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1. 04:36 AM - Classic IV Airframe on EBAY ()
2. 07:40 AM - Re: engine (Floran Higgins)
3. 09:42 AM - Re: EIS/Rotax Tach Installation (Marco Menezes)
4. 09:46 AM - Re: engine (william mills)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: SV: Static Ports (Kerry Skyring)
6. 10:34 AM - Re: engine (Clem Nichols)
7. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
8. 12:38 PM - Re: [off-topic] Terminology (Michel Verheughe)
9. 12:51 PM - Re: SV: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
10. 01:31 PM - Re: SV: SV: Static Ports (Torgeir Mortensen)
11. 02:13 PM - Re: SV: Static Ports (Torgeir Mortensen)
12. 02:30 PM - Dry Air Pump Installation (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
13. 02:40 PM - Re: SV: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
14. 03:39 PM - Re: SV: Static Ports (Torgeir Mortensen)
15. 07:28 PM - Re: [off-topic] Terminology (Randy Daughenbaugh)
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| Subject: | Classic IV Airframe on EBAY |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org>
There is an un-started classic IV airframe with gear on Ebay that is getting
no bidding action. It started at $2500 and that is where it still is. I
would think this would be a great place for someone to get started. I
believe this is over $10,000 if ordered from the factory. The item # is
4532030053
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I was there when they did the flyoff. They flew both airplanes both dual
and solo and side by side, and they took turns flying each other's airplane.
They also measured takeoff roll and landing roll. Other than that I don't
have anymore infromation. We were flying young eagles at the time so didn't
get much chance to watch the flyoff.
I have talked to this fellow from Pocatello several times at air shows. I am
sure he told me what his subaru installation was but I don't remember. Its
tough to get old. Your memory is the second thing to go. He seemed perfectly
happy with his airplane at that time.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Did he fly both planes? What was the empty weight of each plane? How was
> each plane equipped? Was it a turbo or non turbo Subaru? Why would he sell
> a
> perfectly good airframe when all he might need is a firewall forward
> conversion? Was something wrong with the suburban powered aircraft other
> than his engine choice that effected his choice? Something doesn't seem
> quite right here.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran
> Higgins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: engine
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
>
> There is a fellow in a nearby town that is a dealer for Rans airplanes. He
> has a Rans S-7 demostrater with a Rotax 912 ULS engine.
> There is another fellow from Pocatello, Idaho that has a Rans S-7 with a
> subaru engine. He comes to most of the flyins in Mont.
> I never flew his plane, but was allways impressed on how quiet it was when
> he flew over.
> He reciently came to Townsend and spent 1/2 day flying his subaru powered
> S-7 in comparison to the S-7 with the Rotex 912 ULS.
> He was so impressed with the difference in performance that he went back
> to
> Pocatello and sold his subaru powered model and bought another S-7 kit and
> is going to install a Rotex 912 ULS engine in it.
> Floran H.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EIS/Rotax Tach Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hi Gary. I've just been through the tach wiring thing. Use the gray wire if you
have one. If you don't or it doesn't work, tap into one of the 2 lighting coil
wires (thick yellow and yellow/black) that go to your rectifier. Leading Edge
techs say these will work too. I presume its the same for all tachs using ignition
pulse to count RPMs.
I put a 1K ohm resistor and a 500ma fuse in line between engine and tach for my
installation. Shielded the wiring against ignition noise too. Seems to work fine.
Marco Menezes
KF II N99KX
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
All,
I'm installing a Grand Rapids EIS with my Rotax 582. Does anyone
know which coil wire I sample for the EIS tach? Is it the yellow, or
yellow/black wire?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: william mills <courierboy@earthlink.net>
Rick -
The following is from the RANS S-7 list at yahoogroups.
It sheds light on Tom's experience with his Stratus soob -
and his reasons for getting a newer model Courier.
Bill
==================================================
From: "simko55" <simko55@y...>
I'm new to the group, but been around the Courier for a while. I
built my first in '94, powered it with a Stratus Soob, and enjoyed
1300 trouble free hours with it , finally all the little model
changes
added up to enough good things to make me sell it last fall and
a day and half latter I picked my new S7S kit up and have started
covering today (control surfaces). I'm going with a 912S this time
round, mostly to save time, I surely hope its as trouble free and
smooth as the Soob, its for sure more $$$.
Everyone on this group knows a Montague folding full size
mountain bike fits a Courier like they were made for each other,
right? At some point I will post some pictures of my expanded
baggage area (using aircraft plywood), cargo deck (which fits in
the rear seat area, quickly removable), and the aux baggage
door (it access's the bay between the main baggage area and
the stock battery access door. Of course its just good for light
stuff, but it does let me get at the ELT easier.
Tom Simko
=================================================
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>>
>> Did he fly both planes? What was the empty weight of each plane? How was
>> each plane equipped? Was it a turbo or non turbo Subaru? Why would he sell
>> a
>> perfectly good airframe when all he might need is a firewall forward
>> conversion? Was something wrong with the suburban powered aircraft other
>> than his engine choice that effected his choice? Something doesn't seem
>> quite right here.
>>
> > Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Just to say the static port discussion has been useful. Today we installed
the static port
in the left side tail position as described by one of the early postings. We
had the turned
aluminium fitting which goes on the outside of the fabric, made up an
aluminium plate to go
inside the fuselage, used fabric over it to protect the fuse fabric and then
riveted through
with 4 aluminium rivets. Luckily we had put an inspection panel on the under
side of the
fuselage there so all went well. When we are flying I will post the speeds
and see how
accurate we are.
Kerry (builders helper) S5 912S
PS this last 10% really takes a long time.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Floran:
Just out of curiosity, what is the first thing to go? :>)
Clem Nichols (64 and been there)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
>
> I was there when they did the flyoff. They flew both airplanes both dual
> and solo and side by side, and they took turns flying each other's
> airplane.
> They also measured takeoff roll and landing roll. Other than that I don't
> have anymore infromation. We were flying young eagles at the time so
> didn't
> get much chance to watch the flyoff.
> I have talked to this fellow from Pocatello several times at air shows. I
> am
> sure he told me what his subaru installation was but I don't remember. Its
> tough to get old. Your memory is the second thing to go. He seemed
> perfectly
> happy with his airplane at that time.
>
>
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>>
>> Did he fly both planes? What was the empty weight of each plane? How was
>> each plane equipped? Was it a turbo or non turbo Subaru? Why would he
>> sell
>> a
>> perfectly good airframe when all he might need is a firewall forward
>> conversion? Was something wrong with the suburban powered aircraft other
>> than his engine choice that effected his choice? Something doesn't seem
>> quite right here.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran
>> Higgins
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: engine
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
>>
>> There is a fellow in a nearby town that is a dealer for Rans airplanes.
>> He
>> has a Rans S-7 demostrater with a Rotax 912 ULS engine.
>> There is another fellow from Pocatello, Idaho that has a Rans S-7 with a
>> subaru engine. He comes to most of the flyins in Mont.
>> I never flew his plane, but was allways impressed on how quiet it was
>> when
>> he flew over.
>> He reciently came to Townsend and spent 1/2 day flying his subaru powered
>> S-7 in comparison to the S-7 with the Rotex 912 ULS.
>> He was so impressed with the difference in performance that he went back
>> to
>> Pocatello and sold his subaru powered model and bought another S-7 kit
>> and
>> is going to install a Rotex 912 ULS engine in it.
>> Floran H.
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
In a message dated 3/5/2005 9:53:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jimcarriere@yahoo.com writes:
On my own aircraft I did not drill into the tubes for these
brackets. Instead, I figured out a way to mechanically attach the
brackets using stainless steel hose clamps. I also bonded the
brackets.
Jim,
Ditto! I did the exact same thing! To ensure integrity, I used inspection
paint on the brackets/clamps to provide a quick look to see if there has been
any movement. I plan to check it during preflight or at some TBD interval
depending on accessibility. Any thoughts?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Milt's Kitfox Stuff wrote:
> I was trained as a US Air Force navigator.
Thank you Milt. I think we have found out that there is a different terminology
on each side of the Atlantic (and down-under). What I wonder, though, is: do
you use the notion: "Made good" as in: "Speed made good" and "course made good?"
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
jimshumaker wrote:
> Hmm....I sort of thought you might have equivilant suppliers over there.
> Anyways, I think the pop rivet with the pin pulled out sounds cheaper.
> (That is the RV method I hear.)
Thank you, Jim. Yes, I can, and have made a make-shift hole on my left side. I
went flying both yesterday and today. Beautiful weather here: CAVOK, timid but
warm sun, no wind, smooth ride in thick cold and motionless air, with a smooth
Jabiru; a dream!
But ... I still read a too high speed. Then I started checking my static line.
I read that, to check for leaks, you can carefully suck from the end then use
your tongue as a closing valve. You look at the instruments: Speed and altitude
should stay there, VVI, of course, goes back to 0 fpm. In my case, everything
goes back to 0, hence a leak. But where?
Then I suddenly lost comprehension. If the VVI dial goes back to 0, as it
should, it means that the instrument has a tiny hole that evens the pressure
after a while, right? But if it does that, how can I expect the pressure (or
rather, the under pressure) in the static line to stay the same?
Am I missing something? I certainly am and it is why I ask my good friends on
this list: what is your experience and where do you think my leak may come
from? FYI, the static line starts at the ASI, to the VVI, to the altimeter, to
the transponder altitude encoder, and aft to the tail.
I use 4 mm line and fittings that are made for that line. The system is
supposed to transfer pneumatic pressure up to 25 bars.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
Sorry for late reply.
If you use a "long" static line the vent port must increase in size, as
there is more "air volume" in your system. Did not think about the risk of
mud, but I've seen this on my tail too, but I'm not that often out in a
muddy field. :) Well, there might be a risk - but that double will help
here..
Torgeir.
> Yes, that's what I meant, Torgeir, although I don't have the handle that
> Alfred made for your plane, and mine is quite flush with the fuselage.
>
>> This position might be usable, but this tube can collect water -and
>> later
>> corrosion.
>
> True. But you say that the hole is no more than 0.5 mm? In that case,
> anything could do the job. I have just bought the instrument connectors
> (1/8") and T-connectors, plus ten meters of 4 mm pneumatic piping. I am
> all clear for the installation ... except the through-hull fitting near
> the tail. I could use just anything that will fit the 4mm pipe and a 0.5
> mm hull, right? I think I could easily make something out of aluminium.
> One thing, though: when I taxi on muddy ground, I see a lot of mud being
> projected on the tail from the prop wash. Mud could easily obstruct a
> 0.5 mm hull, isn't it?
> If I was to make that hole in the center of the transversal pipe, as I
> mentionned before, wouldn't it be more protected from dirt?
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
Her is a little list for you.
1)
You'll need to isolate the leakage, first find out if it is in the
instrument panel or in the lines. I'll guess that you have a brand new
line, so prob. that leakage is in the front.
2)
Just before starting removing anything, check your ASI for internal
leakage, -yes you'll need a very low pressure (be careful here) to see
that the bellow between the two chambers is airtight, no leakage allowed
here. This verify that inside the bellow is airtight.
Go to item 4, item 3 is for testing the ASI for a leakage.
3)
Then we need to check the outside of the bellow, the instrument housing.
Here we check that there is no leakage between the housing and outside,
this is the static port, also here be careful with pressure.
It's important that the static pressure used here is lover than our
current pressure, else the needle go backward just easy to ruin something
here. Use a long line to avoid "direct" high humidity into the
instrument. The pitot input must have positive pressure, same procc. with
a long line..
4)
Here we go if the airspeed is OK., we can now be sure that this is a
static leakage, right, you see a leaky airspeed ind. can act as a static
air leakage.
Lets assume it is in the front. Disconnect the static from the ASI (air
speed indicator), seal that line and make another test. The VSI (vertical
speed indicator or VVI vertical velocity indicator) has a built in
reference chamber. This camber bleed out (or fills up depending if we go
up or down), so you'll see its quite normal that the altimeter go up as it
should, then go a little back -this is due to the little "memory" chamber
inside the VSI.
When we make an altimeter test, we connect (or tie) the static and pitot
line together, but first we carry out the pitot part.
In your case, its best to disconnect the ASI to find this static leakage.
Well, you see it's not that difficult- just isolate that leakage I'm sure
you will.
Good luck.
Torgeir.
> But ... I still read a too high speed. Then I started checking my static
> line.
> I read that, to check for leaks, you can carefully suck from the end
> then use
> your tongue as a closing valve. You look at the instruments: Speed and
> altitude
> should stay there, VVI, of course, goes back to 0 fpm. In my case,
> everything
> goes back to 0, hence a leak. But where?
> Then I suddenly lost comprehension. If the VVI dial goes back to 0, as it
> should, it means that the instrument has a tiny hole that evens the
> pressure
> after a while, right? But if it does that, how can I expect the pressure
> (or
> rather, the under pressure) in the static line to stay the same?
> Am I missing something? I certainly am and it is why I ask my good
> friends on
> this list: what is your experience and where do you think my leak may
> come
> from? FYI, the static line starts at the ASI, to the VVI, to the
> altimeter, to
> the transponder altitude encoder, and aft to the tail.
> I use 4 mm line and fittings that are made for that line. The system is
> supposed to transfer pneumatic pressure up to 25 bars.
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| Subject: | Dry Air Pump Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Has anyone installed a RAPCO dry air pump on a Rotax? If so, there is a
gasket that goes on the flange of the pump, but does it go between the flange
and pump housing or between the flange and engine accessory pad?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Her is a little list for you.
Thank you, Torgeir. Yes, I will test my instruments for intern leak. But I
can't figure out how the VVI works. If it senses a difference of pressure
through the static line, moves up or down, then goes back to 0, it means that
the instrument has a restricted leak, doesn't it? In that case, the leak must
affect all the other instruments connected to the static line, doesn't it?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
Yes, it's a restricted (or rather metered) leakage into the "memory"
camber. The memory chamber is just a little accumulator with a calibrated
leakage between, -then we have the bellows connected in between..
Yes, when doing a test in a closed system the VSI or VVI have a little
influence, but in the air the instruments is connected to the open
atmosphere (the outside) filling up immediately. Here the extra "air" for
the little accumulator (inside the VVI) make no difference for the other
instruments.
Torgeir.
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:32:27 +0100, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>> Her is a little list for you.
>
> Thank you, Torgeir. Yes, I will test my instruments for intern leak. But
> I
> can't figure out how the VVI works. If it senses a difference of pressure
> through the static line, moves up or down, then goes back to 0, it means
> that
> the instrument has a restricted leak, doesn't it? In that case, the leak
> must
> affect all the other instruments connected to the static line, doesn't
> it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
This may be getting truly off topic while I feel that "course" , "track" ,
"heading" is on topic, but,,
I keep finding lots of things in language to complain about. During a
recent cold, I was congested so I figured I should take a decongestant. -
Pseudoephed Right? Nope. Turns out what I needed was an expectorant like
Liquibid or Guafinesin (sp?) Is it just me or doesn't it seem like a
decongestant would be for congestion?
Randy - Not congested now. Just confused.
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