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1. 12:40 AM - SV: Stall speed (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:07 AM - Cracked Prop (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 04:05 AM - Re: toe-in (again) (Fox5flyer)
4. 04:46 AM - Cracked (hausding, sid)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: Cracked (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 05:34 AM - Fuel Consumption (Fox5flyer)
7. 05:46 AM - Prop strike......... (hausding, sid)
8. 05:55 AM - Re: Prop strike......... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
9. 06:20 AM - Re: Cracked (RGray67968@aol.com)
10. 06:29 AM - Re: Prop strike......... (flier)
11. 07:05 AM - Subject: Prop strike...... GSC (kitfox@gto.net)
12. 07:06 AM - OIL COOLER FAILURE (Barry)
13. 07:08 AM - Toe-in (kitfox@gto.net)
14. 07:13 AM - Re: Cracked (Lowell Fitt)
15. 07:39 AM - Re: Stall speed. WAS: Droop tips (jareds)
16. 07:57 AM - toe out (Alan Daniels)
17. 08:07 AM - Re: Cracked (customtrans@qwest.net)
18. 08:08 AM - Re: Cracked (customtrans@qwest.net)
19. 08:42 AM - Re: Cracked Prop (Bruce Harrington)
20. 11:37 AM - Thrust Line (Norm Beauchamp)
21. 12:03 PM - GSC propeller (Chenoweth)
22. 12:44 PM - Re: Cracked (AlbertaIV@AOL.COM)
23. 12:46 PM - Re: Cracked (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
24. 01:31 PM - Re: Cracked (customtrans@qwest.net)
25. 02:32 PM - Re: toe-in (again) (Michel Verheughe)
26. 02:34 PM - Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE (Michel Verheughe)
27. 02:39 PM - Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE (John King)
28. 03:07 PM - Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE (Donna and Roger McConnell)
29. 04:33 PM - Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE (Giovanni Day)
30. 06:50 PM - Re: Cracked (ron schick)
31. 07:47 PM - Re: toe out (Randy Daughenbaugh)
32. 09:40 PM - Re: toe out (Alan Daniels)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kitfox@gto.net
> I could be wrong but 40 mph seems too high.
Well, Kirby, I bought my model 3 (with a 582, at the time) second-hand, two years
ago. The builder, not a so-and-so "ultralight" pilot like me, but a full licensed
PPL pilot, who built the plane under the strict Norwegian experimental
rule, did all kind of tests on the first flights, and corrected the POH, entering
40 MPH as the Vso speed.
Like you, I think it is high. But ... the more I learn, the less I know. (Must
be getting old :-(
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
I mentioned the other day where I had hit a runway light with my Warp some
time back. I sent it back to Warp Drive and they repaired the one splintered
tip and shortened all three blades by 1". Well, yesterday I was doing an
inspection and just happened to notice a hairline crack at the tip of one blade.
It runs from the leading edge (1/4" in) to the trailing edge about 1/4"
inside from the tip. I can flex it with my fingers and see it open up more.
I know the answer is to send it back to warp for another repair but was
wondering if this is a positive safety issue at this point.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: toe-in (again) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Greg, at the risk of sounding argumentative, what you stated below is the
opposite of what I've learned about tail draggers. For example picture the
aircraft in a wheel-landing landing mode just prior to the tail down
transition (worst part). [With toe in] if the aircraft starts to swerve
left, even a tiny bit, the outside (right) tire that is toed in will want to
exacerbate the swerve by turning the aircraft into it. The more the toe in
the stronger the tendency to turn with the swerve. Since the inside wing is
lifting, the inside tire is basically along for the ride. If both tires are
toed in the same amount, the airplane is usually a bit squirrely. And worse
yet, if only one wheel is toed in the airplane is very tricky because it'll
only be a problem when the swerve is in one direction.
By using either neutral (preferred)or slightly toe out this problem is
minimized/eliminated. When the swerve starts the outside tire will resist
the swerving tendency. Another benefit to neutral toe would be minimal tire
wear.
In my opinion, the worst case is when one is neutral and the other toed in.
Very unpredictable.
Question: Is it best to measure/set toe with tail up or tail down?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "greg edson" <gedsons@yahoo.com>
> hi, i would try accurately setting toe-in before going to toe-out. from
personal r/c experience, and much research on the web and elsewhere:
aircraft require toe-in to be easily controllable during taxi, takeoff roll,
and landing roll. though i have no kitfox experience(yet), i would expect
kitfoxes to react the same as other similar aircraft. here is a link to one
of many articles on this subject:
http://www.warbuddies.homestead.com/files/Setting-Toe.htm
>
>
> Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> I slid the bar through the axle in order to Cold Bend mine 1.5 degrees
> Toe Out. Worked VERY well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> Marco
>
> I straightened my gear very simularly to Alan. But I used a 3 foot pipe
>
> wrench with a 2 inch by 8 foot cheater over the handle. I padded the
> jaws
> of the wrench with hardwood. I did NOT go onto the axle. The wheels
> and
> tires stayed on the plane. Wrench went on the inside of the grear on
> the
> axle tube.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Well yes, it is Don.
There seems to be a pattern here of "hit and fly"..........perhaps
prescription glasses are in order. And establishing a slush fund for monies
to replace all those runway lights you seem to be liberating from duty!
Actually, I didn't understand the question..............snip - "is a
positive safety issue at this point".
Just having some fun at your expense, couldn't help myself. But really,
what do you mean by the above?
Sid
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I mentioned the other day where I had hit a runway light with my Warp some
time back. I sent it back to Warp Drive and they repaired the one splintered
tip and shortened all three blades by 1". Well, yesterday I was doing an
inspection and just happened to notice a hairline crack at the tip of one
blade.
It runs from the leading edge (1/4" in) to the trailing edge about 1/4"
inside from the tip. I can flex it with my fingers and see it open up more.
I know the answer is to send it back to warp for another repair but was
wondering if this is a positive safety issue at this point.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/2005 7:48:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sidh@charter.net writes:
positive safety issue at this point".
Just having some fun at your expense, couldn't help myself. But really,
what do you mean by the above?
Sid
BTW, hitting the light wasn't my fault. Went to a fly-in where some dummy
was directing aircraft off the runway into a large field. He directed me to
turn right where a runway light was located. It was on my right/blind side.
I guess what I was getting at is, can/should I fly the plane. Am
supposed to fly to an American Cancer Society fly-in next weekend (about 30 miles).
I know I'm grounded but thought I would ask the question just in case.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Fuel Consumption |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
This is good information Alan, and applies to pretty much any engine if
certain numbers are known. About the only thing I really understand about
all this is that "You gotta feed the ponies".
Being severely challenged in math, what formulas are you using to get this
information? For example, if I know the fuel burn rate, what formula do I
use for hp? Also, is the bsfc (base specific fuel consumption?) the same
for both air cooled and liquid cooled engines? What is the bsfc for 2
strokes? Somewhere I read that .48 was for air cooled and .45 for liquid
cooled, but haven't heard anything for 2 strokes. If these are ballpark
numbers I don't understand why there is a difference.
Lay 'em all out for me so I can file it away for future use or maybe a web
source.
Tnx
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> I did some checking and found I was only partially correct in the
> numbers I gave you. Rotax says that the 912s has a specific fuel
> consumption of .47 lb/hph , but this in only at max. continuous power
> which they say is 6.6 gal. per hour. That works out to 84 HP. But they
> also say that to get 75 HP it takes 4.9 GPH and that works out to only
> .392 lb/hph. To get 100 HP it takes 7.1 GPH or .426 lb/hph. So what this
> means is that you pay 1.7 GPH to go from 75 to 84 HP. This is of course
> needed in some climb conditions but it eats a lot of gas in cruise.
> These numbers are the best Rotax could get with a perfect engine so we
> are not getting better. It looks like for mid power setting you should
> use .4 lb/hph for figuring power until you get over 75 or 4.9 GPH and
> then I don't have any idea how the curve gets to 6.6 GPH. I would like
> to see a chart of RPM and MP combinations required to get different HP.
> I guess this is a long winded way of saying that if you are not using
> about 5 GPH you are not using 75 HP. Real world flying I use about 4.5
> GPH just having fun flying local, but a trip I took that was just about
> 2000 miles where I was trying to make time and bucking headwinds and bad
> weather and going over the rockies. I divided my fuel by the hobbs and
> came up with 5.7 GPH. If your are planing a long trip you might keep
> that in mind in flight planning until you find what you are actually
> burning so you don't come up short.
>
> Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop strike......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
How long does it take to change the prop out. I know we usually don't have
them laying around the shop, but some one around your airport must have
something you can bolt on and get 90% efficiency to get back in the air
temporarily while awaiting the perfect prop replacement..........
Sid
put the call out................I would have sent you mine if you had said
something sooner. 68", 3-blade, GSC with leading edge
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positive safety issue at this point".
Just having some fun at your expense, couldn't help myself. But really,
what do you mean by the above?
Sid
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BTW, hitting the light wasn't my fault. Went to a fly-in where some dummy
was directing aircraft off the runway into a large field. He directed me
to
turn right where a runway light was located. It was on my right/blind side
I guess what I was getting at is, can/should I fly the plane. Am
supposed to fly to an American Cancer Society fly-in next weekend (about 30
miles).
I know I'm grounded but thought I would ask the question just in case.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Prop strike......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/2005 8:47:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sidh@charter.net writes:
How long does it take to change the prop out. I know we usually don't have
them laying around the shop, but some one around your airport must have
something you can bolt on and get 90% efficiency to get back in the air
temporaril
Only takes an hour to change out the prop. I do have a three blade GSC
(original equipment) hanging on the wall. However, it once slipped a blade due
to possible over torqueing of the hub. Don't know if I would trust it more
than the cracked Warp. Guess I'll just ground myself and go in the Rich Man's
Helicopter.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Don't blame hitting the runway light on someone else....it's YOUR
fault......YOU are in charge of flying YOUR plane......period.
I can't believe you'd even consider flying your ultralight with a cracked
prop......do yourself (and your family) a favor......take the prop off NOW and
replace the blade(s).
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - former Kitfox, RV6 Flying, F1 Rocket
under construction.
BTW, hitting the light wasn't my fault. Went to a fly-in where some dummy
was directing aircraft off the runway into a large field. He directed me to
turn right where a runway light was located. It was on my right/blind side.
I guess what I was getting at is, can/should I fly the plane. Am
supposed to fly to an American Cancer Society fly-in next weekend (about 30
miles).
I know I'm grounded but thought I would ask the question just in case.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Prop strike......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Hey, don't fly it Don. You might have other stress
fractures you haven't found yet.
I'm not sure who all may lurk on the Matronics lists -
- like potentially our nice friends over at the FAA.
Prop change is a major and requires flight test and
documentation. If I were going to slip a replacement
on I'd mums the word...
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop strike.........
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 5/6/2005 8:47:24 AM Eastern
Standard Time,
>sidh@charter.net writes:
>
>
>How long does it take to change the prop out. I
know we usually don't have
>them laying around the shop, but some one around
your airport must have
>something you can bolt on and get 90% efficiency to
get back in the air
>temporaril
>
>
>Only takes an hour to change out the prop. I do
have a three blade GSC
>(original equipment) hanging on the wall. However,
it once slipped a blade due
>to possible over torqueing of the hub. Don't know
if I would trust it more
>than the cracked Warp. Guess I'll just ground
myself and go in the Rich Man's
>Helicopter.
>
>Do Not Archive
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop strike...... GSC |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Sid, What do you want for the GSC prop? is it a narrow tip ?
I would like an extra but would certainly let Don have it first to keep
him going.
I run a GSC now on 582 and it has Stellar performance it seems.
Kirby
Sid
> put the call out................I would have sent you mine if you had
said
> something sooner. 68", 3-blade, GSC with leading edge
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| Subject: | OIL COOLER FAILURE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
_____
Group
A friend recently had an oil cooler failure ( dead stick fun ) and was told
that it
was caused by vibration and should have provided shock/vibration protection.
Any Recommendations?
Barry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Paul,
Check this out near bottom
http://www.stockcarproducts.com/long11.htm
You can make your self though easy. Tire scriber and toe in Bar.
And yes the Larger the tire the more variance you can have. But even
on a truck front end 1/4 " is the average.
Small tire on Kitfox ( i run 16.5 x 8 x 8) 1/8 " is all you should
have toe out Max. Zero is best. I not sure if you would notice 1/8 or
1/4 . On skis you prolly would moreso. with Runner s on bottoms.
Kirby
> Hi Kirby.
> In your experience do you make a difference between a large diameter
tire vs an small one? Say you set the toe on a Mini with a 20" dia tire
at 1/8", then the next truck had 39" tire do you still use 1/8"?
> Then of course the angle would be much different between the two.
>
> BTW, I like your paint and scratch method. Simple and does not
require a tool.
> Thanks, Paul
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Don, I just might just be a little more adventuresome. You say 1/4 inch in
from the tip? If so an out of balaance situation might occur if you slung
the piece off. Do yo think you can glove up and put the respirator on long
enough to force some of that West Systems Hyper Arergenic stuff into the
crack?
Warp recommends that dings be repaired with epoxy, and I have done it from
time to time. but, without a doubt, if the crack was further down the
blade, I wouldn't fly.
To the RV guy building the cool rocket, I wonder your Kitfox experience
calling Don's Model IV an Ultralight.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <RGray67968@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cracked
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
>
> Don't blame hitting the runway light on someone else....it's YOUR
> fault......YOU are in charge of flying YOUR plane......period.
>
> I can't believe you'd even consider flying your ultralight with a cracked
> prop......do yourself (and your family) a favor......take the prop off NOW
> and
> replace the blade(s).
>
> Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - former Kitfox, RV6 Flying, F1
> Rocket
> under construction.
> BTW, hitting the light wasn't my fault. Went to a fly-in where some
> dummy
> was directing aircraft off the runway into a large field. He directed me
> to
> turn right where a runway light was located. It was on my right/blind
> side.
> I guess what I was getting at is, can/should I fly the plane. Am
> supposed to fly to an American Cancer Society fly-in next weekend (about
> 30
> miles).
> I know I'm grounded but thought I would ask the question just in case.
>
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed. WAS: Droop tips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I thought 42 indicated was wayyy to high too. I had to adjust all the
inherent numbers in the POH.
Typically i'll lift off with the GPS at about 35 but keep in mind that
is ground speed on a typical windy SD day.
630 is my empty weight.
Those numbers have not changed for me in a couple years. But my
airspeed indicators have. I've had to put 3 of those babies in and they
still read the same.
kitfox@gto.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
>40 mph for a kitfox stall ?
>what do you lift off at on your gps?
>How long is your take off roll and what is your weight ?
>
>I could be wrong but 40 mph seems too high.
>
>Kirby
>
>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Stall speed. WAS: Droop tips
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>I've got droops on mine and work nice for my harley flames but other
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>than that my stall is 42 indicated with a pretty close match to that
>>
>>
>on
>
>
>>both GPS's. It's a model IV 1050 with a 582 and not especially
>>
>>
>heavy.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
With just a little imagination and a laser pointer on a level you can
square up the plane and project onto a wall the angle of the
wheels/tires. The farther way from a wall the better. It will show you
which tire is pointed where simple and fast. Then use that math thing
and figure your degree. On the spring gear Skystar has shims to fix it.
Alan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I don't feel that it's your fault for hitting the light, after all you put
trust in someone to direct you, and it was in your blind spot. But, if you
fly with a damaged prop, everything turns to YOU. So don't do it, if its a
prop you can cut the end off on, I would do that until you can get a new
prop. If you can't cut the prop than you are grounded.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cracked
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/2005 7:48:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sidh@charter.net writes:
positive safety issue at this point".
Just having some fun at your expense, couldn't help myself. But really,
what do you mean by the above?
Sid
BTW, hitting the light wasn't my fault. Went to a fly-in where some dummy
was directing aircraft off the runway into a large field. He directed me
to
turn right where a runway light was located. It was on my right/blind
side.
I guess what I was getting at is, can/should I fly the plane. Am
supposed to fly to an American Cancer Society fly-in next weekend (about 30
miles).
I know I'm grounded but thought I would ask the question just in case.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I would say, no need to ask, send it back, better yet, just spring for a new
blade.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of hausding,
sid
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cracked
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Well yes, it is Don.
There seems to be a pattern here of "hit and fly"..........perhaps
prescription glasses are in order. And establishing a slush fund for monies
to replace all those runway lights you seem to be liberating from duty!
Actually, I didn't understand the question..............snip - "is a
positive safety issue at this point".
Just having some fun at your expense, couldn't help myself. But really,
what do you mean by the above?
Sid
-----------------------
I mentioned the other day where I had hit a runway light with my Warp some
time back. I sent it back to Warp Drive and they repaired the one splintered
tip and shortened all three blades by 1". Well, yesterday I was doing an
inspection and just happened to notice a hairline crack at the tip of one
blade.
It runs from the leading edge (1/4" in) to the trailing edge about 1/4"
inside from the tip. I can flex it with my fingers and see it open up more.
I know the answer is to send it back to warp for another repair but was
wondering if this is a positive safety issue at this point.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked Prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Don,
Yes!
If that tip comes off, you will have an exciting time.
bh
> I mentioned the other day where I had hit a runway light with my Warp
> some
> time back. I sent it back to Warp Drive and they repaired the one
> splintered
> tip and shortened all three blades by 1". Well, yesterday I was doing an
> inspection and just happened to notice a hairline crack at the tip of one
> blade.
> It runs from the leading edge (1/4" in) to the trailing edge about 1/4"
> inside from the tip. I can flex it with my fingers and see it open up
> more.
> I know the answer is to send it back to warp for another repair but
> was
> wondering if this is a positive safety issue at this point.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
The information I have saved has the firewall center line thrust line
between 15.2and 17.5 inches above the bottom of the firewall. If this
can be carried through to the prop hub, would this idealy be a stright
line with the aircraft setting stright and level? By the way the
factory spec for the 0-200 is 17.8. TIA Norm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
I have a 68" three blade, ground adjustable GSC prop with new blades and recently
inspected (by GSC) and "certified" hub for sale. It is for a Rotax two-stroke
(582). Also for sale is the large aluminum spinner that SkyStar sells for
this prop.
Please contact me (email or phone) if you're interested.
Bill
(IV-1200 with new IVO medium ground adjustable now installed.)
207-437-2395
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/2005 9:22:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
RGray67968@aol.com writes:
Don't blame hitting the runway light on someone else....it's YOUR
fault......YOU are in charge of flying YOUR plane......period.
I can't believe you'd even consider flying your ultralight with a cracked
prop......do yourself (and your family) a favor......take the prop off NOW
and
replace the blade(s).
You're rather tough on me aren't you? What's an ultralight? Besides,
wasn't my fault...So, there....
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/2005 10:14:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lcfitt@sbcglobal.net writes:
Don, I just might just be a little more adventuresome. You say 1/4 inch in
from the tip? If so an out of balaance situation might occur if you slung
the piece off. Do yo think you can glove up and put the respirator on long
enough to force some of that West Systems Hyper Arergenic stuff into the
crack?
Warp recommends that dings be repaired with epoxy, and I have done it from
time to time. but, without a doubt, if the crack was further down the
blade, I wouldn't fly.
Lowell,
I'm not going to fly it...........I've sent an email to Warp to see what
they suggest. I thought of the injected epoxy but won't do anything until
Warp comes back. Will most likely send the blades to them. They fixed it
last but didn't hold.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Don,
It is rather hard to see on that right side, I almost ran over a taxiway
light myself once. I keep getting coments from people that my IV is an
autralight. I have to just keep correcting them.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cracked
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/2005 9:22:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
RGray67968@aol.com writes:
Don't blame hitting the runway light on someone else....it's YOUR
fault......YOU are in charge of flying YOUR plane......period.
I can't believe you'd even consider flying your ultralight with a cracked
prop......do yourself (and your family) a favor......take the prop off NOW
and
replace the blade(s).
You're rather tough on me aren't you? What's an ultralight? Besides,
wasn't my fault...So, there....
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: toe-in (again) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Fox5flyer wrote:
> Question: Is it best to measure/set toe with tail up or tail down?
Aha! Interesting question, Deke!
Another thing that comes to my mind: When we spoke about toe-in vs. toe-out a
year ago, I think I remembered that we should have a slight toe-in when the
airplane is empty, because, with the pilot, eventual passenger and fuel, the
gears will be more apart and the toe-in will be nearly nil. What I am sure I
remember is that I measured something like 1.5 degrees toe-in on my model 3 and
I thought: Just as it should be, according to the list! And it was measured
with te tail down, the easierst way it you are to mark the tailwheel position
on the floor to measure the angle.
So, is the toe-in vs. toe-out to be measured tail up, tail down, empty or MTOW?
Hum! Interesting! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Barry wrote:
> A friend recently had an oil cooler failure ( dead stick fun ) and was told
> that it
> was caused by vibration and should have provided shock/vibration protection.
> Any Recommendations?
Which engine are you talking about, Barry? I have now 25 hours on my new Jabiru
2200 and when I installed the oil cooler, I was told I had to mount it quite
loose because, indeed, vibrations may cause a rupture. What I did is to mount
the lower part with the provided bolts and rubber shock absorbers, then hold
the upper part with springs and locking wire. So far, it works well. I'd hate
to see my pressure drop from a sudden leak, though. Dead-stick is certainly no
fun. If it should happen, I think I'll try to glide to the closest useable
ground, then start again the engine for a controlled landing.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Barry,
Earl's which makes a lot of things for high performance race cars has a
mount for their oil coolers. This worked great on both my Model
IV-1200/912UL and Series 6/912S engines. It has vibration protection.
You have to build an attach bracket to mount it on a 912. I have
pictures of it if you like.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Barry wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
> _____
>
>Group
>
>A friend recently had an oil cooler failure ( dead stick fun ) and was told
>that it
>was caused by vibration and should have provided shock/vibration protection.
>Any Recommendations?
>
>
>Barry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OIL COOLER FAILURE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
John,
I would be interested in those pictures as well. I think that is the
same one I'm getting ready to purchase. Thanks
Roger Mac
Engine installed, waiting on oil cooler.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OIL COOLER FAILURE
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Barry,
Earl's which makes a lot of things for high performance race cars has a
mount for their oil coolers. This worked great on both my Model
IV-1200/912UL and Series 6/912S engines. It has vibration protection.
You have to build an attach bracket to mount it on a 912. I have
pictures of it if you like.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Barry wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
> _____
>
>Group
>
>A friend recently had an oil cooler failure ( dead stick fun ) and was
told
>that it
>was caused by vibration and should have provided shock/vibration
protection.
>Any Recommendations?
>
>
>Barry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OIL COOLER FAILURE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
I would like to see a photo also. Thanks
Giovanni
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OIL COOLER FAILURE
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Barry,
Earl's which makes a lot of things for high performance race cars has a
mount for their oil coolers. This worked great on both my Model
IV-1200/912UL and Series 6/912S engines. It has vibration protection.
You have to build an attach bracket to mount it on a 912. I have
pictures of it if you like.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Barry wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
> _____
>
>Group
>
>A friend recently had an oil cooler failure ( dead stick fun ) and was
told
>that it
>was caused by vibration and should have provided shock/vibration
protection.
>Any Recommendations?
>
>
>Barry
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Don as warp advertises you can repair small damages until you get a new
blade. I would v it out to get to the bottom of it then call a freind to
epoxy it back. Idle to the flyin while the new blade is on order. Of course
I've been told about my double D's. All right everyone pile on me but that's
my story and... Ron NB Or
Do not archive
>From: AlbertaIV@AOL.COM
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cracked Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:42:56 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 5/6/2005 9:22:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>RGray67968@aol.com writes:
>
>
>Don't blame hitting the runway light on someone else....it's YOUR
>fault......YOU are in charge of flying YOUR plane......period.
>
>I can't believe you'd even consider flying your ultralight with a cracked
>prop......do yourself (and your family) a favor......take the prop off NOW
>and
>replace the blade(s).
>
>
>You're rather tough on me aren't you? What's an ultralight? Besides,
>wasn't my fault...So, there....
>Do Not Archive
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
That is about what I did, but I happened on something that makes it even
easier. I had a laser level with a magnetic base. Just stick it to the
disc brake rotor and mark the wall front and back.
I was really worried about toe in at first (Grove spring gear) but then put
the engine and wings on and everything checked near perfect alignment.
And I wasted a lot of good worrying time.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Daniels
Subject: Kitfox-List: toe out
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
With just a little imagination and a laser pointer on a level you can
square up the plane and project onto a wall the angle of the
wheels/tires. The farther way from a wall the better. It will show you
which tire is pointed where simple and fast. Then use that math thing
and figure your degree. On the spring gear Skystar has shims to fix it.
Alan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Some of these new tools really make it nice. I used a laser that
projects forward and straight to each side at the same time. I put it
under the gear and had the straight forward/up line on a center mark on
the gear and the side line on the front of each brake rotor. I then used
a laser across the tire and projected it on the wall. I then could
measure not only total in/out but which wheel is pointer in or out. Like
you I come out dead on with the spring gear when the plane is level, but
toe in when the tail is down. My plane handles great with the tail up,
but it is twitchy when the tail comes down. I need to work that little
problem out before I teach my wife to fly a tailwheel plane. She has
over 200 hours PIC in the Vixen so it should be easy when the plane
behaves correctly. I have flown 5 different spring gear tail wheel
Kitfox's and know that they should have good manners.
Alan
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>That is about what I did, but I happened on something that makes it even
>easier. I had a laser level with a magnetic base. Just stick it to the
>disc brake rotor and mark the wall front and back.
>
>I was really worried about toe in at first (Grove spring gear) but then put
>the engine and wings on and everything checked near perfect alignment.
>And I wasted a lot of good worrying time.
>
>Randy
>
>.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Daniels
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: toe out
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>With just a little imagination and a laser pointer on a level you can
>square up the plane and project onto a wall the angle of the
>wheels/tires. The farther way from a wall the better. It will show you
>which tire is pointed where simple and fast. Then use that math thing
>and figure your degree. On the spring gear Skystar has shims to fix it.
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>
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