---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/09/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:37 AM - Re: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction (John Perry) 2. 06:32 AM - 2 questions for the experts (Herbert) 3. 07:12 AM - EA-81 question (Howard Firm) 4. 08:51 AM - Re: 2 questions for the experts (Bruce Harrington) 5. 09:35 AM - A new Fox (Howard Firm) 6. 10:15 AM - Re: A new Fox (Dee Young) 7. 10:37 AM - Re: A new Fox (Bruce Harrington) 8. 11:10 AM - Re: 2 questions for the experts (Michel Verheughe) 9. 12:22 PM - Re: A new Fox (Don Pearsall) 10. 03:42 PM - Re: EA-81 question (Clem Nichols) 11. 03:50 PM - Re: EA-81 question (Howard Firm) 12. 03:56 PM - Re: Charging circuit (Joel Mapes) 13. 08:14 PM - landing gear fabric reinforcement plate (Joel Mapes) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:39 AM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" As far as i understand the exhaust from skystar is just cut and rewelded in a different configuration than factory to get the right angles to fit in the cowling. The length is the same though from manifold to exhaust can . I measured my new one against the skystar one and the length was the same . So i sent my new un modified exhaust back to lockwood for a credit . My exhaust also is close to the cowling right at the front edge main /rear edge of the front round piece ,1/2 inch have had no problems in 500 plus hours of flight John Perry kitfox2 N718PD DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:57 AM PST US From: "Herbert" Subject: Kitfox-List: 2 questions for the experts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Herbert" I need a solution for you electrical fellers out there. I have a model 4, with a 552 blue head. It's wired so that the Hobbs meter starts running as soon as the master switch is turned on. I want the Hobbs to run only when the engine is running. Which wire do I hook the Hobbs to, so that this is accomplished? Second question.....I have a heater installed and am wondering which hoses to hook into, so that the coolant is circulated from the head side of the system, to achive the best heat from the heater? It would seem that the circulation should be before the thermostat opens and allows the the coolant to go through the radiator. But it all depends on which way the coolant is circulating, so as to get the circulation from the water pump to feed through the heater. Now that I've confused the issue so no one can understand what the dickens I'm talking about............ Herb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:25 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Kitfox-List: EA-81 question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Does anyone know what cylinder is #1 for timing purposes? NSI EA-81 Turbo. Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:26 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 questions for the experts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Herb, Don't hook in before the thermostat. You want the 582 to warm up quick. The coolant flow is from the head outlet to the radiator and then back to the coolant pump. I hooked my heater in where the coolant hose was close to the firewall, for the heater inlet. The heater outlet hooked into the return from radiator hose between the firewall and the filler area. I installed a Ford truck valve (from NAPA) in the heater inlet hose inside the cockpit with a cheap push pull cable attached. This gave me great controll over cockpit heat. One day in hot air with my brother, we had to use the cabin heater to help cool the 582 during climbout. Also had to open cabin doors to keep from roasting us! Cheers, bh ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs > I need a solution for you electrical fellers out there. > snip > Second question.....I have a heater installed and am wondering which hoses > to hook into, so that the coolant is circulated from the head side of the > system, to achive the best heat from the heater? It would seem that the > circulation should be before the thermostat opens and allows the the > coolant to go through the radiator. But it all depends on which way the > coolant is circulating, so as to get the circulation from the water pump > to feed through the heater. > > Now that I've confused the issue so no one can understand what the dickens > I'm talking about............ > > Herb ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:07 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Kitfox-List: A new Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" I was just up north and visited with a guy that will be putting a Lucas 2023 APU turbine engine in his kitfox. He is nearing completion of the model 4-1200 and did a run with the engine and prop on a bench for me this morning. It sounded and looked great! He says that it will put out about 90hp. I have no experience with jet engines and I was surprised at how simple it was. He made his own gearbox and has a IVO prop. He might be changing the prop at a later date. Is there any other kitfox with a turbine installed??? Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:30 AM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A new Fox Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 11:14:48 -0600 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" With all the small turbines out there its time someone took it on. I have been waiting for someone to do this and will be very interested in the out come. Were talking mucho hp and to weight ratio here. Please keep us posted Howard. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Firm To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: A new Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > I was just up north and visited with a guy that will be putting a Lucas 2023 APU turbine engine in his kitfox. He is nearing completion of the model 4-1200 and did a run with the engine and prop on a bench for me this morning. It sounded and looked great! He says that it will put out about 90hp. I have no experience with jet engines and I was surprised at how simple it was. He made his own gearbox and has a IVO prop. He might be changing the prop at a later date. Is there any other kitfox with a turbine installed??? Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:33 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A new Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Also mucho fuel burn rate! bh ----- Original Message ----- > With all the small turbines out there its time someone took it on. I have > been waiting for someone to do this and will be very interested in the out > come. Were talking mucho hp and to weight ratio here. Please keep us > posted Howard. > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY > > Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:42 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 questions for the experts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Herbert wrote: > I have a model 4, with a 552 blue head. It's wired so that the Hobbs meter starts running as soon as the > master switch is turned on. I want the Hobbs to run only when the engine is running. Which wire do I > hook the Hobbs to, so that this is accomplished? I hope someone will answer your question, Herb, because ... I am asking myself the same thing. I have, sort of, been thinking about it. I think I remember my regulator as two DC 12v outputs. Maybe I can connect one to the Hobbs meter, but I am not sure. I have a Jabiru engine but I guess it is the same for all engines, to register the engine running, and only that, you have to pick the feeding power before the regulator ... or, whatever comes out of the regulator that is not connected to the battery. I await impatiently the answer from an expert. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:09 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: A new Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" I have not seen a turbine on a Fox, but I sure have fantasized about it! Take off in 50 feet, land in 20 feet with full power reverse thrust! Bring that one to any spot landing contest. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Howard Firm Subject: Kitfox-List: A new Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" I was just up north and visited with a guy that will be putting a Lucas 2023 APU turbine engine in his kitfox. He is nearing completion of the model 4-1200 and did a run with the engine and prop on a bench for me this morning. It sounded and looked great! He says that it will put out about 90hp. I have no experience with jet engines and I was surprised at how simple it was. He made his own gearbox and has a IVO prop. He might be changing the prop at a later date. Is there any other kitfox with a turbine installed??? Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:43 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" Howard: The number 1 cylinder as you're sitting in the cockpit is the rear cylinder on the left. (When mounted in a car it would be the front cylinder on the right). I hope this helps. Incidentally, there's a Subaru group on Yahoo which can be quite helpful. Clem Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Kitfox-List: EA-81 question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > Does anyone know what cylinder is #1 for timing purposes? NSI EA-81 Turbo. > > Howard Firm > 508 12th St. South > Virginia MN 55792 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:09 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Thanks for the answers! I was away this morning and a friend wanted to know and I didn't have my soob books with me!! Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > Howard: > > The number 1 cylinder as you're sitting in the cockpit is the rear > cylinder > on the left. (When mounted in a car it would be the front cylinder on the > right). I hope this helps. Incidentally, there's a Subaru group on Yahoo > which can be quite helpful. > Clem Nichols > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Firm" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: EA-81 question > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" >> >> Does anyone know what cylinder is #1 for timing purposes? NSI EA-81 >> Turbo. >> >> Howard Firm >> 508 12th St. South >> Virginia MN 55792 >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:11 PM PST US From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Charging circuit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" Lowell, Rex Thanks for your input. My 912 came with a Ducati regulator 343620. There is mention on the Aeroelectric list that the Ducati regulators are prone to fail due to overheating, but I have not heard of such a problem in the Kitfox circles. Anyone with experience in this regard? It looks like I will need some kind of load if I'm to use the ALT switch. Joel Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:34 PM PST US From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Kitfox-List: landing gear fabric reinforcement plate --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" Hello Fox Fans, I've decided to configure my model 5 for landing gear initially and have fabricated the fabric reinforcement plate but need some guidance as to its proper location. The manual shows the shock cord nicopress slot facing aft but is the plate centered on the tube that supports the gear? I will have to cover the cut-outs when on floats, but that doesn't seem like a big deal. Joel Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs