Yes, it is, Kurt. Although it also makes me feel
> very sad. I just quoted to the list, two books that
> belonged to my late father, the airman I never flew
> with. He surely knew the answer as he was trained
> first in UK during WWII, then on US aircraft (C-47,
> C-54, C-119) in the 50s.
>
> I am sure that, at this moment of your life, you
> understand me, Kurt.
> My father and I sailed together, though. But never
> very far. As a pilot, he liked to come home early
> after a flight. His passion was ... my mother. It
> took me many years to understand the close relation
> they had. In fact, I had to loose them both to
> really understand them. Isn't life strange,
> sometimes?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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06:30:16 PM,
Serialize complete at 03/04/2005 06:30:16 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Frankly, I found your comments refreshing. Over the last year I have
stunned by the comments from some people on this list who support Lance
and NSI. Nice to hear someone finally say out loud what a lot of people
know to be true. Lance is know far and wide as a liar at best, a crook at
worst. His recent posting about me was particularly disturbing. He is
telling everyone I idled my engine between 1600-1800 rpm for over 250 hrs,
causing the failure. He made that up. For the last several months I have
been asking for him to send me my prop back. I could recycle some of the
parts. He tried to get a deal with me whereby I put up a post that he
approved first...then he would send my prop back. I told him to shove it.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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06:36:43 PM,
Serialize complete at 03/04/2005 06:36:43 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
My last comment was meant for John Larson. I was responding to his
comment below. I sent it to the list in error. My appologies.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
I'm sorry if my comments implied that Peter was in some sort of a
conspiracy. It is just that I have been monitoring NSI list info for
over 8 years, and used to lurk on the private NSI list before you owners
went back to being part of this list. I am in no business except as
working as an engineer for Cival Dynamics in Nampa ID., writing articles
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Subject: | EIS/Rotax Tach Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I'm installing a Grand Rapids EIS with my Rotax 582. Does anyone
know which coil wire I sample for the EIS tach? Is it the yellow, or
yellow/black wire?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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Subject: | Rotax Oil Injection Tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
My K-IV/582 came with a 2l Nalgene bottle for an oil reservoir. It
has cracked and Skystar doesn't have any in stock; and I'm not really
hopeful that they'll come up with one soon. Does anyone have a
recommendation for a replacement?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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Subject: | Re: Rotax Oil Injection Tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
Guy,
You can get a 582 oil tank from Lockwood, LEAF (Leading Edge Airfoils), CPS,
and I imagine many other sources. I hope that's not 99% done and 99% to go
like mine.
Pete
> All,
> My K-IV/582 came with a 2l Nalgene bottle for an oil reservoir.
It
> has cracked and Skystar doesn't have any in stock; and I'm not really
> hopeful that they'll come up with one soon. Does anyone have a
> recommendation for a replacement?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
In a message dated 3/4/2005 6:47:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
turboflyer@comcast.net writes:
Rick this is Rick. I have a model 5 serial number 0009. Do you think this is
in the few?
Rick, Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think about the first 20 or
25 Series V aircraft were affected. Skystar would know for sure. I'll post
the 'bad' part number when I return home.
How adjustable is the manual control compared to the screw
actuator?
As I mentioned, have yet to fly, but IMHO the manual trim system appears to
be extremely superior in design compared to the electric trim. I think it's
going to be a no contest as to which is better. The manual trim retrofit
kit, while pricey, includes 2 good size trim tabs designed as an integral part
of a new elevator and control system. The control for the trim is an
adjustable friction lock lever mounted on the center console driving a telescoping
cable. The actuator is replaced with a fixed strut to hold the horizontal
stabilizer stable.
Do you have a source and PN for the new type actuator?
No. I just did a search on the Internet, but Skystar sells an actuator that
seems to have done the job and their price was competitive with those on the
Internet.
Could you
post a pic for all to see?
Yes, I'll do that when I return home later this week.
Rick Weiss
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Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel
Hmm....I sort of thought you might have equivilant suppliers over there.
Anyways, I think the pop rivet with the pin pulled out sounds cheaper.
(That is the RV method I hear.)
Jim Shumaker
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