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1. 04:14 AM - Florida Trip (Fox5flyer)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: Florida Trip (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: twisted wire or elec connectors (jareds)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: Florida Trip (jareds)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: Loose Spar Cap (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: Loose Spar Cap (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
7. 07:51 AM - Re: twisted wire or elec connectors (Rick)
8. 08:23 AM - Re: Florida Trip (Fred Shiple)
9. 09:50 AM - Capacitor (jareds)
10. 10:23 AM - Re: Loose Spar Cap (Michel Verheughe)
11. 10:31 AM - Re: Loose Spar Cap (Fox5flyer)
12. 10:31 AM - Re: Florida Trip (Fox5flyer)
13. 10:45 AM - AW: Florida Trip (Werner Keiper)
14. 10:47 AM - Re: Capacitor (Torgeir Mortensen)
15. 11:05 AM - Re: Florida Trip (Torgeir Mortensen)
16. 11:36 AM - Re: Capacitor (kurt schrader)
17. 11:49 AM - Re: Florida Trip (kurt schrader)
18. 12:59 PM - mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb gw) (Roberto Canino)
19. 12:59 PM - Re: Airfoil Coordinates (Michel Gordillo)
20. 01:19 PM - Re: Florida Trip (Fox5flyer)
21. 02:48 PM - Re: Capacitor (dwight purdy)
22. 03:40 PM - Re: Florida Trip (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
23. 05:28 PM - Florida Trip (Jeffrey Puls)
24. 05:34 PM - Re: Florida Trip (Steve Zakreski)
25. 08:08 PM - Re: Capacitor (jareds)
26. 08:13 PM - Re: mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb gw) (jareds)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm flying commercial from Flint
Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at bringing N24ZM home where she's
hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto. Hopefully I'll be heading back up
by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty fickle up here, but currently
it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things are looking up? :-) My
route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta, Knoxville, Cincinatti,
Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near Alpena.
My thanks to those who have offered their services along the way. My gas
stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by weather and fuel burn and
I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day. That's probably being a
bit optomistic though, but I've always been told that I'm an eternal
optomist.
Wish me luck!
Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Have a good one, Deke....
Lynn
On Friday, March 11, 2005, at 07:13 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm flying commercial from
> Flint
> Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at bringing N24ZM home where
> she's
> hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto. Hopefully I'll be heading
> back up
> by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty fickle up here, but
> currently
> it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things are looking up? :-)
> My
> route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta, Knoxville,
> Cincinatti,
> Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near Alpena.
> My thanks to those who have offered their services along the way. My
> gas
> stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by weather and fuel
> burn and
> I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day. That's probably
> being a
> bit optomistic though, but I've always been told that I'm an eternal
> optomist.
> Wish me luck!
> Deke
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: twisted wire or elec connectors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Thanks Torgeir.
I was wondering if someone would comment on this one. I just replaced
my inst panel with a new configuration and ditched my transponder now
that I am not in DC, plus removed my engine for a water pump shaft seal
replacement. Nearly 1/4 of my connectors had problems. Squashed ends>
loose or brittle areas where connector was attached to wire were all
points of failure but anywhere where i was lazy and just twisted them
together and put heat shrink or that great liquid tape they were
perfect. Granted I like my connectors on the panel for quick detachment
to do minor work on the kitchen table but on ignition wires where i have
plenty of length I certainly don't want a point of failure.
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>See below.
>
>On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:26:04 -0800, jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>Don't recall this discussion on the board but sure someone pondered it.
>>Had to take engine out and some of the electrical connectors were
>>squashed on the ends of the ignition wires but barely hangin on. Is
>>twisting better with some liquid tape??
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hi Jared,
>
>
>Well, if this is for an "emergency" repair, twisting would be ok., but use
>"heat shrink" with glue. For a more permanent setup, I would use some kind
>of connector. The Mil. type can be found in any rating and size, but they
>are much to heavy - much to expensive etc.. Twisting would also be OK. as
>a permanent solution, however, every time the engine go out - your wire
>length decrease :( .
>
>
>I would use the AMP Mate-N-Lock, the UL94V-XX. XX would be your
>selection of number of pins, female or male. etc. The pins are rated up
>to 15 Amps, (handle AWG 22 - AWG 14).
>
>Those connectors is light weight and is priced right!! They are open,
>water can go in, so- use uphill "method" and a large heat shrink tube,
>this time without heat treatment just some straps and you'll be fine.
>
>You'll need some tool for crimping those pins, and the original are
>expensive. However, I know that some chapters around have tools members
>can borrow.
>
>Here you'll find some crimping tools, as the B-Crimp "Medium" wire Open
>Barrel.
>
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?9X358218#BCT-
>
>Here is a little more info about the type of connector, they look very
>like the UL94V - but are not. The kind shown in Bob N's web site is 0.093
>pins and can hold 11 Amps.
>
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/matenlok/matenlok.html
>
>
>Hope this help.
>
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
What a blast this sounds. Pack a tent and enjoy the ride!
Fox5flyer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm flying commercial from Flint
>Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at bringing N24ZM home where she's
>hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto. Hopefully I'll be heading back up
>by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty fickle up here, but currently
>it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things are looking up? :-) My
>route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta, Knoxville, Cincinatti,
>Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near Alpena.
>My thanks to those who have offered their services along the way. My gas
>stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by weather and fuel burn and
>I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day. That's probably being a
>bit optomistic though, but I've always been told that I'm an eternal
>optomist.
>Wish me luck!
>Deke
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loose Spar Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 3/10/2005 5:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mike.couillard@tekstarllc.com writes:
Is West System comparable or better than the 3M Product? Advantage to
using it vs the other? Thanks
I couldn't really say which is best. They have two different purposes.
West is used to lay up fiberglass cloth. If you intent to use it as a paste
similar to 3M, you will have to add powder additives to the mix. Based on all
that, I'd use 3M or similar stuff. Another local hardware epoxy that seems
good is PC7 from ACE.
West is rather expensive and it's a good idea to purchase the calibrated
pumps for each can (Resin/Catylyst). West is not a 50/50 mix so the pumps
keep you straight on getting a good ratio. BTW, West will also kick your hind
end if you ever become sensitized to the product. Just last week, I mixed
up one batch to put on my sons boat. He did all the work. Since then, I have
been laid up for three days with massive face swelling, skin peeling and
even bleeding. I need to learn to stay away from the stuff.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Loose Spar Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 3/10/2005 5:42:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes:
They're both good, but I think the biggest advantage to the West Systems is
that it's mixed 50/50. Much easier.
Deke
Deke,
I think that's backwards. West is not 50/50 mix
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| Subject: | twisted wire or elec connectors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I have been told that the crimp ends are better than a soldered end unless
the soldered end was done under very close heat and tec conditions. I know
you were referring to the twisted vs. crimped. You can over crimp a
connector and wire. As a reference on commercial airliners they don't as a
rule solider, they crimp. Less fatigue at the junction of wire and terminal.
So I guess a good twisted is better than a bad crimp or poor solder. I
personally could not do the twisted thing unless I was putting in my first 4
track tape player in my rambler, which I did. :) Quality connectors crimped
are best.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: twisted wire or elec connectors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Thanks Torgeir.
I was wondering if someone would comment on this one. I just replaced
my inst panel with a new configuration and ditched my transponder now
that I am not in DC, plus removed my engine for a water pump shaft seal
replacement. Nearly 1/4 of my connectors had problems. Squashed ends>
loose or brittle areas where connector was attached to wire were all
points of failure but anywhere where i was lazy and just twisted them
together and put heat shrink or that great liquid tape they were
perfect. Granted I like my connectors on the panel for quick detachment
to do minor work on the kitchen table but on ignition wires where i have
plenty of length I certainly don't want a point of failure.
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>See below.
>
>On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:26:04 -0800, jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>Don't recall this discussion on the board but sure someone pondered it.
>>Had to take engine out and some of the electrical connectors were
>>squashed on the ends of the ignition wires but barely hangin on. Is
>>twisting better with some liquid tape??
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hi Jared,
>
>
>Well, if this is for an "emergency" repair, twisting would be ok., but use
>"heat shrink" with glue. For a more permanent setup, I would use some kind
>of connector. The Mil. type can be found in any rating and size, but they
>are much to heavy - much to expensive etc.. Twisting would also be OK. as
>a permanent solution, however, every time the engine go out - your wire
>length decrease :( .
>
>
>I would use the AMP Mate-N-Lock, the UL94V-XX. XX would be your
>selection of number of pins, female or male. etc. The pins are rated up
>to 15 Amps, (handle AWG 22 - AWG 14).
>
>Those connectors is light weight and is priced right!! They are open,
>water can go in, so- use uphill "method" and a large heat shrink tube,
>this time without heat treatment just some straps and you'll be fine.
>
>You'll need some tool for crimping those pins, and the original are
>expensive. However, I know that some chapters around have tools members
>can borrow.
>
>Here you'll find some crimping tools, as the B-Crimp "Medium" wire Open
>Barrel.
>
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?9X358218#BCT-
>
>Here is a little more info about the type of connector, they look very
>like the UL94V - but are not. The kind shown in Bob N's web site is 0.093
>pins and can hold 11 Amps.
>
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/matenlok/matenlok.html
>
>
>Hope this help.
>
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Have a safe trip and let me know when you'll reach
Toledo.
Fred
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
On my model IV I have the capacitor that I forget the purpose it
serves. I've always had a battery drain problem but couldnt seem to
narrow it down. On the secondary side of my solenoid there was always
.5 volts. Not enough to trip the solenoid but always there, i assumed
from the cap. Disconnecting my capacitor dropped all back to zero which
makes sense but i am wondering how some of you have the capacitor hooked
up and aside from bad grounding whether the cap wired incorrectly is
what might be causing this?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loose Spar Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> West is not 50/50 mix
At least, not the usual type that you can buy here. West System epoxy mixes at
the ratio of 1 to 5, with convenient pumps that does the job for you. West
System was primary developed for the yacht building business. It is a low
viscosity epoxy that impregnates very easily wood. One of its typical use is in
the "cold baking" technique of layering thin ply veneer bounded in epoxy. It is
the favourite method of building a "one-off" yacht that has to be light and
strong. West System is also used, of course, with any type of glassfiber,
carbonfiber or mylar cloth.
It doesn't produce any gas when curing and has a long shelf life. I still have
some that is 15 years old and apart of a yellowing of the catalyser, it could
still be used.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: "Cold baking" is the traduction of the Norwegian word. Maybe you say
something different in the US. BTW, the technique was developped in the 30s,
for seaplane floats. But they didn't used epoxy at the time, of course.
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| Subject: | Re: Loose Spar Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You're right Don. I don't know where my head was unless I was thinking of
Aeropoxy.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Deke
>
> They're both good, but I think the biggest advantage to the West Systems
is
> that it's mixed 50/50. Much easier.
> Deke
>
>
> Deke,
> I think that's backwards. West is not 50/50 mix
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Will do Fred. Thanks.
D
>
> Have a safe trip and let me know when you'll reach
> Toledo.
> Fred
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper" <Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de>
Dear Deke,
have a save and nice trip back ! I wish you good weather.
Werner
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Fox5flyer
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mrz 2005 13:14
An: Kitfox List
Betreff: Kitfox-List: Florida Trip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
--> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm flying commercial from Flint
Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at bringing N24ZM home where she's
hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto. Hopefully I'll be heading back up
by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty fickle up here, but currently
it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things are looking up? :-) My
route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta, Knoxville, Cincinatti,
Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near Alpena.
My thanks to those who have offered their services along the way. My gas
stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by weather and fuel burn and
I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day. That's probably being a
bit optomistic though, but I've always been told that I'm an eternal
optomist.
Wish me luck!
Deke
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Jared,
This was interesting. Can you describe how/where the cap was connected?
Even if the cap was faulty, it can't introduce such a fault. I'm quite
sure the way it's connected made the problem.
When you say secondary, did you mean the equipment side? Is there 0.5 V
present at this side?
Well, lets assume that the primary is where the battery is connected, here
it's always 12 VDC (the battery voltage).
The big capacitor is to remove/reduce ripple and spikes, this cap is often
named reservoir capacitor. So in practice this is a kind of filtering
device for all our added electronics. There is also another "primary"
function for this capacitor, lets say that your Fox is equipped with a
battery master switch and a generator switch. Say that you loose your
battery power, I.E. the battery is disconnected from the bus by some
reason, could be intentionally or by a fault. OK., when the battery is
disconnected, this capacitor make sure that there is no high energy ripple
present, such ripple can jam out your radio and intercom.
Torgeir.
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:53:23 -0800, jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> On my model IV I have the capacitor that I forget the purpose it
> serves. I've always had a battery drain problem but couldnt seem to
> narrow it down. On the secondary side of my solenoid there was always
> .5 volts. Not enough to trip the solenoid but always there, i assumed
> from the cap. Disconnecting my capacitor dropped all back to zero which
> makes sense but i am wondering how some of you have the capacitor hooked
> up and aside from bad grounding whether the cap wired incorrectly is
> what might be causing this?
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Wow Deke,
Had to find my atlas to find out a little more, this is really a long way
to go in a Kitfox, from 32 deg to 45 deg (approx.) - around 800 Nautical
Miles !
Have a nice trip home.
Good luck.
Torgeir.
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:13:36 -0500, Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm flying commercial from Flint
> Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at bringing N24ZM home where
> she's
> hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto. Hopefully I'll be heading back
> up
> by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty fickle up here, but
> currently
> it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things are looking up? :-)
> My
> route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta, Knoxville, Cincinatti,
> Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near Alpena.
> My thanks to those who have offered their services along the way. My gas
> stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by weather and fuel burn
> and
> I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day. That's probably being
> a
> bit optomistic though, but I've always been told that I'm an eternal
> optomist.
> Wish me luck!
> Deke
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Jareds,
It sounds like you have this capacitor on the battery
bus and not the ignition?
Right off I'd say disconnect the capacitor and fly
with it like that for a bit. See if you have any
problems like radio or intercom noise. If not, take
the thing out.
If you do have noise problems with the capacitor
disconnected, you might need a new one. They can leak
(or even short out) so it might be wired properly and
just be old. I think all of them leak just a little,
but 0.5 volts might mean it is weakening and can run
your battery down. If you find you need one there,
you might try a new one and put a fuse in the circuit
for protection too, in case it did short later.
You know how the capacitor wines when you charge your
camera flash, or when your plane strobes charge
between flashs? That is normal, but sometimes you
hear that wine from your TV too. That usually means a
leaking capacitor, if I remember correctly. It is not
that uncommon for them to do it. You probably caught
it early before failure. :-)
That is my experience anyway.
Kurt S.
--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> On my model IV I have the capacitor that I forget
> the purpose it serves. I've always had a
> battery drain problem but couldnt seem to
> narrow it down. On the secondary side of my
> solenoid there was always .5 volts. Not enough to
> trip the solenoid but always there, i assumed
> from the cap. Disconnecting my capacitor dropped
> all back to zero which makes sense but i am
> wondering how some of you have the capacitor hooked
> up and aside from bad grounding whether the cap
> wired incorrectly is what might be causing this?
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes, he is doing about 1/2 an Alaska trip by himself.
And it may be 23 degrees C when he leaves Florida and
-5 C when he gets home a day later. An adventure in
itself.
Have fun Deke! If something looks thorny up ahead,
stop and smell the roses.
Kurt S.
--- Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> wrote:
> Wow Deke,
>
> Had to find my atlas to find out a little more, this
> is really a long way to go in a Kitfox, from 32 deg
> to 45 deg (approx.) - around 800 Nautical Miles !
>
> Have a nice trip home.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:13:36 -0500, Fox5flyer
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm
> flying commercial from Flint
> > Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at
> bringing N24ZM home where
> > she's
> > hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto.
> Hopefully I'll be heading back
> > up
> > by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty
> fickle up here, but
> > currently
> > it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things
> are looking up? :-)
> > My
> > route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta,
> Knoxville, Cincinatti,
> > Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near
> Alpena.
> > My thanks to those who have offered their services
> along the way. My gas
> > stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by
> weather and fuel burn
> > and
> > I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day.
> That's probably being
> > a
> > bit optomistic though, but I've always been told
> that I'm an eternal
> > optomist.
> > Wish me luck!
> > Deke
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| Subject: | mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb gw) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
Could anyone who has modified a 1050 lb gw model IV to handle the increased gross
weight of 1200 lbs. detail the neccessary modifications? I already have Grove
gear on my model IV.
Thanks,
B
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Coordinates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
Airfoil is a GA 30-612.
I am sending you the coordinates on a jpeg file attached.
Michel ( Spain)
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Airfoil Coordinates
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" <>
>
> Does anyone have the coordinates for the airfoil used on the model IV?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mark Napier
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
This is a summer to winter in a day trip so I plan to watch the weather very
carefully along the way. The fronts move fast this time of year and nothing
stays the same for very long. Total distance is nearly 1200 statute miles
so plenty of time for things to happen. I'm planning fuel stops every three
hours, but don't know where those stops will be until I find out what the
winds will be doing. A 20 mph tailwind would get me all the way home in a
day! Not much chance of that though.
Deke
37f, ovc, S-
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Trip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Yes, he is doing about 1/2 an Alaska trip by himself.
> And it may be 23 degrees C when he leaves Florida and
> -5 C when he gets home a day later. An adventure in
> itself.
>
> Have fun Deke! If something looks thorny up ahead,
> stop and smell the roses.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> wrote:
>
> > Wow Deke,
> >
> > Had to find my atlas to find out a little more, this
> > is really a long way to go in a Kitfox, from 32 deg
> > to 45 deg (approx.) - around 800 Nautical Miles !
> >
> > Have a nice trip home.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:13:36 -0500, Fox5flyer
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >
> > > Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm
> > flying commercial from Flint
> > > Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at
> > bringing N24ZM home where
> > > she's
> > > hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto.
> > Hopefully I'll be heading back
> > > up
> > > by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty
> > fickle up here, but
> > > currently
> > > it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things
> > are looking up? :-)
> > > My
> > > route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta,
> > Knoxville, Cincinatti,
> > > Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near
> > Alpena.
> > > My thanks to those who have offered their services
> > along the way. My gas
> > > stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by
> > weather and fuel burn
> > > and
> > > I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day.
> > That's probably being
> > > a
> > > bit optomistic though, but I've always been told
> > that I'm an eternal
> > > optomist.
> > > Wish me luck!
> > > Deke
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
May be off base but when I had my battery out I still had voltage showing.
I believe from a cap. in the
rotax 503. Of course it was gone after grounding it out. Had to be one
somewhere.
Dwight
At 07:51 PM 3/11/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>Hi Jared,
>
>This was interesting. Can you describe how/where the cap was connected?
>Even if the cap was faulty, it can't introduce such a fault. I'm quite
>sure the way it's connected made the problem.
>
>When you say secondary, did you mean the equipment side? Is there 0.5 V
>present at this side?
>
>Well, lets assume that the primary is where the battery is connected, here
>it's always 12 VDC (the battery voltage).
>
>The big capacitor is to remove/reduce ripple and spikes, this cap is often
>named reservoir capacitor. So in practice this is a kind of filtering
>device for all our added electronics. There is also another "primary"
>function for this capacitor, lets say that your Fox is equipped with a
>battery master switch and a generator switch. Say that you loose your
>battery power, I.E. the battery is disconnected from the bus by some
>reason, could be intentionally or by a fault. OK., when the battery is
>disconnected, this capacitor make sure that there is no high energy ripple
>present, such ripple can jam out your radio and intercom.
>
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:53:23 -0800, jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> >
> > On my model IV I have the capacitor that I forget the purpose it
> > serves. I've always had a battery drain problem but couldnt seem to
> > narrow it down. On the secondary side of my solenoid there was always
> > .5 volts. Not enough to trip the solenoid but always there, i assumed
> > from the cap. Disconnecting my capacitor dropped all back to zero which
> > makes sense but i am wondering how some of you have the capacitor hooked
> > up and aside from bad grounding whether the cap wired incorrectly is
> > what might be causing this?
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
<<Had to find my atlas to find out a little more, this is really a long way
to go in a Kitfox, from 32 deg to 45 deg (approx.) - around 800 Nautical
Miles !>>
Torgeir,
Nothing to it. It's like going around the pattern 800 times.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Deke,
Take pictures so we can re-live the trip.
Jeffrey Puls
pulsair@mindspring.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
800nm. Aaa....tis nutin! ;-)
Have fun Deke, and report back. Fly safe.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Trip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Wow Deke,
Had to find my atlas to find out a little more, this is really a long way
to go in a Kitfox, from 32 deg to 45 deg (approx.) - around 800 Nautical
Miles !
Have a nice trip home.
Good luck.
Torgeir.
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:13:36 -0500, Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Good morning folks. This coming Tuesday I'm flying commercial from Flint
> Michigan to Tampa FL to have another go at bringing N24ZM home where
> she's
> hangared at Manatee airport in Palmetto. Hopefully I'll be heading back
> up
> by Thursday 17th. The weather is still pretty fickle up here, but
> currently
> it's 4f with clear skies and calm so maybe things are looking up? :-)
> My
> route will be pretty much direct up near Atlanta, Knoxville, Cincinatti,
> Toledo, then finally home in NE Michigan near Alpena.
> My thanks to those who have offered their services along the way. My gas
> stops are flexible and will be dictated mostly by weather and fuel burn
> and
> I'm hoping to make if as far as Toledo first day. That's probably being
> a
> bit optomistic though, but I've always been told that I'm an eternal
> optomist.
> Wish me luck!
> Deke
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
torgeir and kurt
Vaguely i remember an explanation like that before but not as descriptive.
Yes by secondary I mean it is after the solenoid actuated by inst panel
master on the side where all my instraments are.
Cap runs through a breaker and has one side connected to ground and the
other side to the posotive strip. That is where the .5 volts resides
and disappears when i disconnect cap.
With my resistor plugs and everything grounded seperately i have little
noise in my microair.
Is the consensus that it needs to be on the equipment side with the
instraments?
I do have 5 amp breaker seperating in case it shorts out but .5volts
seems like alot and wasnt sure if i even needed the dumb thing?
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>Hi Jared,
>
>This was interesting. Can you describe how/where the cap was connected?
>Even if the cap was faulty, it can't introduce such a fault. I'm quite
>sure the way it's connected made the problem.
>
>When you say secondary, did you mean the equipment side? Is there 0.5 V
>present at this side?
>
>Well, lets assume that the primary is where the battery is connected, here
>it's always 12 VDC (the battery voltage).
>
>The big capacitor is to remove/reduce ripple and spikes, this cap is often
>named reservoir capacitor. So in practice this is a kind of filtering
>device for all our added electronics. There is also another "primary"
>function for this capacitor, lets say that your Fox is equipped with a
>battery master switch and a generator switch. Say that you loose your
>battery power, I.E. the battery is disconnected from the bus by some
>reason, could be intentionally or by a fault. OK., when the battery is
>disconnected, this capacitor make sure that there is no high energy ripple
>present, such ripple can jam out your radio and intercom.
>
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:53:23 -0800, jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>On my model IV I have the capacitor that I forget the purpose it
>>serves. I've always had a battery drain problem but couldnt seem to
>>narrow it down. On the secondary side of my solenoid there was always
>>.5 volts. Not enough to trip the solenoid but always there, i assumed
>>from the cap. Disconnecting my capacitor dropped all back to zero which
>>makes sense but i am wondering how some of you have the capacitor hooked
>>up and aside from bad grounding whether the cap wired incorrectly is
>>what might be causing this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb gw) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I inquired heavily about this modification early on once my 1050
gross was so easily attained. Then when i had to do some frame work i
thought it would be an opportune time to investigate even more
thoroughly and the consensus all the way up to Sky Star and some people
with engineering backgrounds said that there was no "true modification"
that would allow you to safely obtain the 1200 gross. I was extremely
disappointed but found that even though i like all the fuel on board
(for safety), if you have tent / passenger / dog or whatever....
SOMEONE always has to pee long before you even burn up half a tank!!
Which means even a heavy plane can still stay around the 1050 area!
Roberto Canino wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
>
>Could anyone who has modified a 1050 lb gw model IV to handle the increased gross
weight of 1200 lbs. detail the neccessary modifications? I already have
Grove gear on my model IV.
>
>Thanks,
>B
>
>
>
>
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