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     1. 03:09 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (Fox5flyer)
     2. 04:37 AM - Re: Iceland (kitfox@simnet.is)
     3. 05:05 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (kitfox@simnet.is)
     4. 06:17 AM - Re: Rear Spar Carry Through (flier)
     5. 06:59 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Steve Zakreski)
     6. 07:17 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (Brett Walmsley)
     7. 07:28 AM - Attitude indicators (Ben Baltrusaitis)
     8. 07:35 AM - Re: Trailer from camper (Ben Baltrusaitis)
     9. 07:46 AM - Re: Flooding (Kaufjm@aol.com)
    10. 08:13 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Fox5flyer)
    11. 08:19 AM - Vertical Stabilizer (Maurice Fraser)
    12. 09:10 AM - Re: Flooding (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
    13. 10:10 AM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Steve Zakreski)
    14. 10:26 AM - Re: Attitude indicators (Steve Zakreski)
    15. 10:49 AM - Re: Vertical Stabilizer (Michel Verheughe)
    16. 12:32 PM - Re: Florida to Michigan (Fox5flyer)
    17. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: 582 Crank Needed (jareds@verizon.net)
    18. 02:01 PM - For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine (Steve Maher)
    19. 03:38 PM - Tyres (Rex & Jan Shaw)
    20. 03:45 PM - Baggage area access (Rex & Jan Shaw)
    21. 04:14 PM - Re: Baggage area access (Cudnohufsky's)
    22. 06:09 PM - 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape ()
    23. 06:21 PM - Re: Baggage area access (Steve Cooper)
    24. 06:21 PM - Re: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape (Steve Cooper)
    25. 06:54 PM - Re: For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine (Marwynne)
    26. 07:07 PM - Re: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape (Brett Walmsley)
    27. 07:37 PM - Re: Flooding (Kirk Martenson)
    28. 07:41 PM - >Re:trailer from camper (GONER752@aol.com)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Trailer from camper | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Steve, how about putting some photos on Sportflight.  I'm sure a lot of us would
      like to take a look and also some future member might be looking for ideas.
      Deke
      
      I've got a trailer for my Avid Mark IV. I keep the bird hangared, but the
      trailer has come in handy once or twice. Do you weld Ben? You can build a
      spiffy trailer for about $600. Mine is 3" U-channel and 3" box for the
      tongue extension. The hitch, axle, wheels and tires came from a local
      trailer place. With a chop saw you can cut all your material to length in
      one day...weld it all up the next. You want the main gear legs to sit just
      aft of the trailer axle. I added a piece that allows the plane to be towed
      in a level position. I think it rides better that way. If you want to build
      your own trailer let me know         and I'll sent you a pic or two.
      
      Steve
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
      Baltrusaitis
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      I need a trailer for my Model V. I haven't had any luck finding a boat
      trailer yet. Has anyone converted an old pop-up camper to a Kitfox trailer?
      (Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't get the archives to
      find anything for me).
      Thanks!
      Ben
      
      Do Not Archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is
      
      Hi Dee 
      
      You are welcome to the pictures. The photo album I like best is from the "Around Iceland 2004" tour( http://that.is/slettan/gallery/ ) I did with my fellow UL pilots last summer.  We all said that it was the must fun possible, in a plain that is. We have already started to plan the 2005 tour, if everything goes as planed it will be in the week 2-8th july. And we are determened to have eaven more fun then last time.
      
      Some Info on Kitfox In Iceland.
      There are as far as I know seven KF's here in Iceland
      1. Kitfox I serial nr. #155. Rotax 532.  First flown in 1988. Has been standing
      in hanger for many years and is not airworthy.  
      2. Kitfox I Serial nr. #197. Rotax 532(is in the process of getting a new 582).
      First flown in 1989. I probably the most used Kitfox over here, has been flown
      on regular basis sinch day one.
      3. Kitfox II (KF I fuselag with KF II wing)Serial nr. #220. Rotax 532.  First flown
      in 1990. This is my plain, I bought it a year and a half ago with only 42
      hrs. on it.  Sinch then I have logged over 100 trouble free hrs. on it, and the
      more I fly it the more I love it.
      4. Kitfox III Serial nr. #1115 Rotax 582. First flown in 1995 and flown alot until
      it chrased in july 2000.
      5. Kitfox III Serial nr. #1198, Rotax 912. First flown in okt. 1995.
      6. Kitfox III Has been under construction for over ten years, will, if all goes
      well, fly this spring.  With Rotax 582.
      7. Kitfox III Is under construcion, will not fly this year, maby in 2006.
      
      Regards from Iceland,  Thor
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Trailer from camper | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is
      
      Hi Steve
      
      I saw this picture on a UK Kitfox page, thought would maby like to see it
      http://www.kitfox.flyer.co.uk/Photo%27s/kitfox%20on%20tailer.jpg
      
      Regards,  Thor
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rear Spar Carry Through | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
      
      Sorry, should've been clearer.  The carry-thrus are 
      in tension and compression.  
      
      
      --- Original Message ---
      From: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through
      
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  
      Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      >
      >Are we talking about the wing spars at the top of 
      the cabin area?
      >
      >Randy
      >
      >.           
      >
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On 
      Behalf Of flier
      >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox-
      list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through
      >
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" 
      <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
      >
      >The rear spar is in tension in flight.  The geometry 
      >of the lift strut is such that the front spar is in 
      >compression.
      >
      >
      >--- Original Message ---
      >From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear Spar Carry Through
      >
      >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      >>
      >>
      >>In a message dated 3/23/2005 3:29:50 PM Eastern 
      >Standard Time,  
      >>rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes:
      >>
      >>Lloyd.
      >>Remember that this spar is in compression when  
      >flying.   (At least when
      >>flying right side up!)  I would not  think that 
      this 
      >is a problem.  Now the
      >>strut carry  through.....
      >>
      >>Randy
      >>
      >>
      >>A long long time ago and I think it was SS (might 
      be 
      >wrong) stated  that 
      >>theoretically, you could remove the front pin in 
      >flight and the wing would  not 
      >>fold back.  That would mean that the rear spar is 
      >not in tension during  flight. 
      >> However, I don't think anyone has ever pulled the 
      >fwd pin to test  this.
      >>
      >>Don  Smythe
      >>Classic IV w/ 582
      >>
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| Subject:  | Florida to Michigan | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
      
      Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your
      aircraft?  Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
      over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is a
      whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh
      much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a no-brainer.
      If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability
      to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
      going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
      down someplace, through clouds if you have to.  Darrel, this is the second
      time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
      predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
      going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
      happen all the time.
      
      SteveZ
      Calgary
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Trailer from camper | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org>
      
      I have one of the "Skystar" trailers that I would be happy to photograph
      and measure if you want.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Attitude indicators | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      Steve,
      Any recommendations on what to buy? I just purchased a Model V and need to put
      something in it so I can fly at night.
      Thanks!
      Ben
      
      Do Not Archive
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Steve Zakreski
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: 03/24/2005 9:57 AM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
      
        Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your
        aircraft?  Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
        over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is a
        whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh
        much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a no-brainer.
        If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability
        to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
        going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
        down someplace, through clouds if you have to.  Darrel, this is the second
        time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
        predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
        going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
        happen all the time.
      
        SteveZ
        Calgary
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Trailer from camper | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      Hi Brett,
      I would like to see the Skystar trailer. Thanks for the offer. I do have the Grove
      gear.
      Ben
      
      Do Not Archive
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Brett Walmsley
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: 03/24/2005 10:16 AM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailer from camper
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org>
      
        I have one of the "Skystar" trailers that I would be happy to photograph
        and measure if you want.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com
      
      Kirk;
        No, I don't ever remember my engine getting hot. 
       Jon
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Florida to Michigan | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Steve, I did have an attitude indicator and it's definitely not a money
      thing.  However, not being instrument qualified, and probably not very
      capable, that was my last and final resort.  Too many stories about dead
      people who got into the wx with a panel full of goodies, but were still the
      victims of vertigo.
      The first time that I had a problem, that you are referring to, was being
      stuck under the clouds and scud running.  Would have been nice to drive up
      through them to get on top, but same story as above.
      Deke
      
      > Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your
      > aircraft?  Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
      > over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is
      a
      > whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh
      > much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a
      no-brainer.
      > If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability
      > to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
      > going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
      > down someplace, through clouds if you have to.  Darrel, this is the second
      > time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
      > predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
      > going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
      > happen all the time.
      >
      > SteveZ
      > Calgary
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Vertical Stabilizer | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Maurice Fraser" <mfraser@gokenora.com>
      
      Hi All
      
      Just wondering if anyone has ever came across a web site or somewhere to
      find dorsal fins or fins you can add to each side of the horizontal
      stabilizer to add more vertical stabilizer to an airplane to reduce yaw
      tendencies. I am asking for a friend that has a cub PA-22 and wants to look
      at improving the airplane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
      
      the Bing maintenance manual has a diagram and description of the proper adjustment
      of the float arm in relation to the under surface of the carb. the bottom
      of the arms are to be 10.5 mm from inner ring of the bowl seat and parallel to
      the seat.  DON'T bend the arms but adjust the adjusting pointer which is in contact
      with the valve/spring, etc. Pg 9 of the manual.
      
      John Kerr
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" 
      > 
      > > Hi Kirk 
      > 
      > I had the same thing happen on my 912. I tried everything and finally wound 
      > up bending the flap on the float lever that closes the valve. (New fuel 
      > valves did not work either. Neither did sending them to a carb shop and 
      > having them cleaned.) I only needed to move the tab a slight amount and the 
      > cure was instant and long lasting. I believe that once the floats have 
      > topped out they could not shut the valve. The float level seemed correct 
      > after the repair. 
      > 
      > Jim Shumaker 
      > 
      > 
      > > I have a Kitfox classic IV with a 912UL attached to it. I have been 
      > > having a flooding problem in that the engine is hard to start because 
      > > there is too much gas getting into the float bowl. When I take the bowl 
      > > off, the gas comes gushing out as soon as the seal between the bowl and 
      > > the carb body is broken. When the needle valve is opened, it sounds like 
      > > there is air pressure pushing the gas into the bowl. I checked the level 
      > > of the floats, they seem to be OK. I also purchased new floats from BING. 
      > > Very expensive at $ 36.00 each. The new floats did not fix the problem. 
      > > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      the Bing maintenance manual has a diagram and description of the proper adjustment
      of the float arm in relation to the under surface of the carb. the bottom
      of the arms are to be 10.5 mm from inner ring of the bowl seat and parallel to
      the seat. DON'T bend the arms but adjust the adjusting pointer which is in contact
      with the valve/spring, etc. Pg 9 of the manual.
      
      John Kerr
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <JIMSHUMAKER@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
      
        Hi Kirk 
      
       I had the same thing happen on my 912. I tried everything and finally wound 
       up bending the flap on the float lever that closes the valve. (New fuel 
       valves did not work either. Neither did sending them to a carb shop and 
       having them cleaned.) I only needed to move the tab a slight amount and the 
       cure was instant and long lasting. I believe that once the floats have 
       topped out they could not shut the valve. The float level seemed correct 
       after the repair. 
      
       Jim Shumaker 
      
      
        I have a Kitfox classic IV with a 912UL attached to it. I have been 
        having a flooding problem in that the engine is hard to s
       tart because 
        there is too much gas getting into the float bowl. When I take the bowl 
        off, the gas comes gushing out as soon as the seal between the bowl and 
        the carb body is broken. When the needle valve is opened, it sounds like 
        there is air pressure pushing the gas into the bowl. I checked the level 
        of the floats, they seem to be OK. I also purchased new floats from BING. 
        Very expensive at $ 36.00 each. The new floats did not fix the problem. 
      
      
       avigator?Kitfox-List 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Florida to Michigan | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
      
      Deke
      
      If I recall correctly from a few years ago, I happened to coincidentally
      leave the same airport as you at roughly the same time (even though that
      airport is 1000 miles away from home) Was it Traverse City?.  I also got
      into trouble with low ceilings, so I found a quiet out of the way place and
      poked up through the clouds in about 5 minutes.  Beautiful blue skies over
      the clouds for the next 4 hours.  It is not something we are supposed to do,
      or that I plan for, but when I get into a bad situation, it sure is nice to
      be comfortable about doing it. It doesn't take more than a few hours
      training to get comfortable with it if you are rusty. I suppose I'm lucky
      because we have lots of uncontrolled airspace in Alberta with very little
      traffic.  Great write-up by the way...you should write novels.   ;-)
      
      SteveZ
      Calgary
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Steve, I did have an attitude indicator and it's definitely not a money
      thing.  However, not being instrument qualified, and probably not very
      capable, that was my last and final resort.  Too many stories about dead
      people who got into the wx with a panel full of goodies, but were still the
      victims of vertigo.
      The first time that I had a problem, that you are referring to, was being
      stuck under the clouds and scud running.  Would have been nice to drive up
      through them to get on top, but same story as above.
      Deke
      
      > Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your
      > aircraft?  Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
      > over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is
      a
      > whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh
      > much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a
      no-brainer.
      > If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability
      > to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
      > going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
      > down someplace, through clouds if you have to.  Darrel, this is the second
      > time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
      > predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
      > going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
      > happen all the time.
      >
      > SteveZ
      > Calgary
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Attitude indicators | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
      
      Ben
      
      I have a vacuum pump and vacuum gyros in my aircraft since most of these
      products were just coming out when I was finishing my Kitfox.  But if I was
      doing it again, I would probably use the Control Vision AI with the Ipaq.
      
      http://www.anywheremap.com/detail.aspx?ID=111
      
      http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/index.html
      
      http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page23.htm
      
      
      If you want to drool, take a look at the picture on this site!!  Wow.
      http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm
      
      
      SteveZ
      Calgary
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
      Baltrusaitis
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      Steve,
      Any recommendations on what to buy? I just purchased a Model V and need to
      put something in it so I can fly at night.
      Thanks!
      Ben
      
      Do Not Archive
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Steve Zakreski
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: 03/24/2005 9:57 AM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
      
        Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in your
        aircraft?  Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
        over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There is
      a
        whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't weigh
        much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a
      no-brainer.
        If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the ability
        to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
        going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
        down someplace, through clouds if you have to.  Darrel, this is the second
        time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
        predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
        going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
        happen all the time.
      
        SteveZ
        Calgary
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Vertical Stabilizer | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      I have a dorsal fin for my model 3 that I don't use, Maurice. It is meant to be
      used when on floats. I can't have it on when configured as a taildragger.
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      Maurice Fraser wrote:
      > 
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Maurice Fraser" <mfraser@gokenora.com>
      > 
      > Hi All
      > 
      > Just wondering if anyone has ever came across a web site or somewhere to
      > find dorsal fins or fins you can add to each side of the horizontal
      > stabilizer to add more vertical stabilizer to an airplane to reduce yaw
      > tendencies. I am asking for a friend that has a cub PA-22 and wants to look
      > at improving the airplane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Florida to Michigan | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Steve, it was Pelston.  I see your point though and I remember us discussing
      it, however I don't have the proficiency that I feel I need to be on
      instruments (in actual IMC) where I'd feel comfortable doing that.  The fact
      that it's illegal wasn't what stopped me, because once I'm in an emergency
      situation all the rules are out the window and from then on it's simple
      survival.  It was just my last option and I wasn't very far from using it.
      I do need to get some hood time with somebody though so that I have the
      currency to get myself out of a similar jam if need be.  Then again,
      probably the best thing to do is to use better judgement and not get myself
      into that sort of predicament in the first place.
      Thanks for the feedback.
      Deke
      ps:  you take a Twinstar for a ride yet?
      
      >
      > If I recall correctly from a few years ago, I happened to coincidentally
      > leave the same airport as you at roughly the same time (even though that
      > airport is 1000 miles away from home) Was it Traverse City?.  I also got
      > into trouble with low ceilings, so I found a quiet out of the way place
      and
      > poked up through the clouds in about 5 minutes.  Beautiful blue skies over
      > the clouds for the next 4 hours.  It is not something we are supposed to
      do,
      > or that I plan for, but when I get into a bad situation, it sure is nice
      to
      > be comfortable about doing it. It doesn't take more than a few hours
      > training to get comfortable with it if you are rusty. I suppose I'm lucky
      > because we have lots of uncontrolled airspace in Alberta with very little
      > traffic.  Great write-up by the way...you should write novels.   ;-)
      >
      > SteveZ
      > Calgary
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      >
      > Steve, I did have an attitude indicator and it's definitely not a money
      > thing.  However, not being instrument qualified, and probably not very
      > capable, that was my last and final resort.  Too many stories about dead
      > people who got into the wx with a panel full of goodies, but were still
      the
      > victims of vertigo.
      > The first time that I had a problem, that you are referring to, was being
      > stuck under the clouds and scud running.  Would have been nice to drive up
      > through them to get on top, but same story as above.
      > Deke
      >
      > > Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in
      your
      > > aircraft?  Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
      > > over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There
      is
      > a
      > > whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't
      weigh
      > > much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a
      > no-brainer.
      > > If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the
      ability
      > > to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
      > > going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
      > > down someplace, through clouds if you have to.  Darrel, this is the
      second
      > > time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
      > > predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
      > > going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
      > > happen all the time.
      > >
      > > SteveZ
      > > Calgary
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 582 Crank Needed | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jareds@verizon.net" <jareds@verizon.net>
      
      Mark,
      Friend had a new engine with siezed piston so will be taking parts i need from
      it and rebuilding the second one as money and time permits.
      
      Hope to be joining you soon with that first crankup.
      Have no idea what you were doing with the first startup.  did you have to pour
      all that in per rotax an break in or is this something you did as precaution?
      
      
      >From: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com>
      >Date: Wed Mar 23 12:49:15 CST 2005
      >To: "'kitfox-list@matronics.com'" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Crank Needed
      
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com>
      >
      >I just replaced the crank in my grey head 582.  The engine had ~170 hours on
      >it since new and looked perfect inside.  But most engine shops I talked to
      >recommended not running on it.
      >
      >You can tell which crank you have by looking into the intake ports.
      >
      >On the old crank the big end of the connecting rods are rough on the outside
      >and the same color as the rest of the rod - kind of a light grey-brown
      >color.
      
      >
      >On the new crank the big end of the connecting rods are physically larger
      >and are machined on the outside so that they will still fit into the case.
      >They are brightly polished around the big end and then transition to that
      >dull-grey color.
      >
      >The crank alone cost over $900 after some trade in credit.  Probably they
      >scrap the old one and offer the credit just to get it off the market.
      >
      >
      >Just fired that engine up last weekend.  I wanted to be sure it had enough
      >oil and so had pre-oiled and lubed according to the manual, bled all the air
      >out of the injection pump, wired the pump lever to full on, poured some oil
      >into the intakes and cylinders, and premixed synthetic in the gas.  Needless
      >to say it made smoke!
      >
      >Had to stop because the EGT was very low on the rear cylinder and the rear
      >carb was dumping gas all over that hot muffler.  I have cleaned and replaced
      >the seals in both carbs but maybe the adjustment of the floats is wrong or I
      >picked up some trash under the new needle valve; hope to find out this week.
      >
      >Good Luck with your engine,
      >
      >Mark Napier
      >
      >
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| Subject:  | For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
      
      Unfortunately I must sell my Kitfox. Just bought a Cessna 175
      four-seater, so I have to sell my fun plane. It's a Model 2 with the
      bowed doors, undercambered wing, and tundra tires. It has a Geo Metro
      car engine made by Suzuki, and a Raven redrive from Raven-Rotors of
      Boulder, CO. Flies very well, and is surprisingly quiet at idle.
      Cruises around 65, climbs 500 fpm, floats like a Kitfox on landing. The
      previous owner was John Dano.
      
      It has a Yaesu (Vertex) VXA-120 handheld radio mounted on the panel
      (powered from the plane's electrical system) with PTT on the stick and
      a real antenna on top behind the cabin. Also has a Mode C transponder
      with blind encoder.
      
      The engine is a 4-stroke, 3-cyl engine made by Suzuki. It has the
      throttle-body fuel injection, burns 2.6 gal/hr of autogas, puts out
      about 60HP. It's been very reliable once I got it dialled in. Drives a
      Raven redrive (2.26 to 1) and a three-blade 63" ground-adjustable
      IVOprop. It has an electric starter and Raven's exhaust-tip muffler.
      Starts instantly, runs well, never misses a beat. The plane has two
      13-gal wing tanks.
      
      Factory-welded fuselage, powder coated, and Stits Polyfiber fabric, in
      excellent shape. It's always been hangared or stored indoors. $16,000
      in San Diego, including the tow bar for hitching to your car. Call me
      at 858-455-3672, or email at LilAbner_45 at yahoo dot com .
      
      
                      
      __________________________________ 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      
       Well, My old shaved Knobby tires are in need of a change!! I will be on
      asfault
      most of the time!! To those of you who have changed over from the originals,
      what type of tread did you go to?? I plan on using "Golf cart Tires"
      probably
      from CARLISLE! One tire available is a 18.5x8.5 x8 with a squareish profile
      and
      straight ribs!! Others, have a rounder profile( crown) but different tread!!
      Sure need some help here!!! Any suggestions !!
      
      Hi ! Gil,
                   I couldn't get rid off those old buffed down 2 ply ATV tyres
      quick enough. You only needed to look at a prickle half a mile away and you
      had a problem. I put greenslime sealant in the tyres but it was atttacking
      the rims. That stuff is only good for inside a tube.  Anyway I have now got
      lawnmower tyres on my plane. They are a little rounded with a fine block
      tread pattern. They are 4 ply made in USA and 18 x 6.50 x 8. This makes them
      a little lower and very slightly narrower giving clearance in the wheel
      pants. We initially tried them without tubes but was getting some leakage
      where the lugs for the brake discs had been welded on the back of the rim so
      we fitted tubes and run 14 PSI. I love these tyres on all surfaces. Hope
      this helps.
              Rex.
      rexjan@bigpond.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Baggage area access | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      
      Has anyone come up with a mod that enables one to enter the baggage area
      from outside the plane by altering or hinging the turtle deck?
      
      Hi ! Harry,
                       I'm in Australia and we see a lot of Skyfox's here. These
      have baggage access on top of the fuselage from outside. I have never looked
      in so I can't say how it works but it might be worth finding out. Seems too
      far back for access to the normal baggage area behind the seat unless it
      slants forward or something. If it doesn't C of G might be a worry but there
      is a lot of them around. I suggest you try finding out about it as it is
      some proven system.
      
      Rex.
      rexjan@bigpond.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Baggage area access | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
      
      I have seen the turtle deck cut and hinged in the center of the flaperon 
      slots, I believe the model 5 builders manual outlines the mod.
      Lloyd
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Baggage area access
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      >
      > Has anyone come up with a mod that enables one to enter the baggage area
      > from outside the plane by altering or hinging the turtle deck?
      >
      > Hi ! Harry,
      >                 I'm in Australia and we see a lot of Skyfox's here. These
      > have baggage access on top of the fuselage from outside. I have never 
      > looked
      > in so I can't say how it works but it might be worth finding out. Seems 
      > too
      > far back for access to the normal baggage area behind the seat unless it
      > slants forward or something. If it doesn't C of G might be a worry but 
      > there
      > is a lot of them around. I suggest you try finding out about it as it is
      > some proven system.
      >
      > Rex.
      > rexjan@bigpond.com
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org>
      
      Does anyone have a little left over they would sell to me? The smallest roll
      that ACS has is 25 yards for $40.
      Thanks
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Baggage area access | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
      
      
      Take a look at the Avid Mark IV. Mine has a baggage door on the side of the
      aircraft. The compartment has a light steel frame welded in place which
      forms the entryway for the compartment. I have a light aluminum door with a
      single camlock holding it closed. I attached a pic...don't know if this mail
      allows it or not...
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      >
      > Has anyone come up with a mod that enables one to enter the baggage area
      > from outside the plane by altering or hinging the turtle deck?
      >
      > Hi ! Harry,
      >                 I'm in Australia and we see a lot of Skyfox's here. These
      > have baggage access on top of the fuselage from outside. I have never
      > looked
      > in so I can't say how it works but it might be worth finding out. Seems
      > too
      > far back for access to the normal baggage area behind the seat unless it
      > slants forward or something. If it doesn't C of G might be a worry but 
      > there
      > is a lot of them around. I suggest you try finding out about it as it is
      > some proven system.
      >
      > Rex.
      > rexjan@bigpond.com
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
      
      How much do you need?
      
      Steve
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      brettandsandy@numail.org
      Subject: Kitfox-List: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org>
      
      Does anyone have a little left over they would sell to me? The smallest roll
      that ACS has is 25 yards for $40.
      Thanks
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne" <marwynne@verizon.net>
      
      Just curious about your Cessna 175.   Do you have the GO-300 Engine?  I also
      own a C175....  Mine flys great....   Good luck with your new toy...
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Maher
      Subject: Kitfox-List: For sale: Kitfox M2 w/Geo Metro engine
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
      
      Unfortunately I must sell my Kitfox. Just bought a Cessna 175
      four-seater, so I have to sell my fun plane. It's a Model 2 with the
      bowed doors, undercambered wing, and tundra tires. It has a Geo Metro
      car engine made by Suzuki, and a Raven redrive from Raven-Rotors of
      Boulder, CO. Flies very well, and is surprisingly quiet at idle.
      Cruises around 65, climbs 500 fpm, floats like a Kitfox on landing. The
      previous owner was John Dano.
      
      It has a Yaesu (Vertex) VXA-120 handheld radio mounted on the panel
      (powered from the plane's electrical system) with PTT on the stick and
      a real antenna on top behind the cabin. Also has a Mode C transponder
      with blind encoder.
      
      The engine is a 4-stroke, 3-cyl engine made by Suzuki. It has the
      throttle-body fuel injection, burns 2.6 gal/hr of autogas, puts out
      about 60HP. It's been very reliable once I got it dialled in. Drives a
      Raven redrive (2.26 to 1) and a three-blade 63" ground-adjustable
      IVOprop. It has an electric starter and Raven's exhaust-tip muffler.
      Starts instantly, runs well, never misses a beat. The plane has two
      13-gal wing tanks.
      
      Factory-welded fuselage, powder coated, and Stits Polyfiber fabric, in
      excellent shape. It's always been hangared or stored indoors. $16,000
      in San Diego, including the tow bar for hitching to your car. Call me
      at 858-455-3672, or email at LilAbner_45 at yahoo dot com .
      
      
      __________________________________
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org>
      
      I suppse 10-12 feet total.
      Brett (different ID, had to swotch computers to reply)
      
      >
      > How much do you need?
      >
      > Steve
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      > brettandsandy@numail.org
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: 4" bias cut pinked edge finish tape
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org>
      >
      > Does anyone have a little left over they would sell to me? The smallest
      > roll
      > that ACS has is 25 yards for $40.
      > Thanks
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
      
      Thanks Jim:
      
      I did try that, but maybe I didn't bend the tab enough.  I'll try again.
      
      Thanks,
      
      Kirk Martenson
      Classic IV
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" 
      > <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
      >
      >> Hi Kirk
      >
      > I had the same thing happen on my 912.  I tried everything and finally 
      > wound
      > up bending the flap on the float lever that closes the valve.  (New fuel
      > valves did not work either.  Neither did sending them to a carb shop and
      > having them cleaned.)  I only needed to move the tab a slight amount and 
      > the
      > cure was instant and long lasting.  I believe that once the floats have
      > topped out they could not shut the valve.  The float level seemed correct
      > after the repair.
      >
      > Jim Shumaker
      >
      >
      >> I have a Kitfox classic IV with a 912UL attached to it.  I have been
      >> having a flooding problem in that the engine is hard to start because
      >> there is too much gas getting into the float bowl.  When I take the bowl
      >> off, the gas comes gushing out as soon as the seal between the bowl and
      >> the carb body is broken.  When the needle valve is opened, it sounds like
      >> there is air pressure pushing the gas into the bowl.  I checked the level
      >> of the floats, they seem to be OK.  I also purchased new floats from 
      >> BING.
      >> Very expensive at $ 36.00 each.  The new floats did not fix the problem.
      >>
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: >Re:trailer from camper | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com
      
      Ben,
       Finally, I have an answer(possibly : ) ) instead of a question. I'm  new to 
      my Kitfox so I'm an avid reader of the list. Anyway, I too needed a  trailer 
      and like you figured a boat trailer would fill the bill. After some  thought 
      though I decided a boat trailer would need too much modification and  still 
      wouldn't afford much protection from below. I also considered smaller  trailers
      
      such as landscape and utility, but found they weren't readily available  in 
      longer lengths. With the overall folded length of my mod. 2 at about 22 ft. I 
      
      wanted the whole bird on the trailer, keeping the wingtips about 4 ft. from the
      
      back of my tow vehicle for clearance in tight turns. Here's what I found, I  
      heard about a couple of old boys whose side line was trailer frames. Seems they
      
       would canvass area campgrounds for derelict, abandoned campers, apparently 
      the  campground operators were happy to have them drag them out of there. They
      
      would  then completely strip them to the frames, recycling everything they 
      could for  scrap. I bought an 18 ft.(plus 4 ft. for the tongue) tandem axle for
      
      $150. I  decked it with  2x8x18 pressure treated boards, added a set of 
      pre-made  fenders from the local trailer supply store, and a light kit. Done. Well,
      
      almost, I did have to move the axles back because the tongue was way too light
      
       with the plane on it with most of the weight in the nose of the plane which  
      faces backwards. But that was simply a matter of buying the pre-made spring  
      hangers and welding them an equal distance from the existing rear hangers.  
      Everything bolted right back up. The tandem axles, along with under inflated  
      radials, gives the plane a very gentle ride. It's also relatively low to the  
      ground for easy ramping. Sturdy enough for other jobs too, atv's, etc.
       Anyway, I hope this is useful to you for another idea. Now, if I  could just 
      figure out what brand of radio belongs in the tray that's in my  
      panel..........  :  )
      
      Safe Flying,
      Greg G.
      n375kl
      KF II 582
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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