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1. 01:33 AM - SV: SV: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:40 AM - SV: [off-topic] Terminology (Michel Verheughe)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: Window Tint on Polycabonate (W Duke)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) (Don Pearsall)
6. 07:58 AM - Re: Window Tint on Polycabonate (Rick)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: course and Heading (Steve Zakreski)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: SV: [off-topic] Terminology (kurt schrader)
9. 09:19 AM - Re: SV: [off-topic] Terminology (jdmcbean)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: SV: SV: Static Ports (kurt schrader)
11. 09:53 AM - Re: course and Heading (kurt schrader)
12. 10:00 AM - Wing rotating jig (jim cantrell)
13. 10:22 AM - Re: Wing rotating jig (kurt schrader)
14. 10:25 AM - Re: SV: [off-topic] Terminology (kurt schrader)
15. 10:57 AM - Re: Wing rotating jig (Tom Jones)
16. 11:02 AM - Model 2 bungee length (Marco Menezes)
17. 11:19 AM - Re: Model 2 bungee length (Michel Verheughe)
18. 11:34 AM - Re: Static Ports (Michel Verheughe)
19. 11:38 AM - Re: Window Tint on Polycabonate (W Duke)
20. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
21. 02:24 PM - Re: Wing rotating jig (Fred Shiple)
22. 05:37 PM - Re: Wing rotating jig (Jerry Liles)
23. 06:58 PM - Re: SV: [off-topic] Terminology (Steve Cooper)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> Yes, it's a restricted (or rather metered) leakage into the "memory"
> camber.
Thank you, Torgeir. It is really a priviledge to have people like you and others,
to answer my questions. I feel much safer knowing you're there, guys.
I think the "memory chamber" is also the reason e.g. the Blanik glider I share
hangar with, has thermos bottles in the fuselage, not for coffee but to increase
this "chamber" for their variometer, isn't it?
But, what I was wondering is if the "limited leak" from that chamber goes into
the cockpit or back in the static line.
If it goes into the cockpit via the body of the instrument, when then connect the
VVI at all on the static line? Unless it is a pressurized cockpit, the variation
of pressure will happen there, even if it is not equal to the outside pressure.
On the other hand, if that "leak" is going back in the static line, it surely influences
the other instruments, doesn't it? I mean: If I suck gently the air
at the end of the static line, after a few seconds, the pressure will be equal
again, won't it?
In any case, I'll do as you say, and check that each instrument is working ok,
i.e. they are not leaking individually.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Randy Daughenbaugh [rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
> Is it just me or doesn't it seem like a
> decongestant would be for congestion?
Languages can be paradoxical, Randy. Why do you need to go in the "Start" menu
to switch off your PC? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Window Tint on Polycabonate |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Jimmie,
I posted some photos a while back to Sportflight of an automotive sunscreen purchased at Wal Mart. You can't see through it so it feels like you are in a Cessna but in the summer the temperature difference is unbelievable and immediately noticeable when put it in place. There is no way tint will reflect as much heat but you cannot see through my solution. I live in Central Georgia and use it most of the summer. The L brackets in the photos (the only thing added to the airframe) are attached with silicone. The pictures are at http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=Add-Ons/Modifications . Scroll down to "sun screen".
Maxwell
Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
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The Texas sun is causing me to look for ways to do some sun blocking on the turtle
deck and the overhead part of the windshield. So, was wondering if anyone
had tried using automobile window tint on polycarbonate. My thought was to use
a bronze tint.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
I've tried to upload a photo of the actuator to Sportflight, but I wasn't
successful at doing it for some reason. If anyone would like the photo let me
know and I'll email it direct. The alleged defective actuator is a Warner
Electric, part number 812-17A16-04. If you have that actuator, take the
precautions necessary as outlined in Don's article or other builder's suggestions.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hello Rick,
Generally, the uploading software will not work right if there are
non-letter/number characters in the name, or the file is too big, or there
is already a file in the database with the same name. Send the photo to me,
and I will try to post it.
Don
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mdkitfox@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
I've tried to upload a photo of the actuator to Sportflight, but I wasn't
successful at doing it for some reason. If anyone would like the photo let
me
know and I'll email it direct. The alleged defective actuator is a Warner
Electric, part number 812-17A16-04. If you have that actuator, take the
precautions necessary as outlined in Don's article or other builder's
suggestions.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Window Tint on Polycabonate |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Be cautious of silicon; some types are corrosive. Just a heads up.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of W Duke
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Window Tint on Polycabonate
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Jimmie,
I posted some photos a while back to Sportflight of an automotive
sunscreen purchased at Wal Mart. You can't see through it so it feels like
you are in a Cessna but in the summer the temperature difference is
unbelievable and immediately noticeable when put it in place. There is no
way tint will reflect as much heat but you cannot see through my solution.
I live in Central Georgia and use it most of the summer. The L brackets in
the photos (the only thing added to the airframe) are attached with
silicone. The pictures are at
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=Add-Ons/
Modifications . Scroll down to "sun screen".
Maxwell
Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
The Texas sun is causing me to look for ways to do some sun blocking on the
turtle deck and the overhead part of the windshield. So, was wondering if
anyone had tried using automobile window tint on polycarbonate. My thought
was to use a bronze tint.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | course and Heading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Dammit Kurt...how do you KNOW this stuff?!
>Webster learned over 20 languages while writing his first dictionary.
SteveZ
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: course and Heading
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
How about this Michel? And isn't it fun to ask?
You chose a (magnetic) heading to fly a track that
hopefully puts you on the course that you marked on
your map. If you are off course, you change the
heading to cause your track to intercept the course
you planned and drew on the map.
To compute the heading you need to fly to stay on
course, you correct heading for compass error, the
offset of the earths magnetic poles, and the wind.....
You then fly the heading and hopefully the plane
tracks the course.
Or you just look out the window and "go there".
That was fun, but you already got some great correct
answers. And you are right too. NATO has not
standardized all these terms worldwide, so our
definitions may vary. Just like QNH, QNE and QFE.
When you get an altimeter setting, you need to know if
you are going to land at field elevation above sea
level, or zero. We are not standardized on that
either.
Before Webster standardized words in the US, people
wrote things the way they talked in their regions.
Davie Crocket went out to walk his "dawg". People in
Texas would drill for "erl"... ;-) And they spelled
it that way... Well, not "erl". We had dictionaries
by then, but you get the idea. (Webster learned over
20 languages while writing his first dictionary.)
Do not archive
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
When I was a teen, I learned that it was hard to
explain to a Eurpoean how you chop a tree down, then
"chop it up".
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Randy Daughenbaugh [rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
> > Is it just me or doesn't it seem like a
> > decongestant would be for congestion?
>
> Languages can be paradoxical, Randy. Why do you need
> to go in the "Start" menu to switch off your PC?
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Kurt,
I haven't heard that since I was a teen...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Terminology
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
When I was a teen, I learned that it was hard to
explain to a Eurpoean how you chop a tree down, then
"chop it up".
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Randy Daughenbaugh [rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
> > Is it just me or doesn't it seem like a
> > decongestant would be for congestion?
>
> Languages can be paradoxical, Randy. Why do you need
> to go in the "Start" menu to switch off your PC?
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Michel,
Think of it this way. You have a diaphram with a
closed chamber on both sides. One chamber is
connected to the static source. The other is sealed.
As the static pressure increases, it pushes the
diaphram against the other chamber's steady pressure.
As the static pressure decreases, the other chamber's
pressure pushes against the diaphram and static
pressure on the other side.
If there is a small leak in the diaphram, and the
static pressure stops changing, the other chamber's
pressures will eventually equal the static pressure.
Of course the diaphram moves the VSI needle and it
only moves from zero when the static pressure changes.
It lags behind a little when you level out as the
leak pressure catches up to the static pressure.
Only enough air moves into the other (memory chamber)
to fill it to equal static pressure. It doesn't go
anywhere else. If the memory chamber is small, it
will only show a leak for a moment until the VSI goes
to zero. But you should get a drop in altitude that
remains with increased static pressure, or a degrease
in altitude that remains with static source suction.
It should not show a leak and return to the origional
altitude on your altimeter.
I recommend using a hose with water in it shaped like
a "U" attached to the static source where it would
connect to your static vent at the rear of your plane.
You raise the hose end a little using gravity to push
the water up the "U" a bit toward the static pipe to
give more static pressure, or drop the hose a little
to produce suction. This keeps you from damaging the
instruments with too big a change and you can keep the
hose steady for a steady reading. If there is no
leak, it should show an increase in altitude with the
hose raised, or a decrease in altitude with the hose
lowered. The altitude should not return to your start
altitude unless there is a leak.
Same but opposite direction with static pressure
changes for airspeed.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> > Yes, it's a restricted (or rather metered) leakage
> into the "memory"
> > camber.
>
> Thank you, Torgeir. It is really a priviledge to
> have people like you and others, to answer my
> questions. I feel much safer knowing you're there,
> guys.
>
> I think the "memory chamber" is also the reason e.g.
> the Blanik glider I share hangar with, has thermos
> bottles in the fuselage, not for coffee but to
> increase this "chamber" for their variometer, isn't
> it?
>
> But, what I was wondering is if the "limited leak"
> from that chamber goes into the cockpit or back in
> the static line.
>
> If it goes into the cockpit via the body of the
> instrument, when then connect the VVI at all on the
> static line? Unless it is a pressurized cockpit, the
> variation of pressure will happen there, even if it
> is not equal to the outside pressure.
>
> On the other hand, if that "leak" is going back in
> the static line, it surely influences the other
> instruments, doesn't it? I mean: If I suck gently
> the air at the end of the static line, after a few
> seconds, the pressure will be equal again, won't it?
>
> In any case, I'll do as you say, and check that each
> instrument is working ok, i.e. they are not leaking
> individually.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | course and Heading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I read very little fiction, which means I don't get
the newspapers either. :-) I read mostly to learn
and enjoy that. I like reality and usually don't look
to escape it, but sometimes reality can be
disheartening too. Then I watch "Star Wars".
But as you know, flying is a great relief while still
being real. The GREAT ESCAPE! we all enjoy. :-)
Oh, the dictionary isn't a great read. No plot. :-(
Kurt S.
--- Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Dammit Kurt...how do you KNOW this stuff?!
>
> >Webster learned over 20 languages while writing his
> first dictionary.
>
> SteveZ
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| Subject: | Wing rotating jig |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jim cantrell <jcant1@direcway.com>
Where can I find info on wing rotating jig for series 5 wing.
Jim C.
Series 5 TD 50%
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rotating jig |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Jim,
I just made one for cheap using plastic pipe and
2x6's. You need 2 "T"'s, 4-90 degree elbows, and a
length of straight pipe. If I remember, it is 2"
plastic pipe, but you need to check that. It friction
slips into the spar ends, but I cut "V"s into the pipe
ends to allow for wing fittings, etc. You put a "T"
along each pipe between the spar inserts and run a
pipe off the "T" outward to be the axis to rotate
around. Make stands to your liking with 2x6's,
plywood, etc to hold the pipe. Scrap from your SS
shipping container can be used here.
The whole thing wouldn't cost $20 at most if you have
to buy wood, and you get lots of use from it.
Kurt S.
--- jim cantrell <jcant1@direcway.com> wrote:
>
> Where can I find info on wing rotating jig for
> series 5 wing.
> Jim C.
> Series 5 TD 50%
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Now I feel better because you are a lot younger than
me.
Kurt S.
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--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> Kurt,
> I haven't heard that since I was a teen...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rotating jig |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
jim cantrell wrote:
> Where can I find info on wing rotating jig for series 5 wing.
> Jim C.
> Series 5 TD 50%
> Do not archive
Jim, here's a link to a picture of the PVC type.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1009991609
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Model 2 bungee length |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Turns out that bungees get stretched from just sitting. Can anybody tell me how
long fresh bungees should be, loop to loop, for a model 2?
Marco Menezes
N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Model 2 bungee length |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Marco Menezes wrote:
> Turns out that bungees get stretched from just sitting. Can anybody tell me how
long fresh bungees should be, loop to loop, for a model 2?
From my builder's logbook, and for a model 3, it is 140 cm (4.27 ft), Marco.
That is: not stretched and from eye to eye. Double check with a model 2 owner,
please.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> If there is a small leak in the diaphram, and the
> static pressure stops changing, the other chamber's
> pressures will eventually equal the static pressure.
Aha! I start to see the light at the end of the tunnel, if you'll excuse my
metaphor, Kurt! :-)
But then, it is like sucking the air out of a Coke bottle, through a very small
hole. You suck on say, a straw, and feel an immediate under-pressure. But then,
it diminishes until the rather large volume in the bottle has gone down. You do
it again, and again, until the total volume of air, the straw AND the Coke
bottle have a low pressure that keeps the tip of your tongue glued on the
straw's end.
... Did I mention that you have to drink the Coke first or use an empty bottle?
:-)
Anyway, if the said memory chamber has some volume, it is then not strange that
I see the altimeter and VSI go down after the first suck ... if you follow my
drift, partner! :-)
Therefore the need to suck several times, unless ...
> I recommend using a hose with water in it shaped like
> a "U" attached to the static source
Excellent idea! I'll do that. Thanks Kurt.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: At which stage do I "chop it up," then? :-)
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| Subject: | Window Tint on Polycabonate |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Agreed. The silicone is between plastic and the non structural aluminum angle
that covers the rear carry through tube. The angle was powder coated prior applying
the silicone.
Maxwell
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Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
Be cautious of silicon; some types are corrosive. Just a heads up.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of W Duke
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Window Tint on Polycabonate
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
Jimmie,
I posted some photos a while back to Sportflight of an automotive
sunscreen purchased at Wal Mart. You can't see through it so it feels like
you are in a Cessna but in the summer the temperature difference is
unbelievable and immediately noticeable when put it in place. There is no
way tint will reflect as much heat but you cannot see through my solution.
I live in Central Georgia and use it most of the summer. The L brackets in
the photos (the only thing added to the airframe) are attached with
silicone. The pictures are at
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=Add-Ons/
Modifications . Scroll down to "sun screen".
Maxwell
Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
The Texas sun is causing me to look for ways to do some sun blocking on the
turtle deck and the overhead part of the windshield. So, was wondering if
anyone had tried using automobile window tint on polycarbonate. My thought
was to use a bronze tint.
Jimmie
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Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Pitch Trim (was Jackscrew) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Hi Don,
Here's the photo. I figured the 5.0mb version was too large so I retook it
at 1.2mb, but it still didn't upload. I'm sure the name has a combination of
letters and numbers so that must be it. Your help is appreciated.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rotating jig |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Jim,
Aircraft Spruce sells a "wing rotator" for $180. It
works well- I was lucky and was able to borrow
one.Tom's PVC jig will work as well and is obviously
much more cost effective.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rotating jig |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I made a wing support jig from PVC very similar to Tom's with the
addition of a universal joint that allowed the wing to be easily
rotated, lifted, and pivoted. There is an illustration at this url
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1022339700
Jerry Liles
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Horse?....dead!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: SV: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Terminology
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Kurt,
I haven't heard that since I was a teen...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Terminology
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
When I was a teen, I learned that it was hard to
explain to a Eurpoean how you chop a tree down, then
"chop it up".
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Randy Daughenbaugh [rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
> > Is it just me or doesn't it seem like a
> > decongestant would be for congestion?
>
> Languages can be paradoxical, Randy. Why do you need
> to go in the "Start" menu to switch off your PC?
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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