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1. 01:10 AM - SV: Jabiru 3300 model IV (Michel Verheughe)
2. 02:42 AM - Michigan to Sun-n-Fun (Cliff Olson)
3. 03:43 AM - Re: SV: Jabiru 3300 model IV - Cowling (Jose M. Toro)
4. 03:57 AM - Visiting Florida (David Dawe)
5. 04:17 AM - Cowling (Michel Verheughe)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? (scottm@dol.net)
7. 05:36 AM - Re: Capacitor (jareds)
8. 06:03 AM - SV: Capacitor (Michel Verheughe)
9. 06:50 AM - Re: Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? (Terry Hughes)
10. 06:55 AM - Re: Michigan to Sun-n-Fun (Lynn Matteson)
11. 07:01 AM - Re: IVO medium on 582 (Gary Algate)
12. 08:00 AM - Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? (Mike Couillard - TSI)
13. 08:09 AM - Re: Capacitor (kurt schrader)
14. 08:28 AM - Re: Capacitor (Ted Palamarek)
15. 08:45 AM - Re: Alcohol and static port. WAS: Capacitor (kurt schrader)
16. 09:22 AM - VideoRe: why do some hate kitfoxes? (Harris, Robert)
17. 09:42 AM - Re: Florida Trip (kurt schrader)
18. 09:49 AM - Re: Video ..... why do some hate kitfoxes? (jdmcbean)
19. 10:10 AM - Re: Video ..... why do some hate kitfoxes? (kurt schrader)
20. 10:20 AM - Re: VideoRe: why do some hate kitfoxes? (kurt schrader)
21. 10:39 AM - Why some hate the kitfox? (Clifford Dow)
22. 12:30 PM - ASI calibration. WAS Alcohol and static port. (Michel Verheughe)
23. 12:38 PM - Re: Alcohol and static port (Michel Verheughe)
24. 12:49 PM - Re: Capacitor (Torgeir Mortensen)
25. 12:49 PM - [off-topic] Meteorology WAS: Florida Trip (Michel Verheughe)
26. 12:52 PM - Re: ASI calibration. WAS Alcohol and static port. (Torgeir Mortensen)
27. 01:07 PM - Re: ASI calibration. (Michel Verheughe)
28. 03:15 PM - Re: IVO medium on 582 (Chenoweth)
29. 03:55 PM - Re: Why some hate the kitfox? (Tom Tomlin)
30. 04:12 PM - Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics (Torgeir Mortensen)
31. 04:17 PM - Re: Why some hate the kitfox? (Torgeir Mortensen)
32. 05:10 PM - Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics (Jimmie Blackwell)
33. 05:41 PM - Other Kitfox groups (Clifford Dow)
34. 05:53 PM - Re:Michigan to Sun-n-Fun (Cliff Olson)
35. 06:05 PM - Re: Other Kitfox groups (Don Pearsall)
36. 06:15 PM - Stuck Choke (Jeffrey Puls)
37. 06:22 PM - Stuck Choke (Jeffrey Puls)
38. 07:50 PM - Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics (Lynn Matteson)
39. 08:03 PM - Fox In The River (Bruce Harrington)
40. 08:14 PM - Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? (Andy)
41. 08:14 PM - Re: Fox In The River (kurt schrader)
42. 08:18 PM - Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics (kurt schrader)
43. 08:21 PM - Re: Stuck Choke (kurt schrader)
44. 08:24 PM - Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics (kurt schrader)
45. 08:27 PM - Re: Fox In The River (Don Pearsall)
46. 08:30 PM - Re: Fox In The River (Bruce Harrington)
47. 08:35 PM - Re: Alcohol and static port (kurt schrader)
48. 08:44 PM - Re: Pony Express? (kurt schrader)
49. 08:50 PM - Re: Fox In The River (Don Pearsall)
50. 08:51 PM - Re: Aluminum cowl? WAS Jabiru 3300 model IV (Tom Tomlin)
51. 08:54 PM - Throttle position (Rex & Jan Shaw)
52. 09:01 PM - Re: Michigan to Sun-n-Fun (kurt schrader)
53. 09:18 PM - Re: Aluminum cowl? WAS Jabiru 3300 model IV (Rick)
54. 09:43 PM - Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics (Lynn Matteson)
55. 09:45 PM - Re: Stuck Choke (Lynn Matteson)
56. 09:49 PM - Re: Fox In The River (kurt schrader)
57. 09:52 PM - Re: Fox In The River (Les Chambers)
58. 09:59 PM - Re: Michigan to Sun-n-Fun (Lynn Matteson)
59. 09:59 PM - Re: Aluminum cowl? WAS Jabiru 3300 model IV (kurt schrader)
60. 10:19 PM - Re: Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? (cookflys@juno.com)
61. 10:23 PM - Re: Fox In The River (& power lines) (kurt schrader)
62. 11:10 PM - Re: [off-topic] Meteorology WAS: Florida Trip (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Tom Tomlin [ThomasTomlin@comcast.net]
> Plus I hate fiberglass work anyway. It's a bit itchy.
You mean ... bit-chy itch? :-)
That's true, tom. Even with thin plastic gloves, the fiber gets through it. Boxing
gloves help better but it makes working awckward! :-)
I am not pleased with my epoxy-fiberglass work and next year, I intend to make
a new cowling in aluminium. The plan is this:
I buy the Jabiru "nose bowl" that matches the ram air ducts. I keep the windscreen
and glareshield as it is but cut some of the top of the firewall to match
a straight line that goes slightly down from the windscreen to the top of the
"bowl."
Since I can't work double curves in aluminium, the lower part will go straight
from a half circle to the air outlet, at the firewall, that will also be rounded.
One thing I am not sure yet is now to make the "lip" that matches the windscreen.
Can you shape-hammer aluminium as you do copper or brass?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Michigan to Sun-n-Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cliff Olson" <colsonj@provide.net>
My wife and I will be driving to Sun-n-Fun next month.I haven't been there for
5 years now,and I'm getting excited to get going.I'll be looking at Kitfoxes,going
to some forums(gas welding)and hunting for supplies.I'm looking for standard
wingtips for a KFIV,and a cowling for a VW.Cliff Kitfox IV 1050 VW 2180
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 model IV - Cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
Do you still have the Skyfox cowling? Since you will need to modify the firewall
for the aluminum cowling, would not you consider to use the Skyfox cowling?
You can use you current instrument panel, and modify the glareshield as required
for the change in the shape of the winshield.
For my installation, it looks like after cutting the air ducts, I will need to
extend the cowling on the sides about an inch to have an appropriate fit with
the fuselage. As opposed to you, I don't know how to work fiberglass, and prefer
to get help from a "local expert". Sorry that you are that far!
Saludos!
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> From: Tom Tomlin [ThomasTomlin@comcast.net]
> Plus I hate fiberglass work anyway. It's a bit itchy.
You mean ... bit-chy itch? :-)
That's true, tom. Even with thin plastic gloves, the fiber gets through it. Boxing
gloves help better but it makes working awckward! :-)
I am not pleased with my epoxy-fiberglass work and next year, I intend to make
a new cowling in aluminium. The plan is this:
I buy the Jabiru "nose bowl" that matches the ram air ducts. I keep the windscreen
and glareshield as it is but cut some of the top of the firewall to match
a straight line that goes slightly down from the windscreen to the top of the
"bowl."
Since I can't work double curves in aluminium, the lower part will go straight
from a half circle to the air outlet, at the firewall, that will also be rounded.
One thing I am not sure yet is now to make the "lip" that matches the windscreen.
Can you shape-hammer aluminium as you do copper or brass?
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Visiting Florida |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
Any Kitfox flyers-builders in the St. Petes -Tampa area,My wife and I are
visiting March 28 - for 10 days. Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
> So would I. It took me 8 years 9 months from crate arrival to first
flight.
> There was never any doubt in my mind that I'd finish but I can't say as
much
> for most of the people who were "watching."
> Bill
> IV-1200
> 110 hours
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin"
<ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
> >
> > Thanks Bruce...that's a very impressive stat, considering other(most)
> > kit manufacturers don't reach 10% of that.
> > I hope to add another one to the completions column within the next
month
> > or so.
> > 99.9% completed and still with much left to do.
> > I wonder what the record is for the longest kitfox build time?
> >
> > Tom Tomlin
> > IV Speedster
> > Jab 3300
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Que tal, Joselito? :-)
> From: Jose M. Toro [jose_m_toro@yahoo.com]
> Do you still have the Skyfox cowling? Since you will need to modify the firewall
for the aluminum cowling, would not you consider to use the Skyfox cowling?
I understand what you mean, Jose. No, I sent back the Skyfox cowling to the Norwegian
agent. I am relatively pleased with what I have now since I can fly the
plane and the home-made cowling does a great job at keeping the engine cold.
It is only an aestetical question of making it nicer looking and for that, I can
wait.
Imagine the core of a toilet paper roll. Cut it in two halves. Put one half on
a table and press down at one end. That's what I am aiming for: The perfect half
circle at the windshield that our planes have, moving to a flatter end near
the nose. It is possible to do it out of one sheet of aluminium (although I intend
to do it in two parts).
The only problem then is that, on its way from the circle to the flatter end (think
of your roll) the centerline goes down as the transverse curve flattens.
And about one third to the nose, comes the firewall. That is the only thing that
will have to be cut to fit.
At least, I think so. All this has only happened in my head and God knows how messy
it is there! :-) With time, I'll work first with scaled down models, then
actual scale cardboard models. Let's face it, I have one year to be prepared,
that's good. And, meanwhile, I can fly my Kitfox. That's even better!!!! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: scottm@dol.net
I'd love to have that video! I'll take a copy if you're
offering Kurt.
Damn I love this list.
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
...SNIP...
> One other good selling point is the old KitFox IV
> acrobatic airshow video. Let's see a Cub do that!
> I'll send you a copy if you can handle a major
> download. It's 10 mb long.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
The only voltage present is .5 volts from the capacitor. And that
dissappears when it's disconnected..
So unless there is a bad ground which would still likely show a voltage
leak then the cap seems like the culprit.
Rick wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
>I would think you could put a multi meter in series and see what the draw
>is, then disconnect the possible source and see if the draw goes away. Maybe
>i missed something.
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
>To: ax
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Capacitor
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>I've been monitoring the feedback and will disconnect cap o see if thats
>where the drain is coming from and then determine my action. Hopefully
>just something minor cuz this is really a pain. For a while there i my
>spare harley battery under front seat just in case i needed a boost at a
>remote airport or when I showed up after a few days of not flying.
>
>
>Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>I'll think this is as good as it can be.. :)
>>
>>The only thing is the "mysteries" about the 0.5 VDC., I can explain a
>>little about.
>>
>>You'll know, in "most" devices there is a polarity protection, a diode in
>>series with the input line for the particular device.
>>
>>All those devices will be feed by this large capacitor (22 000 mmF -
>>Skystars standard) for a little moment, as- when shutting off the master
>>switch.
>>
>>For a few millisecond (well - maybe seconds), the capacitor will be
>>discharged - all the way down to approx. 0.5 VDC. This is true, as there
>>will be approx. 0.6 VDC across a silicone diode.
>>
>>I'll think most of the Western type of instruments is fitted with such a
>>diode, this because of the type of "generator system" actually PMG's that
>>Rotax uses in their engines..
>>
>>Also absolutely agree with Kurt, keep the capacitor in there.
>>As you have a circuit breaker connected in series with it, it's a safe
>>installation.
>>
>>
>>Torgeir.
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:06:50 -0800 (PST), kurt schrader
>><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>>><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Hi Jareds,
>>>
>>>Torgier can check me on this....
>>>
>>>Jareds, your description is much more helpful now.
>>>
>>>First, if you can make due without it and the noise
>>>isn't bad, you can take it out. Be sure to test
>>>against recieving a weak station while in flight
>>>first. That should be where you encounter the most
>>>noise and is a good test. If the breaker is one you
>>>can push/pull easily, this is an easy test. Find some
>>>ATIS station 100 miles or so away and try it with the
>>>Cap on and off. Then it is a case of how much noise
>>>you can deal with.
>>>
>>>Second, if it is on the insolated/equipment side of
>>>the solenoid with the solinoid off and not not the
>>>battery side, you shouldn't have such a big problem
>>>with a little leakage. It can't run the battery down
>>>with the master off. Then it can retain some voltage
>>>like a battery and give you no real problems. With
>>>the breaker in there, you are protected, so if you
>>>need it for noise reduction and keep it, you are OK
>>>too.
>>>
>>>If the leakage got very big it would work your
>>>alternator hard like a big load though. If you have
>>>an amp meter, you can see the difference when you pull
>>>the Cap breaker with the power on. If you can't see
>>>the amps change, you are OK.
>>>
>>>Your radio equipment may have caps in them to that
>>>give a low voltage reading when switched on, but the
>>>master is off. However, you said that the volts went
>>>to zero when you disconnected this cap, so this Cap
>>>seems to be the source.
>>>
>>>It doesn't seem you have a great risk with this wiring
>>>to the Cap as long as you check the amps from time to
>>>time by looking for a drop when you pull the breaker.
>>>No significant change in amps = no big problem.
>>>
>>>If the volts with it off bothers you, a high ohm
>>>resistor can be wired across the Cap leads to bleed it
>>>off when the power is off. Any high ohm resister of
>>>say 1/4 amp and 10K (10,000) ohms or higher should do
>>>fine. It should bleed the cap down to zero after
>>>shutdown without being a load by itself.
>>>
>>>What do you think Torgier?
>>>
>>>Kurt S.
>>>
>>>--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>torgeir and kurt
>>>>
>>>>Vaguely i remember an explanation like that before
>>>>but not as descriptive.
>>>>Yes by secondary I mean it is after the solenoid
>>>>actuated by inst panel master on the side where
>>>>all my instraments are. Cap runs through a breaker
>>>>and has one side connected to ground and the
>>>>other side to the posotive strip. That is where the
>>>>.5 volts resides and disappears when i disconnect
>>>>cap.
>>>>
>>>>With my resistor plugs and everything grounded
>>>>seperately i have little noise in my microair.
>>>>Is the consensus that it needs to be on the
>>>>equipment side with the instraments?
>>>>I do have 5 amp breaker seperating in case it shorts
>>>>out but .5volts seems like alot and wasnt sure if
>>>>i even needed the dumb thing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>__________________________________
>>>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: jareds [jareds@verizon.net]
> The only voltage present is .5 volts from the capacitor. And that
> dissappears when it's disconnected..
> So unless there is a bad ground which would still likely show a voltage
> leak then the cap seems like the culprit.
Yes but ... if the capacitor was leaking, i.e. short-cutted, then you would see
0 V when in place and eventually some voltage when removed. Not the opposite.
In my humble opinion, it is normal to read some voltage over a capacitor. Until,
of course, you shortcut the two poles and the balance is re-established. Have
you tried that? A capacitor shall keep a certain voltage, it works like a battery,
doesn't it? At least, that's what I learnt at my ham courses, ages ago.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Terry Hughes <thughes0202@yahoo.com>
Thanks Eric. Hope it works out (schedule-wise and weather-wise). Your plane
looks great and I'd love to see it sometime even if you can't get over on April
2.
-Terry
--- Ceashman@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> Hi Terry.
>
> I will see if I can make it. I don't know what I have in store right now for
> April 2.
>
> I live close to Stone Mountain and trailer my Classic IV to Covington.
> I am a member of chapter 1025.
> You can see my airplane in the Skystar completion's, blue and red.
>
> Cheers. Eric Ashman.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan to Sun-n-Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hi Cliff-
I've been thinking of heading down there too. I hear it's not as well
attended as Oshkosh...can you or others fill me in? Do a lot of 'foxes
show up? ....errrr, well, you know what I mean. As far as vendors go,
are they there in the numbers that show up at O'kosh?
Lynn
On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 05:42 AM, Cliff Olson wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cliff Olson" <colsonj@provide.net>
>
> My wife and I will be driving to Sun-n-Fun next month.I haven't been
> there for 5 years now,and I'm getting excited to get going.I'll be
> looking at Kitfoxes,going to some forums(gas welding)and hunting for
> supplies.I'm looking for standard wingtips for a KFIV,and a cowling
> for a VW.Cliff Kitfox IV 1050 VW 2180
>
>
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| Subject: | IVO medium on 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Roger
My gearbox ratio is 3:1
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO medium on 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Gary
What gear box ratio do you have on that 582 of yours?
Regards
Roger
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| Subject: | why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard - TSI" <mike.couillard@tekstarllc.com>
Me too!
Please?
Mike Couillard
Series 5, C Springs, CO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
scottm@dol.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: scottm@dol.net
I'd love to have that video! I'll take a copy if you're offering Kurt.
Damn I love this list.
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
...SNIP...
> One other good selling point is the old KitFox IV acrobatic airshow
> video. Let's see a Cub do that!
> I'll send you a copy if you can handle a major download. It's 10 mb
> long.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
One last question. Does the battery actually drain
down in a few days, or do you only see this voltage
and are being cautious?
Kurt S.
--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> The only voltage present is .5 volts from the
> capacitor. And that
> dissappears when it's disconnected..
> So unless there is a bad ground which would still
> likely show a voltage
> leak then the cap seems like the culprit.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Look --- the easiest way to check to be 100 % sure it is the
capacitor --- Do this --- disconnect the capacitor, make
sure all your current drawing systems are off, then insert
a meter capable of reading a couple of amps or more of
current in your positive side of the battery. If "Zero"
current is observed then -- temporarily disconnect the amp
meter, insert the capacitor in the circuit, -- allow it to
charge to the battery voltage --- disconnect the positive
post of the battery and re insert the amp meter --- let it
sit for 10 or 15 minutes --- now have a look at it --- is
there any indication of current flow --- you may have to go
down to the milli-amp scale to read the flow --- if there
is, then yes you have a bad cap and it should be replaced. I
don't think I would operate with the capacitor out of the
circuit as was suggested by some. This cap does some
filtering and provides a safety measure as was suggested
someone. Anyway this is a simple and fool proof check.
Alternate method may be --- charge the cap to the battery
voltage --- disconnect the positive side --- place a volt
meter on the positive term of the cap and observe what
happens to the voltage on the positive side --- if it
disappears quickly, then you cap is leaking badly -- the
rate at which this voltage disappears is an indicator of how
badly your cap is leaking. FWIW
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Capacitor
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
<jareds@verizon.net>
The only voltage present is .5 volts from the capacitor.
And that
dissappears when it's disconnected..
So unless there is a bad ground which would still likely
show a voltage
leak then the cap seems like the culprit.
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| Subject: | Re: Alcohol and static port. WAS: Capacitor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Michel,
Why is it still off by 5 mph? Perhaps you didn't
drink enough of the alcohol... :-) Sometimes being
British wasn't all bad. Ha ha They could adjust the
pilot to the plane, or the sailor to the ship.
I thought the French still served alcohol to their
pilots with the in-flight-meals?
You are right, it could be the plate curvature or some
other minor disturbance effecting your static port.
Mine was off by 2-3 mph before I installed my scoop.
I need to recheck it for accuracy now. It seems off
more.
Someone mentioned recently putting a very small dam in
front of the static port. This is not uncommon and I
have though about the same thing for mine. All it
takes is a small barrier just in front of the port
maybe 1 cm forward. Perhaps one of the planes at your
airport has this also? The barrier only needs to be
maybe 3 mm thick and 2 cm verticle centered in front
of the port. Something to break the boundry layer a
little more and put the port in the shadow. You could
tape something in place and test it. Move as
necessary. See if that helps. Maybe a square
toothpic shortened? Something easy...
I made my static port a little more complex. It is a
port that fits the static line in size OD, but the ID
of the hole is large too. I then tapped it for a
nylon bolt. I cut the head off the nylon bolt and cut
a slot for a screwdriver to fit in it. Then I drilled
the nylon bolt for the static hole. Now I can screw
my static port in or out as necessary. All the way
out to clean if necessary too.
Too much time on my hands? Na, my friend made the
static port with too big of a hole and that was my
fix. :-) It just adds flexibility this way.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Alcohol is indeed a beautiful product, Kurt.
>
> I went flying today, Kurt. Not long because it
> started snowing, with reduced visibility. Alas,
> while better, my static port still gives about
> 5 MPH higher reading. I wonder why.
..............
> Could it be that the very slight
> curve accelerates the air
> passing by and create a lower pressure?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Kurt,
Would you please e-mail me a copy too? My e-mail address is
Robert_harris@intuit.com or if you have a CD or VHS copy I'll send you $20
for a hard copy.
Thanks,
Robert
Phone
1-858-525-8102
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Couillard
- TSI
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard - TSI"
<mike.couillard@tekstarllc.com>
Me too!
Please?
Mike Couillard
Series 5, C Springs, CO
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
scottm@dol.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: scottm@dol.net
I'd love to have that video! I'll take a copy if you're offering Kurt.
Damn I love this list.
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
...SNIP...
> One other good selling point is the old KitFox IV acrobatic airshow
> video. Let's see a Cub do that!
> I'll send you a copy if you can handle a major download. It's 10 mb
> long.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Deke,
That is a harder one to answer. WX sources? I had
enough wx courses and experience that I do my own
predicting/confirming.
Last night I had one of our UPS wx men on as a
passenger coming back from PHX. I asked him what he
uses as sources. He goes right to the web page that
provides 2 computer models and compares them. Then he
makes his own predictions. Millions of $ can depend
upon the forecast. We have several forecasters, but
one is now in the midEast helping the military there.
No helpful sources for the average pilot.
I actually look at my Yahoo wx the most. TV/radio wx
is more entertainment than good prediction. I
sometimes hit all three local channels in succession
and compare their reports. Some are not always too
accurate. I laugh when my yahoo wx says "high of 48,
low of 25. Current temp, 52!" They don't adjust the
forecast to reality either?
At work, we get the same pilot type wx paperwork from
the wx services you do, but more of it. So much info
it is distracting. Then we adjust to reality with the
help of our wx dept.
But the bottom line for us is, "Did you ever not go
because of the wx?" We almost always go and just plan
to deal with it. But a few times we didn't go playing
"you bet your job".... Saves lives.
Afraid I am not helping much with sources. Your
average pilots wx sources are as good as it gets, but
it all requires adjusting to reality and caution. Not
only are they predictions, but not always adjusted to
reality.
Another bit of trivia. If you know the temp and dew
point, you can figure the cloud bases pretty close
most of the time. Standard laps rate for temp
decrease with altitude is 2 degrees C/1000'. When the
temp drops to the dew point, the clouds will form.
Example: Temp 15 degrees C. Dewpoint 5 C.
Difference = 10 C. At 2/1000' the clouds should form
at 5,000'. The closer the temp/dewpoint spread, the
closer the clouds are to you. Zero = fog. Of course
there are inversions, wx fronts, etc.
Then you should know that converting vapor to clouds
requires energy. As a thermal rises and hits the
temp/dewpoint = zero mark, heat is absorbed.
Sometimes enough to stop the thermals. That is why
you get smooth air above the cloud bottoms (out of the
clouds).
Got lots more, but this is too long already.
Kurt S.
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> That was the best and most useful "in a nutshell"
> bit of weather trivia I've read yet. Makes easy
> sense, even for this partially fried brain to
handle.
> Now, another question. What do you (or others) use
> for easy to interpret online weather sources to
> enable you to grab this good info?
> Thanks Kurt. Good stuff.
> Deke
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| Subject: | why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Hey guys... I'm in the middle of updating the web.. Visit
www.sportplanellc.com and go to the photo gallery page.. There is a video
link I just put up.. it has the Model IV video there...... Give me a few
more minutes....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks John!
It works.
I got a lot of requests on and off list - my fault.
If everyone goes to your site they will get the vid a
lot faster.
Now that is having fun in a Fox!
Kurt S.
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> Hey guys... I'm in the middle of updating the web..
> Visit
> www.sportplanellc.com and go to the photo gallery
> page.. There is a video link I just put up.. it
> has the Model IV video there...... Give me a few
> more minutes....
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com>
> _-
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground
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| Subject: | Re: why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
OK, thanks to John, you all can get it much faster
from him at:
www.sportplanellc.com
Take a look around at the rest of his site while you
are there too. I already bought some of his stuff for
my plane.
Kurt S.
--- "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Kurt,
>
> Would you please e-mail me a copy too? My e-mail
> address is
> Robert_harris@intuit.com or if you have a CD or VHS
> copy I'll send you $20
> for a hard copy.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
> Phone
> 1-858-525-8102
>
>
> <mike.couillard@tekstarllc.com>
>
> Me too!
>
> Please?
>
> Mike Couillard
> Series 5, C Springs, CO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: scottm@dol.net
>
> I'd love to have that video! I'll take a copy if
> you're offering Kurt.
>
> Damn I love this list.
>
> Mark Scott
> Elkton, MD
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| Subject: | Why some hate the kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
Well Dam I didn't hear many arguements for not buying a Kitfox - so I bought one!!
That video is awesome!! I don't plan on flying like that but it sure is nice
knowing it can take the G forces!
With a little luck I will pick it up in Texas and fly it to Sun'N Fun - are there
any kitfox owners planning to fly their kitfox by Fortworth, TX and onto Sun'N
Fun around April 8th-12th?
Again, with a little luck I will fly from sun"n Fun to Maine - are there any Kitfox
owners flying that way after sun'n fun?? It's a huge adventure for this 250
TT pilot! Following another Kitfox might make it easier for me to enjoy the
view.
My initials are CD - I wanted a number with Charlie Delta on the end - Cirrus Design
went and reserved just about everyone of them!! from 111CD to 999CD - that's
alot of numbers!! If you have a unique number you want - reserve it now!
Thanks
cliff in Maine.
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| Subject: | ASI calibration. WAS Alcohol and static port. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Should be easy to perform my friend, I'll guess you still have those "UK
> Avid letters".
Alas, my friend, I have now been through all my documentation and I don't find
it. The reason is that, I made a folder including all the Rotax 582 related
documents and when I sold my engine, I gave to the new owner this folder. The
article about the calibration of the ASI must have been between 582-related articles.
I'd appreciate very much you sending me back that article, if you can.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Alcohol and static port |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> I thought the French still served alcohol to their
> pilots with the in-flight-meals?
I don't know about the French aviators, Kurt, but I can tell you stories about
French seafarers (personal experience in the North Sea) that will rock you out
of your socks! :-)
> Someone mentioned recently putting a very small dam in
> front of the static port.
With the idea to disturb the laminar flow into turbulence. Not a bad idea. I
might do that. Now that my engine is installed and I can fly, I can spend some
time to go deeper in what is fun: make things work perfectly. But I am not sure
at which end to start. Maybe I should first calibrate the ASI and see then what
needs to be done to the static port.
> Now I can screw my static port in or out as necessary. All the way
> out to clean if necessary too.
Another excellent idea. I remember, when I was flying RC gliders with my son
that we used nylon bolts to fix the wings. I know where I can buy those. Easy
to work with. I'll try that.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Jared,
Ahh, I'll think I've misunderstood your problem, cause I thought there was
0.5 VDC present "all the time" AFTER the master switch is turned off.
If you have 0.5 VDC (only) present across the capacitor when the master
switch is turned on, there is something wrong, as there should be a "full"
battery voltage across the cap. when the master is switched to ON.
As you have a CB. it would be easy to trip it and observe the voltage. If
you are measuring the 0.5 VDC across the cap. terminal-, try to move the
instrument ground lead to a known ground in your aircraft. Then you should
measure the battery voltage at the cap. positive terminal.
Well, as the capacitor is located after the master relay -it can't drain
your battery when the master switch is off.
Do you have a drawing of your setup?
Torgeir.
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:38:42 -0800, jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> The only voltage present is .5 volts from the capacitor. And that
> dissappears when it's disconnected..
> So unless there is a bad ground which would still likely show a voltage
> leak then the cap seems like the culprit.
>
> Rick wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>>
>> I would think you could put a multi meter in series and see what the
>> draw
>> is, then disconnect the possible source and see if the draw goes away.
>> Maybe
>> i missed something.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
>> To: ax
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Capacitor
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>> I've been monitoring the feedback and will disconnect cap o see if thats
>> where the drain is coming from and then determine my action. Hopefully
>> just something minor cuz this is really a pain. For a while there i my
>> spare harley battery under front seat just in case i needed a boost at a
>> remote airport or when I showed up after a few days of not flying.
>>
>>
>> Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
>>> <torgemor@online.no>
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I'll think this is as good as it can be.. :)
>>>
>>> The only thing is the "mysteries" about the 0.5 VDC., I can explain a
>>> little about.
>>>
>>> You'll know, in "most" devices there is a polarity protection, a diode
>>> in
>>> series with the input line for the particular device.
>>>
>>> All those devices will be feed by this large capacitor (22 000 mmF -
>>> Skystars standard) for a little moment, as- when shutting off the
>>> master
>>> switch.
>>>
>>> For a few millisecond (well - maybe seconds), the capacitor will be
>>> discharged - all the way down to approx. 0.5 VDC. This is true, as
>>> there
>>> will be approx. 0.6 VDC across a silicone diode.
>>>
>>> I'll think most of the Western type of instruments is fitted with such
>>> a
>>> diode, this because of the type of "generator system" actually PMG's
>>> that
>>> Rotax uses in their engines..
>>>
>>> Also absolutely agree with Kurt, keep the capacitor in there.
>>> As you have a circuit breaker connected in series with it, it's a safe
>>> installation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Torgeir.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:06:50 -0800 (PST), kurt schrader
>>> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>>>> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jareds,
>>>>
>>>> Torgier can check me on this....
>>>>
>>>> Jareds, your description is much more helpful now.
>>>>
>>>> First, if you can make due without it and the noise
>>>> isn't bad, you can take it out. Be sure to test
>>>> against recieving a weak station while in flight
>>>> first. That should be where you encounter the most
>>>> noise and is a good test. If the breaker is one you
>>>> can push/pull easily, this is an easy test. Find some
>>>> ATIS station 100 miles or so away and try it with the
>>>> Cap on and off. Then it is a case of how much noise
>>>> you can deal with.
>>>>
>>>> Second, if it is on the insolated/equipment side of
>>>> the solenoid with the solinoid off and not not the
>>>> battery side, you shouldn't have such a big problem
>>>> with a little leakage. It can't run the battery down
>>>> with the master off. Then it can retain some voltage
>>>> like a battery and give you no real problems. With
>>>> the breaker in there, you are protected, so if you
>>>> need it for noise reduction and keep it, you are OK
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> If the leakage got very big it would work your
>>>> alternator hard like a big load though. If you have
>>>> an amp meter, you can see the difference when you pull
>>>> the Cap breaker with the power on. If you can't see
>>>> the amps change, you are OK.
>>>>
>>>> Your radio equipment may have caps in them to that
>>>> give a low voltage reading when switched on, but the
>>>> master is off. However, you said that the volts went
>>>> to zero when you disconnected this cap, so this Cap
>>>> seems to be the source.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't seem you have a great risk with this wiring
>>>> to the Cap as long as you check the amps from time to
>>>> time by looking for a drop when you pull the breaker.
>>>> No significant change in amps = no big problem.
>>>>
>>>> If the volts with it off bothers you, a high ohm
>>>> resistor can be wired across the Cap leads to bleed it
>>>> off when the power is off. Any high ohm resister of
>>>> say 1/4 amp and 10K (10,000) ohms or higher should do
>>>> fine. It should bleed the cap down to zero after
>>>> shutdown without being a load by itself.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think Torgier?
>>>>
>>>> Kurt S.
>>>>
>>>> --- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> torgeir and kurt
>>>>>
>>>>> Vaguely i remember an explanation like that before
>>>>> but not as descriptive.
>>>>> Yes by secondary I mean it is after the solenoid
>>>>> actuated by inst panel master on the side where
>>>>> all my instraments are. Cap runs through a breaker
>>>>> and has one side connected to ground and the
>>>>> other side to the posotive strip. That is where the
>>>>> .5 volts resides and disappears when i disconnect
>>>>> cap.
>>>>>
>>>>> With my resistor plugs and everything grounded
>>>>> seperately i have little noise in my microair.
>>>>> Is the consensus that it needs to be on the
>>>>> equipment side with the instraments?
>>>>> I do have 5 amp breaker seperating in case it shorts
>>>>> out but .5volts seems like alot and wasnt sure if
>>>>> i even needed the dumb thing?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Meteorology WAS: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> Lows are from warm light air that sucks inward and up.
Er, Kurt, this is off-topic, but since you seem to know pretty well your
meteorology, I have a question for you. I asked the question to our Norwegian
Met office but the answer I got made no sense. I am not sure they understood my
question, though. Here it is:
I like to look at an internet weather service called Oceanor, that shows a lot
of interesting information. One of the maps is the so-called temperature and
geopotential heights at 500 hPa (about FL 150, I think). I like it because, at
that altitude, the temperature is free of interference of the ground and the
front line between polar and temperate air masses is well defined.
Now, when I look at a place which is the center of a low pressure, the
geopotential heights isometric lines show a lower altitude. It makes sense, it
is a low pressure and there, 500 hPa is at a lower altitude. But what I can't
figure out is why those areas also coincide with low temperature. Likewise, the
high pressures are generally hotter that the surroundings. One would think it
is the opposite, isn't it?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: ASI calibration. WAS Alcohol and static port. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Aha, wilco!
- will appear in your mailbox very soon.
Torgeir.
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:30:31 +0100, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>> Should be easy to perform my friend, I'll guess you still have those "UK
>> Avid letters".
>
> Alas, my friend, I have now been through all my documentation and I
> don't find
> it. The reason is that, I made a folder including all the Rotax 582
> related
> documents and when I sold my engine, I gave to the new owner this
> folder. The
> article about the calibration of the ASI must have been between
> 582-related articles.
> I'd appreciate very much you sending me back that article, if you can.
> Thanks a lot in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: ASI calibration. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Aha, wilco!
> - will appear in your mailbox very soon.
Done! Thanks, mate! (the post from Tromsoe to Toensberg is faster than from
Tromsoe, to the US, then Toensberg! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: IVO medium on 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
A heartfelt thank you to all of you who responded to my question re the IVO
medium. Very reassuring!
Bill
Albion
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From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO medium on 582
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Roger
>
> My gearbox ratio is 3:1
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> r.thomas@za.pwc.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO medium on 582
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
> Hi Gary
>
> What gear box ratio do you have on that 582 of yours?
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Why some hate the kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
Congratulations Cliff, and way to follow your dream.
Sounds like a great adventure...
Wish I was done building and had the time...
Or is it?
Wish I had used the time and I was done?
TT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Dow" <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Why some hate the kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
>
> Well Dam I didn't hear many arguements for not buying a Kitfox - so I
> bought one!!
> That video is awesome!! I don't plan on flying like that but it sure is
> nice knowing it can take the G forces!
> With a little luck I will pick it up in Texas and fly it to Sun'N Fun -
> are there any kitfox owners planning to fly their kitfox by Fortworth, TX
> and onto Sun'N Fun around April 8th-12th?
> Again, with a little luck I will fly from sun"n Fun to Maine - are there
> any Kitfox owners flying that way after sun'n fun?? It's a huge adventure
> for this 250 TT pilot! Following another Kitfox might make it easier for
> me to enjoy the view.
> My initials are CD - I wanted a number with Charlie Delta on the end -
> Cirrus Design went and reserved just about everyone of them!! from 111CD
> to 999CD - that's alot of numbers!! If you have a unique number you
> want - reserve it now!
> Thanks
> cliff in Maine.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Jimmie,
I have three different MGL instrument, Fuel Flow Ind, ASI and VSI. I'll
think they are the "winner" for our class of aircraft.
Those new "solid state" gyros is the number one on my "Christmas list",
I'll then going to throw out all the old stuff just to save weight! Each
of those Smart Singles only weight 90 gram eq. to 3.17 oz.
There is no other instruments that match those in price / quality and
weight as far as I know.
The gyro unit can be ordered with both sensors - attitude and compass
(with automatic deviation feature). I've not tried out those gyro/compass
setup, but can tell that we are using those "singles" in pitot static ramp
testers (we do use a "Kollsman precision reference" for calibration
check). - They really impress.
For those interested in such modern instruments, go here;
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
You can download all detailed information about them in "pdf" format.
Torgeir.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:02 -0800, Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am considering getting the Attitude Reference System from MGL
> Avionics. Has anyone on the list used one and if so would like to have
> your assessment of this instrument?
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Why some hate the kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Congratulation with your new plane Cliff.
Just a winner, IMO...
Torgeir
Kitfox II - in Norway.
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:38:55 -0800 (PST), Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
>
> Well Dam I didn't hear many arguements for not buying a Kitfox - so I
> bought one!!
> That video is awesome!! I don't plan on flying like that but it sure
> is nice knowing it can take the G forces!
> With a little luck I will pick it up in Texas and fly it to Sun'N Fun -
> are there any kitfox owners planning to fly their kitfox by Fortworth,
> TX and onto Sun'N Fun around April 8th-12th?
> Again, with a little luck I will fly from sun"n Fun to Maine - are there
> any Kitfox owners flying that way after sun'n fun?? It's a huge
> adventure for this 250 TT pilot! Following another Kitfox might make it
> easier for me to enjoy the view.
> My initials are CD - I wanted a number with Charlie Delta on the end -
> Cirrus Design went and reserved just about everyone of them!! from
> 111CD to 999CD - that's alot of numbers!! If you have a unique number
> you want - reserve it now!
> Thanks
> cliff in Maine.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
I really appreciate your assessment of the MGL instruments. I will probably
remove my vacuum system with HSI and Directional Gyro and install the MGL
HSI and Compass. Now if I can just find someone that needs my old system.
Thanks again. All the feedback on these instruments has been very positive.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Jimmie,
>
>
> I have three different MGL instrument, Fuel Flow Ind, ASI and VSI. I'll
> think they are the "winner" for our class of aircraft.
>
> Those new "solid state" gyros is the number one on my "Christmas list",
> I'll then going to throw out all the old stuff just to save weight! Each
> of those Smart Singles only weight 90 gram eq. to 3.17 oz.
>
> There is no other instruments that match those in price / quality and
> weight as far as I know.
>
> The gyro unit can be ordered with both sensors - attitude and compass
> (with automatic deviation feature). I've not tried out those gyro/compass
> setup, but can tell that we are using those "singles" in pitot static ramp
> testers (we do use a "Kollsman precision reference" for calibration
> check). - They really impress.
>
> For those interested in such modern instruments, go here;
>
> http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
>
> You can download all detailed information about them in "pdf" format.
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:02 -0800, Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > I am considering getting the Attitude Reference System from MGL
> > Avionics. Has anyone on the list used one and if so would like to have
> > your assessment of this instrument?
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
>
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| Subject: | Other Kitfox groups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
Hello
are there other Kitfox groups out there for planning group trips?
If so what might they be?
I guess this Matronics site is primarily for builders?
thanks
cliff
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| Subject: | Re:Michigan to Sun-n-Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cliff Olson" <colsonj@provide.net>
Hi Lynn:I would say that sun-n-fun is geared more towards the single engine crowd,and
probebly not on purpose.Its a great place for ultalights,trikes,LSA,experimental,etc.All
the venders are there,and quite a few kit Companies at sun-n-fun
that don't go to Oshkosh.For me I need a dose of Oshkosh about every other
year,then a sun-n-fun to round out my avaition craving.Go to sun-n-fun.org and
you can pull up venders,forums,speakers etc.25 days and I hit the road south.
Cliff
Kitfox IV
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| Subject: | Other Kitfox groups |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Cliff,
This group has builders, owners, flyers, wannabes, and everyone else. During
fly-in season, there is lots of discussion about group trips. In fact, the
Alaska, Canada, Bahamas, and lots of other trips were planned right here.
If you want to get something going, just throw it out to the group. There is
bound to be someone interested in what you are planning. Speak up!
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford Dow
Subject: Kitfox-List: Other Kitfox groups
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
Hello
are there other Kitfox groups out there for planning group trips?
If so what might they be?
I guess this Matronics site is primarily for builders?
thanks
cliff
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Taxied out last night and my engine ran like I had a stuck choke (Haven't flown
for awhile). Can I use LP-1 or something like it to spray on the choke linkage?
Jeff Classic IV
Jeffrey Puls
pulsair@mindspring.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Taxied out last night and my engine ran like I had a stuck choke (Haven't flown
for awhile). Can I use LP-1 or something like it to spray on the choke linkage?
Jeff Classic IV
Jeffrey Puls
pulsair@mindspring.com
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
That site doesn't work for me...
Lynn
On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 07:15 PM, Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> For those interested in such modern instruments, go here;
>
> http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
>
> You can download all detailed information about them in "pdf" format.
>
> Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Fox In The River |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Foxers,
Just a note to mention a local Kitfox II with 582 (aquaintenance of mine)
was a bit too low while giving a ride to a 14 year old. They were flying
upriver here in SW Oregon, and hit a power line. The river is shallow, and
there were no serious injuries to the occupants. Some damage to the Fox,
tho!
Cheers,
bh
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| Subject: | why do some hate kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" <fultz@trip.net>
why do some hate kitfoxes?
IGNORANCE. They just don't have any experience with experimental aircraft
and usually can not be convinced otherwise. They just don't know how much
fun they are missing. I've flown (and still do on ocacssions) cubs,
citabrias, champs, ect. Wehn I fly one of those now it just reminds me how
much more fun the AVIDs and KFs really are.
Andy F.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Dow
Subject: Kitfox-List: why do some hate kitfoxes?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
I'm really close to buying a kitfox - a friend of mine heard this and sent
me the following comment: ""That's because it isn't a REAL airplane,it's a
piece
of overpriced crap!!""
he thinks I should buy an old Cub instead? I flew in a kitfox yesterday and
loved it - the frame was all powder coated, the landing gear was made by
Grove - extremely heavy duty, the one i'm looking to buy has a transponder
& comm, lights, the old cubs have none of that? I don't want to have to spin
the prop to get my airplane going -I want an electrical system - as the
Kitfoxes have. they sure look like "REAL" airplanes to me?
am i missing something here? Where does this hostility come from? I"'ve
heard Kitfox is very financially troubled - if Kitfox goes out of business -
so what - isn't it true that just about everything on the kitfox can be
purchased somewhere else - like wheel bearings, etc.
I'd say the 40 & 50 year old cubs are overpriced! I have zero interest in
anything certified that's fabric covered - that just seems to run the price
way up. What else is there out there that is similar to a Kitfox?
Thanks
cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Fox In The River |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
What is that? Fox one, wire zero?
Glad a Fox saved then again.
Kurt S.
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--- Bruce Harrington <aerowood@mcsi.net> wrote:
> Hi Foxers,
>
> Just a note to mention a local Kitfox II with 582
> (aquaintenance of mine)
> was a bit too low while giving a ride to a 14 year
> old. They were flying
> upriver here in SW Oregon, and hit a power line.
> The river is shallow, and
> there were no serious injuries to the occupants.
> Some damage to the Fox,
> tho!
>
> Cheers,
> bh
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hummm. Works for me. Try holding down your shift key
while you left click on it. it should come up in a
new page. If that doesn't work, cut and paste it.
Both ways worked for me.
Kurt S.
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> That site doesn't work for me...
>
> Lynn
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 07:15 PM, Torgeir
> Mortensen wrote:
> > For those interested in such modern instruments,
> go here;
> >
> > http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
> >
> > You can download all detailed information about
> them in "pdf" format.
> >
> > Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
The stuck part is usually in the carb throat. Good
old carb cleaner should clean it up. Look for a brown
coating and watch it wash off with carb cleaner.
If it is the outside linkage, then you are right. But
that is unusual.
Kurt S.
--- Jeffrey Puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Taxied out last night and my engine ran like I had a
> stuck choke (Haven't flown for awhile). Can I use
> LP-1 or something like it to spray on the choke
> linkage? Jeff Classic IV
>
>
> Jeffrey Puls
> pulsair@mindspring.com
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Darn you guys. Now I have to redo my entire panel!
;-) Lots of good looking stuff there.
Kurt S.
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--- Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> wrote:
> Hi Jimmie,
>
>
> I have three different MGL instrument, Fuel Flow
> Ind, ASI and VSI. I'll
> think they are the "winner" for our class of
> aircraft.
>
> Those new "solid state" gyros is the number one on
> my "Christmas list",
> I'll then going to throw out all the old stuff just
> to save weight! Each
> of those Smart Singles only weight 90 gram eq. to
> 3.17 oz.
>
> There is no other instruments that match those in
> price / quality and
> weight as far as I know.
>
> The gyro unit can be ordered with both sensors -
> attitude and compass
> (with automatic deviation feature). I've not tried
> out those gyro/compass
> setup, but can tell that we are using those
> "singles" in pitot static ramp
> testers (we do use a "Kollsman precision reference"
> for calibration
> check). - They really impress.
>
> For those interested in such modern instruments, go
> here;
>
> http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
>
> You can download all detailed information about them
> in "pdf" format.
>
> Torgeir.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Fox In The River |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Wow Bruce, I am glad there are no serious injuries. That is amazing that
there were not.
But what an introduction to flying for that 14 YO. I hope that crash does
not turn him off flying.
Thanks for letting us know.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrington
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fox In The River
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Foxers,
Just a note to mention a local Kitfox II with 582 (aquaintenance of mine)
was a bit too low while giving a ride to a 14 year old. They were flying
upriver here in SW Oregon, and hit a power line. The river is shallow, and
there were no serious injuries to the occupants. Some damage to the Fox,
tho!
Cheers,
bh
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| Subject: | Re: Fox In The River |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Something like that! Took out the power for a few homes!
The Fox went almost straight down from 60-80' into the 3-4' deep S. Umpqua
River after it snagged the wire.
He must have been going too slow.
My power line hit Many years ago was at 85 mph and ripped the line off the
small shed. Only left some strange marks on the LE of the left wing, but
did cause some aerobatic like manuevers until the end of the wire left the
wing. I forgot to mess up the seat due to concentrating on flying the
airplane!
Loved that old IV-1200, but not the 582!
bh
> What is that? Fox one, wire zero?
>
> Glad a Fox saved then again.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Alcohol and static port |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I bet I am not the only one wondering how your
corrected speed and performance works out now compared
to that "old" engine you had. Will it still go past
VNE for real? Can you do your engine breakin without
having to pull power due to overspeed? How has the
Jabber effected your cruise range?
I bet it is smoooooth. :-) How is the sound level
for the European's quiet requirements?
What is the scoop Michel?
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Now that my engine is installed and I
> can fly, I can spend some
> time to go deeper in what is fun: make things work
> perfectly. But I am not sure
> at which end to start. Maybe I should first
> calibrate the ASI and see then what
> needs to be done to the static port.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Pony Express? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There are times like this when I wish we could do a
"pony express" with our cross country friends. You
know, one KF flys with him until the next picks him up
and so on until he gets home. We could each pick him
up inbound to our home airport and fly outbound with
him a bit after fueling or overnighting. Kind of a
buddy system with friendship and safety perks.
Just an idea. There are Fox's most everywhere and I
kind'a like the safety idea.
Kurt S.
--- Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well Dam I didn't hear many arguements for not
> buying a Kitfox - so I bought one!!
> That video is awesome!! I don't plan on flying
> like that but it sure is nice knowing it can take
> the G forces!
> With a little luck I will pick it up in Texas and
> fly it to Sun'N Fun - are there any kitfox owners
> planning to fly their kitfox by Fortworth, TX and
> onto Sun'N Fun around April 8th-12th?
> Again, with a little luck I will fly from sun"n Fun
> to Maine - are there any Kitfox owners flying that
> way after sun'n fun?? It's a huge adventure for this
> 250 TT pilot! Following another Kitfox might make
> it easier for me to enjoy the view.
> My initials are CD - I wanted a number with Charlie
> Delta on the end - Cirrus Design went and reserved
> just about everyone of them!! from 111CD to 999CD -
> that's alot of numbers!! If you have a unique
> number you want - reserve it now!
> Thanks
> cliff in Maine.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Fox In The River |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Speaking of cable hits, a few years back a US Marine E6B hit a gondola cable
in Italy, snapping the cable and killing all in the gondola. But the plane
was able to keep on flying back to base. How in the heck does an aluminum
plane going 300 mph survive a 3 inch thick steel cable? You'd think the
Prowler would have been sliced in two. Armor?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrington
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fox In The River
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Something like that! Took out the power for a few homes!
The Fox went almost straight down from 60-80' into the 3-4' deep S. Umpqua
River after it snagged the wire.
He must have been going too slow.
My power line hit Many years ago was at 85 mph and ripped the line off the
small shed. Only left some strange marks on the LE of the left wing, but
did cause some aerobatic like manuevers until the end of the wire left the
wing. I forgot to mess up the seat due to concentrating on flying the
airplane!
Loved that old IV-1200, but not the 582!
bh
> What is that? Fox one, wire zero?
>
> Glad a Fox saved then again.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum cowl? WAS Jabiru 3300 model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
Michael, looks like you caught my meaning about the flubberglass work.
I also contemplated the aluminum cowl and would still like to try it.
A thought for you on your future cowling adventure.
Since you are thinking of an aluminum to glass transition for the nose bowl
anyway, why not also from the existing fiberglass where it crosses your
firewall? In other words, use your existing fiberglass cowl from your
windshield forward to the firewall, and then use Alum from there up to
the nose bowl?
This is sort of what I did, only with glass.
The Skyfox cowl is split into two halves, top and bottom.
First, I mated the fiberglass to the windshield and extending the sides to
come back to the door frames (due to the extra length of the 3300).
I then measured to where the cowl met the firewall and cut the top
cowl piece in two at that point. Okay there's a bit more to it than that,
but essentially I now have a removable top front cowl half, and a
semi permanent boot cowl that can be removed to access instruments
and wiring.
Okay, I didn't answer your compound curved aluminum question d:(
Yep it can be done, but it's beyond my skills.
TT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 3300 model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Tom Tomlin [ThomasTomlin@comcast.net]
>> Plus I hate fiberglass work anyway. It's a bit itchy.
>
> You mean ... bit-chy itch? :-)
> That's true, tom. Even with thin plastic gloves, the fiber gets through
> it. Boxing gloves help better but it makes working awckward! :-)
> I am not pleased with my epoxy-fiberglass work and next year, I intend to
> make a new cowling in aluminium. The plan is this:
> I buy the Jabiru "nose bowl" that matches the ram air ducts. I keep the
> windscreen and glareshield as it is but cut some of the top of the
> firewall to match a straight line that goes slightly down from the
> windscreen to the top of the "bowl."
> Since I can't work double curves in aluminium, the lower part will go
> straight from a half circle to the air outlet, at the firewall, that will
> also be rounded.
> One thing I am not sure yet is now to make the "lip" that matches the
> windscreen. Can you shape-hammer aluminium as you do copper or brass?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Throttle position |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Thanks Rex. It does help, but does your throttle hit your knee? Is it above
your knee? Is it therefore well above the frame cross-member running
athwartships at the bottom of the panel? Or do you just work it to the
right of your right knee? I'm not only concerned with comfort, but with
safety.
Thanks again,
Guy Buchanan
Guy,
I have just gone over to my hanger and checked things more
accurately for you before misleading you.
No my knee does not normally hit my throttle although with full left rudder
[ ie:- right knee right up ] and throttle right out [ idle ] it can just
brush it, but no problem. To be accurate the throttle is just off centre to
the left. I have a primer and they are close together each side of the
centreline so if the throttle was dead centre it would probably not even
brush my knee at all. The throttle runs under the cross rail at and behind
the bottom of the panel. There is about 1 1/4" space [estimate] between the
throttle and the crossbar. Now also the throttle is angled down slightly
effectively raising the knob a little especially in the idle position. It is
a vernier throttle.
Rex Shaw
Kitfox Classic MKIV/582
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan to Sun-n-Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Lynn,
If I get the chance, I'll go there again this year,
but drive. I am starting the move to Fla and got busy
again. It is a 2.5 her drive from the house I picked
to S&F. (Closing is on 24 March)
I think S&F is a bit friendlier, but the Fox's don't
know what they are missing. They go to the beach
instead of hanging out with us pilots. Oh, those
other Fox's. I usually find about 3-7 at the show
depending on the time. They come and go. Not as many
as OSH. But it is just as full of ideas and things to
look at. You'll have a great time. ;-)
Kurt S.
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Cliff-
> I've been thinking of heading down there too. I hear
> it's not as well attended as Oshkosh...can
> you or others fill me in? Do a lot of 'foxes
> show up? ....errrr, well, you know what I mean. As
> far as vendors go, are they there in the
> numbers that show up at O'kosh?
>
> Lynn
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| Subject: | Aluminum cowl? WAS Jabiru 3300 model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Would you mind posting a few pics. That sounds like a winner.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Tomlin
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum cowl? WAS Jabiru 3300 model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
Michael, looks like you caught my meaning about the flubberglass work.
I also contemplated the aluminum cowl and would still like to try it.
A thought for you on your future cowling adventure.
Since you are thinking of an aluminum to glass transition for the nose bowl
anyway, why not also from the existing fiberglass where it crosses your
firewall? In other words, use your existing fiberglass cowl from your
windshield forward to the firewall, and then use Alum from there up to
the nose bowl?
This is sort of what I did, only with glass.
The Skyfox cowl is split into two halves, top and bottom.
First, I mated the fiberglass to the windshield and extending the sides to
come back to the door frames (due to the extra length of the 3300).
I then measured to where the cowl met the firewall and cut the top
cowl piece in two at that point. Okay there's a bit more to it than that,
but essentially I now have a removable top front cowl half, and a
semi permanent boot cowl that can be removed to access instruments
and wiring.
Okay, I didn't answer your compound curved aluminum question d:(
Yep it can be done, but it's beyond my skills.
TT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 3300 model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Tom Tomlin [ThomasTomlin@comcast.net]
>> Plus I hate fiberglass work anyway. It's a bit itchy.
>
> You mean ... bit-chy itch? :-)
> That's true, tom. Even with thin plastic gloves, the fiber gets through
> it. Boxing gloves help better but it makes working awckward! :-)
> I am not pleased with my epoxy-fiberglass work and next year, I intend to
> make a new cowling in aluminium. The plan is this:
> I buy the Jabiru "nose bowl" that matches the ram air ducts. I keep the
> windscreen and glareshield as it is but cut some of the top of the
> firewall to match a straight line that goes slightly down from the
> windscreen to the top of the "bowl."
> Since I can't work double curves in aluminium, the lower part will go
> straight from a half circle to the air outlet, at the firewall, that will
> also be rounded.
> One thing I am not sure yet is now to make the "lip" that matches the
> windscreen. Can you shape-hammer aluminium as you do copper or brass?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Single Instruments by MGL Avionics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Still no good for me, Kurt.
I'm on an eMac, and have no "left click" capabilities...just the
one-touch mouse that came with this year-and-a-half-old box. I tried
re-booting with no luck and I've been trying to get to the sun-n-fun
site too, and both of those sites report a "broken connection" or
words to that effect. I've been trying to get on sun-n-fun from the
eaa.org site, with no luck but I can link to the other fly-in links
with no problem. I think it's time for the bed and forget this
electronic nonsense for a few hours. : )
Lynn
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 11:17 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
>>> http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Another good substitute for a carb cleaner is good old lacquer
thinner...at least on auto carbs. Be careful what else it may contact
though.
Lynn
On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 11:21 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> The stuck part is usually in the carb throat. Good
> old carb cleaner should clean it up. Look for a brown
> coating and watch it wash off with carb cleaner.
>
> If it is the outside linkage, then you are right. But
> that is unusual.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Jeffrey Puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Taxied out last night and my engine ran like I had a
>> stuck choke (Haven't flown for awhile). Can I use
>> LP-1 or something like it to spray on the choke
>> linkage? Jeff Classic IV
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Puls
>> pulsair@mindspring.com
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
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| Subject: | Fox In The River |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Don,
Well there is low level, and there is low level. They
were at 800' AGL, which is really high "low level" in
Europe. The European pilots I see fly between the
trees.
The EA-6 caught the cable with the top of the tail.
It took off the electronics package on the tail, but
the rest of the plane was fine. 18" lower would have
missed it.
The whole thing became an anti-US PR and money grab
rather than an accident. Same with this latest Mid
East US vs Italian shooting incident. Conspiracy
theories and polotics.
Kurt S.
--- Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
> Speaking of cable hits, a few years back a US Marine
> E6B hit a gondola cable in Italy, snapping the
> cable and killing all in the gondola. But the plane
> was able to keep on flying back to base. How in the
> heck does an aluminum plane going 300 mph survive
> a 3 inch thick steel cable? You'd think the
> Prowler would have been sliced in two. Armor?
>
> Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Re: Fox In The River |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Les Chambers" <l_chambers@ckt.net>
Hi Bruce,
I'm glad you confessed to your old wire-cutting antics, since I was getting
ready to remind everyone and would have made it a more colorful and exciting
episode. I've never seen another Fox with a cable knife.
Les Chambers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fox In The River
> My power line hit Many years ago was at 85 mph and ripped the line off the
> small shed. Only left some strange marks on the LE of the left wing, but
> did cause some aerobatic like manuevers until the end of the wire left the
> wing. I forgot to mess up the seat due to concentrating on flying the
> airplane!
> Loved that old IV-1200, but not the 582!
> bh
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan to Sun-n-Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the inspiration, Kurt. I'm hoping to go and see ALL the
'foxes and the foxes. : )
I'm still trying to make the engine choice (Jab vs Rotax) and hoping I
can get it resolved down there, and who knows maybe bring home a crate
full of engine....that would be sweet.
If only the Jabiru could work with a ground-adjustable prop, I think
I'd have my answer.
Our local chapter of EAA is going to fly down but I'm thinking of
taking my little Toyota motorhome and seeing some friends along the way.
Lynn
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 12:00 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
> If I get the chance, I'll go there again this year,
> but drive. I am starting the move to Fla and got busy
> again. It is a 2.5 her drive from the house I picked
> to S&F. (Closing is on 24 March)
>
> I think S&F is a bit friendlier, but the Fox's don't
> know what they are missing. They go to the beach
> instead of hanging out with us pilots. Oh, those
> other Fox's. I usually find about 3-7 at the show
> depending on the time. They come and go. Not as many
> as OSH. But it is just as full of ideas and things to
> look at. You'll have a great time. ;-)
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cliff-
>> I've been thinking of heading down there too. I hear
>> it's not as well attended as Oshkosh...can
>> you or others fill me in? Do a lot of 'foxes
>> show up? ....errrr, well, you know what I mean. As
>> far as vendors go, are they there in the
>> numbers that show up at O'kosh?
>>
>> Lynn
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Aluminum cowl? WAS Jabiru 3300 model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes, aluminum can be formed nicely almost like copper,
You need a good, hard form to gently hammer the
aluminum to and you need the right alloy aluminum for
the task. It is easier to spread the aluminum around
the curves than to shrink it into curves.
making a good form is a lot of work though. Harder
than making a fiberglass form.
There have been some good EAA articles about how to do
it. I am just a beginner, but I know it works.
The Aircraft Spruce catalog has some good info on
alloys. I bet Torgier can dig some info up for pilots
with horny helmets too.
Kurt S.
> Okay, I didn't answer your compound curved aluminum
> question d:(
> Yep it can be done, but it's beyond my skills.
>
> TT
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kitfox pilots near Rome, GA? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cookflys@juno.com" <cookflys@juno.com>
Terry,
I live in Fairburn Georgia and have a model II 90% complete. I just caught the
tail end of this e-mail so I am not up to speed as to what you have and what your
up to. I am looking for foxers in the metro Atlanta area as I will be making
first flight soon.
Charles Cook
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
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| Subject: | Re: Fox In The River (& power lines) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
When I was in the Marines on Okinawa I had to brief
the following accident:
A Marine CH-46 was flying a low level flight up a
valley. They passed thru an area where an Okinawn
crew was stringing a new power line across the valley.
The crew let the helo pass before pulling it tight.
The helo crew was not informed of the new line, so
they swapped pilot/nav duties at the end of the run
and reversed directions. The line was not up 20
minutes and all aboard the helo died. Of course it
wasn't on a map yet either.
I almost hit a cable at 700' over water in Norway
while flying up a fjord nearly 5 miles wide. No
markings on the cable. Unexpected!
Be careful. They are out there. If you have to cross
a cable, cross at the tower. You can see it. You
might miss the highest cable in a bunch otherwise.
Crop dusters are taught to hit cables with the prop
and cutter, last I heard. Cut the cable, not the
plane.
I wise driver along the AlCan Hwy once got stuck in a
snow storm. After 2 days with no one coming by, he
took off a chain and threw it over the power lines.
people in cold houses made sure the power company was
out there ASAP.
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: [off-topic] Meteorology WAS: Florida Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
I tried to get into that site, but didn't want to
become a member, so I couldn't see what you mean. I
checked a few other sites, but couldn't match the map.
Wish I had more time to look, or more info.
As you know, warm air rises, so you are right.
Otherwise hot air baloons would be a drag. It may be
that the map is making a different comparison than we
think. What did it seem like they were trying to say
- ah - in English please.
I know when we get our Canadian Highs they are
definately colder. You only need to experience one to
know that. I would think you get Artic highs there
too. Clear and cold.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > Lows are from warm light air that sucks inward and
> up.
>
> Er, Kurt, this is off-topic, but since you seem to
> know pretty well your meteorology, I have a
> question for you. .......
> But what I can't figure out is why those areas
> also coincide with low temperature. Likewise, the
> high pressures are generally hotter that the
> surroundings. One would think it is the opposite,
> isn't it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Meteorology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> I tried to get into that site, but didn't want to
> become a member, so I couldn't see what you mean.
Yes, I remember that, Kurt. I took a screendump of today's map and here it is:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Oceanor.gif
It is maybe not the most typical situation but it is today (or rather, yesterday
evening, when I copied it).
There is a low, half way between Norway and Greenland. You know it is a low because
you can a) check on another map, and b) notice that the geopotential height
there is 5100 m, lower than the surrounding. Which makes sense, in a low, you'll
read 500 hPa at a lower altitude than a high pressure.
But you'll notice the dark blue temperature code in the center. It is, from the
scale under, -44C, while the surrounding is more like -40C, also, the center
of the low is colder.
... I can't figure out why!
Cheers,
Michel
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