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1. 03:47 AM - Re: Attitude indicators (Fox5flyer)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: Attitude indicators (Steve Zakreski)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Attitude indicators (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: Attitude indicators (Steve Zakreski)
5. 02:54 PM - Noisy gearbox (Rex & Jan Shaw)
6. 02:57 PM - Gil, where did you go for you lawn mower tires? (Rex & Jan Shaw)
7. 03:06 PM - Where did you go for you lawn mower tires? Try Desser! (Aerobatics@aol.com)
8. 05:46 PM - Re: Noisy gearbox (Bob Robertson)
9. 07:16 PM - Re: Overload Clutch (Jeffrey Puls)
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| Subject: | Re: Attitude indicators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Steve do you have any experience with or do you know anyone who has one of
these electronic AIs? I'm curious how they work and whether they're as
accurate as the RC Allen type. Price doesn't seem to be much different than
the old conventional units.
If they make an electronic AI (that really works) to fit in the 3.125 hole
I'd seriously consider upgrading.
Deke
skeptical of new fangled gadgets
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Ben
>
> I have a vacuum pump and vacuum gyros in my aircraft since most of these
> products were just coming out when I was finishing my Kitfox. But if I
was
> doing it again, I would probably use the Control Vision AI with the Ipaq.
>
> http://www.anywheremap.com/detail.aspx?ID=111
>
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/index.html
>
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page23.htm
>
>
> If you want to drool, take a look at the picture on this site!! Wow.
> http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm
>
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
> Baltrusaitis
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
>
> Steve,
> Any recommendations on what to buy? I just purchased a Model V and need to
> put something in it so I can fly at night.
> Thanks!
> Ben
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Zakreski
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: 03/24/2005 9:57 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in
your
> aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
> over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There
is
> a
> whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't
weigh
> much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a
> no-brainer.
> If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the
ability
> to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
> going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
> down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the
second
> time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
> predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
> going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
> happen all the time.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
>
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| Subject: | Attitude indicators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Deke
No direct experience. I've seen them demonstrated at the shows but never
used one in flight. But they sure seem responsive enough. Maybe...Oshkosh?
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Steve do you have any experience with or do you know anyone who has one of
these electronic AIs? I'm curious how they work and whether they're as
accurate as the RC Allen type. Price doesn't seem to be much different than
the old conventional units.
If they make an electronic AI (that really works) to fit in the 3.125 hole
I'd seriously consider upgrading.
Deke
skeptical of new fangled gadgets
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Ben
>
> I have a vacuum pump and vacuum gyros in my aircraft since most of these
> products were just coming out when I was finishing my Kitfox. But if I
was
> doing it again, I would probably use the Control Vision AI with the Ipaq.
>
> http://www.anywheremap.com/detail.aspx?ID=111
>
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/index.html
>
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page23.htm
>
>
> If you want to drool, take a look at the picture on this site!! Wow.
> http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm
>
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
> Baltrusaitis
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
>
> Steve,
> Any recommendations on what to buy? I just purchased a Model V and need to
> put something in it so I can fly at night.
> Thanks!
> Ben
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Zakreski
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: 03/24/2005 9:57 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Florida to Michigan
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Why is it you guys don't install some kind of Attitude Indicators in
your
> aircraft? Is it because of the cost? There are lots of times when going
> over the clouds is infinitely safer than flying under the clouds. There
is
> a
> whole host of new electronic attitude indicator options which don't
weigh
> much and will make descending through a cloud layer like this a
> no-brainer.
> If you combine an attitude indicator with a good GPS, you have the
ability
> to bail yourself out of many bad situations, by giving you the option of
> going up rather than scud running, and then knowing you can let yourself
> down someplace, through clouds if you have to. Darrel, this is the
second
> time for you that an attitude indicator would have bailed you out of a
> predicament. Just a thought. Sure it is not cheap, but damn, if you are
> going to use the Kitfox to fly places, these kind of things are going to
> happen all the time.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attitude indicators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Deke,
Congrats on getting safely back home with the 'new' airplane, what an ordeal
(and well written to). I remember the airplane well and it is a beauty.
Glad to see you equipping for getting through the clouds on those rare
occasions when stuck on top. Just some advice from an old CFI; get the right
training to use the instruments and keep proficient, so when you need to use the
ticket you can do so safely.
For serious (IMC) instrument flying I would look to reputable instruments
(TSO'd) and backups. The new electronic AI's are getting to be really
interesting. There are a number of methods used to drive these units and depending
on the quality they can be better or worse than the standard gyro driven
units. Unless you are an electronics guru, I would suggest starting by looking
at
what the certified aircraft are using, such as the Chelton or Avidyne PFD's.
See what makes them tick. Then check out the units that cost about 75%
less and find out if they meet the same requirements and ask why they are so
cheap? I have to admit, the cheap units look pretty good. I just wonder though
if their update rates are up to the task? Do they 'tumble' at excessive
bank angles? If GPS driven, will a steep turn blank out the signal just when
you need it, etc, etc.
Just some things to think about.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Attitude indicators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I guess that begs the question: Does anybody have flying experience flying
the new electronic attitude indicators?? Good/Bad stories?
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mdkitfox@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attitude indicators
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Deke,
Congrats on getting safely back home with the 'new' airplane, what an
ordeal
(and well written to). I remember the airplane well and it is a beauty.
Glad to see you equipping for getting through the clouds on those rare
occasions when stuck on top. Just some advice from an old CFI; get the
right
training to use the instruments and keep proficient, so when you need to
use the
ticket you can do so safely.
For serious (IMC) instrument flying I would look to reputable instruments
(TSO'd) and backups. The new electronic AI's are getting to be really
interesting. There are a number of methods used to drive these units and
depending
on the quality they can be better or worse than the standard gyro driven
units. Unless you are an electronics guru, I would suggest starting by
looking at
what the certified aircraft are using, such as the Chelton or Avidyne
PFD's.
See what makes them tick. Then check out the units that cost about 75%
less and find out if they meet the same requirements and ask why they are
so
cheap? I have to admit, the cheap units look pretty good. I just wonder
though
if their update rates are up to the task? Do they 'tumble' at excessive
bank angles? If GPS driven, will a steep turn blank out the signal just
when
you need it, etc, etc.
Just some things to think about.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Is the gearbox noisy in all of these 582/B box configurations???? Mine seems
more noisy after flying for 30 min. or longer then upon power reduction it
seems
quite noticeable. The oil is clean with no evidence of cuttings or wear in
the past oil change.
I just put Castrol SAF-XA synthetic oil in my "E" box and it is quieter. It
is GL6 rated. I changed the oil then after a couple of hours changed it
again to flush all the old mineral oil out. It is expensive oil but not
really as you only use 200cc even when the box is mounted up like mine.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Gil, where did you go for you lawn mower tires? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I just ordered mine from the local tyre shop. Took 1 day to arrive at $63AU
each. Tubes I later fitted were $13AU each
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Where did you go for you lawn mower tires? Try Desser! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I called them....they knew exactly what I wanted and they came shaved... It
wasnt cheap.
1-800-247-8473
My KF 2 needed... 20/700-8 2 ply experimental - smooth - Buffed
59.95 ea.
total April 2004 was 130.18 including shipping...
Hope this helped....
In fact I got that infor fromthis site!!!
:-)
my only complaint was they left a few nubs on the side..... but looks good
Dave KF2 582 BH
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| Subject: | Re: Noisy gearbox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Rex,
Your Type-B reduction drive should not be noisy at all, unless you have your
idle set very low causing the gear box to "clatter" a bit.
I guess I have some questions re the service life of the gear drive.
How many hours total on the gear drive?
Type/Manufacturer/Diameter and number of blades of your propeller?
Manufactuer/Type and viscosity of the gear oil being used?
What rpms' do you notice the noise and what does it sound like?
With the above info we can possibly help.
Aside form the above...keep and eye on your E drive gear seals.
We switched away from synthetic oils in our gear drives as the
seals would weep oil when using synthetic.. I guess it's just so slippery
that it works its way though the seal. After 10+ hours it left a gummy
film on the re-drive and engine block. Switching back to regurlar gear oil
stopped the problem. I don't know if other have experienced this.
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Noisy gearbox
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Is the gearbox noisy in all of these 582/B box configurations???? Mine
seems
> more noisy after flying for 30 min. or longer then upon power reduction it
> seems
> quite noticeable. The oil is clean with no evidence of cuttings or wear in
> the past oil change.
>
> I just put Castrol SAF-XA synthetic oil in my "E" box and it is quieter.
It
> is GL6 rated. I changed the oil then after a couple of hours changed it
> again to flush all the old mineral oil out. It is expensive oil but not
> really as you only use 200cc even when the box is mounted up like mine.
> Rex.
>
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Overload Clutch |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Thanks Bob. If it is what I think it is it cost about $700 for the upgrade.
Jeff
> [Original Message]
> From: <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/25/2005 11:28:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Overload Clutch
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
>
> Hi Jeffery,
>
> There are no external differences on the engine to determine of you have
(or
> don't have) an over-load clutch in your engine. Only the latest
Rotax912UL-S
> (100 hp) have the clcutch installed as a standard item. Even some of the
> earlier 912s's came withouth the clutch.
> Your best bet is to contact the company from whom you purchased your
engine.
> They would have (or should have) on record whether your engine has had
the
> clutch installed.
> If you have a 912ul (80 hp) I would doubt a clutch is installed as it was
(and
> is) a costly item. The clutch has become a standard item on the 100 hp
912's
> to help combat the harsh starts and shut downs caused by the higher
> compression of this model.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Bob Robertson
> Light Engine Service Ltd.
> Rotax Service Center
>
>
> Quoting Jeffrey Puls <pulsair@mindspring.com>:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
<pulsair@mindspring.com>
> >
> > I'm reading the recent Service Instruction on checking the frfiction
torque
> > of the propeller gear with the overload clutch. It says "if installed."
I
> > thought all 912UL's had an overload clutch. How do you tell if you have
one.
> > Anyone know? Jeff Classic IV 912UL
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey Puls
> > pulsair@mindspring.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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