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1. 03:16 AM - Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? (Chenoweth)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? (POP3)
3. 05:49 AM - Re: Not Much Room (Steve Zakreski)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics (Jimmie Blackwell)
5. 09:41 AM - Re: Capacitor (jareds)
6. 09:42 AM - Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? (Terry Hughes)
7. 11:56 AM - Re: Alcohol and static port. (Michel Verheughe)
8. 12:08 PM - Re: [off-topic] PocketFMS (Michel Verheughe)
9. 02:08 PM - Re: Alcohol and static port. (Torgeir Mortensen)
10. 02:49 PM - Fuel spill (Rex & Jan Shaw)
11. 03:09 PM - Re: longest build time (Tom Tomlin)
12. 03:12 PM - Kitfox or Cub (Rex & Jan Shaw)
13. 03:29 PM - Jabiru 3300 model IV was why do some hate kitfoxes? (Tom Tomlin)
14. 03:29 PM - Throttle position (Rex & Jan Shaw)
15. 03:30 PM - IVO medium on 582 (Chenoweth)
16. 04:59 PM - Re: IVO medium on 582 (Bob Robertson)
17. 05:18 PM - Re: Capacitor (Rick)
18. 07:12 PM - Re: Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? (Ceashman@aol.com)
19. 07:24 PM - Re: Kitfox or Cub (kirk hull)
20. 08:07 PM - Re: mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb gw) (Cudnohufsky's)
21. 08:53 PM - Re: Throttle position (Guy Buchanan)
22. 09:18 PM - Re: IVO medium on 582 (Guy Buchanan)
23. 10:28 PM - Re: IVO medium on 582 (Gary Algate)
24. 10:41 PM - Re: IVO medium on 582 (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
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| Subject: | Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
So would I. It took me 8 years 9 months from crate arrival to first flight.
There was never any doubt in my mind that I'd finish but I can't say as much
for most of the people who were "watching."
Bill
IV-1200
110 hours
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
>
> Thanks Bruce...that's a very impressive stat, considering other(most)
> kit manufacturers don't reach 10% of that.
> I hope to add another one to the completions column within the next month
> or so.
> 99.9% completed and still with much left to do.
> I wonder what the record is for the longest kitfox build time?
>
> Tom Tomlin
> IV Speedster
> Jab 3300
>
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| Subject: | Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: POP3 <av8rps@tznet.com>
Cliff:
Here's a statement that further explains why one should own a Kitfox;
"It's the closest thing there is to actually growing wings!. If that
doesn't register, I tell them it's the most fun you can have with your
clothes on. That usually gets the point across. But if that still doesn't do
it, I ask them a series of questions: What other aircraft can you name that
can be a tail dragger, trike, crop-duster, aerobatic speedster, true STOL
bush plane, floatplane, amphibian, ski plane, cross country cruiser with an
incredible useful load, plus have truly simple FOLDING WINGS that allow you
not only to tow it behind your vehicle, but also allowing you to keep it at
home in your garage. Oh, don't forget an incredible safety record, 4 gallons
of car gas an hour, inexpensive and simple maintenance that can all be
performed by the owner, and the entire aircraft can be purchased for the
price of an average new car! Plus, we can't forget to mention the
ever-so-sweet, nimble flying / handling characteristics.
Short of it's close relatives, I've yet to hear anyone able to match the
designs versatility and practicality. And the flying experience is a bonus
they can only appreciate if they fly one. 1000+ flying hours in these
machines and still in love. Guess the honeymoon may never end......."
So imagine learning all this, and realize you own a Cub? Arghhh... No
wonder some hate Kitfoxes!
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin, Model IV-1200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Dow" <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I'm really close to buying a kitfox - a friend of mine heard this and sent
> me the following comment: ""That's because it isn't a REAL airplane,it's a
> piece
> of overpriced crap!!""
> he thinks I should buy an old Cub instead? I flew in a kitfox yesterday
> and loved it - the frame was all powder coated, the landing gear was made
> by Grove - extremely heavy duty, the one i'm looking to buy has a
> transponder & comm, lights, the old cubs have none of that? I don't want
> to have to spin the prop to get my airplane going -I want an electrical
> system - as the Kitfoxes have. they sure look like "REAL" airplanes to
> me?
> am i missing something here? Where does this hostility come from? I"'ve
> heard Kitfox is very financially troubled - if Kitfox goes out of
> business - so what - isn't it true that just about everything on the
> kitfox can be purchased somewhere else - like wheel bearings, etc.
> I'd say the 40 & 50 year old cubs are overpriced! I have zero interest in
> anything certified that's fabric covered - that just seems to run the
> price way up. What else is there out there that is similar to a Kitfox?
> Thanks
> cliff
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I seem to recall I cut as much as the dogleg would let me.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Not Much Room
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Steve,
Did you have a dogleg bend in your stick? I think I'll chop mine
down as much as possible, but with the dogleg bend it won't be all that
much.
Guy
At 04:06 PM 3/13/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
>Guy
>
>I'm not very tall, but I did find the stick interfered with my knees a bit.
>More important, I did not like the close clearance with the underside of
the
>instrument panel. So I cut a few inches off the bottom of the control stick
>to lower it. Works great!
>
>SteveZ
>Calgary
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Thank you Roger.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: <r.thomas@za.pwc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
> Hi Jimmie
>
> These instruments are really good, well designed, and their LCD displays
> from a readability/light emission/brightness point of view are probably
> one of the best that I have seen at this end of the market.
>
> I do not have one installed, I have another brand of instrument doing
> something similar, but I wish I could swop it for the MGL.
>
> >From other owners who have the MGL installed, they have indicated that
> MGL's backup is also excellent.
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
> "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 14/03/2005 12:46 AM
>
> Please respond to
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> To
> <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> cc
>
> Subject
> Kitfox-List: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics
>
>
> Size: 4 Kb
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am considering getting the Attitude Reference System from MGL Avionics.
> Has anyone on the list used one and if so would like to have your
> assessment of this instrument?
>
> Jimmie
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I've been monitoring the feedback and will disconnect cap o see if thats
where the drain is coming from and then determine my action. Hopefully
just something minor cuz this is really a pain. For a while there i my
spare harley battery under front seat just in case i needed a boost at a
remote airport or when I showed up after a few days of not flying.
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>Hi there,
>
>I'll think this is as good as it can be.. :)
>
>The only thing is the "mysteries" about the 0.5 VDC., I can explain a
>little about.
>
>You'll know, in "most" devices there is a polarity protection, a diode in
>series with the input line for the particular device.
>
>All those devices will be feed by this large capacitor (22 000 mmF -
>Skystars standard) for a little moment, as- when shutting off the master
>switch.
>
>For a few millisecond (well - maybe seconds), the capacitor will be
>discharged - all the way down to approx. 0.5 VDC. This is true, as there
>will be approx. 0.6 VDC across a silicone diode.
>
>I'll think most of the Western type of instruments is fitted with such a
>diode, this because of the type of "generator system" actually PMG's that
>Rotax uses in their engines..
>
>Also absolutely agree with Kurt, keep the capacitor in there.
>As you have a circuit breaker connected in series with it, it's a safe
>installation.
>
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:06:50 -0800 (PST), kurt schrader
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Hi Jareds,
>>
>>Torgier can check me on this....
>>
>>Jareds, your description is much more helpful now.
>>
>>First, if you can make due without it and the noise
>>isn't bad, you can take it out. Be sure to test
>>against recieving a weak station while in flight
>>first. That should be where you encounter the most
>>noise and is a good test. If the breaker is one you
>>can push/pull easily, this is an easy test. Find some
>>ATIS station 100 miles or so away and try it with the
>>Cap on and off. Then it is a case of how much noise
>>you can deal with.
>>
>>Second, if it is on the insolated/equipment side of
>>the solenoid with the solinoid off and not not the
>>battery side, you shouldn't have such a big problem
>>with a little leakage. It can't run the battery down
>>with the master off. Then it can retain some voltage
>>like a battery and give you no real problems. With
>>the breaker in there, you are protected, so if you
>>need it for noise reduction and keep it, you are OK
>>too.
>>
>>If the leakage got very big it would work your
>>alternator hard like a big load though. If you have
>>an amp meter, you can see the difference when you pull
>>the Cap breaker with the power on. If you can't see
>>the amps change, you are OK.
>>
>>Your radio equipment may have caps in them to that
>>give a low voltage reading when switched on, but the
>>master is off. However, you said that the volts went
>>to zero when you disconnected this cap, so this Cap
>>seems to be the source.
>>
>>It doesn't seem you have a great risk with this wiring
>>to the Cap as long as you check the amps from time to
>>time by looking for a drop when you pull the breaker.
>>No significant change in amps = no big problem.
>>
>>If the volts with it off bothers you, a high ohm
>>resistor can be wired across the Cap leads to bleed it
>>off when the power is off. Any high ohm resister of
>>say 1/4 amp and 10K (10,000) ohms or higher should do
>>fine. It should bleed the cap down to zero after
>>shutdown without being a load by itself.
>>
>>What do you think Torgier?
>>
>>Kurt S.
>>
>>--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>torgeir and kurt
>>>
>>>Vaguely i remember an explanation like that before
>>>but not as descriptive.
>>>Yes by secondary I mean it is after the solenoid
>>>actuated by inst panel master on the side where
>>>all my instraments are. Cap runs through a breaker
>>>and has one side connected to ground and the
>>>other side to the posotive strip. That is where the
>>>.5 volts resides and disappears when i disconnect
>>>cap.
>>>
>>>With my resistor plugs and everything grounded
>>>seperately i have little noise in my microair.
>>>Is the consensus that it needs to be on the
>>>equipment side with the instraments?
>>>I do have 5 amp breaker seperating in case it shorts
>>>out but .5volts seems like alot and wasnt sure if
>>>i even needed the dumb thing?
>>>
>>>
>>__________________________________
>>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Terry Hughes <thughes0202@yahoo.com>
I am a Kitfox Classic IV/582 builder/pilot and I am also a member of EAA
Chapter 709 in Rome, GA. I've been asked by the chapter to give a presentation
about Kitfoxes at our next meeting, on Saturday, April 2. The discussion will
focus on my experiences in building and flying the Kitfox Classic IV. It will
be a pretty informal discussion and of course I'll have my plane out there for
people to look over.
If there are any nearby Kitfox pilots that would be interested in flying in to
show off their aircraft, please let me know. My plane is...well, spartan, is
probably the best way to describe it(simple paint job, simple panel, very
simple interior, etc.). I'm hoping that other Kitfox owners/pilots can show
other examples of what you can do with a Kitfox.
This is a simple affair, not a real fly-in. Just a chance to show off your
Kitfox to a local EAA chapter. Lunch is on me at the Prop Stop Deli for any
takers.
Terry Hughes
www.eaa709.org
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| Subject: | Re: Alcohol and static port. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you Jim and Torgeir.
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Maybe it's time to check your airspeed indicator,
I'd love to but I don't know how!
> You've all the remedies you'll need at home!!
Do you mean ... alcohol? (just kidding! :-)
I'd appreciate your procedure for calibrating my ASI, Torgeir. I feel it
involves the "water/alcohol tube" procedure but I don't know how I can
calibrate the instrument as I don't remember seeing any adjusting screw. (I
have the standard Kitfox ASI with the logo on it).
Thanks in advance,
Michel
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: [off-topic] PocketFMS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Clem and Jim,
jimshumaker wrote:
> I tried Michels free nav software but found that it does not compare to the
> Anywhere map or Mountain Scope.
I am sure that there are many products on the market that can do the job. I am
certainly not advertising for PocketFMS, only sharing my novice experience.
> Flying down the glideslope lands me exactly on the centerline
> at the correct touchdown point for that runway.
It sounds very good, Jim. However, this has nothing to do with the software but
rather the accuracy of GPS and of the data put in the database. If the
threshold of the runway is given within a few feet of its WGS 84 position, it
should work. The problem for the PocketFMS team is to get hold of accurate data.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Alcohol and static port. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
Hmm, -remember the UKAVID no 6, at page 14 you'll find a setup for ASI
testing, using water height vs. the "gravitational acceleration at the
Earth's surface" g=9.80665 m/s
2.
Should be easy to perform my friend, I'll guess you still have those "UK
Avid letters".
To have better resolution, one could use alcohol here as the spec. weight
is some less than vs. water, however, if the heights need to be
recalculated. (for eh. Glenn Fd.., Smirn.. etc. :) . Just joking..)
Torgeir.
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:47:27 +0100, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Thank you Jim and Torgeir.
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>> Maybe it's time to check your airspeed indicator,
>
> I'd love to but I don't know how!
>
>> You've all the remedies you'll need at home!!
>
> Do you mean ... alcohol? (just kidding! :-)
>
> I'd appreciate your procedure for calibrating my ASI, Torgeir. I feel it
> involves the "water/alcohol tube" procedure but I don't know how I can
> calibrate the instrument as I don't remember seeing any adjusting screw.
> (I
> have the standard Kitfox ASI with the logo on it).
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I've been reading this forum for some time and have finally decided to
participate.This is a very good forum ,and I regret not jumping in sooner.I
sold my Cessna 150 in June of 04 and bought a Kitfox IV 1050. On the very
first couple of flights I discovered fuel running off the top of the left
wing while on short final.I suspect it could be siphoning out of the vent
tube.Looking in the archives I see a check valve has been used on some vent
tubes.Sitting on the ground with full fuel there isn't any leaks.Does it
soud like I'm on the right track?Cliff Olson
Hi ! Cliff,
I have a MKIV and had this trouble. The fuel was being sucked
out around the gasket on the fuel caps. Mainly the left side as it happens.
I live in Australia and tried to get the Mercedes gaskets that are
recommended but could only get the whole cap here. I made new gaskets out of
3mm [1/8"] fuel resistant insertion rubber and the problem is no more.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: longest build time |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
Way to hang in there Marco! These airplanes are too good to ignore any
longer.
I started mine in Feb 1993, back when I still had all my hair.
Tom Tomlin
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: longest build time
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Tom:
>
> My Model 2 (s/n 374) was started by previous owner in 1989. She'll fly
> this spring. That has to be close to the world's record I would think.
>
> Marco Menezes
>
> N99KX
>
> do not archive
>
> Tom Tomlin <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin"
>
> Thanks Bruce...that's a very impressive stat, considering other(most)
> kit manufacturers don't reach 10% of that.
> I hope to add another one to the completions column within the next month
> or so.
> 99.9% completed and still with much left to do.
> I wonder what the record is for the longest kitfox build time?
>
> Tom Tomlin
> IV Speedster
> Jab 3300
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Harrington"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>> Last I heard a few years back was over 3000 completed.
>> A not 2 bad number compared to Van's RVs.
>> bh
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Tomlin"
>>
>>> Anyone know how many Kitfoxes have been sold?
>>> It was over 2000 in '92 when I bought my kit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I'm really close to buying a kitfox - a friend of mine heard this and sent
me the following comment: ""That's because it isn't a REAL airplane,it's a
piece
of overpriced crap!!""
I think you are getting a lot of relevant comments that you can get good
information from here but I would suggest you also spend a very meagre
amount of $19.95 US for the book "Kitfox Pilot's Guide by Edward S Downs"
from Skystar. This gives you a lot of history and facts. You can glean the
changes between models info and an idea of the differences to fly between
models.
This is all very valuable info for anyone considering buying a Kitfox.
Re Skystar having difficulties and they might not stay around. Well
unfortunately that could happen. Of course we all hope it won't and I for
one feel that the way they are handling there difficulties now they will in
fact pull through. However as you said all the patrs are readilly available
elsewhere. This list offers all the info you could ever want and much much
more. Should Skystar dissapear then someone or some other group will no
doubt take on Kitfox as it is too big to just fade into oblivion. It is also
too good a plane for that.
I bought my plane, a MKIV Classic with a Rotax 582 blue head motor in it and
flew it 3,000 Kms home over two days. !4 hours flying time and 188 litres of
fuel. The seating is very comfortable and I am 6'2".
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 model IV was why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
Will do Clem.
I hope to fire it up this month and get her in the air in April.
I did use the Skyfox cowling and had to modify it to fit the
LP Aeroplastics wingscreen. Michael previously had mentioned
the Skyfox cowling not fitting(bolt on) for his 2200 installation.
Michael, you were right and it is a lot of extra work.
Plus I hate fiberglass work anyway. It's a bit itchy.
For the longer 3300 engine though, I think it was worth it.
I'll do pics and a better write up later.
TT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> Hey, Tom:
>
> A Jabiru 3300 in a Model IV. Sounds exciting. Keep us posted.
>
> Clem Nichols
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin"
>> <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
>>
>> Thanks Bruce...that's a very impressive stat, considering other(most)
>> kit manufacturers don't reach 10% of that.
>> I hope to add another one to the completions column within the next month
>> or so.
>> 99.9% completed and still with much left to do.
>> I wonder what the record is for the longest kitfox build time?
>>
>> Tom Tomlin
>> IV Speedster
>> Jab 3300
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
>>> <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> Last I heard a few years back was over 3000 completed.
>>> A not 2 bad number compared to Van's RVs.
>>> bh
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>> Anyone know how many Kitfoxes have been sold?
>>>> It was over 2000 in '92 when I bought my kit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Throttle position |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Does anyone else have fitting problems? Where are your throttles?
Should I move/rebuild the panel? Can you fly with two sticks and a
passenger?
Well I have a MKIV Classic / 582. I am 6'2" I fit fine and it's very
comfortable. The throttle is in the centre. We have dual controls including
sticks, rudders and toe brakes. My flying mate flys from the right and is a
little shorter than me so has a cushion behing his back but we have no
problems. Sure for take-off and landing one needs to spread there legs and
our shoulders touch but we can comfortably fly for 5 hours or more. Mind you
one does stretch there legs when they get out. We do have considerable
padding in the seat.
Hope this helps,
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | IVO medium on 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
I just received the 72" IVO two blade prop I ordered for my 582 3 x 1 powered IV-1200
and didn't much care for the way it mounts to the gear box flange - six
Allen head screws, period. No drive lugs, no bolts.
IVO insists that the mounting technique is sound and, parenthetically, that the
Medium is required with 3 x 1 gearing.
I've committed to making a keep or return decision in the next few days.
Would anyone who has used this propeller on the 582 please let me know, on or off
list, what they think about its mounting and its performance. And, anything
else that seems relevant.
Thanking you in advance.
Bill
Albion, Maine
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| Subject: | Re: IVO medium on 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Bill,
Well, we use the IVO Medium on our 912 very sucessfully. Have not had a
problem and have over 4 years service.
The Medium has a good solid hub design. You will be required to
preiodically re-torque (we check every 25 hours)..
The prop seem svery efficient. The best thing bout it is how easy it is to
set the pitch.
Hope this info helps
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO medium on 582
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
> I just received the 72" IVO two blade prop I ordered for my 582 3 x 1
powered IV-1200 and didn't much care for the way it mounts to the gear box
flange - six Allen head screws, period. No drive lugs, no bolts.
>
> IVO insists that the mounting technique is sound and, parenthetically,
that the Medium is required with 3 x 1 gearing.
>
> I've committed to making a keep or return decision in the next few days.
> Would anyone who has used this propeller on the 582 please let me know, on
or off list, what they think about its mounting and its performance. And,
anything else that seems relevant.
>
> Thanking you in advance.
> Bill
> Albion, Maine
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I would think you could put a multi meter in series and see what the draw
is, then disconnect the possible source and see if the draw goes away. Maybe
i missed something.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Capacitor
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I've been monitoring the feedback and will disconnect cap o see if thats
where the drain is coming from and then determine my action. Hopefully
just something minor cuz this is really a pain. For a while there i my
spare harley battery under front seat just in case i needed a boost at a
remote airport or when I showed up after a few days of not flying.
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>Hi there,
>
>I'll think this is as good as it can be.. :)
>
>The only thing is the "mysteries" about the 0.5 VDC., I can explain a
>little about.
>
>You'll know, in "most" devices there is a polarity protection, a diode in
>series with the input line for the particular device.
>
>All those devices will be feed by this large capacitor (22 000 mmF -
>Skystars standard) for a little moment, as- when shutting off the master
>switch.
>
>For a few millisecond (well - maybe seconds), the capacitor will be
>discharged - all the way down to approx. 0.5 VDC. This is true, as there
>will be approx. 0.6 VDC across a silicone diode.
>
>I'll think most of the Western type of instruments is fitted with such a
>diode, this because of the type of "generator system" actually PMG's that
>Rotax uses in their engines..
>
>Also absolutely agree with Kurt, keep the capacitor in there.
>As you have a circuit breaker connected in series with it, it's a safe
>installation.
>
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:06:50 -0800 (PST), kurt schrader
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Hi Jareds,
>>
>>Torgier can check me on this....
>>
>>Jareds, your description is much more helpful now.
>>
>>First, if you can make due without it and the noise
>>isn't bad, you can take it out. Be sure to test
>>against recieving a weak station while in flight
>>first. That should be where you encounter the most
>>noise and is a good test. If the breaker is one you
>>can push/pull easily, this is an easy test. Find some
>>ATIS station 100 miles or so away and try it with the
>>Cap on and off. Then it is a case of how much noise
>>you can deal with.
>>
>>Second, if it is on the insolated/equipment side of
>>the solenoid with the solinoid off and not not the
>>battery side, you shouldn't have such a big problem
>>with a little leakage. It can't run the battery down
>>with the master off. Then it can retain some voltage
>>like a battery and give you no real problems. With
>>the breaker in there, you are protected, so if you
>>need it for noise reduction and keep it, you are OK
>>too.
>>
>>If the leakage got very big it would work your
>>alternator hard like a big load though. If you have
>>an amp meter, you can see the difference when you pull
>>the Cap breaker with the power on. If you can't see
>>the amps change, you are OK.
>>
>>Your radio equipment may have caps in them to that
>>give a low voltage reading when switched on, but the
>>master is off. However, you said that the volts went
>>to zero when you disconnected this cap, so this Cap
>>seems to be the source.
>>
>>It doesn't seem you have a great risk with this wiring
>>to the Cap as long as you check the amps from time to
>>time by looking for a drop when you pull the breaker.
>>No significant change in amps = no big problem.
>>
>>If the volts with it off bothers you, a high ohm
>>resistor can be wired across the Cap leads to bleed it
>>off when the power is off. Any high ohm resister of
>>say 1/4 amp and 10K (10,000) ohms or higher should do
>>fine. It should bleed the cap down to zero after
>>shutdown without being a load by itself.
>>
>>What do you think Torgier?
>>
>>Kurt S.
>>
>>--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>torgeir and kurt
>>>
>>>Vaguely i remember an explanation like that before
>>>but not as descriptive.
>>>Yes by secondary I mean it is after the solenoid
>>>actuated by inst panel master on the side where
>>>all my instraments are. Cap runs through a breaker
>>>and has one side connected to ground and the
>>>other side to the posotive strip. That is where the
>>>.5 volts resides and disappears when i disconnect
>>>cap.
>>>
>>>With my resistor plugs and everything grounded
>>>seperately i have little noise in my microair.
>>>Is the consensus that it needs to be on the
>>>equipment side with the instraments?
>>>I do have 5 amp breaker seperating in case it shorts
>>>out but .5volts seems like alot and wasnt sure if
>>>i even needed the dumb thing?
>>>
>>>
>>__________________________________
>>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hi Terry.
I will see if I can make it. I don't know what I have in store right now for
April 2.
I live close to Stone Mountain and trailer my Classic IV to Covington.
I am a member of chapter 1025.
You can see my airplane in the Skystar completion's, blue and red.
Cheers. Eric Ashman.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Your friend must not know much about home builts and that they are more
advanced then most it not all light certified aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan
Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox or Cub
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I'm really close to buying a kitfox - a friend of mine heard this and sent
me the following comment: ""That's because it isn't a REAL airplane,it's a
piece
of overpriced crap!!""
I think you are getting a lot of relevant comments that you can get good
information from here but I would suggest you also spend a very meagre
amount of $19.95 US for the book "Kitfox Pilot's Guide by Edward S Downs"
from Skystar. This gives you a lot of history and facts. You can glean the
changes between models info and an idea of the differences to fly between
models.
This is all very valuable info for anyone considering buying a Kitfox.
Re Skystar having difficulties and they might not stay around. Well
unfortunately that could happen. Of course we all hope it won't and I for
one feel that the way they are handling there difficulties now they will in
fact pull through. However as you said all the patrs are readilly available
elsewhere. This list offers all the info you could ever want and much much
more. Should Skystar dissapear then someone or some other group will no
doubt take on Kitfox as it is too big to just fade into oblivion. It is also
too good a plane for that.
I bought my plane, a MKIV Classic with a Rotax 582 blue head motor in it and
flew it 3,000 Kms home over two days. !4 hours flying time and 188 litres of
fuel. The seating is very comfortable and I am 6'2".
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb gw) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Jeffrey,
I had the aluminum I-Beams in all my spars and they were there according to
the build instructions. My plane was a Model IV-XL 950 gross.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb gw)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> I always thought that the thing that increased the gross weight was the
> insertion of those aluminum I-beams in the leading spar. Jeff Puls Classic
> IV 1200 gross weight
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)>
>> Date: 3/11/2005 11:13:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: mod.IV gross weight increase (1050 - 1200 lb
>> gw)
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>> I inquired heavily about this modification early on once my 1050
>> gross was so easily attained. Then when i had to do some frame work i
>> thought it would be an opportune time to investigate even more
>> thoroughly and the consensus all the way up to Sky Star and some people
>> with engineering backgrounds said that there was no "true modification"
>> that would allow you to safely obtain the 1200 gross. I was extremely
>> disappointed but found that even though i like all the fuel on board
>> (for safety), if you have tent / passenger / dog or whatever....
>> SOMEONE always has to pee long before you even burn up half a tank!!
>> Which means even a heavy plane can still stay around the 1050 area!
>>
>> Roberto Canino wrote:
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino
> <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >Could anyone who has modified a 1050 lb gw model IV to handle the
> increased gross weight of 1200 lbs. detail the neccessary modifications?
> I already have Grove gear on my model IV.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >B
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle position |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:02 AM 3/15/2005 +1030, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
...
>The throttle is in the centre. We have dual controls including
>sticks, rudders and toe brakes. My flying mate flys from the right and is a
>little shorter than me so has a cushion behing his back but we have no
>problems. Sure for take-off and landing one needs to spread there legs and
>our shoulders touch but we can comfortably fly for 5 hours or more. Mind you
>one does stretch there legs when they get out. We do have considerable
>padding in the seat.
>Hope this helps,
> Rex.
>rexjan@bigpond.com
Thanks Rex. It does help, but does your throttle hit your knee? Is it above
your knee? Is it therefore well above the frame cross-member running
athwartships at the bottom of the panel? Or do you just work it to the
right of your right knee? I'm not only concerned with comfort, but with safety.
Thanks again,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: IVO medium on 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Bill,
If you can sketch the mounting and provide the bolt sizes I can
give you an off-the-record engineering assessment. At first glance,
six MIL 16997 1/4-20 cad plated alloy steel SHCS rated at 160ksi are good
for a total breaking strength of about 30.5klb. If you torque to 75 in-lbs
you get a total pre-tension of about 17.2klb. That would be enough to
accelerate your Kitfox at about 14.3g!
Seriously, though, I can't calculate whether it will handle the
torsional vibration, but with a coefficient of friction of 1.35 and a 4"
bolt circle that gives a moment carrying capability of about 3860ft-lb.
That's about 70 times the maximum torque output of the 582. I suspect
you're OK.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
At 06:28 PM 3/14/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
>I just received the 72" IVO two blade prop I ordered for my 582 3 x 1
>powered IV-1200 and didn't much care for the way it mounts to the gear box
>flange - six Allen head screws, period. No drive lugs, no bolts.
>
>IVO insists that the mounting technique is sound and, parenthetically,
>that the Medium is required with 3 x 1 gearing.
>
>I've committed to making a keep or return decision in the next few days.
>Would anyone who has used this propeller on the 582 please let me know, on
>or off list, what they think about its mounting and its performance. And,
>anything else that seems relevant.
>
>Thanking you in advance.
>Bill
>Albion, Maine
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| Subject: | IVO medium on 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>Bill,
I received your call today and will try to make contact with you tomorrow.
I have exactly the same set up you are proposing except I have the In-Flight
adjustable unit.
I have been running the medium 2 blade for just on 18 mths (140 hrs) with
absolutely no problems.
The two blade medium is very efficient (I use floats in summer) and in fact
I lost negligible climb when going from a three blade ultralight IVO prop
and gained about 8mph in cruise.
The hub setup with the Allen screws has never required re-torquing and drive
lugs are not required due to the large surface area between the Rotax flange
and the IVO hub.
The prop is incredible smooth in operation and extremely quiet when compared
with the 3 blade Ultralight IVO and the GSC.
I cruise at 90+mph on skis at 5700rpm with mine (IFA will change the results
you will achieve with ground adjust) and burn 19 Ltr/hr at this setting. At
75mph I burn just under 14 Ltr/Hr.
I have flown the warp, GSC, 3 blade Ultralight IVO and the Medium 2 blade
and believe the 2 blade medium is the best option for the 582 C box
combination.
Hope this helps,
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
> I just received the 72" IVO two blade prop I ordered for my 582 3 x 1
powered IV-1200 and didn't much care for the way it mounts to the gear box
flange - six Allen head screws, period. No drive lugs, no bolts.
>
> IVO insists that the mounting technique is sound and, parenthetically,
that the Medium is required with 3 x 1 gearing.
>
> I've committed to making a keep or return decision in the next few days.
> Would anyone who has used this propeller on the 582 please let me know, on
or off list, what they think about its mounting and its performance. And,
anything else that seems relevant.
>
> Thanking you in advance.
> Bill
> Albion, Maine
>
>
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| Subject: | IVO medium on 582 |
06:40:48,
Serialize complete at 15/03/2005 06:40:48
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Gary
What gear box ratio do you have on that 582 of yours?
Regards
Roger
"Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
15/03/2005 08:30 AM
Please respond to
kitfox-list@matronics.com
To
<kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc
Subject
RE: Kitfox-List: IVO medium on 582
Size: 6 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>Bill,
I received your call today and will try to make contact with you tomorrow.
I have exactly the same set up you are proposing except I have the
In-Flight
adjustable unit.
I have been running the medium 2 blade for just on 18 mths (140 hrs) with
absolutely no problems.
The two blade medium is very efficient (I use floats in summer) and in
fact
I lost negligible climb when going from a three blade ultralight IVO prop
and gained about 8mph in cruise.
The hub setup with the Allen screws has never required re-torquing and
drive
lugs are not required due to the large surface area between the Rotax
flange
and the IVO hub.
The prop is incredible smooth in operation and extremely quiet when
compared
with the 3 blade Ultralight IVO and the GSC.
I cruise at 90+mph on skis at 5700rpm with mine (IFA will change the
results
you will achieve with ground adjust) and burn 19 Ltr/hr at this setting.
At
75mph I burn just under 14 Ltr/Hr.
I have flown the warp, GSC, 3 blade Ultralight IVO and the Medium 2 blade
and believe the 2 blade medium is the best option for the 582 C box
combination.
Hope this helps,
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
> I just received the 72" IVO two blade prop I ordered for my 582 3 x 1
powered IV-1200 and didn't much care for the way it mounts to the gear box
flange - six Allen head screws, period. No drive lugs, no bolts.
>
> IVO insists that the mounting technique is sound and, parenthetically,
that the Medium is required with 3 x 1 gearing.
>
> I've committed to making a keep or return decision in the next few days.
> Would anyone who has used this propeller on the 582 please let me know,
on
or off list, what they think about its mounting and its performance. And,
anything else that seems relevant.
>
> Thanking you in advance.
> Bill
> Albion, Maine
>
>
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