Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/24/05


Total Messages Posted: 28



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     1. 03:09 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (Fox5flyer)
     2. 04:37 AM - Re: Iceland (kitfox@simnet.is)
     3. 05:05 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (kitfox@simnet.is)
     4. 06:17 AM - Re: Rear Spar Carry Through (flier)
     5. 06:59 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Steve Zakreski)
     6. 07:17 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (Brett Walmsley)
     7. 07:28 AM - Attitude indicators (Ben Baltrusaitis)
     8. 07:35 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (Ben Baltrusaitis)
     9. 07:46 AM - Re: Flooding (Kaufjm@aol.com)
    10. 08:13 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Fox5flyer)
    11. 08:19 AM - Vertical Stabilizer (Maurice Fraser)
    12. 09:10 AM - Re: Flooding (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
    13. 10:10 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Steve Zakreski)
    14. 10:26 AM - Re: Attitude indicators (Steve Zakreski)
    15. 10:49 AM - Re: Vertical Stabilizer (Michel Verheughe)
    16. 12:32 PM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Fox5flyer)
    17. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: 582 Crank Needed (jareds@verizon.net)
    18. 02:01 PM - For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine (Steve Maher)
    19. 03:38 PM - Tyres (Rex & Jan Shaw)
    20. 03:45 PM - Baggage area access (Rex & Jan Shaw)
    21. 04:14 PM - Re: Baggage area access (Cudnohufsky's)
    22. 06:09 PM - 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape ()
    23. 06:21 PM - Re: Baggage area access (Steve Cooper)
    24. 06:21 PM - Re: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape (Steve Cooper)
    25. 06:54 PM - Re: For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine (Marwynne)
    26. 07:07 PM - Re: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape (Brett Walmsley)
    27. 07:37 PM - Re: Flooding (Kirk Martenson)
    28. 07:41 PM - >Re:trailer from camper (GONER752@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:09:36 AM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: Trailer from camper
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Steve, how about putting some photos on Sportflight. I'm sure a lot of us would like to take a look and also some future member might be looking for ideas. Deke I've got a trailer for my Avid Mark IV. I keep the bird hangared, but the trailer has come in handy once or twice. Do you weld Ben? You can build a spiffy trailer for about $600. Mine is 3" U-channel and 3" box for the tongue extension. The hitch, axle, wheels and tires came from a local trailer place. With a chop saw you can cut all your material to length in one day...weld it all up the next. You want the main gear legs to sit just aft of the trailer axle. I added a piece that allows the plane to be towed in a level position. I think it rides better that way. If you want to build your own trailer let me know and I'll sent you a pic or two. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> I need a trailer for my Model V. I haven't had any luck finding a boat trailer yet. Has anyone converted an old pop-up camper to a Kitfox trailer? (Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't get the archives to find anything for me). Thanks! Ben Do Not Archive


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    Time: 04:37:48 AM PST US
    From: kitfox@simnet.is
    Subject: Re: Iceland
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is Hi Dee You are welcome to the pictures. The photo album I like best is from the "Around Iceland 2004" tour( http://that.is/slettan/gallery/ ) I did with my fellow UL pilots last summer. We all said that it was the must fun possible, in a plain that is. We have already started to plan the 2005 tour, if everything goes as planed it will be in the week 2-8th july. And we are determened to have eaven more fun then last time. Some Info on Kitfox In Iceland. There are as far as I know seven KF's here in Iceland 1. Kitfox I serial nr. #155. Rotax 532. First flown in 1988. Has been standing in hanger for many years and is not airworthy. 2. Kitfox I Serial nr. #197. Rotax 532(is in the process of getting a new 582). First flown in 1989. I probably the most used Kitfox over here, has been flown on regular basis sinch day one. 3. Kitfox II (KF I fuselag with KF II wing)Serial nr. #220. Rotax 532. First flown in 1990. This is my plain, I bought it a year and a half ago with only 42 hrs. on it. Sinch then I have logged over 100 trouble free hrs. on it, and the more I fly it the more I love it. 4. Kitfox III Serial nr. #1115 Rotax 582. First flown in 1995 and flown alot until it chrased in july 2000. 5. Kitfox III Serial nr. #1198, Rotax 912. First flown in okt. 1995. 6. Kitfox III Has been under construction for over ten years, will, if all goes well, fly this spring. With Rotax 582. 7. Kitfox III Is under construcion, will not fly this year, maby in 2006. Regards from Iceland, Thor


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    Time: 05:05:04 AM PST US
    From: kitfox@simnet.is
    Subject: Re: Trailer from camper
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is Hi Steve I saw this picture on a UK Kitfox page, thought would maby like to see it http://www.kitfox.flyer.co.uk/Photo%27s/kitfox%20on%20tailer.jpg Regards, Thor


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    Time: 06:17:18 AM PST US
    From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Rear Spar Carry Through
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net> Sorry, should've been clearer. The carry-thrus are in tension and compression. --- Original Message --- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> > >Are we talking about the wing spars at the top of the cabin area? > >Randy > >. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flier >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox- list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net> > >The rear spar is in tension in flight. The geometry >of the lift strut is such that the front spar is in >compression. > > >--- Original Message --- >From: AlbertaIV@aol.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com >> >> >>In a message dated 3/23/2005 3:29:50 PM Eastern >Standard Time, >>rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes: >> >>Lloyd. >>Remember that this spar is in compression when >flying. (At least when >>flying right side up!) I would not think that this >is a problem. Now the >>strut carry through..... >> >>Randy >> >> >>A long long time ago and I think it was SS (might be >wrong) stated that >>theoretically, you could remove the front pin in >flight and the wing would not >>fold back. That would mean that the rear spar is >not in tension during flight. >> However, I don't think anyone has ever pulled the >fwd pin to test this. >> >>Don Smythe >>Classic IV w/ 582 >> >> >>_- >===================================================== = >====== >browse >Subscriptions page, >FAQ, >List >>_- >===================================================== = >====== >> >> > > >_- ====================================================== ====== browse Subscriptions page, FAQ, List >_- ====================================================== ====== > >


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    Time: 06:59:59 AM PST US
    From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Florida to Michigan
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is a whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a no-brainer. If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the second time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to happen all the time. SteveZ Calgary


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    Time: 07:17:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Trailer from camper
    From: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org> I have one of the "Skystar" trailers that I would be happy to photograph and measure if you want.


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    Time: 07:28:40 AM PST US
    From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
    Subject: Attitude indicators
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> Steve, Any recommendations on what to buy? I just purchased a Model V and need to put something in it so I can fly at night. Thanks! Ben Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Zakreski To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: 03/24/2005 9:57 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is a whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a no-brainer. If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the second time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to happen all the time. SteveZ Calgary


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    Time: 07:35:37 AM PST US
    From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
    Subject: Re: Trailer from camper
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> Hi Brett, I would like to see the Skystar trailer. Thanks for the offer. I do have the Grove gear. Ben Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Walmsley To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: 03/24/2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org> I have one of the "Skystar" trailers that I would be happy to photograph and measure if you want.


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    Time: 07:46:38 AM PST US
    From: Kaufjm@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Flooding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com Kirk; No, I don't ever remember my engine getting hot. Jon


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    Time: 08:13:18 AM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: Florida to Michigan
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Steve, I did have an attitude indicator and it's definitely not a money thing. However, not being instrument qualified, and probably not very capable, that was my last and final resort. Too many stories about dead people who got into the wx with a panel full of goodies, but were still the victims of vertigo. The first time that I had a problem, that you are referring to, was being stuck under the clouds and scud running. Would have been nice to drive up through them to get on top, but same story as above. Deke > Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your > aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going > over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is a > whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh > much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a no-brainer. > If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability > to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of > going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself > down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the second > time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a > predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are > going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to > happen all the time. > > SteveZ > Calgary > >


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    Time: 08:19:59 AM PST US
    From: "Maurice Fraser" <mfraser@gokenora.com>
    Subject: Vertical Stabilizer
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Maurice Fraser" <mfraser@gokenora.com> Hi All Just wondering if anyone has ever came across a web site or somewhere to find dorsal fins or fins you can add to each side of the horizontal stabilizer to add more vertical stabilizer to an airplane to reduce yaw tendencies. I am asking for a friend that has a cub PA-22 and wants to look at improving the airplane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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    Time: 09:10:07 AM PST US
    From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Flooding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net the Bing maintenance manual has a diagram and description of the proper adjustment of the float arm in relation to the under surface of the carb. the bottom of the arms are to be 10.5 mm from inner ring of the bowl seat and parallel to the seat. DON'T bend the arms but adjust the adjusting pointer which is in contact with the valve/spring, etc. Pg 9 of the manual. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" > > > Hi Kirk > > I had the same thing happen on my 912. I tried everything and finally wound > up bending the flap on the float lever that closes the valve. (New fuel > valves did not work either. Neither did sending them to a carb shop and > having them cleaned.) I only needed to move the tab a slight amount and the > cure was instant and long lasting. I believe that once the floats have > topped out they could not shut the valve. The float level seemed correct > after the repair. > > Jim Shumaker > > > > I have a Kitfox classic IV with a 912UL attached to it. I have been > > having a flooding problem in that the engine is hard to start because > > there is too much gas getting into the float bowl. When I take the bowl > > off, the gas comes gushing out as soon as the seal between the bowl and > > the carb body is broken. When the needle valve is opened, it sounds like > > there is air pressure pushing the gas into the bowl. I checked the level > > of the floats, they seem to be OK. I also purchased new floats from BING. > > Very expensive at $ 36.00 each. The new floats did not fix the problem. > > > > > > > > the Bing maintenance manual has a diagram and description of the proper adjustment of the float arm in relation to the under surface of the carb. the bottom of the arms are to be 10.5 mm from inner ring of the bowl seat and parallel to the seat. DON'T bend the arms but adjust the adjusting pointer which is in contact with the valve/spring, etc. Pg 9 of the manual. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <JIMSHUMAKER@SBCGLOBAL.NET> Hi Kirk I had the same thing happen on my 912. I tried everything and finally wound up bending the flap on the float lever that closes the valve. (New fuel valves did not work either. Neither did sending them to a carb shop and having them cleaned.) I only needed to move the tab a slight amount and the cure was instant and long lasting. I believe that once the floats have topped out they could not shut the valve. The float level seemed correct after the repair. Jim Shumaker I have a Kitfox classic IV with a 912UL attached to it. I have been having a flooding problem in that the engine is hard to s tart because there is too much gas getting into the float bowl. When I take the bowl off, the gas comes gushing out as soon as the seal between the bowl and the carb body is broken. When the needle valve is opened, it sounds like there is air pressure pushing the gas into the bowl. I checked the level of the floats, they seem to be OK. I also purchased new floats from BING. Very expensive at $ 36.00 each. The new floats did not fix the problem. avigator?Kitfox-List


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    Time: 10:10:18 AM PST US
    From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Florida to Michigan
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> Deke If I recall correctly from a few years ago, I happened to coincidentally leave the same airport as you at roughly the same time (even though that airport is 1000 miles away from home) Was it Traverse City?. I also got into trouble with low ceilings, so I found a quiet out of the way place and poked up through the clouds in about 5 minutes. Beautiful blue skies over the clouds for the next 4 hours. It is not something we are supposed to do, or that I plan for, but when I get into a bad situation, it sure is nice to be comfortable about doing it. It doesn't take more than a few hours training to get comfortable with it if you are rusty. I suppose I'm lucky because we have lots of uncontrolled airspace in Alberta with very little traffic. Great write-up by the way...you should write novels. ;-) SteveZ Calgary -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Steve, I did have an attitude indicator and it's definitely not a money thing. However, not being instrument qualified, and probably not very capable, that was my last and final resort. Too many stories about dead people who got into the wx with a panel full of goodies, but were still the victims of vertigo. The first time that I had a problem, that you are referring to, was being stuck under the clouds and scud running. Would have been nice to drive up through them to get on top, but same story as above. Deke > Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your > aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going > over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is a > whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh > much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a no-brainer. > If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability > to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of > going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself > down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the second > time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a > predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are > going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to > happen all the time. > > SteveZ > Calgary > >


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    Time: 10:26:02 AM PST US
    From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Attitude indicators
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> Ben I have a vacuum pump and vacuum gyros in my aircraft since most of these products were just coming out when I was finishing my Kitfox. But if I was doing it again, I would probably use the Control Vision AI with the Ipaq. http://www.anywheremap.com/detail.aspx?ID=111 http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/index.html http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page23.htm If you want to drool, take a look at the picture on this site!! Wow. http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm SteveZ Calgary -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis Subject: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> Steve, Any recommendations on what to buy? I just purchased a Model V and need to put something in it so I can fly at night. Thanks! Ben Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Zakreski To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: 03/24/2005 9:57 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is a whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a no-brainer. If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the second time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to happen all the time. SteveZ Calgary


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    Time: 10:49:49 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Vertical Stabilizer
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> I have a dorsal fin for my model 3 that I don't use, Maurice. It is meant to be used when on floats. I can't have it on when configured as a taildragger. Cheers, Michel Maurice Fraser wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Maurice Fraser" <mfraser@gokenora.com> > > Hi All > > Just wondering if anyone has ever came across a web site or somewhere to > find dorsal fins or fins you can add to each side of the horizontal > stabilizer to add more vertical stabilizer to an airplane to reduce yaw > tendencies. I am asking for a friend that has a cub PA-22 and wants to look > at improving the airplane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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    Time: 12:32:24 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: Florida to Michigan
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Steve, it was Pelston. I see your point though and I remember us discussing it, however I don't have the proficiency that I feel I need to be on instruments (in actual IMC) where I'd feel comfortable doing that. The fact that it's illegal wasn't what stopped me, because once I'm in an emergency situation all the rules are out the window and from then on it's simple survival. It was just my last option and I wasn't very far from using it. I do need to get some hood time with somebody though so that I have the currency to get myself out of a similar jam if need be. Then again, probably the best thing to do is to use better judgement and not get myself into that sort of predicament in the first place. Thanks for the feedback. Deke ps: you take a Twinstar for a ride yet? > > If I recall correctly from a few years ago, I happened to coincidentally > leave the same airport as you at roughly the same time (even though that > airport is 1000 miles away from home) Was it Traverse City?. I also got > into trouble with low ceilings, so I found a quiet out of the way place and > poked up through the clouds in about 5 minutes. Beautiful blue skies over > the clouds for the next 4 hours. It is not something we are supposed to do, > or that I plan for, but when I get into a bad situation, it sure is nice to > be comfortable about doing it. It doesn't take more than a few hours > training to get comfortable with it if you are rusty. I suppose I'm lucky > because we have lots of uncontrolled airspace in Alberta with very little > traffic. Great write-up by the way...you should write novels. ;-) > > SteveZ > Calgary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> > > Steve, I did have an attitude indicator and it's definitely not a money > thing. However, not being instrument qualified, and probably not very > capable, that was my last and final resort. Too many stories about dead > people who got into the wx with a panel full of goodies, but were still the > victims of vertigo. > The first time that I had a problem, that you are referring to, was being > stuck under the clouds and scud running. Would have been nice to drive up > through them to get on top, but same story as above. > Deke > > > Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your > > aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going > > over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is > a > > whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh > > much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a > no-brainer. > > If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability > > to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of > > going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself > > down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the second > > time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a > > predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are > > going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to > > happen all the time. > > > > SteveZ > > Calgary > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:30:03 PM PST US
    From: "jareds@verizon.net" <jareds@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: 582 Crank Needed
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jareds@verizon.net" <jareds@verizon.net> Mark, Friend had a new engine with siezed piston so will be taking parts i need from it and rebuilding the second one as money and time permits. Hope to be joining you soon with that first crankup. Have no idea what you were doing with the first startup. did you have to pour all that in per rotax an break in or is this something you did as precaution? >From: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com> >Date: Wed Mar 23 12:49:15 CST 2005 >To: "'kitfox-list@matronics.com'" <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Crank Needed >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com> > >I just replaced the crank in my grey head 582. The engine had ~170 hours on >it since new and looked perfect inside. But most engine shops I talked to >recommended not running on it. > >You can tell which crank you have by looking into the intake ports. > >On the old crank the big end of the connecting rods are rough on the outside >and the same color as the rest of the rod - kind of a light grey-brown >color. > >On the new crank the big end of the connecting rods are physically larger >and are machined on the outside so that they will still fit into the case. >They are brightly polished around the big end and then transition to that >dull-grey color. > >The crank alone cost over $900 after some trade in credit. Probably they >scrap the old one and offer the credit just to get it off the market. > > >Just fired that engine up last weekend. I wanted to be sure it had enough >oil and so had pre-oiled and lubed according to the manual, bled all the air >out of the injection pump, wired the pump lever to full on, poured some oil >into the intakes and cylinders, and premixed synthetic in the gas. Needless >to say it made smoke! > >Had to stop because the EGT was very low on the rear cylinder and the rear >carb was dumping gas all over that hot muffler. I have cleaned and replaced >the seals in both carbs but maybe the adjustment of the floats is wrong or I >picked up some trash under the new needle valve; hope to find out this week. > >Good Luck with your engine, > >Mark Napier > > > - - - - - - - Appended by Scientific-Atlanta, Inc. - - - - - - - >This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The information is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person responsible for delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from your computer. > >


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    Time: 02:01:00 PM PST US
    From: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
    Subject: For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com> Unfortunately I must sell my Kitfox. Just bought a Cessna 175 four-seater, so I have to sell my fun plane. It's a Model 2 with the bowed doors, undercambered wing, and tundra tires. It has a Geo Metro car engine made by Suzuki, and a Raven redrive from Raven-Rotors of Boulder, CO. Flies very well, and is surprisingly quiet at idle. Cruises around 65, climbs 500 fpm, floats like a Kitfox on landing. The previous owner was John Dano. It has a Yaesu (Vertex) VXA-120 handheld radio mounted on the panel (powered from the plane's electrical system) with PTT on the stick and a real antenna on top behind the cabin. Also has a Mode C transponder with blind encoder. The engine is a 4-stroke, 3-cyl engine made by Suzuki. It has the throttle-body fuel injection, burns 2.6 gal/hr of autogas, puts out about 60HP. It's been very reliable once I got it dialled in. Drives a Raven redrive (2.26 to 1) and a three-blade 63" ground-adjustable IVOprop. It has an electric starter and Raven's exhaust-tip muffler. Starts instantly, runs well, never misses a beat. The plane has two 13-gal wing tanks. Factory-welded fuselage, powder coated, and Stits Polyfiber fabric, in excellent shape. It's always been hangared or stored indoors. $16,000 in San Diego, including the tow bar for hitching to your car. Call me at 858-455-3672, or email at LilAbner_45 at yahoo dot com . __________________________________


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    Time: 03:38:32 PM PST US
    From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Tyres
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> Well, My old shaved Knobby tires are in need of a change!! I will be on asfault most of the time!! To those of you who have changed over from the originals, what type of tread did you go to?? I plan on using "Golf cart Tires" probably from CARLISLE! One tire available is a 18.5x8.5 x8 with a squareish profile and straight ribs!! Others, have a rounder profile( crown) but different tread!! Sure need some help here!!! Any suggestions !! Hi ! Gil, I couldn't get rid off those old buffed down 2 ply ATV tyres quick enough. You only needed to look at a prickle half a mile away and you had a problem. I put greenslime sealant in the tyres but it was atttacking the rims. That stuff is only good for inside a tube. Anyway I have now got lawnmower tyres on my plane. They are a little rounded with a fine block tread pattern. They are 4 ply made in USA and 18 x 6.50 x 8. This makes them a little lower and very slightly narrower giving clearance in the wheel pants. We initially tried them without tubes but was getting some leakage where the lugs for the brake discs had been welded on the back of the rim so we fitted tubes and run 14 PSI. I love these tyres on all surfaces. Hope this helps. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com


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    Time: 03:45:45 PM PST US
    From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Baggage area access
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> Has anyone come up with a mod that enables one to enter the baggage area from outside the plane by altering or hinging the turtle deck? Hi ! Harry, I'm in Australia and we see a lot of Skyfox's here. These have baggage access on top of the fuselage from outside. I have never looked in so I can't say how it works but it might be worth finding out. Seems too far back for access to the normal baggage area behind the seat unless it slants forward or something. If it doesn't C of G might be a worry but there is a lot of them around. I suggest you try finding out about it as it is some proven system. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com


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    Time: 04:14:31 PM PST US
    From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: Baggage area access
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> I have seen the turtle deck cut and hinged in the center of the flaperon slots, I believe the model 5 builders manual outlines the mod. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Baggage area access > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> > > Has anyone come up with a mod that enables one to enter the baggage area > from outside the plane by altering or hinging the turtle deck? > > Hi ! Harry, > I'm in Australia and we see a lot of Skyfox's here. These > have baggage access on top of the fuselage from outside. I have never > looked > in so I can't say how it works but it might be worth finding out. Seems > too > far back for access to the normal baggage area behind the seat unless it > slants forward or something. If it doesn't C of G might be a worry but > there > is a lot of them around. I suggest you try finding out about it as it is > some proven system. > > Rex. > rexjan@bigpond.com > > >


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    Time: 06:09:52 PM PST US
    From: <brettandsandy@numail.org>
    Subject: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org> Does anyone have a little left over they would sell to me? The smallest roll that ACS has is 25 yards for $40. Thanks


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    Time: 06:21:18 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Baggage area access
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> Take a look at the Avid Mark IV. Mine has a baggage door on the side of the aircraft. The compartment has a light steel frame welded in place which forms the entryway for the compartment. I have a light aluminum door with a single camlock holding it closed. I attached a pic...don't know if this mail allows it or not... > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> > > Has anyone come up with a mod that enables one to enter the baggage area > from outside the plane by altering or hinging the turtle deck? > > Hi ! Harry, > I'm in Australia and we see a lot of Skyfox's here. These > have baggage access on top of the fuselage from outside. I have never > looked > in so I can't say how it works but it might be worth finding out. Seems > too > far back for access to the normal baggage area behind the seat unless it > slants forward or something. If it doesn't C of G might be a worry but > there > is a lot of them around. I suggest you try finding out about it as it is > some proven system. > > Rex. > rexjan@bigpond.com > >


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    Time: 06:21:43 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
    Subject: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> How much do you need? Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brettandsandy@numail.org Subject: Kitfox-List: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org> Does anyone have a little left over they would sell to me? The smallest roll that ACS has is 25 yards for $40. Thanks


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    Time: 06:54:22 PM PST US
    From: "Marwynne" <marwynne@verizon.net>
    Subject: For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne" <marwynne@verizon.net> Just curious about your Cessna 175. Do you have the GO-300 Engine? I also own a C175.... Mine flys great.... Good luck with your new toy... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Maher Subject: Kitfox-List: For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com> Unfortunately I must sell my Kitfox. Just bought a Cessna 175 four-seater, so I have to sell my fun plane. It's a Model 2 with the bowed doors, undercambered wing, and tundra tires. It has a Geo Metro car engine made by Suzuki, and a Raven redrive from Raven-Rotors of Boulder, CO. Flies very well, and is surprisingly quiet at idle. Cruises around 65, climbs 500 fpm, floats like a Kitfox on landing. The previous owner was John Dano. It has a Yaesu (Vertex) VXA-120 handheld radio mounted on the panel (powered from the plane's electrical system) with PTT on the stick and a real antenna on top behind the cabin. Also has a Mode C transponder with blind encoder. The engine is a 4-stroke, 3-cyl engine made by Suzuki. It has the throttle-body fuel injection, burns 2.6 gal/hr of autogas, puts out about 60HP. It's been very reliable once I got it dialled in. Drives a Raven redrive (2.26 to 1) and a three-blade 63" ground-adjustable IVOprop. It has an electric starter and Raven's exhaust-tip muffler. Starts instantly, runs well, never misses a beat. The plane has two 13-gal wing tanks. Factory-welded fuselage, powder coated, and Stits Polyfiber fabric, in excellent shape. It's always been hangared or stored indoors. $16,000 in San Diego, including the tow bar for hitching to your car. Call me at 858-455-3672, or email at LilAbner_45 at yahoo dot com . __________________________________


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    Time: 07:07:06 PM PST US
    Subject: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape
    From: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org> I suppse 10-12 feet total. Brett (different ID, had to swotch computers to reply) > > How much do you need? > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > brettandsandy@numail.org > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org> > > Does anyone have a little left over they would sell to me? The smallest > roll > that ACS has is 25 yards for $40. > Thanks > >


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    Time: 07:37:49 PM PST US
    From: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
    Subject: Re: Flooding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net> Thanks Jim: I did try that, but maybe I didn't bend the tab enough. I'll try again. Thanks, Kirk Martenson Classic IV ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" > <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> > >> Hi Kirk > > I had the same thing happen on my 912. I tried everything and finally > wound > up bending the flap on the float lever that closes the valve. (New fuel > valves did not work either. Neither did sending them to a carb shop and > having them cleaned.) I only needed to move the tab a slight amount and > the > cure was instant and long lasting. I believe that once the floats have > topped out they could not shut the valve. The float level seemed correct > after the repair. > > Jim Shumaker > > >> I have a Kitfox classic IV with a 912UL attached to it. I have been >> having a flooding problem in that the engine is hard to start because >> there is too much gas getting into the float bowl. When I take the bowl >> off, the gas comes gushing out as soon as the seal between the bowl and >> the carb body is broken. When the needle valve is opened, it sounds like >> there is air pressure pushing the gas into the bowl. I checked the level >> of the floats, they seem to be OK. I also purchased new floats from >> BING. >> Very expensive at $ 36.00 each. The new floats did not fix the problem. >> > > >


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    Time: 07:41:12 PM PST US
    From: GONER752@aol.com
    Subject: Re: >Re:trailer from camper
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com Ben, Finally, I have an answer(possibly : ) ) instead of a question. I'm new to my Kitfox so I'm an avid reader of the list. Anyway, I too needed a trailer and like you figured a boat trailer would fill the bill. After some thought though I decided a boat trailer would need too much modification and still wouldn't afford much protection from below. I also considered smaller trailers such as landscape and utility, but found they weren't readily available in longer lengths. With the overall folded length of my mod. 2 at about 22 ft. I wanted the whole bird on the trailer, keeping the wingtips about 4 ft. from the back of my tow vehicle for clearance in tight turns. Here's what I found, I heard about a couple of old boys whose side line was trailer frames. Seems they would canvass area campgrounds for derelict, abandoned campers, apparently the campground operators were happy to have them drag them out of there. They would then completely strip them to the frames, recycling everything they could for scrap. I bought an 18 ft.(plus 4 ft. for the tongue) tandem axle for $150. I decked it with 2x8x18 pressure treated boards, added a set of pre-made fenders from the local trailer supply store, and a light kit. Done. Well, almost, I did have to move the axles back because the tongue was way too light with the plane on it with most of the weight in the nose of the plane which faces backwards. But that was simply a matter of buying the pre-made spring hangers and welding them an equal distance from the existing rear hangers. Everything bolted right back up. The tandem axles, along with under inflated radials, gives the plane a very gentle ride. It's also relatively low to the ground for easy ramping. Sturdy enough for other jobs too, atv's, etc. Anyway, I hope this is useful to you for another idea. Now, if I could just figure out what brand of radio belongs in the tray that's in my panel.......... : ) Safe Flying, Greg G. n375kl KF II 582




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