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1. 01:37 AM - Realistic Speed (Graeme Toft)
2. 06:34 AM - Re: CHT Probe (Donna and Roger McConnell)
3. 07:15 AM - 582 missing (Floran Higgins)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: 582 missing (John Perry)
5. 07:57 AM - Re: windshields (Lowell Fitt)
6. 08:08 AM - Re: CHT Probe (Lowell Fitt)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: 582 missing (Guy Buchanan)
8. 09:01 AM - Re: CHT Probe (Donna and Roger McConnell)
9. 09:30 AM - Re: 582 missing (John Perry)
10. 09:32 AM - Re: CHT Probe (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 09:42 AM - Re: 582 missing (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
12. 09:56 AM - Re: 582 missing (Steve Cooper)
13. 12:29 PM - Re: CHT Probe (Paul)
14. 01:10 PM - Re: CHT Probe (Michael Gibbs)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: CHT Probe (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
16. 02:59 PM - Leo Rice (Joel Mapes)
17. 03:08 PM - Re: CHT Probe (Steve Cooper)
18. 06:04 PM - Re: 582 missing (David Savener)
19. 06:15 PM - CHT Probe (Donna and Roger McConnell)
20. 06:21 PM - Re: CHT Probe (Steve Cooper)
21. 07:05 PM - Re: Leo Rice (Don Pearsall)
22. 07:09 PM - Re: CHT Probe (jdmcbean)
23. 07:14 PM - Re: 582 missing (Jerry Liles)
24. 07:32 PM - Re: windshields (david yeamans)
25. 07:35 PM - Re: Realistic Speed (Jerry Liles)
26. 07:54 PM - Re: 582 missing (david yeamans)
27. 08:02 PM - Re: Realistic Speed (Graeme Toft)
28. 08:46 PM - Re: Realistic Speed (Steve Cooper)
29. 09:33 PM - [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete! (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi guys, for some time I have read about the speeds that those of you with 582's
are getting from their early models and am wondering what I can do to my model
1 to achieve similar results. I am flat out getting 65 knots ground speed at
5800 rpm and have faired everything but the wheels. I'm not after miracles but
is 75 knots achievable with some further tinkering and if so where do I begin
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Thanks Bob,
What I'll probable whined up doing is not using the CHT part of the Quad
Gage, if I can't get a J type sensor to go around a spark plug. Then
essentially the coolant temp will be my CHT.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
aerocon1@telusplanet.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
Roger,
The 912 series doesn't really have a spot for a coolant sensor.
You are correct that the head temp and coolant are one and the same.
We use a 0-250 degree VDO coolant gauge to go with that sensor. The gauge
we
use is not marked ats coolant..it's a simple 0-250 degree gauge from VDO.
It's really a head temp rather than a coolant temp.. Don't worry, if your
coolant temps go up so will the head temp. That sensor on the heads goes
into
a blind chamber so it only reads the metal temps not the actual coolant.
You are correct that you should be using the rear cylinder on a cowled
tractor
engine for your temp reading...In theory, it should be the hottest and that
is
what you want.
Like you said, maybe one of the other "foxers" have solved this problem.
regards
Bob R
Quoting Donna and Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net>:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Hi Bob,
> Thanks for the info. Your right that is not what I really needed
to
> here. I am using the rear sensor sense my engine will be in a tractor
> configuration. Here is my next question. If this sensor you talk about is
> for the CHT, where and what type of sensor does one use for the coolant
> temp?? Maybe someone who has installed and is using the Quad Gage from
> Westech will chime in. Or is CHT and coolant temp pretty much the same
sense
> the heads are liquid cooled? Do I even need a coolant temp gage? Now I'm
> really confused.
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>
> Hi Roger,
> Now....where do we start?
> The plugs on your 912S are 12mm. So, if there was room to put a probe
under
> the plug then that is the size you would need. Unfortunately, there is
not
> enough room to stick a probe under the plug then bend the cable tang up
> along side the plug. The spark plugs are set quite deep into the cylinder
> head and there is just enough room to put a socket wrench on, let alone a
> CHT lead.
> Rotax supplies a cylinder head sensor with each engine. It is configured
to
> mate up with a VDO gauge and is located on the front cylinder (number two
> (2))of the engine.
>
> You may have to get the manufacturer of the quad gauge to reconfigure his
> gauge to work with the VDO sensor or supply you with a sensor that fits
into
> the same location as the factory supplied sensor.
>
> I'm pretty sure this isn't the info you wanted to hear, but........
>
> If anyone has figured out how to put a cht sensor under a 912 plug
(without
> grinding or machining) please let me know
> I have a 912 head on my desk as I type and I just don't see a way to do
it!
> regards
>
> Bob Robertson
> Light Engine Services Ltd.
> Rotax Service Center
> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
> <rdmac@swbell.net>
> >
> > Can some one educate me on what sort of CHT probe I need for my Rotax
> 912S?
> > The one that was supplied with the Quad Gage was too big for the size
> spark
> > plugs that are on this engine. I'm pretty sure I need a J type, but does
a
> > 14mm sound correct?............help
> >
> > Roger Mac
> >
> > 912S installation in progress
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
A friend bought a model 1 that had been idle for several months.
It has a Rotex 582 engine. It uses premix fuel.
On starting the engine, It is very rough at low RPM.
Smooths out about 3000 RPM.
I am guessing that one of the jets in the idle circut is plugged.
Any suggestions?
What is the idle RPM supposed to be on this engine?
Floran H.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
two (2) thousand is the minumum rpm DO NOT IDLE UNDER THAT SPEED . yes it
seems rough at 2 thousand but that is normal . I doubt the idle circuit is
plugged . If running the b box and 2:58-1 gear than keep it above the 2
thousand to make her more smooth running . and make shure your prop is
balanced and tracking right . Good luck have fun
John Perry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-------Original Message-------
From: Floran Higgins
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 missing
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
A friend bought a model 1 that had been idle for several months.
It has a Rotex 582 engine. It uses premix fuel.
On starting the engine, It is very rough at low RPM.
Smooths out about 3000 RPM.
I am guessing that one of the jets in the idle circut is plugged.
Any suggestions?
What is the idle RPM supposed to be on this engine?
Floran H.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
David, I have been using the Carquest 85056.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshields
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>
> Hello Lowell,
>
> Les Chambers suggested I ask you where I might get an Oil Filter for
> a Rotax 912 ul. NAPA Auto Parts maybe ,
> or O"Reillys. Thanks for any help. David
>
> ( Need Brand and Parts number Probably.)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Roger, I don't understand, The Quad gauge is a perfectly good set-up. I if
you don't have a sender for the cylinder head that will send to the Quad
gauge, just contact Westach - (800) 400-7024 or (707) 938-4968, they will
send you one. They have been servicing the Rotax engines for a long time.
Just tell him what you need and he will send you the right one. I jsut
replaced the oil temp sender on mine.
I'll wager you can get a sender from Westach for less $ than you will spend
for a gauge that will mate to the Rotax supplied sender, unless you have one
lying around from other projects
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Thanks Bob,
> What I'll probable whined up doing is not using the CHT part of the Quad
> Gage, if I can't get a J type sensor to go around a spark plug. Then
> essentially the coolant temp will be my CHT.
> Roger Mac
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> aerocon1@telusplanet.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
>
>
> Roger,
> The 912 series doesn't really have a spot for a coolant sensor.
> You are correct that the head temp and coolant are one and the same.
> We use a 0-250 degree VDO coolant gauge to go with that sensor. The gauge
> we
> use is not marked ats coolant..it's a simple 0-250 degree gauge from VDO.
> It's really a head temp rather than a coolant temp.. Don't worry, if your
> coolant temps go up so will the head temp. That sensor on the heads goes
> into
> a blind chamber so it only reads the metal temps not the actual coolant.
> You are correct that you should be using the rear cylinder on a cowled
> tractor
> engine for your temp reading...In theory, it should be the hottest and
> that
> is
> what you want.
> Like you said, maybe one of the other "foxers" have solved this problem.
>
> regards
>
> Bob R
>
>
> Quoting Donna and Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net>:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>> Thanks for the info. Your right that is not what I really needed
> to
>> here. I am using the rear sensor sense my engine will be in a tractor
>> configuration. Here is my next question. If this sensor you talk about is
>> for the CHT, where and what type of sensor does one use for the coolant
>> temp?? Maybe someone who has installed and is using the Quad Gage from
>> Westech will chime in. Or is CHT and coolant temp pretty much the same
> sense
>> the heads are liquid cooled? Do I even need a coolant temp gage? Now I'm
>> really confused.
>> Roger
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Robertson
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>
>> Hi Roger,
>> Now....where do we start?
>> The plugs on your 912S are 12mm. So, if there was room to put a probe
> under
>> the plug then that is the size you would need. Unfortunately, there is
> not
>> enough room to stick a probe under the plug then bend the cable tang up
>> along side the plug. The spark plugs are set quite deep into the cylinder
>> head and there is just enough room to put a socket wrench on, let alone a
>> CHT lead.
>> Rotax supplies a cylinder head sensor with each engine. It is configured
> to
>> mate up with a VDO gauge and is located on the front cylinder (number
>> two
>> (2))of the engine.
>>
>> You may have to get the manufacturer of the quad gauge to reconfigure his
>> gauge to work with the VDO sensor or supply you with a sensor that fits
> into
>> the same location as the factory supplied sensor.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure this isn't the info you wanted to hear, but........
>>
>> If anyone has figured out how to put a cht sensor under a 912 plug
> (without
>> grinding or machining) please let me know
>> I have a 912 head on my desk as I type and I just don't see a way to do
> it!
>> regards
>>
>> Bob Robertson
>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>> Rotax Service Center
>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>> >
>> > Can some one educate me on what sort of CHT probe I need for my Rotax
>> 912S?
>> > The one that was supplied with the Quad Gage was too big for the size
>> spark
>> > plugs that are on this engine. I'm pretty sure I need a J type, but
>> > does
> a
>> > 14mm sound correct?............help
>> >
>> > Roger Mac
>> >
>> > 912S installation in progress
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:35 AM 4/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:
...
>two (2) thousand is the minumum rpm DO NOT IDLE UNDER THAT SPEED .
...
>John Perry
Does this advice apply to 582's with the RC400 clutch? I was told they can
idle as low as you want, even 1000 rpm.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Thanks Lowell,
I'll give Westach a call.
Roger
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Roger, I don't understand, The Quad gauge is a perfectly good set-up. I if
you don't have a sender for the cylinder head that will send to the Quad
gauge, just contact Westach - (800) 400-7024 or (707) 938-4968, they will
send you one. They have been servicing the Rotax engines for a long time.
Just tell him what you need and he will send you the right one. I jsut
replaced the oil temp sender on mine.
I'll wager you can get a sender from Westach for less $ than you will spend
for a gauge that will mate to the Rotax supplied sender, unless you have one
lying around from other projects
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Thanks Bob,
> What I'll probable whined up doing is not using the CHT part of the Quad
> Gage, if I can't get a J type sensor to go around a spark plug. Then
> essentially the coolant temp will be my CHT.
> Roger Mac
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> aerocon1@telusplanet.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
>
>
> Roger,
> The 912 series doesn't really have a spot for a coolant sensor.
> You are correct that the head temp and coolant are one and the same.
> We use a 0-250 degree VDO coolant gauge to go with that sensor. The gauge
> we
> use is not marked ats coolant..it's a simple 0-250 degree gauge from VDO.
> It's really a head temp rather than a coolant temp.. Don't worry, if your
> coolant temps go up so will the head temp. That sensor on the heads goes
> into
> a blind chamber so it only reads the metal temps not the actual coolant.
> You are correct that you should be using the rear cylinder on a cowled
> tractor
> engine for your temp reading...In theory, it should be the hottest and
> that
> is
> what you want.
> Like you said, maybe one of the other "foxers" have solved this problem.
>
> regards
>
> Bob R
>
>
> Quoting Donna and Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net>:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>> Thanks for the info. Your right that is not what I really needed
> to
>> here. I am using the rear sensor sense my engine will be in a tractor
>> configuration. Here is my next question. If this sensor you talk about is
>> for the CHT, where and what type of sensor does one use for the coolant
>> temp?? Maybe someone who has installed and is using the Quad Gage from
>> Westech will chime in. Or is CHT and coolant temp pretty much the same
> sense
>> the heads are liquid cooled? Do I even need a coolant temp gage? Now I'm
>> really confused.
>> Roger
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Robertson
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>
>> Hi Roger,
>> Now....where do we start?
>> The plugs on your 912S are 12mm. So, if there was room to put a probe
> under
>> the plug then that is the size you would need. Unfortunately, there is
> not
>> enough room to stick a probe under the plug then bend the cable tang up
>> along side the plug. The spark plugs are set quite deep into the cylinder
>> head and there is just enough room to put a socket wrench on, let alone a
>> CHT lead.
>> Rotax supplies a cylinder head sensor with each engine. It is configured
> to
>> mate up with a VDO gauge and is located on the front cylinder (number
>> two
>> (2))of the engine.
>>
>> You may have to get the manufacturer of the quad gauge to reconfigure his
>> gauge to work with the VDO sensor or supply you with a sensor that fits
> into
>> the same location as the factory supplied sensor.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure this isn't the info you wanted to hear, but........
>>
>> If anyone has figured out how to put a cht sensor under a 912 plug
> (without
>> grinding or machining) please let me know
>> I have a 912 head on my desk as I type and I just don't see a way to do
> it!
>> regards
>>
>> Bob Robertson
>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>> Rotax Service Center
>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>> >
>> > Can some one educate me on what sort of CHT probe I need for my Rotax
>> 912S?
>> > The one that was supplied with the Quad Gage was too big for the size
>> spark
>> > plugs that are on this engine. I'm pretty sure I need a J type, but
>> > does
> a
>> > 14mm sound correct?............help
>> >
>> > Roger Mac
>> >
>> > 912S installation in progress
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
according to rotax idle is 2000 rpm . that is what all my books say and that
is what i set mine at . you can do what you want to yours. From what i read
and have seen in these engine the lower idle is harder on the bearings like
rod and crank . these are needle bearings and take all the abuse . The main
crank bearings are roller ball and are pretty tough , they can handle a
lower idle but in my opinion not the needle bearings . All my running of
rotax in snowmobiles for many years . the idle on these 582 and such have
been in the 2000 rpm range .
Again this is only my opinion .
John Perry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-------Original Message-------
From: Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 missing
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:35 AM 4/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:
...
>two (2) thousand is the minumum rpm DO NOT IDLE UNDER THAT SPEED .
...
>John Perry
Does this advice apply to 582's with the RC400 clutch? I was told they can
idle as low as you want, even 1000 rpm.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/17/2005 9:36:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rdmac@swbell.net writes:
Thanks Bob,
What I'll probable whined up doing is not using the CHT part of the Quad
Gage, if I can't get a J type sensor to go around a spark plug. Then
essentially the coolant temp will be my CHT.
Roger Mac
If you decide not to use the CHT portion why not consider using the two CHT
inputs to monitor input/output temps of the radiator. I did and it works
pretty neat. Just clamp the two CHT senders to the alum tubes of the radiator
and insulate well. I'm getting pretty good readings on the EIS with this
setup.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/17/2005 10:17:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
cliffh@outdrs.net writes:
A friend bought a model 1 that had been idle for several months.
It has a Rotex 582 engine. It uses premix fuel.
On starting the engine, It is very rough at low RPM.
Smooths out about 3000 RPM.
I think it depends on what you call rough. Mine is set around 2000 RPM at
idle and tends to run rough up to about 2800 then smooths out. I warm up my
engine at around 2300 to 2400 since it runs smoother there than at 2000. Your
engine might be running normal rough. On the other hand, if you have prior
experience with 582's and you know it's rougher than normal, you might
consider removing the carbs and giving them a good cleaning. You did say the
engine has been sitting and the old gas might be turning to gum.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Gosh Floran...I sure hope he finds it! :) (sorry...couldn't resist)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floran
Higgins
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 missing
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
A friend bought a model 1 that had been idle for several months.
It has a Rotex 582 engine. It uses premix fuel.
On starting the engine, It is very rough at low RPM.
Smooths out about 3000 RPM.
I am guessing that one of the jets in the idle circut is plugged.
Any suggestions?
What is the idle RPM supposed to be on this engine?
Floran H.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
Hey all,
I thought the 91x engine was supposed to have cylinder head temp (CHT) as opposed
to a spark plug temp indicator on the panel. Rotax provided the holes in the
cylinder heads for the sensor. I thought the spark plug temp sensor was not
recommended because it does not reflect an accurate reading. I thought the Rotax
CHT setup was acceptable to use in place of the required coolant temperature
gauge.
Did I forget what was discussed previously? Or Did I forget what the Rotax bulletins
said?
BTW, I think the sensors on the coolant pipe is a good way to go,but its not what
Rotax recommends.
Thanks Paul
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>If this sensor you talk about is for the CHT, where and what type of
>sensor does one use for the coolant temp?
There are two such sensors on the 912. I wired the forward one to
the CHT display and the rear one to the coolant temperature display
of my EIS. Made sense to me at the time... :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/17/2005 3:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pwilson@climber.org writes:
BTW, I think the sensors on the coolant pipe is a good way to go,but its not
what Rotax recommends.
Thanks Paul
Paul,
This is something I tried in order to be able to measure in/out water
temps at the radiator. I still have the normal coolant temp probe installed.
I've always heard it's basically a waste of time to install CHT on a water
cooled 582. I simply used the probes as a temporary setup to get the above
differential readings. However, it worked so well and I believe it gives maybe
more useful information than it did when hooked to the plugs for CHT. I may
keep it this way.
I offer this disclaimer that I did not intend to suggest different
hookup over what's recommended by Rotax. Now, I can't get sued.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi,
Does anyone know how to contact Leo Rice? His email link at sportflight.com
is not working. I would like to converse with him about his trim actuator
reinforcement.
Thanks,
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
If it was my bird and I was risking my butt in it I'd sensor up. That is
to say that regardless of what's provided by Rotax, I would install Quad
CHT, Quad EGT, AND Coolant Temp. I monitor mine closely. CHT under the
plug?...we've been do'in it that way for years. It's accepted method.
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/17/2005 3:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pwilson@climber.org writes:
BTW, I think the sensors on the coolant pipe is a good way to go,but
its not
what Rotax recommends.
Thanks Paul
Paul,
This is something I tried in order to be able to measure in/out
water
temps at the radiator. I still have the normal coolant temp probe
installed.
I've always heard it's basically a waste of time to install CHT on a
water
cooled 582. I simply used the probes as a temporary setup to get the
above
differential readings. However, it worked so well and I believe it
gives maybe
more useful information than it did when hooked to the plugs for CHT.
I may
keep it this way.
I offer this disclaimer that I did not intend to suggest different
hookup over what's recommended by Rotax. Now, I can't get sued.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:58:22 -0500
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I am running the RC400 clutch. I still idle at 2000 rpm but wouldn't have to.
It will idle much slower. That clutch is great. Now that I have one I won't
go back.
My son has a Seawing with a pusher 582 and a clutch.(It needs the clutch for water
taxiing). Last week we removed his gear box and checked the clutch after
100 hours of use. It looks just like it did when we installed it. We couldn't
see any wear on the shoes. NO carbon. Pistons and cylinders looked clean.
He has been running it in south Texas in the salt water and it runs very well.
He mixes oil and gas.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Buchanan<mailto:bnn@nethere.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 missing
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com<mailto:bnn@nethere.com>>
At 09:35 AM 4/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:
...
>two (2) thousand is the minumum rpm DO NOT IDLE UNDER THAT SPEED .
...
>John Perry
Does this advice apply to 582's with the RC400 clutch? I was told they can
idle as low as you want, even 1000 rpm.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Bob,
You are correct. I looked today and the heads have a counter bore that is
just big enough to allow for the O.D. of the plug. There is no room for that
type of sensor. I'm calling Westach tomorrow and see what they recommend for
a CHT probe on a Rotax engine. I do agree with Steve that I want to monitor
the health of my engine as much as I can.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Steve,
There is no way to get a CHT probe under the plug on a 912...There is simply
no room.
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> If it was my bird and I was risking my butt in it I'd sensor up. That is
> to say that regardless of what's provided by Rotax, I would install Quad
> CHT, Quad EGT, AND Coolant Temp. I monitor mine closely. CHT under the
> plug?...we've been do'in it that way for years. It's accepted method.
>
> steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/17/2005 3:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> pwilson@climber.org writes:
>
>
> BTW, I think the sensors on the coolant pipe is a good way to go,but
> its not
> what Rotax recommends.
>
> Thanks Paul
>
>
> Paul,
> This is something I tried in order to be able to measure in/out
> water
> temps at the radiator. I still have the normal coolant temp probe
> installed.
> I've always heard it's basically a waste of time to install CHT on a
> water
> cooled 582. I simply used the probes as a temporary setup to get the
> above
> differential readings. However, it worked so well and I believe it
> gives maybe
> more useful information than it did when hooked to the plugs for CHT.
> I may
> keep it this way.
> I offer this disclaimer that I did not intend to suggest different
> hookup over what's recommended by Rotax. Now, I can't get sued.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
It's very tight on a Jabiru also. We trim a head fin to get them to fit
with a 90 degree bend at the cable.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Robertson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Steve,
There is no way to get a CHT probe under the plug on a 912...There is
simply
no room.
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> If it was my bird and I was risking my butt in it I'd sensor up. That
is
> to say that regardless of what's provided by Rotax, I would install
Quad
> CHT, Quad EGT, AND Coolant Temp. I monitor mine closely. CHT under the
> plug?...we've been do'in it that way for years. It's accepted method.
>
> steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/17/2005 3:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> pwilson@climber.org writes:
>
>
> BTW, I think the sensors on the coolant pipe is a good way to go,but
> its not
> what Rotax recommends.
>
> Thanks Paul
>
>
> Paul,
> This is something I tried in order to be able to measure in/out
> water
> temps at the radiator. I still have the normal coolant temp probe
> installed.
> I've always heard it's basically a waste of time to install CHT on a
> water
> cooled 582. I simply used the probes as a temporary setup to get the
> above
> differential readings. However, it worked so well and I believe it
> gives maybe
> more useful information than it did when hooked to the plugs for CHT.
> I may
> keep it this way.
> I offer this disclaimer that I did not intend to suggest
different
> hookup over what's recommended by Rotax. Now, I can't get sued.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I am sorry to say that Leo Rice Passed away over a year ago. It was a real
sad day around here. Just ask your question to the group here and someone
will be able to help you.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joel Mapes
Subject: Kitfox-List: Leo Rice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi,
Does anyone know how to contact Leo Rice? His email link at sportflight.com
is not working. I would like to converse with him about his trim actuator
reinforcement.
Thanks,
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Roger,
Been following the thread and just thought this could make it a little
easier...
I believe the 1" tip is for the CHT and the 1/2" is for the Oil Temp.
You'll need to replace the VDO sensors that are in the engine.
Westach Temperature Sensor 399S10-1.5L
10x1.5 mm thrd 1" Tip
Westach Temperature Sensor 399S10-1.5S
10x1.5mm thrd 1/2" Tip
Westach Thermocouple 712-2DWK EGT
48" Type K
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donna and Roger
McConnell
Subject: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
<rdmac@swbell.net>
Bob,
You are correct. I looked today and the heads have a counter bore that is
just big enough to allow for the O.D. of the plug. There is no room for that
type of sensor. I'm calling Westach tomorrow and see what they recommend for
a CHT probe on a Rotax engine. I do agree with Steve that I want to monitor
the health of my engine as much as I can.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Steve,
There is no way to get a CHT probe under the plug on a 912...There is simply
no room.
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> If it was my bird and I was risking my butt in it I'd sensor up. That is
> to say that regardless of what's provided by Rotax, I would install Quad
> CHT, Quad EGT, AND Coolant Temp. I monitor mine closely. CHT under the
> plug?...we've been do'in it that way for years. It's accepted method.
>
> steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT Probe
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/17/2005 3:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> pwilson@climber.org writes:
>
>
> BTW, I think the sensors on the coolant pipe is a good way to go,but
> its not
> what Rotax recommends.
>
> Thanks Paul
>
>
> Paul,
> This is something I tried in order to be able to measure in/out
> water
> temps at the radiator. I still have the normal coolant temp probe
> installed.
> I've always heard it's basically a waste of time to install CHT on a
> water
> cooled 582. I simply used the probes as a temporary setup to get the
> above
> differential readings. However, it worked so well and I believe it
> gives maybe
> more useful information than it did when hooked to the plugs for CHT.
> I may
> keep it this way.
> I offer this disclaimer that I did not intend to suggest different
> hookup over what's recommended by Rotax. Now, I can't get sued.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
With a straight gearbox the 582 will idle like a washing machine full of
old transmission parts. It will smooth out above 2500rpms and is nice
and smooth at 3000. Add the clutch and it will idle like a sewing
machine almost as low as you can go. I usually idle the engine at about
2000rpm with the clutch since she seems to never warm up below that and
the plugs load up pretty badly if kept at low idle too long.
Jerry Liles
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>At 09:35 AM 4/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
>..
>
>
>
>>two (2) thousand is the minumum rpm DO NOT IDLE UNDER THAT SPEED .
>>
>>
>
>..
>
>
>
>>John Perry
>>
>>
>
>Does this advice apply to 582's with the RC400 clutch? I was told they can
>idle as low as you want, even 1000 rpm.
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Thanks lowell, david
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshields
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
David, I have been using the Carquest 85056.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshields
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>
> Hello Lowell,
>
> Les Chambers suggested I ask you where I might get an Oil Filter for
> a Rotax 912 ul. NAPA Auto Parts maybe ,
> or O"Reillys. Thanks for any help. David
>
> ( Need Brand and Parts number Probably.)
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| Subject: | Re: Realistic Speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Graeme
I think 65 kts is not too bad for a Model I. It actually isn't bad for
later versions with the 582. What you need to do is confirm the
accuracy of your ASI. Many homebuilts have an ASI that is useful as a
rate indicator but isn't otherwise terribly accurate, being terrifically
optimistic or pessimistic. I usually just ignore reports of airspeed
unless I know the speeds have been properly confirmed. You also need to
confirm the accuracy of your Tach. Many, if not most, Tachs used in
these airplanes are even less accurate, often being off by several
hundred rpm. The Westach on Tootie Mae reads 250 to 300 rpm high when
indicating 5800rpm. I use an optical tach to find prop rpm and have a
chart to convert to engine rpms and use that to determine cruise and max
rpms on the tach. So, as you can see, if your ASI reads low and your
tach reads high you won't see the speeds you have or get all the
performance you can. By the way, the Model I is not particularly
speedy, but it is a blast for short field and low and slow sight seeing
with the doors open. If it hasn't been built too heavy, almost nothing
else can touch it for STOL and slow flight. Finally a different prop
may well improve cruise speed at the expense of STOL performance.
Jerry Liles
Graeme Toft wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Hi guys, for some time I have read about the speeds that those of you with 582's
are getting from their early models and am wondering what I can do to my model
1 to achieve similar results. I am flat out getting 65 knots ground speed
at 5800 rpm and have faired everything but the wheels. I'm not after miracles
but is 75 knots achievable with some further tinkering and if so where do I begin
>
>Graeme
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Floran,
Rotax recomends 2000 to 2200 Rpms on Idle with the 582, at that rpm there
is still a vibration,
I always bought my rpm's up to where there was no vibration which was around 3000
rpm's. I did that
for 240 hours and the 582 still run perfect up to when I upgraded to a 912. There
nothing wrong with
the idle jets I'm sure. When ever there is a vibration, where ever it is, eventually
it will tear itself up.
bring your 582 to a smooth rpm and the engine will be happy ever after. David
----- Original Message -----
From: John Perry
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 missing
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
two (2) thousand is the minumum rpm DO NOT IDLE UNDER THAT SPEED . yes it
seems rough at 2 thousand but that is normal . I doubt the idle circuit is
plugged . If running the b box and 2:58-1 gear than keep it above the 2
thousand to make her more smooth running . and make shure your prop is
balanced and tracking right . Good luck have fun
John Perry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-------Original Message-------
From: Floran Higgins
Date: 04/17/05 08:59:29
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 missing
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
A friend bought a model 1 that had been idle for several months.
It has a Rotex 582 engine. It uses premix fuel.
On starting the engine, It is very rough at low RPM.
Smooths out about 3000 RPM.
I am guessing that one of the jets in the idle circut is plugged.
Any suggestions?
What is the idle RPM supposed to be on this engine?
Floran H.
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| Subject: | Re: Realistic Speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks for the comments Jerry. I suppose what triggered my initial email is
the reports of speed achieved by similar models to my own. I fly with a
group of aircraft and as you have rightly mentioned the low speed
characteristics of the model 1 are great and Im certainly not complianing
about this, but another 5 - 8 knots would allow me to keep up with the
tribe. I have compared speed with a number of other aircraft and my airspeed
indicator is reasonably accurate. The tacho is an area I havent investigated
at length but I believe there is some error there. I may have some issues
with the flapperons hanging a bit low on the trailing edge. This is being
offset by using elevator to hold the nose up. Not a lot of pressure required
but enough between flapperons down and elevators up to give some induced
drag possibly. Any further comments would be appreciated.
Cheers
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Realistic Speed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> Graeme
> I think 65 kts is not too bad for a Model I. It actually isn't bad for
> later versions with the 582. What you need to do is confirm the
> accuracy of your ASI. Many homebuilts have an ASI that is useful as a
> rate indicator but isn't otherwise terribly accurate, being terrifically
> optimistic or pessimistic. I usually just ignore reports of airspeed
> unless I know the speeds have been properly confirmed. You also need to
> confirm the accuracy of your Tach. Many, if not most, Tachs used in
> these airplanes are even less accurate, often being off by several
> hundred rpm. The Westach on Tootie Mae reads 250 to 300 rpm high when
> indicating 5800rpm. I use an optical tach to find prop rpm and have a
> chart to convert to engine rpms and use that to determine cruise and max
> rpms on the tach. So, as you can see, if your ASI reads low and your
> tach reads high you won't see the speeds you have or get all the
> performance you can. By the way, the Model I is not particularly
> speedy, but it is a blast for short field and low and slow sight seeing
> with the doors open. If it hasn't been built too heavy, almost nothing
> else can touch it for STOL and slow flight. Finally a different prop
> may well improve cruise speed at the expense of STOL performance.
>
> Jerry Liles
>
> Graeme Toft wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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>>Hi guys, for some time I have read about the speeds that those of you with
>>582's are getting from their early models and am wondering what I can do
>>to my model 1 to achieve similar results. I am flat out getting 65 knots
>>ground speed at 5800 rpm and have faired everything but the wheels. I'm
>>not after miracles but is 75 knots achievable with some further tinkering
>>and if so where do I begin
>>
>>Graeme
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hi Jerry. I do the same thing with the optical tach. I recently
discovered that my expensive Smart Singles Tachometer was accurate only
to about 1500 rpm. I've been flying my Jabiru powered Avid Mark IV on
only about 60% power. Upon takeoff I would begin unscrewing the vernier
throttle to keep the rpm below 3300 (Max continuous for the Jabiru) At
full throttle the Tach read 3760, when in actuality, it was only about
3150. so, by reducing the throttle on takeoff to what I thought was just
below 3300 was really only about 2500 rpm. ...yet cruise was still 76
mph. (checked by GPS triangle route)
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Liles
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Realistic Speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Graeme
I think 65 kts is not too bad for a Model I. It actually isn't bad for
later versions with the 582. What you need to do is confirm the
accuracy of your ASI. Many homebuilts have an ASI that is useful as a
rate indicator but isn't otherwise terribly accurate, being terrifically
optimistic or pessimistic. I usually just ignore reports of airspeed
unless I know the speeds have been properly confirmed. You also need to
confirm the accuracy of your Tach. Many, if not most, Tachs used in
these airplanes are even less accurate, often being off by several
hundred rpm. The Westach on Tootie Mae reads 250 to 300 rpm high when
indicating 5800rpm. I use an optical tach to find prop rpm and have a
chart to convert to engine rpms and use that to determine cruise and max
rpms on the tach. So, as you can see, if your ASI reads low and your
tach reads high you won't see the speeds you have or get all the
performance you can. By the way, the Model I is not particularly
speedy, but it is a blast for short field and low and slow sight seeing
with the doors open. If it hasn't been built too heavy, almost nothing
else can touch it for STOL and slow flight. Finally a different prop
may well improve cruise speed at the expense of STOL performance.
Jerry Liles
Graeme Toft wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Hi guys, for some time I have read about the speeds that those of you
with 582's are getting from their early models and am wondering what I
can do to my model 1 to achieve similar results. I am flat out getting
65 knots ground speed at 5800 rpm and have faired everything but the
wheels. I'm not after miracles but is 75 knots achievable with some
further tinkering and if so where do I begin
>
>Graeme
>
>
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