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1. 05:28 AM - Model 3 Oil Reservoir (Steve Magdic)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (W Duke)
3. 07:09 AM - Re: Kill Switch (Lowell Fitt)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 building sequence (Mike Couillard)
5. 08:14 AM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (Mike Couillard)
6. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 building sequence (Randy Daughenbaugh)
7. 12:12 PM - Project Pictures (Hank Seidel)
8. 12:55 PM - Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S (Kerry Skyring)
9. 01:06 PM - Re: Model 3 Oil Reservoir (joe)
10. 01:08 PM - Was Rudder pedal - weeks away... (Kerry Skyring)
11. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Series 5 building sequence (Kerry Skyring)
12. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Series 5 building sequence (Mike Couillard)
13. 02:38 PM - Re: nosegear parts wanted (Cudnohufsky's)
14. 02:47 PM - Re: Was Rudder pedal - weeks away... (David Estapa)
15. 02:56 PM - Back in the Game (Michael Gibbs)
16. 03:17 PM - Re: Back in the Game (Ron)
17. 03:30 PM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (John Anderson)
18. 03:30 PM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (John Anderson)
19. 03:42 PM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (Mike Couillard)
20. 04:11 PM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
21. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S (Vic Jacko)
22. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S (jdmcbean)
23. 05:23 PM - Attaching Seat Pan (Fox5flyer)
24. 05:38 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction (Guy Buchanan)
25. 06:24 PM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (John Anderson)
26. 06:54 PM - Turbo Boost EA-81 s (Rick)
27. 08:11 PM - [ Nelson Goguen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
28. 08:12 PM - [ Nelson Goguen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
29. 09:25 PM - Re: Attaching Seat Pan (kurt schrader)
30. 09:33 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction (aerocon1@telusplanet.net)
31. 09:33 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction (aerocon1@telusplanet.net)
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| Subject: | Model 3 Oil Reservoir |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Do to work, weather, and vacation, my Model 3 with 912 has sat in the hanger for
about three weeks now. Since the oil reservoir is mounted above the engine, all
the oil has siphoned back in to the crank case. Usually I can hand crank the prop
until it's pumped back to the reservoir. This last time I pulled the top plugs
and cranked
for about an hour before giving up. I ran the engine for 3 hours without a problem
before it sat in the hanger. I can only assume the oil system needs the venting
procedure recommended by Rotax.
Do any of you 912 owner/operators have experience with this type of problem? If
so, would you please give me some input on this procedure?
Thanks in advance.
Steve Magdic
N490PA
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Seat Pan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I kind of like the plastic ties.
Maxwell
Mike Couillard <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
I'm wondering if someone has found a better way to attach the seat pan
to the Kitfox (I've got a series 5 and I don't like the suggested method
of using plastic ties)
Open to your ideas...
Mike
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Joel, As I recall it, the voltage regulator requires a load at all times
when the engine is turning. So to shut off the charging circuit you will
need to put something across that circuit to ensure an adequate load to
avoid frying the regulator. I don't recall the needed resistance, but foggy
memory suggests that some put a light bulb across the circuit or a suitable
resistor. I can't remember the values needed.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kill Switch
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes"
> <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
> My model 5 is coming together and the panel has a 5 position key switch
> and
> a split master switch, selected no doubt by my years of Cessna experience.
> I
> can see the advantage of cranking the 912ULS without spark during start-up
> and could add a momentary switch to ground the mags. I am wondering how to
> properly wire the ALT side of the split master to disable the charging
> circuit if necessary without causing damage to anything.
>
> Joel
> Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Series 5 building sequence |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Thanks for all the inputs!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Series 5 building sequence
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
There is nothing wrong with the plans. Maybe just some confusion as to
the geometry of the rudder contfol system.
With the Kitfox design, the springs only add sufficient tension to
prevent the cables from slopping around. Since the Kitfox is a heavy
rudder design - don't expect to fly with your feet on the floor, like
my friend in his Skyklane - the foot pressure as you fly will create the
tension. In other words the tension is created by the force of right
foot on the right pedal with the cable going to the rudder. The left
cable comes from the rudder to the left pedal where the force of the
left foot picks up the pressure.
The only practical value of a turn buckle would be with a Model IV or
earlier to adjust pedal position - short legs vs. long legs. The
desegn
there has adjustable links that accommodater this. The newer models
have rudder pedal adjustment build in.
All tigntening the turnbuckle would do is stretch the spring. If for
some reason the light tension is a problem, just get a stronger spring.
I wouldn't do that though, there are just too many Kitfoxes flying out
there just as the factory designed them.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Series 5 building sequence
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
> Randy wrote..
>
> The springs in the adjustment mechanism take up the slack in the
cables.
> I
>>suppose you could put turnbuckles in the system..
>
> Randy stop us doing something silly. I'm just the builders helper but
he
> was
> complaining the other day that after having the cables swaged they
were
> still too slack and he would have to have it done again. He has
> turnbuckles
> at the rudder. Without actually going into it too deeply I felt the
cables
> and they did indeed feel a bit slack and perhaps the adjustment in the
> turnbuckles would not be enough to tighten them up. Are you saying
this
> doesn't matter? I didn't actually think about the adjustment of the
> pedals.
> What should we do before we do something silly?
>
> Kerry
> Builders helper and translator. S5 912S.
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Attaching Seat Pan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Thanks!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Mike,
A good number of years ago SkyStar suggested to me that I use hose
clamps at the four corners of the seat. I did that and it's worked out
fine. If one were inclined he could use more hose clamps, too.
Bill
IV1200 115 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
<Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
>
> I'm wondering if someone has found a better way to attach the seat pan
> to the Kitfox (I've got a series 5 and I don't like the suggested
method
> of using plastic ties)
>
> Open to your ideas...
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Series 5 building sequence |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kerry,
I think Lowell said it well. The springs and the feet take up the slack.
Randy
Do not archive
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Skyring
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Series 5 building sequence
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
<kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Randy wrote..
The springs in the adjustment mechanism take up the slack in the cables. I
>suppose you could put turnbuckles in the system..
Randy stop us doing something silly. I'm just the builders helper but he was
complaining the other day that after having the cables swaged they were
still too slack and he would have to have it done again. He has turnbuckles
at the rudder. Without actually going into it too deeply I felt the cables
and they did indeed feel a bit slack and perhaps the adjustment in the
turnbuckles would not be enough to tighten them up. Are you saying this
doesn't matter? I didn't actually think about the adjustment of the pedals.
What should we do before we do something silly?
Kerry
Builders helper and translator. S5 912S.
>
>
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| Subject: | Project Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Seidel <hank@hankseidel.com>
Hi,
A friend of mine is also building a model IV and I have posted some
pics on my website. Thought you all might enjoy.
http://www.hankseidel.com/flying/margaret_kf/
My page is under construction.
Hank
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| Subject: | Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>Did I read this correct? Your club's Cessna 150 has a Rotax 912s?
hello Vic. Yes it does. I am in Austria (home of the Rotax) and the
conversion was done in Germany.
I will look up some details and let you know who it was done by and how
much. I vaguely remember hearing that it was quite a lot of euros - no doubt
because it all has to be officialy STC'd
etc. It has a Hoffman variable pitch prop which I think brings about the
greatest change in performance. A couple of impressions from just 2.5 hours
of flying circuits etc. - climb performance exceeds that of a standard C150
by quite a margin, no doubt mainly due to the prop. It's quieter, both from
inside and outside. Cruise seems about the same as a standard 150 but I am
no expert on Cessnas. The most significant difference though is the landing,
and again due to that big VP prop. There is no float. Flare and you stop
flying. So this is a good STOL plane. The installation is neat and there is
a nice big cowl which also sort of blocks the view particulary in climb. But
the club seems to think that the overhaul running costs will in the long
term make it a better proposition than the 0-200. Time will tell. The
instructors seem to prefer the 0-200 powered C150 for ab-initio training
because the added complexity of the VP prop is a bit much for students. Will
get back to you and try to send a photo. kerry.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model 3 Oil Reservoir |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "joe" <joe@arin.k12.pa.us>
.
Do any of you 912 owner/operators have experience with this
type of problem? If
so, would you please give me some input on this procedure?
++++ I hand prop it about 50 or 100 turns every couple of
weeks. depends on type of oil.
sometimes I can go for a month.
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| Subject: | Was Rudder pedal - weeks away... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
C. David Estapa
>S5 N97DE -weeks away from flying!
David we are an S5 as well and there are no other Kitfoxes around here so I
need to ask about
your "weeks away from flying." We have done just about everything except
paint cowls and flaperons and doors and assemble the whole thing. We
estimate we are "months away from flying" and have set mid June for the
final inspection by our Austrian aviation authoritiy. Have you got the wings
on? Have you run the engine? Sorry about the all the questions but I am just
trying to work out where we are. I know we have quite a bit of paperwork
ahead but the big things as far as i can see are weight and balance and
rigging and then going over everything with a fine tooth comb. Where are we
in the big scheme of things? kerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Fox5flyer
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder petal reinforcements
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > --> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Hi Nelson. Unless I'm missing it your post doesn't seem to be
> > getting
> > posted on photoshare. Try going to Sportflight.com/uploads. That's
> > our
> > (Kitfox List) archive of photos. Easy to upload and lots of stuff
> > to
> > browse through by category.
> > Deke
> > List Administrator
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Nelson J. Goguen"
> > <mino@rcn.com>
> > > Hey guys, After reading, on this list, about some rudder petals
> > > cracking
> > at the weld joint, I thought I would strengthen mine without
> > removing
> > them from the plane. To remove them I would have had to drill out
> > all
> > the rivets that secures the firewall to the bottom of the
> > fuselarge.
> > Then remove the lock nuts that hold the rudder petal mounting
> > brackets.
> > I would have to get reinforcements welded, repaint or powder coate
> > and
> > reinstall. Anyway, I made a pattern (my original trade "pattern
> > maker")
> > and had aluminum castings made. They look like a split pipe tee
> > with
> > the bottom partially removed to clear the floor boards. Two small
> > cap
> > screws will hold them in place while the structual adhesive cures.
> > The
> > vertical arms are then riveted.
> > Pictures at http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > >
> > > Fly safe,
> > >
> > > Nelsonl
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | RE: Series 5 building sequence |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>Kerry,
>I think Lowell said it well. The springs and the feet take up the slack.
Absolutlely! I've got it now and I will tell the owner not to do anything.
In the back of my mind was
my Auster which does require a certain tension on the cables - but not much.
Now I understand that the moment I put my feet on those rudder pedals all of
the slack is gone. And my feet will be on on those pedals from start up to
stop. Saved by the list. Kerry.
>Randy wrote..
>
>The springs in the adjustment mechanism take up the slack in the cables. I
> >suppose you could put turnbuckles in the system..
>
>Randy stop us doing something silly. I'm just the builders helper but he
>was
>
>complaining the other day that after having the cables swaged they were
>still too slack and he would have to have it done again. He has turnbuckles
>at the rudder. Without actually going into it too deeply I felt the cables
>and they did indeed feel a bit slack and perhaps the adjustment in the
>turnbuckles would not be enough to tighten them up. Are you saying this
>doesn't matter? I didn't actually think about the adjustment of the pedals.
>What should we do before we do something silly?
>
>Kerry
>Builders helper and translator. S5 912S.
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | RE: Series 5 building sequence |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Thanks all for your inputs on this...nice to have some experienced
voices out there
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Skyring
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Series 5 building sequence
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
--> <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>Kerry,
>I think Lowell said it well. The springs and the feet take up the
slack.
Absolutlely! I've got it now and I will tell the owner not to do
anything.
In the back of my mind was
my Auster which does require a certain tension on the cables - but not
much.
Now I understand that the moment I put my feet on those rudder pedals
all of the slack is gone. And my feet will be on on those pedals from
start up to stop. Saved by the list. Kerry.
>Randy wrote..
>
>The springs in the adjustment mechanism take up the slack in the
>cables. I
> >suppose you could put turnbuckles in the system..
>
>Randy stop us doing something silly. I'm just the builders helper but
>he was
>
>complaining the other day that after having the cables swaged they were
>still too slack and he would have to have it done again. He has
>turnbuckles at the rudder. Without actually going into it too deeply I
>felt the cables and they did indeed feel a bit slack and perhaps the
>adjustment in the turnbuckles would not be enough to tighten them up.
>Are you saying this doesn't matter? I didn't actually think about the
adjustment of the pedals.
>What should we do before we do something silly?
>
>Kerry
>Builders helper and translator. S5 912S.
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: nosegear parts wanted |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Ray,
Did you do anything with fairing the gear across the bottom of the fuselage?
Also, any thoughts on how much drag is added from a standard Y shaped VOR
antenna or any antenna for that matter, are you using internal or external
antennas?
Lloyd
Model 5 912
----- Original Message -----
From: <Raystuff7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nosegear parts wanted
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Raystuff7@aol.com
>
> Randy,
>
> The 912S drives a 72" variable pitch prop(vernier adjustment) made by GSX,
> I
> think. My speed checks after tweaking the fairings, were done by GPS
> triangular course at 1000 ft, max power 5600, and crank in pitch at wot to
> load the
> engine to max power.
>
> Ed Swearingen told me it is hard to get speed by adding horsepower; drag
> reduction is the key.
>
> Beyond all of Skystar's fairings, I streamlined the landing gear. A belly
> pan
> and gear legs are faired and enclosed in .016 sheet. The entire landing
> gear, except the bottom of the tires are enclosed. Do a speed check. then
> wrap and
> tape some cardboard fairings, about 7" chord to your gear legs. Go fly it
> again, and see the difference.
>
> In addition, cooling drag was reduced by eliminating the 3-4" cowl opening
> that hangs below the cabin floor. I cut and re-shaped the cowling so that
> it
> comes out even with the cabin floor. This, in effect, reduces the
> airplane's
> frontal area by about 4 X 25" = 100sq". If you do this, you must add a
> rounded
> fairing , about 2" radius right at the bottom edge of the firewall so that
> the
> air will stick to the cabin floor rather than tumble out the opening. The
> opening is a hole cut about 3-4" just ahead of the bottom of the firewall.
>
> In all, I added about a dozen little fairings, like stabilizer brace, the
> little torque tubes exiting the fuselage for the flapperons (4-5") are
> easily
> covered by the extra streamlined strut fairing material that came in the
> kit,
> etc. Just look the plane over, and if you see a finger of drag, try to
> eliminate
> it. The challenge is fun, and not only gives more speed, but longer legs
> going
> cross-country with the increased fuel mileage..
>
> Let me know how it works for you. I probably won't be on this chat line
> much
> longer, but my address is: Ray Ward, PO Box 72, Beasley, Tex. 77417
>
> Ray Eard
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was Rudder pedal - weeks away... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
Kerry, you will notice I did not say how many weeks! My friends and
family have nick named my plane "3 more months" because of my habit of
answering the question of "when is it going to fly?" with "3 more
months". I have to paint a few more components (ie wing tips and lift
strut fairings) and correct some painting problems, but am about 90% on
painting. I have rigged the wings, but have to put them back on the
plane. The engine is ready to start but not started because my paint
booth is blocking the garage door. All electrical is done, fuel lines,
static lines, interior installed, and all guages and instruments that can
be tested without running the engine have been tested. The airplane is
registered and all I need is weight and balance, inspection and
airworthiness certificate. I'm guessing 6 weeks (I plan on taking amost a
week off for Sun-N-Fun). I'm not sure what your weather is but I have
been slowed down by high humidity we have in the southern US. Sounds like
your estimate is conservative. Besides my other project (a RV-9A) has
slowed me down.
C. David Estapa
S5 N97DE -weeks away from flying!
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:07:44 +0200 "Kerry Skyring"
<kerryskyring@hotmail.com> writes:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
> C. David Estapa
> >S5 N97DE -weeks away from flying!
>
> David we are an S5 as well and there are no other Kitfoxes around
> here so I
> need to ask about
> your "weeks away from flying." We have done just about everything
> except
> paint cowls and flaperons and doors and assemble the whole thing. We
>
> estimate we are "months away from flying" and have set mid June for
> the
> final inspection by our Austrian aviation authoritiy. Have you got
> the wings
> on? Have you run the engine? Sorry about the all the questions but I
> am just
> trying to work out where we are. I know we have quite a bit of
> paperwork
> ahead but the big things as far as i can see are weight and balance
> and
> rigging and then going over everything with a fine tooth comb. Where
> are we
> in the big scheme of things? kerry
>
>
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Fox5flyer
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder petal reinforcements
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > > --> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >
> > > Hi Nelson. Unless I'm missing it your post doesn't seem to be
> > > getting
> > > posted on photoshare. Try going to Sportflight.com/uploads.
> That's
> > > our
> > > (Kitfox List) archive of photos. Easy to upload and lots of
> stuff
> > > to
> > > browse through by category.
> > > Deke
> > > List Administrator
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Nelson J. Goguen"
> > > <mino@rcn.com>
> > > > Hey guys, After reading, on this list, about some rudder
> petals
> > > > cracking
> > > at the weld joint, I thought I would strengthen mine without
> > > removing
> > > them from the plane. To remove them I would have had to drill
> out
> > > all
> > > the rivets that secures the firewall to the bottom of the
> > > fuselarge.
> > > Then remove the lock nuts that hold the rudder petal mounting
> > > brackets.
> > > I would have to get reinforcements welded, repaint or powder
> coate
> > > and
> > > reinstall. Anyway, I made a pattern (my original trade
> "pattern
> > > maker")
> > > and had aluminum castings made. They look like a split pipe
> tee
> > > with
> > > the bottom partially removed to clear the floor boards. Two
> small
> > > cap
> > > screws will hold them in place while the structual adhesive
> cures.
> > > The
> > > vertical arms are then riveted.
> > > Pictures at http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > >
> > > > Fly safe,
> > > >
> > > > Nelsonl
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
Just wanted to let you know that I am once again a 'fox builder, this
time a Series 6! Many thanks to John McBean, Murle Williams, and
Phil Laker for making it possible. Deep breath...!
For those of you following the saga, I was up and about using a
walker until a week and a half ago when I had yet another surgery on
my left knee. After grinding down part of my kneecap (some of which
had been exposed since the accident), moving some skin over it and
performing a small skin graft on the side of the knee, the doctor
sent me home and ordered me off of my feet for a couple of weeks.
It's tough being back in bed all day, but that hasn't stopped me from
making some progress already on the new instrument panel.
My friend Del once told me that when he was a young man he had his
car stolen, a Corvette that he had wanted badly for a long time. He
had not had it long when the theft occurred, so he was able to
understand my desire to build another Kitfox. Each of us had
something taken from us too soon.
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Hi Mike,
It is really nice to hear from you with your update. Just knowing how close
we all came to losing you makes every posting you make to the list a joy to
be able to read. Obey the doc & get well fast!
Ron N55KF
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Back in the Game
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
I have posted pictures of my seat mout on Sportflight. ~j~
From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I kind of like the plastic ties.
Maxwell
Mike Couillard <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
I'm wondering if someone has found a better way to attach the seat pan
to the Kitfox (I've got a series 5 and I don't like the suggested method
of using plastic ties)
Open to your ideas...
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
I have posted pictures of my seat mount on Sportflight. ~j~
From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I kind of like the plastic ties.
Maxwell
Mike Couillard <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
I'm wondering if someone has found a better way to attach the seat pan
to the Kitfox (I've got a series 5 and I don't like the suggested method
of using plastic ties)
Open to your ideas...
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| Subject: | Attaching Seat Pan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Anderson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
--> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
I have posted pictures of my seat mount on Sportflight. ~j~
From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I kind of like the plastic ties.
Maxwell
Mike Couillard <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
I'm wondering if someone has found a better way to attach the seat pan
to the Kitfox (I've got a series 5 and I don't like the suggested method
of using plastic ties) Open to your ideas...
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Just a little thought on these seat pans. First, you don't need anything to
hold the pans down, your rear end and the seat belts will do that. Second,
you "might" have to worry about the seat pans collapsing downward in case of
the super hard landing. If this happens, you could loose control of the
flapperons/elevator due to jamming (has happened before).
One thing that has been discussed before and adapted by some Kifoxers
is to install a couple 1" wide nylon straps under the seat and attached to the
fwd/aft seat bulkhead tubes. Fix the straps so that they "barely" support
the seat and put one under each cheek of your rear (both pilot/passenger).
This should keep the seat from collapsing in a very hard landing.
Mine is set up this way and I stopped using the tie-wraps on.
Gravity/bodies hold the seat down and the nylon straps underneath keeps the seat
from
caving in during bad times. I also added a layer of fiberglass/tape to the
underside of the upper/lower seat lip for extra strength. Now, I have the IV
and understand the V has less of a lip on the seat pans. I believe it was a
V that once had the seat collapse on a hard landing (long time ago). I think
it flexed and slipped backwards until it came off the fwd seat bulkhead?????
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Thanks for the impute, I am sure others on the list who grew up with the
150 will have an interest. How about that, a Cessna 150 with a variable
pitch prop. Great way to get a complex endorsement in your logbook.
Vic
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
>>Did I read this correct? Your club's Cessna 150 has a Rotax 912s?
>
> hello Vic. Yes it does. I am in Austria (home of the Rotax) and the
> conversion was done in Germany.
> I will look up some details and let you know who it was done by and how
> much. I vaguely remember hearing that it was quite a lot of euros - no
> doubt
> because it all has to be officialy STC'd
> etc. It has a Hoffman variable pitch prop which I think brings about the
> greatest change in performance. A couple of impressions from just 2.5
> hours
> of flying circuits etc. - climb performance exceeds that of a standard
> C150
> by quite a margin, no doubt mainly due to the prop. It's quieter, both
> from
> inside and outside. Cruise seems about the same as a standard 150 but I am
> no expert on Cessnas. The most significant difference though is the
> landing,
> and again due to that big VP prop. There is no float. Flare and you stop
> flying. So this is a good STOL plane. The installation is neat and there
> is
> a nice big cowl which also sort of blocks the view particulary in climb.
> But
> the club seems to think that the overhaul running costs will in the long
> term make it a better proposition than the 0-200. Time will tell. The
> instructors seem to prefer the 0-200 powered C150 for ab-initio training
> because the added complexity of the VP prop is a bit much for students.
> Will
> get back to you and try to send a photo. kerry.
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
As long as it's a retract C150.... LOL
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vic Jacko
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Thanks for the impute, I am sure others on the list who grew up with the
150 will have an interest. How about that, a Cessna 150 with a variable
pitch prop. Great way to get a complex endorsement in your logbook.
Vic
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Was choke - C150 with 912S
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
>>Did I read this correct? Your club's Cessna 150 has a Rotax 912s?
>
> hello Vic. Yes it does. I am in Austria (home of the Rotax) and the
> conversion was done in Germany.
> I will look up some details and let you know who it was done by and how
> much. I vaguely remember hearing that it was quite a lot of euros - no
> doubt
> because it all has to be officialy STC'd
> etc. It has a Hoffman variable pitch prop which I think brings about the
> greatest change in performance. A couple of impressions from just 2.5
> hours
> of flying circuits etc. - climb performance exceeds that of a standard
> C150
> by quite a margin, no doubt mainly due to the prop. It's quieter, both
> from
> inside and outside. Cruise seems about the same as a standard 150 but I am
> no expert on Cessnas. The most significant difference though is the
> landing,
> and again due to that big VP prop. There is no float. Flare and you stop
> flying. So this is a good STOL plane. The installation is neat and there
> is
> a nice big cowl which also sort of blocks the view particulary in climb.
> But
> the club seems to think that the overhaul running costs will in the long
> term make it a better proposition than the 0-200. Time will tell. The
> instructors seem to prefer the 0-200 powered C150 for ab-initio training
> because the added complexity of the VP prop is a bit much for students.
> Will
> get back to you and try to send a photo. kerry.
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>> >
>> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Very nice John. Similar to what I did. I noticed you have some canisters
in parallel. Are those fuel pumps?
Deke
>
> I have posted pictures of my seat mount on Sportflight. ~j~
>
> From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
> I kind of like the plastic ties.
> Maxwell
> Mike Couillard <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
> I'm wondering if someone has found a better way to attach the seat pan
> to the Kitfox (I've got a series 5 and I don't like the suggested method
> of using plastic ties)
> Open to your ideas...
> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:26 PM 4/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
...
>Seeing as
>SkyStar has already modified the exhaust to the detriment of HP I doubt
>you'd want to lose any more horsepower.
How have they modified the exhaust to the detriment of HP. I ask because
I'm going to modify it more. Maybe I can modify it back! Or maybe I can
talk the Flightline Paraflight guys into making me one of their whizbang
exhausts to fit a Kitfox!
>Add about 6 inches to your gear legs..... Change out the gear drive to a
>3.47:1 set of gears....Buy a Culver 77" x 53" in prop.....Go suprise
>everyone in your neighborhood as this combo makes exceptionally little
>noise. The prop will pull an amazing 430-440 lbs. of thrust. It turns at a
>very slow rate of 1800 rpm at 6250 engine rpm.. It turns a very quiet 1670
>rpm at 5800 engine rpm.
I really like this idea. Maybe if I used REALLY big tundra tires...
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes Mike, Bosch EFI fuel pumps. ~j~
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Very nice John. Similar to what I did. I noticed you have some canisters
in parallel. Are those fuel pumps?
Deke
>
>I have posted pictures of my seat mount on Sportflight. ~j~
>
>From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
>Kitfox-List: Attaching Seat Pan Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT)
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> I kind of like
>the plastic ties. Maxwell Mike Couillard <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
>wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" I'm wondering if
>someone has found a better way to attach the seat pan to the Kitfox (I've
>got a series 5 and I don't like the suggested method of using plastic ties)
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| Subject: | Turbo Boost EA-81 s |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Well for the few crazy turbo folks on the list I was finally able to confirm
my suspicion about how the boost controller operates at altitude. In a nut
shell with my manual set up I could easily get 45 too 50 IMP at 10,000 feet.
It is a bit tricky to operate, slight changes make quick changes. A bit to
much work load for me. I plan on making a system that will allow an easy
return to auto control. In the auto mode I could only make about 37 IMP at
10,000 feet. Now The turbo is the larger IHI unit but has a slightly larger
compressor wheel, same exhaust turbine plus the housing is coated and the
inlet machined a bit. Similar results I think could be obtained with the
unmodified larger unit. Additionally with the bigger compressor the bypass
opening had to be enlarged to prevent over boost. Right now I am running it
with the stock bypass control pot. I will keep those posted that are
interested and as we all do delete if now of interest.
Rick N656T
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| Subject: | [ Nelson Goguen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Nelson Goguen <mino@rcn.com>
Lists: Kitfox-List
Subject: Rudder Pedal Reinforcement
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/mino@rcn.com.04.07.2005/index.html
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Nelson Goguen <mino@rcn.com>
Lists: Kitfox-List
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Seat Pan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Well, some seat pans may not need attachments, but my
S-5 does. I have had it fall in several times off the
front mount just sitting in it while working on it. I
think this may be true do to the difference between
models. (or pilot weight?)
Also, unless you have pulled some negative "G's" in
your history, you don't realize how far off the seat
you can ride up in turbulence. With the seat loose, I
bet you and the seat could come up 3" above the mounts
at 1 negative "G". Your body compresses against the
belt and most of us don't keep belts tight enough to
begin with.
I use more than the average number of 50 lb rated ties
to hold it in place and it stays put very well.
I also made foam and fiberglass bumpers under the seat
so even when it slips off, it stays off the controls.
But I like the strap idea as well.
I forgot who did it, but someone suggested placing
hose sections over the seat mounts to give a little
more clearance for the flight controls. Another good
idea.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>
> Just a little thought on these seat pans. First,
> you don't need anything to hold the pans down, your
> rear end and the seat belts will do that........
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
Unless they have changed their process, Skystar was modifing the exhaust Y
pipe (exhaust manifold) to allow the whole exchaust to fit inside the
cowling. It does not take much of a change in length to make a major change
in performance.
Guy, just remember...there is no free lunch... There are some high performance
exchausts on the market for the 502 and the 582. The only problem with them
is they can make the engine very "peaky".. One make in particular creates a
hot spot and rough running from 4800 to 5400 rmp. If you can operate your
engine outside those rpms you can do ok, otherwise there is a big flat spot in
the performance.. We have switched more than a couple of these exhausts back
to stock after the owner got tired of trying to figure out the correct jetting.
Hope this info helps..... Stock exhaust works the best.
regards
Bob R
Quoting Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 06:26 PM 4/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>
> ...
>
> >Seeing as
> >SkyStar has already modified the exhaust to the detriment of HP I doubt
> >you'd want to lose any more horsepower.
>
> How have they modified the exhaust to the detriment of HP. I ask because
> I'm going to modify it more. Maybe I can modify it back! Or maybe I can
> talk the Flightline Paraflight guys into making me one of their whizbang
> exhausts to fit a Kitfox!
>
> >Add about 6 inches to your gear legs..... Change out the gear drive to a
> >3.47:1 set of gears....Buy a Culver 77" x 53" in prop.....Go suprise
> >everyone in your neighborhood as this combo makes exceptionally little
> >noise. The prop will pull an amazing 430-440 lbs. of thrust. It turns at a
> >very slow rate of 1800 rpm at 6250 engine rpm.. It turns a very quiet 1670
> >rpm at 5800 engine rpm.
>
> I really like this idea. Maybe if I used REALLY big tundra tires...
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
Unless they have changed their process, Skystar was modifing the exhaust Y
pipe (exhaust manifold) to allow the whole exchaust to fit inside the
cowling. It does not take much of a change in length to make a major change
in performance.
Guy, just remember...there is no free lunch... There are some high performance
exchausts on the market for the 502 and the 582. The only problem with them
is they can make the engine very "peaky".. One make in particular creates a
hot spot and rough running from 4800 to 5400 rmp. If you can operate your
engine outside those rpms you can do ok, otherwise there is a big flat spot in
the performance.. We have switched more than a couple of these exhausts back
to stock after the owner got tired of trying to figure out the correct jetting.
Hope this info helps..... Stock exhaust works the best.
regards
Bob R
Quoting Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 06:26 PM 4/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>
> ...
>
> >Seeing as
> >SkyStar has already modified the exhaust to the detriment of HP I doubt
> >you'd want to lose any more horsepower.
>
> How have they modified the exhaust to the detriment of HP. I ask because
> I'm going to modify it more. Maybe I can modify it back! Or maybe I can
> talk the Flightline Paraflight guys into making me one of their whizbang
> exhausts to fit a Kitfox!
>
> >Add about 6 inches to your gear legs..... Change out the gear drive to a
> >3.47:1 set of gears....Buy a Culver 77" x 53" in prop.....Go suprise
> >everyone in your neighborhood as this combo makes exceptionally little
> >noise. The prop will pull an amazing 430-440 lbs. of thrust. It turns at a
> >very slow rate of 1800 rpm at 6250 engine rpm.. It turns a very quiet 1670
> >rpm at 5800 engine rpm.
>
> I really like this idea. Maybe if I used REALLY big tundra tires...
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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