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1. 04:53 AM - Re: Compass Location (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 06:30 AM - Windshields (Herbert)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: Compass Location (Steve Zakreski)
4. 07:10 AM - SV: Compass Location (Michel Verheughe)
5. 07:19 AM - Hysol (Lowell Fitt)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Hysol (Hank Seidel)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: Compass Location (Allan Arthur)
8. 10:19 AM - Re: Compass Location (John Perry)
9. 11:08 AM - Compass (robert.mcclintock)
10. 12:29 PM - Re: Compass Location (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 12:58 PM - Re: Compass (Michel Verheughe)
12. 03:04 PM - Re: Windshields (Jimmie Blackwell)
13. 04:05 PM - Re: Windshields (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Compass Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/2005 11:36:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tinnemaha@hotmail.com writes:
1) - Mount the compass ~2" from my Garmin Panel mounted GPS/Comm
2) - Mount it ~6" from a King KT-76a Transponder AND right next to my
quad gauge & intercom
3) - Cut another new panel & mount it on the far side of the panel
where it will be difficult to read.
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks,
Grant
Grant,
This may turn out to be a big trial and error deal. Your panel might
end up looking like Swiss cheese. I used a standard Whiskey type and tried all
different locations. No where on top of the glare shield worked all that
great especially in the center where it looked the best. I ended up using a
temporary suction cup mount and tried many spots to find the best location.
That turned out to be about 3" above the throttle dead center of the panel.
Was also about 3" or so below the GPS. I did not expect that final location to
be good at all but, it fooled me.
You might consider building a small temp mount for the compass and do a
similar search method. Of course, once you find a spot that works, then
cutting through the panel might give you a big difference. Another option is
to
trade in the panel mount for a standard Whiskey type.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Herbert" <hmdoud@ev1.net>
I understand that several folks have given up on the one piece windshield and have
split the windshield horizontally, at the compound bend with an "H" aluminum
moulding of some sort. The moulding goes horizontally side to side, across
the windshield opening and the Lexan fits into the "H" chanel.
Sounds like it might be a fix to the problem that we all seem to have, with cracking
and crazing. Now where can such a "H" chanel moulding be found?
Don, anxiously awaiting your report on how the Saran Wrap works.
Herb
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Time: 03:58:10 AM PST US
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windshield replacement
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/11/2005 10:40:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hmdoud@ev1.net writes:
I might consider going the next thickness thinner if the crazing continues
to get worse and I have to do it again. I believe that the next thinner
would be 3/32nds. (.093) The stress of the strong bend to the cabin top mighten
be not be as stressfull on the thinner polycarbonate.
Regards ......Herb
I had .093 originally and it crazed. I went to .063 and it still crazed at
the compound bend area. To prevent crazing, you may have to go to Saran Wrap.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Compass Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Does anyone actually use their compass anymore?
SteveZ
Calgary
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Compass Location
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/2005 11:36:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tinnemaha@hotmail.com writes:
1) - Mount the compass ~2" from my Garmin Panel mounted GPS/Comm
2) - Mount it ~6" from a King KT-76a Transponder AND right next to my
quad gauge & intercom
3) - Cut another new panel & mount it on the far side of the panel
where it will be difficult to read.
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks,
Grant
Grant,
This may turn out to be a big trial and error deal. Your panel might
end up looking like Swiss cheese. I used a standard Whiskey type and tried
all
different locations. No where on top of the glare shield worked all that
great especially in the center where it looked the best. I ended up using
a
temporary suction cup mount and tried many spots to find the best location.
That turned out to be about 3" above the throttle dead center of the panel.
Was also about 3" or so below the GPS. I did not expect that final
location to
be good at all but, it fooled me.
You might consider building a small temp mount for the compass and do a
similar search method. Of course, once you find a spot that works, then
cutting through the panel might give you a big difference. Another option
is to
trade in the panel mount for a standard Whiskey type.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Compass Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Steve Zakreski [szakreski@shaw.ca]
> Does anyone actually use their compass anymore?
Compass? Compass, what is that, Steve? :-)
Seriously, especially with my compass up on the top of the windshield, no ... I
don't look at it often. My Garmin GPS in "compass rose mode" is much better.
But electronics can fail and the good old mag compass shouldn't be forgotten.
I try to force myself to check it now and then. But I must admit that I am getting
lazy.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I am helping a guy across the street with a new project and Hysol will be
frequently used for bonding parts. I tried using it the other day and it
has properties that are entirely foreign to me.
For those on the list who have used it:
What is the best way to proportion the two parts?
Will the resin be more managable with warmer summer temperatures?
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Seidel <hank@hankseidel.com>
Hi Lowell,
I have been building my IV for a few years and switched from Scotch
Weld to Hysol a couple of years ago. I posted a comparison that should
be in the archives but here is what I found.
I mix 50-50 by weight using a small digital scale. Per directions on
the cans.
It is stiffer than SW and seems less prone to temperature based
differences in consistency. I use less flox (per Skystar) to get the
same consistency. It cures faster so be careful about mixing more that
can be used in about 1/2 hour or perhaps a little longer. It seems to
cure pretty well overnight even when it is cool in my garage but in the
summer I have to work fast.
Good Luck,
Hank
On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I am helping a guy across the street with a new project and Hysol will
> be
> frequently used for bonding parts. I tried using it the other day and
> it
> has properties that are entirely foreign to me.
>
> For those on the list who have used it:
>
> What is the best way to proportion the two parts?
>
> Will the resin be more managable with warmer summer temperatures?
>
> Lowell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Compass Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Allan Arthur <alnan@earthlink.net>
I found that replacing the two steel instrument panel braces with
aluminum
angle helped a lot. I have a vertical card compass center on the glare
shield
that works good.
Allan Arthur, N40AA
Kitfox Series 5, (912S, Warpdrive 3 blade)
Byron Airport (C83), Hangar C8
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| Subject: | Compass Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
use my compass all the time when flying . Why use the gps and get out of
practice of flying by your sectional all the time .My compass is mounted on
the top of the dash panel and was swung properly after installing all
instruments and gps and handheld in place . the compass reads right on with
gps now and always gets me there.
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "robert.mcclintock" <robert.mcclintock@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Guys,
I'm still lurking out here and thought I would chime in on this thread.
Most high quality aviation compasses are adjustable, or at least mine is. That
is to say you can adjust them for local declination AND disturbance.
Most airports have a compass rose painted somewhere at the facility which is real
handy for this purpose.
If not, it is pretty easy using your dash mounted or handheld GPS or electronic
compass to make those adjustments.
This subject has been around before so check the archives for more on this.
One thing, keying your mic to X-mit normally will "pull" a compass.
My two cents,
R. Scott McClintock, Sr., PLS
P.O. Box 1444
Nome, Alaska 99762
273 Lola Johnson Road
Corpus Christi, Texas 78418
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| Subject: | Re: Compass Location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/13/2005 10:53:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
alnan@earthlink.net writes:
I found that replacing the two steel instrument panel braces with
aluminum
angle helped a lot. I have a vertical card compass center on the glare
shield
that works good.
I think it might have been you that mentioned that before. When I was
looking for the perfect spot to install mine, I did as you suggested by
temporarily removing those two steel rods. It didn't do anything to improve my
compass
error. Was worth a try. I think all these Kitfox have a magnetic signature
of their own. No two equals in the fleet.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"robert.mcclintock" wrote:
> I'm still lurking out here
I knew you were still here, Scotty boy! :-)
> If not, it is pretty easy using your dash mounted or handheld GPS
Er, but a handheld GPS doesn't give you a heading until it moves, does it?
What I used was my handheld marine bearing compass, using the tail of the plane
as a pointer.
> One thing, keying your mic to X-mit normally will "pull" a compass.
Yes, and you should see what keying my ham Morse keyer did at sea: It "pulled"
the GPS, the autopilot ... peeled away the deck paint ... my underwear ...
Strong stuff that is, electro-magnetic waves, my lad! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Tested the Saran wrap today...it caves in at slightly below VNE, 4 mph.
On the serious side I would sure like to see a photo of an installation that
use the split method. Hopefully, there is someone out there that will share
this with us.
JImmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herbert" <hmdoud@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshields
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Herbert" <hmdoud@ev1.net>
>
> I understand that several folks have given up on the one piece windshield
and have split the windshield horizontally, at the compound bend with an "H"
aluminum moulding of some sort. The moulding goes horizontally side to
side, across the windshield opening and the Lexan fits into the "H" chanel.
>
> Sounds like it might be a fix to the problem that we all seem to have,
with cracking and crazing. Now where can such a "H" chanel moulding be
found?
>
> Don, anxiously awaiting your report on how the Saran Wrap works.
>
> Herb
>
> ************************
>
> Time: 03:58:10 AM PST US
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windshield replacement
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/11/2005 10:40:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> hmdoud@ev1.net writes:
>
>
> I might consider going the next thickness thinner if the crazing
continues
> to get worse and I have to do it again. I believe that the next thinner
> would be 3/32nds. (.093) The stress of the strong bend to the cabin top
mighten
>
> be not be as stressfull on the thinner polycarbonate.
>
> Regards ......Herb
>
>
> I had .093 originally and it crazed. I went to .063 and it still crazed
at
> the compound bend area. To prevent crazing, you may have to go to Saran
Wrap.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Tested the Saran wrap today...it caves in at slightly below VNE, 4 mph.
On the serious side I would sure like to see a photo of an installation that
use the split method. Hopefully, there is someone out there that will share
this with us.
JImmie
Jimmie,
If you only have a VNE of 4 MPH, you don't need a windshield. Just use
some screen wire to keep out the bugs. I would also like to see a split
screen method. I've been working on a design/thought for some time but haven't
had the time to put it to practice.
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Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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