---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/23/05: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:54 AM - SV: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc (Michel Verheughe) 2. 04:07 AM - Florida to Michigan (Fox5flyer) 3. 04:10 AM - Re: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc Where are you located? (Aerobatics@aol.com) 5. 06:16 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 6. 06:28 AM - Re: test (Hank Seidel) 7. 06:37 AM - 912ULS in Model IV (Hank Seidel) 8. 06:38 AM - Re: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 9. 06:42 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan I flew that plane... (Aerobatics@aol.com) 10. 07:05 AM - Re: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc (Tom Jones) 11. 07:35 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan I flew that plane... (Jose M. Toro) 12. 07:43 AM - Re: Flooding (Kaufjm@aol.com) 13. 07:46 AM - test (Hank Seidel) 14. 08:09 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Don Pearsall) 15. 08:14 AM - Re: Rear Spar Carry Through (Lynn Matteson) 16. 08:16 AM - Florida to Michigan (Fox5flyer) 17. 08:42 AM - Re: Flooding (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 18. 09:03 AM - Re: Flooding (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 19. 09:06 AM - Iceland (Dee Young) 20. 09:33 AM - Re: Iceland (Michel Verheughe) 21. 09:49 AM - Re: Rear Spar Carry Through (Randy Daughenbaugh) 22. 10:51 AM - Re: 582 Crank Needed (Napier, Mark) 23. 10:52 AM - Replacement Tires (Gill Levesque) 24. 01:10 PM - Re: Replacement Tires (joakley@ida.net) 25. 01:34 PM - Re: Rear Spar Carry Through (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 26. 03:52 PM - Re: NSI Oli pressure (NSI AERO) 27. 03:56 PM - Re: Replacement Tires (John Perry) 28. 04:14 PM - Re: Replacement Tires (Jimmie Blackwell) 29. 05:41 PM - Trailer from camper (Ben Baltrusaitis) 30. 05:55 PM - Re: Trailer from camper (Steve Cooper) 31. 06:14 PM - Re: Trailer from camper (Ben Baltrusaitis) 32. 06:23 PM - Re: Flooding (Kirk Martenson) 33. 06:39 PM - Re: Rear Spar Carry Through (flier) 34. 06:57 PM - Re: NSI Oil pressure (Rick) 35. 07:19 PM - Re: Rear Spar Carry Through (Randy Daughenbaugh) 36. 08:20 PM - Re: Florida to Michigan (kurt schrader) 37. 08:49 PM - Re: NSI Oli pressure (kurt schrader) 38. 09:50 PM - Re: Flooding (jimshumaker) 39. 10:25 PM - Turtle deck on Kitfox 4 or 7 (Harry Tucker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:59 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Hello er, ... Adam, is it? I have no more than 100 hours on my Kitfox and as a pilot so my meaning might not be worth very much. Regarding the pins, yes, mine are also tight and I need a mallet to push them out. I guess (and I hope) it is normal. Regarding the stall speed and landing, I have a model 3 with the same wing as you have. I found out that I can't assess my touch down speed, I am too busy to land to look at the instruments! :-) I think I know how close I am from stall from my angle of attack. As I flare, float over the runway, progressively lift the nose, I feel it when the bird is ready to settle on the ground. I find the hard part to evaluate how high I am over the ground so that I don't fall hard as I stall. One thing I could advice you to do is to gap seal your elevator and rudder. You'll get much more control. Regarding your over-revving, if I was you, I would first check your tacho. You can probably borrow an opitcal instrument that counts the passing of the blades of your prop. RC model pilots have often such instruments. You set it to "three blades" and multiply the result by your reduction gear. Do you have a C gearbox? Personnaly, I don't think there is something wrong with your GSC pitch. If it was "slipping" into a finer pitch, it would happen one blade at the time and you would feel vibration and noise from the uneven pitch. But you can check that too. The simplest way is to say, put a piece of paper on a chair or something to the height of your lower prop. Move the prop (without the plugs in to have a smooth rotation) so that all three blades come flush over the paper. With a pencil, mark the edge of the prop. You'll find quickly if the three pitches are the same and it there is a difference in tracking. If you decide to change the pitch, be carefull not to overtight the bolts. The GSC prop can easily be overtighten. There must be a slight gap between the two aluminium parts of the hub, when tight. The taildragger Kitfox is for me a wonderful plane I would't exchange for anything else. But it takes some time to learn and feel confident with. When I got my plane, that I bought second-hand, I still didn't had my license and no instructor was available for a while. Yet I was allowed to do high-speed taxi. (I had already been flying solo on a tricycle). I learnt a lot from high-speed taxi. If you have a long asphalt runway, on a windless day, you can high-speed taxi up and down the runway, lift the tail, settle it down gently, get to know how the plane behaves at slow speed and different tail-up angles. I know that some other pilots were smiling when I went up and down the runway but I didn't care. The same happened when I moved from Spain to Norway and learnt to ski in a park, in the middle of the town. Let them smile, it is training, training and training that will make you a master. Good luck with your plane, Michel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:01 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" As most of you already know, two months ago I flew commercial down to Florida to pick up N24ZM, the S5 IO240 powered Kitfox that Dan Melnik built. The aircraft had some minor hurricane damage from debris flying around in the hangar, but other than some bent rudder rod ends that were easily replaced, structurally it's fine with the remaining damage limited to mostly cosmetic fabric abrasions which can be easily repaired. Because of weather I had to leave the airplane hangared at Palmetto Florida (Manatee airport about 50 miles south of Tampa) until I was able to fly back down there last Tuesday afternoon (15Mar05) to bring it home. Well, being the weather magnet that I am, on Wednesday it started to rain and didn't stop until Thursday evening and I was finally able to depart northbound on Friday morning with a wheels up time of 0700. There was a scattered to broken layer above me and forecast scattered to broken at my first fuel stop in Tifton GA. This is where my problems began. Working with Tampa approach I climbed on top in class B, with tops being only about 4000. I climbed on up to 6500, leaned out to about 5.5gph and pressed on with a stiff headwind that was limiting my ground speed to less than 90 mph. It wasn't long before the broken layer had turned to solid overcast, but forecast for Tifton was broken so I was confident there would be holes. My first problems began when my slow ground speed was eating into my fuel supply with still a good way to go. Additionally, the overcast was still solid. By now I was with center and wasn't getting much help from them in finding a spot to get down. Actually zero help, even when I told them that I was having problems. It was beginning to get tense. Tifton was now reporting 1200 overcast, not broken as forecast, vis 3 miles and I still had that solid layer under me. Fuel was getting low and I was down to less than 7 gallons. No holes. Fortunately I was well above the tops so I had good long range visibility. Finally, over to my 10 oclock about ten miles I saw a suspicious looking dark spot so I rolled over and headed straight for it. Suddenly center was interested in what I was doing and wanted to know where I was going. I told them I was heading for a hole and decided that I'd talked to them enough. When I got there in a few minutes there was indeed a hole, the only one anywhere. It wasn't much but I could see the ground so before it closed up I chopped the power (shock cooling was the least of my concerns), pulled the speed back to 60, rolled it into as tight of a left bank as I dared, and hoping there were no tall towers below me I did a tight spiral down through the hole while not letting my eyes lose contact with the ground below me. I was almost falling. I doubt the hole was more than quarter of a mile in diameter, but it was enough and in about two minutes I was below the overcast and leveling out under a 1200 foot ceiling with visibility about 3 miles, but it was as good as 40 to me. What a wonderful sight, but very dark compared to being on top in the bright sunshine. Garmin 196 took me the next 15 miles or so to Tifton with an uneventful landing and a fill up that took 22 gallons ($3.80gal!) out of the 26 possible. Too close for me! However, all ended well and about 45 minutes later after a briefing, a new flight plan, and clean underwear I was on my way to Knoxville. The flight to Knoxville was better. The wind moved around to the WSW so I was getting a slight push and after about 40 miles the overcast began to gradually break up and soon all I was dealing with was some haze, light winds, and about 115mph ias cruise with a ground speed to match. Much better. It wasn't long before I was climbing up to 7.5 to clear the Smokeys and the rest of the leg was in the clear/haze with TAS of 130 and same on ground speed. Clearing the Smokeys it was then a long en route decent into Knoxville Downtown airport for another uneventful landing and a fill up ($3.25gal), freshen up, snack, new flight plan, and on my way again. I was pretty much in the groove by now and the airplane was running fine, but anything was better than that first leg. Knoxville Downtown is a nice airport with great folks and I'd recommend using it for a gas stop if anybody is heading through that way. I wouldn't recommend Tifton though. Their gas is expensive! Climbing out of Knoxville, keeping a tight right turn northbound to miss a forest of tall towers, and climbing back up to 6.5 was a pleasant climb with light winds, and very little chop. At 6.5 it was glass smooth and with TAS and GS still at 130 I was making good time to Toledo. It was very hazy, but being northbound the sun was always behind me so it wasn't a problem. Visibility was fine, but if had I been flying southbound into the sun I'm sure it wouldn't have been very good. Another long en route decent with Toledo approach culminated in an acceptable landing at Toledo Suburban airport just north of the city at 6pm almost exactly 3 hours from Knoxville and almost exactly 9 flying hours from Palmetto Florida. Temperature on the ground was 40f and a little breezy so as soon as I got out of the warm airplane I started getting cold, but it wasn't long before I located our Fred Shiple who was at his (heated) hangar working on his beautiful S5 with 912S while awaiting my arrival. Fred had previously offered to put me up for the night and made arrangements to put my airplane in a hangar which we took care of and were soon on our way to his house in Toledo. A couple glasses of wine with dinner and it wasn't long before I was feeling the fatigue of the trip, but not until after watching the weather channel and seeing that a big front was moving in quickly. Things weren't looking good for getting out the next day and as it turned out not the next day either (Sunday). Ceilings were very low (IFR), visibility less than 3, with temps about 30f with mist and light snow flurries for the remaining 230 miles to my home. Perfect weather for icing. However, things were forecast to be better on Monday and as it turned out I was able to get airborne at 0945 Monday morning. The weather wasn't great, but definitely doable. I wasn't able to get more than 1200 agl and although a bit of chop, visibility was good and after a bit of murkiness with light snow around Flint MI things began to clear up and I was able to get on top (I'm a slow learner) of the broken/scattered layer at 6.5 for the last hundred miles of clear sailing and good speed. Another en route decent down through a few puffies into Mikado in NE MI (35 miles south of Alpena) for a decent soft field landing on about 5 inches of new wet snow on my grass strip. No problems though as the airplane remained belly side down. Taxi back took quite a bit of power because of the snow, but still no trouble. Two hours later the airplane was folded up and tucked way in the Skunk Works where she'll spend the next couple months getting her abrasions and boo boos attended to. Overall the airplane performed flawlessly. Fuel consumption averaged 5.5 gph, no oil was consumed, and other than the first leg, it was a reasonably comfortable and low stress ride. I'd like to thank all those listers who offered their services. I'd have loved to stop and visit with all of you, but I was on a roll to beat the weather and I'm sure most of you understand how that goes. My special thanks goes to Fred Shiple and his beautiful and gracious wife Bobby at Toledo for their outstanding hospitality. They took great care of me and made me feel right at home in their beautiful house. I feel that I owe you Fred, and hopefully one day I can make it up to you--and I don't forget. On a final note: Anybody who wants to hammer on me for getting caught on top of that overcast on the first leg, feel free. I probably should have done a better job of ensuring a greater margin for error concerning the weather at my destination. No excuses. I got myself into that mess, but fortunately--with some luck--I was able to get myself out of it. It would have been nice though if center had offered some help. I spent a career in ATC and worked Seattle Center too, and I don't recall ever observing anyone with that sort of lack of concern when they knew someone was on the verge of getting into trouble. Deke Morisse with two S5s ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:10 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 3/22/2005 10:19:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, adamkmcc@mountain.net writes: seemed to have to potential to over-rev. The last few flights were difficult as I could only use about 70% of the throttle and the engine was at redline without the climb performance that it initially had with the same RPMs when I flew it the first time or two. Boy does this problem sound familar..I spent about 3 months and $4K on a very similar thing. I used to describe my RPM's as "Surging". I bet if you searched the archives, you'd find 2 thousand post on the old surging 582. I would bet that you have a slipping "cone"/nut in the gear box ("C" box I assume). If allowed to continue, it will burr up the inside of the cone. It is a fairly simple fix. Pull off the gearbox cover and test the big nut for torque. It should be around 250 ft. lbs. Once you determine it's low, pull it all off and degrease thoroughly. Then, you go back together with a special lock-tite and torque to 250 ft. lbs. (check this number??). Even if this is not the problem, it is an easy fix and should be done to avoid future problems. This is identified in a Rotax Service Bulletin or Service Letter (forget which) Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:38 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc Where are you located? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com Dave KF2 582 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:28 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/2005 7:08:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes: As most of you already know, two months ago I flew commercial down to Florida to pick up N24ZM, the S5 IO240 powered Kitfox that Dan Melnik built. The aircraft had some minor hurricane damage from debris flying around in Deke, Great trip report. You're a dummy for getting caught on top. Somebody had to say it. Ha... Welcome home. Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:59 AM PST US From: Hank Seidel Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Seidel test ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:24 AM PST US From: Hank Seidel Subject: Kitfox-List: 912ULS in Model IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Seidel Hi, I am building a Model IV and am installing a 912ULS. The manual is some what out of date on this and I would like to know if any builders have pictures of a completed ignition module installation that they could post. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Hank ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:15 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 3/22/2005 10:19:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, adamkmcc@mountain.net writes: sat in a hangar from 93 till now so is it likely that the maple has shrank and the prop needs repitched? Will I need special tools or will I just need safety wire and something to measure with? I have a couple of high end Suunto compass that have clinometers in them. I think that they might be more accurate My GSC suffered from either shrinkage or, it was overtorqued at one time. Prop was used and I suspect it might have been overtorqued. Once it's overtorqued, the root becomes slightly oval in shape. The oval part doesn't want to turn properly in the still round alum halves. When my problem occurred, I noticed some small vibration. I checked the pitch and sure enough, one blade was off just a little. I switched to the Warp Drive after that. A method I used for setting the pitch worked pretty good. I used a small laser light mounted on a piece of wood. I placed the wood into a bed of epoxy on the back side of one blade with a piece of plastic between the blade and the epoxy (for obvious reasons). Once the epoxy was set, I could remove it and place it on the other two blades at the exact distance from the center of the spinner. Used a piece of thick rubber band to hold it in place. Turn the blade that you are adjusting so the laser light will hit a spot on the hanger wall say, 50' away. Mark the spot on the wall and set the other two blade to hit the same spot. The further you shoot the beam, the more accurate the setting. You can also measure the distance to the spot on the wall and use math to determine how many inches of movement equals a degree of change in pitch. Just make sure the plane is secure and doesn't move during the adjustments. On the other hand, I think the protractor that came with the Warp Drive works just as well. BTW, I have to tap my wing pins to get them started then I can pull them out but, they are snug. I think snug is better than loose. Since I very rarely fold my wings, I have replaced my pins with AN bolts/castle nuts and lightly torqued. Where are you located? Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:32 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan I flew that plane... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/2005 8:16:59 AM Central Standard Time, AlbertaIV@aol.com writes: morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes: As most of you already know, two months ago I flew commercial down to Florida to pick up N24ZM, the S5 IO240 powered Kitfox that Dan Melnik built. The aircraft had some minor hurricane damage from debris flying around in Deke, Great trip report. You're a dummy for getting caught on top. Somebody had to say it. Ha... Welcome home. Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 Congrats thats a beautiful plane... the best I ever saw :-) :-) Dave KF 2 582 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:35 AM PST US From: Tom Jones Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Pin Tension/pitch/etc --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones >I am flying a KF II with a 582. Aircraft is light weighing in at >460lbs. After a few hours of flying the pin on the right wing leading >edge is consistently tight. It is a bit hard to pull out the hairpin to >remove the pin to fold the wing. Is it just the hair pin that gets tight after flying? If so I would check further on this. With the pins in place push up and down real hard on the leading edge spar next to the pin. See if the spar moves any. If it does, the fuselage lug has been filed down too short and the movement may be working the attach pin upward in flight. I would want to weld or epoxy a spacer on the lug to tighten it up. By the way, tail wheel instructors are non existant in Central Oregon too, and flight schools in central Washington look at me like I have a screw loose when I ask about tail wheel instruction. Tom Jones, Classic IV, Ellensburg Washington ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:11 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan I flew that plane... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Deke: I recently saw in the list that the new Dan Melnik's toy appeared in page 106 of latest Sport aviation. When I checked the magazine, I found instead your toy, N24ZM. Is it this a misunderstanding? By the way, I saw that plane in Sun&Fun 97. Very nice. Enjoy it! Jose Aerobatics@aol.com wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/2005 8:16:59 AM Central Standard Time, AlbertaIV@aol.com writes: morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes: As most of you already know, two months ago I flew commercial down to Florida to pick up N24ZM, the S5 IO240 powered Kitfox that Dan Melnik built. The aircraft had some minor hurricane damage from debris flying around in Deke, Great trip report. You're a dummy for getting caught on top. Somebody had to say it. Ha... Welcome home. Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 Congrats thats a beautiful plane... the best I ever saw :-) :-) Dave KF 2 582 Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:01 AM PST US From: Kaufjm@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com Kirk Have you checked your plugs? I bet there black too. I have a IV with a 912ULS with the same problem except the residue is light colored. I take the bowl off and its full of gas, same as yours, stars hard, vents fuel, misses when I pull the power back when flying (no fun) and no 1 seems to know why. I cleaned out the carbs, needle valves, etc., but still have the problem. I am thinking there could be a piece of fiber glass or what ever from the tank or from the fuel lines stuck where the needle seats and doesn't allow the fuel to shut off. It wouldn't have to be a very big piece. Maybe the residue causes the needle to not seat. I don't know. I cleaned all my fuel lines before I installed them and blew air through them and it ran good at 1st. Jon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:04 AM PST US From: Hank Seidel Subject: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Seidel test again ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:02 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" What a great and detailed report, Deke! It was fun reading and it was like we were there. But as far as being caught on top, it is like landing gear up: There are those who have already done it, and those who will do it. Your flying skills got you out of a bad situation in spite of negligent controllers. You are forgiven. Now you have another project to tinker with. Be sure to bring it to some air shows this year! Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson I'm with you, Howard...my earlier IV manual says to rivet, and my later IV manual says (paint) "before riveting, bolting, or bonding them in place." The large drawing in the later manual shows riveting, but the close-ups shows and says "bond". I guess all the bases are covered when they do this. : ) I myself, drilled the holes for rivets right after I got my kit, and before I heard of the "no-drill" rule. I will use Hysol and flox AND rivets when I get around to installing the angle...what the heck, can't hurt. Lynn On Tuesday, March 22, 2005, at 04:02 PM, Howard Firm wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > I have two seperate builder manuals for my -5, one of them says to > rivit the > piece on, the other says not to....My -4 manual also said to rivit it > on. > > > Howard Firm > 508 12th St. South > Virginia MN 55792 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" >> <7suds@chartermi.net> >> >> Group, >> What are your thoughts, While working on the rebuild of my ground >> looped >> Model 5 I noticed the previous builder has riveted the forward turtle >> deck >> support to the inside of the rear spar carry through, according to the >> manual this is a big no no. Any one have any thoughts on whether or >> not I >> need to do a fix? If so, what? >> Thanks, >> Lloyd >> >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > Download, > _- > ======================================================================= > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:57 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Yes, that's correct. It's the one in SA mag that I brought home. Dan is currently building an F1 Rocket with IO540 (similar to a Harmon Rocket). Should be a real screamer. Deke I recently saw in the list that the new Dan Melnik's toy appeared in page 106 of latest Sport aviation. When I checked the magazine, I found instead your toy, N24ZM. Is it this a misunderstanding? By the way, I saw that plane in Sun&Fun 97. Very nice. Enjoy it! Jose Aerobatics@aol.com wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/2005 8:16:59 AM Central Standard Time, AlbertaIV@aol.com writes: morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes: As most of you already know, two months ago I flew commercial down to Florida to pick up N24ZM, the S5 IO240 powered Kitfox that Dan Melnik built. The aircraft had some minor hurricane damage from debris flying around in Deke, Great trip report. You're a dummy for getting caught on top. Somebody had to say it. Ha... Welcome home. Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 Congrats thats a beautiful plane... the best I ever saw :-) :-) Dave KF 2 582 Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:46 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net have you checked that the float lever, when gently lifted will stop the flow of fuel with the bowl off? it doesn't take much debris or wear to prevent the float valve from closing completely. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com > > Kirk > Have you checked your plugs? I bet there black too. > I have a IV with a 912ULS with the same problem except the residue is light > colored. I take the bowl off and its full of gas, same as yours, stars hard, > vents fuel, misses when I pull the power back when flying (no fun) and no 1 > seems to know why. > I cleaned out the carbs, needle valves, etc., but still have the problem. > I am thinking there could be a piece of fiber glass or what ever from the > tank or from the fuel lines stuck where the needle seats and doesn't allow the > fuel to shut off. It wouldn't have to be a very big piece. Maybe the residue > causes the needle to not seat. I don't know. I cleaned all my fuel lines before > I installed them and blew air through them and it ran good at 1st. > Jon > > > > > > have you checked that the float lever, when gently lifted will stop the flow of fuel with the bowl off? it doesn't take much debris or wear to prevent the float valve from closing completely. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com Kirk Have you checked your plugs? I bet there black too. I have a IV with a 912ULS with the same problem except the residue is light colored. I take the bowl off and its full of gas, same as yours, stars hard, vents fuel, misses when I pull the power back when flying (no fun) and no 1 seems to know why. I cleaned out the carbs, needle valves, etc., but still have the problem. I am thinking there could be a piece of fiber glass or what ever from the tank or from the fuel lines stuck where the needle seats and doesn't allow the fuel to shut off. It wouldn't have to be a very big piece. Maybe the residue causes the needle to not seat. I don't know. I cleaned all my fuel lines before I installed them and blew air through them and it ran good at 1st. Jon ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:55 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/2005 10:43:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Kaufjm@aol.com writes: I cleaned out the carbs, needle valves, etc., but still have the problem. I am thinking there could be a piece of fiber glass or what ever from the tank or from the fuel lines stuck where the needle seats and doesn't allow the In one of the many procedures, it calls for removing the float valve and back blowing with air pressure while you hold a clean white cloth over the fuel inlet. Catch what might come out. Also, are the seats replaceable? Are the floats set correctly? Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:07 AM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Kitfox-List: Iceland --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Thor, the pictures a great. Thanks for sharing them with everyone. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:36 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Iceland --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Dee Young wrote: > Thor, the pictures a great. Thanks for sharing them with everyone. Yes, and the Icelandic language is like Norwegian with the letters scrambled around! :-) But Icelandic is the true old Norsemen language. Today's Norwegian is a Danish dialect. Anyway, Leif Eriksson left Norway to visit his father in Iceland. Once there, he is told that his father went to Greenland for the summer. Leif sail to Greenland and, by the way, push all the way west to Newfoundland. Man, they didn't even had a compass! Crazy guys! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:04 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Lloyd. Remember that this spar is in compression when flying. (At least when flying right side up!) I would not think that this is a problem. Now the strut carry through..... Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson I'm with you, Howard...my earlier IV manual says to rivet, and my later IV manual says (paint) "before riveting, bolting, or bonding them in place." The large drawing in the later manual shows riveting, but the close-ups shows and says "bond". I guess all the bases are covered when they do this. : ) I myself, drilled the holes for rivets right after I got my kit, and before I heard of the "no-drill" rule. I will use Hysol and flox AND rivets when I get around to installing the angle...what the heck, can't hurt. Lynn On Tuesday, March 22, 2005, at 04:02 PM, Howard Firm wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > I have two seperate builder manuals for my -5, one of them says to > rivit the > piece on, the other says not to....My -4 manual also said to rivit it > on. > > > Howard Firm > 508 12th St. South > Virginia MN 55792 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" >> <7suds@chartermi.net> >> >> Group, >> What are your thoughts, While working on the rebuild of my ground >> looped >> Model 5 I noticed the previous builder has riveted the forward turtle >> deck >> support to the inside of the rear spar carry through, according to the >> manual this is a big no no. Any one have any thoughts on whether or >> not I >> need to do a fix? If so, what? >> Thanks, >> Lloyd >> >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > Download, > _- > ======================================================================= > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:10 AM PST US From: "Napier, Mark" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Crank Needed --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" I just replaced the crank in my grey head 582. The engine had ~170 hours on it since new and looked perfect inside. But most engine shops I talked to recommended not running on it. You can tell which crank you have by looking into the intake ports. On the old crank the big end of the connecting rods are rough on the outside and the same color as the rest of the rod - kind of a light grey-brown color. On the new crank the big end of the connecting rods are physically larger and are machined on the outside so that they will still fit into the case. They are brightly polished around the big end and then transition to that dull-grey color. The crank alone cost over $900 after some trade in credit. Probably they scrap the old one and offer the credit just to get it off the market. Just fired that engine up last weekend. I wanted to be sure it had enough oil and so had pre-oiled and lubed according to the manual, bled all the air out of the injection pump, wired the pump lever to full on, poured some oil into the intakes and cylinders, and premixed synthetic in the gas. Needless to say it made smoke! Had to stop because the EGT was very low on the rear cylinder and the rear carb was dumping gas all over that hot muffler. I have cleaned and replaced the seals in both carbs but maybe the adjustment of the floats is wrong or I picked up some trash under the new needle valve; hope to find out this week. Good Luck with your engine, Mark Napier - - - - - - - Appended by Scientific-Atlanta, Inc. - - - - - - - This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The information is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person responsible for delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from your computer. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:34 AM PST US From: Gill Levesque Subject: Kitfox-List: Replacement Tires --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque Hi All!!, Well, My old shaved Knobby tires are in need of a change!! I will be on asfault most of the time!! To those of you who have changed over from the originals, what type of tread did you go to?? I plan on using "Golf cart Tires" probably from CARLISLE! One tire available is a 18.5x8.5 x8 with a squareish profile and straight ribs!! Others, have a rounder profile( crown) but different tread!! Sure need some help here!!! Any suggestions !! Thanks Gil Levesque C-IGVL Model 4 1050 582 Still alive and flyin!!!! Gil --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Replacement Tires From: joakley@ida.net --> Kitfox-List message posted by: joakley@ida.net Gil, I am running trailer tiers on my fox 4. 16.5x6.5x8. works great, no flats. john Oakley > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque > > Hi All!!, > > Well, My old shaved Knobby tires are in need of a change!! I will be on > asfault most of the time!! To those of you who have changed over from the > originals, what type of tread did you go to?? I plan on using "Golf cart > Tires" probably from CARLISLE! One tire available is a 18.5x8.5 x8 with a > squareish profile and straight ribs!! Others, have a rounder profile( > crown) but different tread!! Sure need some help here!!! Any suggestions > !! > Thanks Gil Levesque > C-IGVL > Model 4 1050 > 582 > > > Still alive and flyin!!!! > > Gil > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:00 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/2005 3:29:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes: Lloyd. Remember that this spar is in compression when flying. (At least when flying right side up!) I would not think that this is a problem. Now the strut carry through..... Randy A long long time ago and I think it was SS (might be wrong) stated that theoretically, you could remove the front pin in flight and the wing would not fold back. That would mean that the rear spar is not in tension during flight. However, I don't think anyone has ever pulled the fwd pin to test this. Don Smythe Classic IV w/ 582 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:44 PM PST US From: "NSI AERO" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oli pressure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" Hi Kurt, Yes, there is a supplier that has "Quote" Hi-volume pumps available for the EA81. (Refer to Rick's posting on vendor web site) I have not had the opportunity to check this hi-volume pump out yet. If it in fact has a longer gear rotor set than the factory unit, it would be a true higher volume pump. This type of pump would give you an increase in oil pressure at idle speeds when the oil is hot and would reduce the need for the straight 60 WT oil for summer use in the Turbo EA81. At higher speeds the relief valve will dump/bypass oil to maintain the correct 62 to 68 PSI. Shimming the oil pump relief valve is not a good idea. It would raise the oil pressure at higher RPM's and not do anything for the slow speed pressure that we are interested in improving. As far as the oil temp reading point, pressure is directly related to oil temperature. (Once the engine is at operating temp) I would like to know what the temp is as it is feeding the engine bearings. This would give me an actuate measurement of how will the oil cooling system is working with out having additional temp senders upstream in the oil circuit. If you have a O.E.M. pump I would follow the guideline set forth in the NSI EA81 Operating guidelines and run the 60 wt oil during the hotter summer months. A good indicator of when to switch is if the oil pressure drops below 30 PSI at an idle (1350 RPM) after two or three touch and goes. This type of operation will subject the oil to hi temp loads from the Turbo and you can see how will your oil cooling system is working. Remember, NEVER LET YOUR PRESSURE DROP BELOW 20 PSI. The number 4 rod bearing is the furthest one from the pump and at this pressure will not be able to maintain the rod bearing. If it does want to drop below 30 PSI at an idle, just run the engine at a higher RPM ( About 2000) for a couple of minutes. As the oil cools down the pressure will steadily increase. Then you can resume idling at 1350 RPM with 30 plus PSI. We are preparing to build another batch of Turbo EA81's and I will obtain one of the hi-volume pumps and try it out on the dyno. I will let you know how it works out on the 165 HP Turbo. Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oli pressure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader --> Lance, Got a question for you. Is there a larger volume oil pump that will fit the EA-81 engines? I think that this could help hold the pressure up while providing better cooling on our turbo engines thru more circulation with a lighter weight oil. This might be better than using heavier oils for the turbo models. Kurt S. S-5/NSI EA-81 turbo ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:41 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Replacement Tires --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" I use the cheng shin tires . I buy them from Rocky mountain atv and only cost 19.99 each .these have not been shaved . I like the knobbies on them keeps the stickers from puncturing them . I fly off asphalt also and off of turf , they work great . these are the 20x7x8 tires . Fly safe fly low fly slow John Perry kitfox 2 N718PD -------Original Message------- From: Gill Levesque Subject: Kitfox-List: Replacement Tires --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque Hi All!!, Well, My old shaved Knobby tires are in need of a change!! I will be on asfault most of the time!! To those of you who have changed over from the originals, what type of tread did you go to?? I plan on using "Golf cart Tires" probably from CARLISLE! One tire available is a 18.5x8.5 x8 with a squareish profile and straight ribs!! Others, have a rounder profile( crown) but different tread!! Sure need some help here!!! Any suggestions !! Thanks Gil Levesque C-IGVL Model 4 1050 582 Still alive and flyin!!!! Gil --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:06 PM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Replacement Tires --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" I am using a 4 ply Goodyear tire 16x6.5x8. My previous tire was Chen Shen 16x6.5x8. Both the Goodyear and the Chen Shen tires were made for golf carts. While the Goodyear tires are ok, I think the plane handled a little better on landing because the Chen Shin tires were a little more rounded. I tried the squared profile and found them to cause the plane to be a bit more difficult to handle on landing. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Levesque" Subject: Kitfox-List: Replacement Tires > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque > > Hi All!!, > > Well, My old shaved Knobby tires are in need of a change!! I will be on asfault most of the time!! To those of you who have changed over from the originals, what type of tread did you go to?? I plan on using "Golf cart Tires" probably from CARLISLE! One tire available is a 18.5x8.5 x8 with a squareish profile and straight ribs!! Others, have a rounder profile( crown) but different tread!! Sure need some help here!!! Any suggestions !! > Thanks Gil Levesque > C-IGVL > Model 4 1050 > 582 > > > Still alive and flyin!!!! > > Gil > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:53 PM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" I need a trailer for my Model V. I haven't had any luck finding a boat trailer yet. Has anyone converted an old pop-up camper to a Kitfox trailer? (Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't get the archives to find anything for me). Thanks! Ben Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:35 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" I've got a trailer for my Avid Mark IV. I keep the bird hangared, but the trailer has come in handy once or twice. Do you weld Ben? You can build a spiffy trailer for about $600. Mine is 3" U-channel and 3" box for the tongue extension. The hitch, axle, wheels and tires came from a local trailer place. With a chop saw you can cut all your material to length in one day...weld it all up the next. You want the main gear legs to sit just aft of the trailer axle. I added a piece that allows the plane to be towed in a level position. I think it rides better that way. If you want to build your own trailer let me know and I'll sent you a pic or two. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" I need a trailer for my Model V. I haven't had any luck finding a boat trailer yet. Has anyone converted an old pop-up camper to a Kitfox trailer? (Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't get the archives to find anything for me). Thanks! Ben Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:03 PM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Thanks, Steve. Yes, I can weld. I talked to a boat dealer yesterday and he said I could buy a new 16' trailer for $395. He also said two guys traded up and sold their old trailers for $50-$75 and had good tires and bearings. I was hoping to find an old one to weld, but some of the boat places in PA are just opening now for the season. Please send the pics, Steve. I'm sure they will help. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Cooper To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: 03/23/2005 8:55 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" I've got a trailer for my Avid Mark IV. I keep the bird hangared, but the trailer has come in handy once or twice. Do you weld Ben? You can build a spiffy trailer for about $600. Mine is 3" U-channel and 3" box for the tongue extension. The hitch, axle, wheels and tires came from a local trailer place. With a chop saw you can cut all your material to length in one day...weld it all up the next. You want the main gear legs to sit just aft of the trailer axle. I added a piece that allows the plane to be towed in a level position. I think it rides better that way. If you want to build your own trailer let me know and I'll sent you a pic or two. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" I need a trailer for my Model V. I haven't had any luck finding a boat trailer yet. Has anyone converted an old pop-up camper to a Kitfox trailer? (Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't get the archives to find anything for me). Thanks! Ben Do Not Archive -- No virus found in this incoming message. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:28 PM PST US From: "Kirk Martenson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" Jon: I remember two years ago when this problem first started, I had my radiator flap closed half way and I was airtaxiing across a lake ( I was on skis at the time). I looked at my cyl head temp gauge and noticed it was high, not in the red but high. Ever since then the flooding has been there. Did you ever run your engine hot? Did the flooding start after that? Maybe just a coincidence. Kirk ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com > > Kirk > Have you checked your plugs? I bet there black too. > I have a IV with a 912ULS with the same problem except the residue is > light > colored. I take the bowl off and its full of gas, same as yours, stars > hard, > vents fuel, misses when I pull the power back when flying (no fun) and no > 1 > seems to know why. > I cleaned out the carbs, needle valves, etc., but still have the problem. > I am thinking there could be a piece of fiber glass or what ever from the > tank or from the fuel lines stuck where the needle seats and doesn't allow > the > fuel to shut off. It wouldn't have to be a very big piece. Maybe the > residue > causes the needle to not seat. I don't know. I cleaned all my fuel lines > before > I installed them and blew air through them and it ran good at 1st. > Jon > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:25 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" The rear spar is in tension in flight. The geometry of the lift strut is such that the front spar is in compression. --- Original Message --- From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > >In a message dated 3/23/2005 3:29:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, >rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes: > >Lloyd. >Remember that this spar is in compression when flying. (At least when >flying right side up!) I would not think that this is a problem. Now the >strut carry through..... > >Randy > > >A long long time ago and I think it was SS (might be wrong) stated that >theoretically, you could remove the front pin in flight and the wing would not >fold back. That would mean that the rear spar is not in tension during flight. > However, I don't think anyone has ever pulled the fwd pin to test this. > >Don Smythe >Classic IV w/ 582 > > >_- ====================================================== ====== browse Subscriptions page, FAQ, List >_- ====================================================== ====== > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:54 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil pressure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Lance, Good to hear your advice. So do I stand corrected? The best place for the oil sending unit would be as close as possible to the oil pick up tube or better yet in the oil pump housing itself? I too will be listening, so to speak, for the outcome of the high volume pump. Right now the 20-50 semi syn seems to be keeping pressures with in range but I have a monster oil cooler right on the front of the cowl. Refer to sportflight upload. Kurt, maybe you could ask the manufacturer how the pump compares physically to the stock one. You know I am for improving any aspect if possible. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of NSI AERO Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oli pressure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" Hi Kurt, Yes, there is a supplier that has "Quote" Hi-volume pumps available for the EA81. (Refer to Rick's posting on vendor web site) I have not had the opportunity to check this hi-volume pump out yet. If it in fact has a longer gear rotor set than the factory unit, it would be a true higher volume pump. This type of pump would give you an increase in oil pressure at idle speeds when the oil is hot and would reduce the need for the straight 60 WT oil for summer use in the Turbo EA81. At higher speeds the relief valve will dump/bypass oil to maintain the correct 62 to 68 PSI. Shimming the oil pump relief valve is not a good idea. It would raise the oil pressure at higher RPM's and not do anything for the slow speed pressure that we are interested in improving. As far as the oil temp reading point, pressure is directly related to oil temperature. (Once the engine is at operating temp) I would like to know what the temp is as it is feeding the engine bearings. This would give me an actuate measurement of how will the oil cooling system is working with out having additional temp senders upstream in the oil circuit. If you have a O.E.M. pump I would follow the guideline set forth in the NSI EA81 Operating guidelines and run the 60 wt oil during the hotter summer months. A good indicator of when to switch is if the oil pressure drops below 30 PSI at an idle (1350 RPM) after two or three touch and goes. This type of operation will subject the oil to hi temp loads from the Turbo and you can see how will your oil cooling system is working. Remember, NEVER LET YOUR PRESSURE DROP BELOW 20 PSI. The number 4 rod bearing is the furthest one from the pump and at this pressure will not be able to maintain the rod bearing. If it does want to drop below 30 PSI at an idle, just run the engine at a higher RPM ( About 2000) for a couple of minutes. As the oil cools down the pressure will steadily increase. Then you can resume idling at 1350 RPM with 30 plus PSI. We are preparing to build another batch of Turbo EA81's and I will obtain one of the hi-volume pumps and try it out on the dyno. I will let you know how it works out on the 165 HP Turbo. Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oli pressure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader --> Lance, Got a question for you. Is there a larger volume oil pump that will fit the EA-81 engines? I think that this could help hold the pressure up while providing better cooling on our turbo engines thru more circulation with a lighter weight oil. This might be better than using heavier oils for the turbo models. Kurt S. S-5/NSI EA-81 turbo ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:29 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Are we talking about the wing spars at the top of the cabin area? Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flier Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" The rear spar is in tension in flight. The geometry of the lift strut is such that the front spar is in compression. --- Original Message --- From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > >In a message dated 3/23/2005 3:29:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, >rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes: > >Lloyd. >Remember that this spar is in compression when flying. (At least when >flying right side up!) I would not think that this is a problem. Now the >strut carry through..... > >Randy > > >A long long time ago and I think it was SS (might be wrong) stated that >theoretically, you could remove the front pin in flight and the wing would not >fold back. That would mean that the rear spar is not in tension during flight. > However, I don't think anyone has ever pulled the fwd pin to test this. > >Don Smythe >Classic IV w/ 582 > > >_- ====================================================== ====== browse Subscriptions page, FAQ, List >_- ====================================================== ====== > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:14 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I agree. A great description Deke! Can't say that I can throw the first stone either. I once had to fly a General about 150 miles to Norflok Va in a helo that had a 220 mile range. The forecast was for clear all the way. Not so. As I approached Norfolk the ground fog rose up. By the time I was there you could only see the tops of the buildings. In fact is was fogged in as far as I could see, let alone fly. The general was yelling in one ear telling me what he wanted to do. The controller was giving me an ILS (below mins) in the other. I had no ILS on board. The people on the ground waiting for the general wanted me to hover straight down thru the fog to a ball field because they could see straight up. I died...... No actually I took a GCA (ground controlled approach) and made it ok with a little gas left. But never trusted the wx men again. Glad you made it with your trophy in spite of the lack of support from ATC. Some places are like that. Out of Louisville I learned that Indy Center is the "speed bump of air traffic control". Kurt S. --- Don Pearsall wrote: > > What a great and detailed report, Deke! ..... > But as far as being caught on top, it is like > landing gear up: There are those who have already > done it, and those who will do it. Your > flying skills got you out of a bad situation in > spite of negligent controllers. You are forgiven. > > Now you have another project to tinker with. Be sure > to bring it to some air shows this year! > > Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:11 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oli pressure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Thanks Lance and Rick, I understand you to mean that the pump will have longer as in "wider" gears for more volume, correct Lance? That just means a wider case to hold them and hopefully the hoses and fittings will remain the same. I'll have to ask the manufacturer, or wait until you try it first Lance. Tomorrow I am closing on a new house in Fla and moving has priority. But if I get there first, I'll report on my findings. So far I have been fighting to maintain above 30 psi at all times. Maybe this is too conservative for low power to idle, but I can get it when the oil is below 210F. Like you said Lance, I just let it cool a bit. Once I pull the power back, it cools rapidly even at warm OAT's. I think I am right at the limits of my cooler. Now I must be be off for a week while I set up a new house. Kurt S. --- NSI AERO wrote: > Hi Kurt, > Yes, there is a supplier that has "Quote" Hi-volume > pumps available for the EA81. (Refer to Rick's > posting on vendor web site) I have not had the > opportunity to check this hi-volume pump out yet. > If it in fact has a longer gear rotor set than > the factory unit, it would be a true higher > volume pump.................. > > > If you have a O.E.M. pump, I would follow the > guideline set forth in the NSI EA81 Operating > guidelines and run the 60 wt oil during the hotter > summer months. A good indicator of when to switch > is if the oil pressure drops below 30 PSI at an > idle (1350 RPM) after two or three touch and goes. > This type of operation will subject the oil to > hi temp loads from the Turbo and you can see how > well your oil cooling system is working. > Remember, NEVER LET YOUR PRESSURE DROP BELOW 20 PSI. > ................................ > We are preparing to build another batch of Turbo > EA81's and I will obtain one of the hi-volume pumps > and try it out on the dyno. I will let you know > how it works out on the 165 HP Turbo. > > Lance ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:37 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" > Hi Kirk I had the same thing happen on my 912. I tried everything and finally wound up bending the flap on the float lever that closes the valve. (New fuel valves did not work either. Neither did sending them to a carb shop and having them cleaned.) I only needed to move the tab a slight amount and the cure was instant and long lasting. I believe that once the floats have topped out they could not shut the valve. The float level seemed correct after the repair. Jim Shumaker > I have a Kitfox classic IV with a 912UL attached to it. I have been > having a flooding problem in that the engine is hard to start because > there is too much gas getting into the float bowl. When I take the bowl > off, the gas comes gushing out as soon as the seal between the bowl and > the carb body is broken. When the needle valve is opened, it sounds like > there is air pressure pushing the gas into the bowl. I checked the level > of the floats, they seem to be OK. I also purchased new floats from BING. > Very expensive at $ 36.00 each. The new floats did not fix the problem. > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Turtle deck on Kitfox 4 or 7 From: "Harry Tucker" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" Has anyone come up with a mod that enables one to enter the baggage area from outside the plane by altering or hinging the turtle deck? Harry Tucker DISCLAIMER Internet communications are not secure and therefore Jt's Europe Ltd does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any third party. Any views or opinions expressed are those of the author, and do not necessarily represent those of Jt's Europe Ltd. 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