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1. 12:31 AM - Re: SV: exhaust fumes (John Anderson)
2. 01:07 AM - Re: Unsubscribe (Jeff)
3. 02:41 AM - [off-topic] International etiquette (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:52 AM - OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (Barry)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (Dee Young)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv with (kitfoxjunky)
7. 06:32 AM - SV: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (Michel Verheughe)
8. 06:34 AM - SV: Re: Unsubscribe (Michel Verheughe)
9. 07:00 AM - Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE (Floran Higgins)
10. 08:45 AM - Re: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv with Rotax 912S (Paul Seehafer)
11. 09:27 AM - Re: Mosler engine & Avid first flight video on Ebay, 4549090719 (Paul Seehafer)
12. 09:51 AM - Static Rpm for 912ul and IVO CAP (Paul Seehafer)
13. 10:38 AM - Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE (flier)
14. 11:00 AM - Re: Mosler engine (Michael Gibbs)
15. 11:03 AM - Re: Aircraft Survival Gear (Paul Wilson)
16. 11:03 AM - Re: 912/4 oil cooler (Paul Wilson)
17. 11:05 AM - Re: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv (Michael Gibbs)
18. 12:23 PM - Re: Static Rpm for 912ul and IVO CAP (Harris, Robert)
19. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: 912/4 oil cooler (Alan Daniels)
20. 01:45 PM - Re: A CG question (Michel Verheughe)
21. 03:22 PM - Re: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (John Anderson)
22. 05:39 PM - Re: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (Donna and Roger McConnell)
23. 05:59 PM - REPLY// Roger Mac: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (Barry)
24. 06:54 PM - Re: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (John Anderson)
25. 07:12 PM - Re: Aircraft Survival Gear (Jim Crowder)
26. 09:34 PM - Re: Aircraft Survival Gear (Alan Daniels)
27. 11:38 PM - SV: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers (Michel Verheughe)
28. 11:54 PM - Re: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv with Rotax 912S (Harry Tucker)
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust fumes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
If you have a big hot thing up front huffing and puffing several thousand
times a minute it's impossible not to get a bit a emission escape from time
to time. Keeping the cowl pressure from getting too high with good
exhausting of hot air and an equal or better air pressure in the cabin is
the thing. Stops cabin injestion in case of gas an unexpected exhaust leak
too. ~j~
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: exhaust fumes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I agree. You don't need an exhaust leak to have
cockpit fumes. Gases from the engine breather and the
smell of all those hot engine parts is enough.
I found that if you pay close attention to the cowl
seal, you can keep the air clean in the cockpit. Mine
smelled at first and it cleaned up quite nicely just
closing a few small gaps.
Kurt S. S-5
--- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/10/2005 5:12:12 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> jareds@verizon.net writes:
>
>
> But again I ask the list. What are we doing wrong
> that we can't cure
> the inherant problem of the fumes excaping in the
> first place?
>
>
> Jared,
> At this point, I'm not sure this is an inherent
> problem. It has been
> discussed every now and then but not enough to make
> it a Kitfox wide problem.
> Like I said, I've had a couple different
> modifications to the cowl and
> radiator but I've never had any exhaust fumes in
> the cockpit, that I could detect
> anyway
>
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Guys (and gals)
After about 4 years I've just sold G-BUZA my Kitfox model 3 (which has now
moved from south eastern England to its new home in the west of Ireland),
and I am now flying a SkyRanger which I recently finished building.
I have enjoyed reading this list almost daily, and would like to thank
everyone who offered helpful suggestions when I posted an occasional
problem.
If anyone in the UK is interested I have a spare 3 blade GSC prop and pair
of droop wing tips available. Please contact me off list if you are
interested.
Regards and safe flying to you all.
Jeff
Please unsubscribe.
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | [off-topic] International etiquette |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kitfox@gto.net
> Enough said ! But I joined this list to share Kitfox info
Well said, Kirby.
The day people understand that say, a Luxemburg citizen feels the same for his
flag as you do for yours, is the day peace will come on earth.
Love and peace, brother!
Michel
do not archive, hippie stuff! :-)
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| Subject: | OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Hi Group
The responses regarding Oil Cooler mounting concerns has reduced my degree
of confidence for long term success.
While looking for shock mounts for the cooler, I came across "COOL COLLARS"
-
Heat sinks for oil filters. The claim is for a 12 % temperature drop
which should
bring it below the 250 deg upper end of the operation range.
Any Comments
Barry
Rotax 912UL - Model IV - 1200 --- Amphib Floats
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| Subject: | Re: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:25:48 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I tried one of these units and was not happy with the outcome. It wouldn't maintain
the temps. as needed. I purchased a used motorcycle oil cooler ($15.) off
Ebay. I was careful paying close attention to size and thickness. I then purchased
the hoses and base for the filter. This unit has worked out very well and
cost less than $75.00 to build.
Dee Young
N345DY
Model II
Do Not Archive
While looking for shock mounts for the cooler, I came across "COOL COLLARS"
-
Heat sinks for oil filters. The claim is for a 12 % temperature drop
which should
bring it below the 250 deg upper end of the operation range.
Any Comments
Barry
Rotax 912UL - Model IV - 1200 --- Amphib Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv with |
Rotax 912S
08:43:02 AM,
Serialize complete at 05/12/2005 08:43:02 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Hi Harry
Strange you should ask this, as I just got mine yesterday. I have a new
IVO Medium 3 blade, mounted on a Rotax 912S, also for a Kitfox IV. The
spinner was recommended by the dealer that sold me the prop. It is made
by UHS Fiberglass Products (email uhs@istar.ca) in Markham Ontario
Canada..close to Toronto. It is composite, and is designed specifically
to fit that prop. They balance it too. I have the 10" and it cost
something like $ 170 CDN.
I am just in the process of mounting the prop and the spinner. Could send
you a digital photo in a couple of days if you like.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
"Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
05/11/2005 06:00 AM
Please respond to kitfox-list
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox
Classic iv with Rotax 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
Does anyone know what spinner one can use for this prop as Ivo does not
sell one?
Do not archive
Harry Tucker
PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Email: harry@htucker.com <mailto:harry@htucker.com>
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| Subject: | OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Barry [barryhuston@adelphia.net]
> Heat sinks for oil filters. The claim is for a 12 % temperature drop
> which should
I think it is the one that has been discussed on the Jabiru list, Barry. I even
talked to a Norwegian who had a similar device machined for his plane. I think
it works fine if you are not in a too hot climate. If I remember correctly,
the "cool collar" has the cooling fins along the filter. The Norwegian guy I talked
to had it as circles, thus in the same direction to the air flow, and an
outlet from the Jabiru ram air duct. It seemed to me to make more sense. But
it is certainly more difficult to manufacture.
I might consider that after I have experienced my engine in all the temperature
ranges of a year.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Jeff [jeffthomas@ntlworld.com]
> Regards and safe flying to you all.
Thanks and the same to you, Jeff! Have fun with your SkyRanger, it is certainly
a good plane and a quite popular one. I wish you thousand years of happy flying!
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
When I first installed the 912ULS engine I had three oil coolers fail in the
first 25 hrs.
I obtained an oil cooler and mount from Skystar and have not had anymore
problems in over 300 hrs.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: <gjglh@cebridge.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OIL COOLER FAILURE
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <gjglh@cebridge.net>
>
>
> I used lord mounts om my cooler and still it cracked at the seem to the
> mounting hole. On the new one I purchased I beefed up the mounting flanges
> Now we fly and inspect!
>
> Gary
>
> On Wed May 11 9:11 , Paul <pwilson@climber.org> sent:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul pwilson@climber.org>
>>
>>I recommend rubber shock mounts like the cooler manufacturer recommends.
>>The
> manufacturers sell them or you can use Lord mounts which cost more.
> Mounting
> items to an engine is hard on the item. This is why you see coolers on
> cars
> mounted on the body, and they still recommend the use of rubber shock
> mounts.
>> Regards, Paul
>>=============
>>At 10:06 AM -0400 5/6/05, Barry wrote:
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" barryhuston@adelphia.net>
>>>
>>>Group
>>>
>>>A friend recently had an oil cooler failure ( dead stick fun ) and was
>>>told
>>>that it
>>>
>>>was caused by vibration and should have provided shock/vibration
>>>protection.
>>>
>>>Any Recommendations?
>>>
>>>Barry
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv with |
Rotax 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Gary,
If you wouldn't mind I'd appreciate a photo also as I am contemplating a
spinner for my IVO cap.
Working hard on my IV these days. Hope to have it going very soon!
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv
with Rotax 912S
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> Hi Harry
>
> Strange you should ask this, as I just got mine yesterday. I have a new
> IVO Medium 3 blade, mounted on a Rotax 912S, also for a Kitfox IV. The
> spinner was recommended by the dealer that sold me the prop. It is made
> by UHS Fiberglass Products (email uhs@istar.ca) in Markham Ontario
> Canada..close to Toronto. It is composite, and is designed specifically
> to fit that prop. They balance it too. I have the 10" and it cost
> something like $ 170 CDN.
>
> I am just in the process of mounting the prop and the spinner. Could send
> you a digital photo in a couple of days if you like.
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
>
> "Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 05/11/2005 06:00 AM
> Please respond to kitfox-list
>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> cc:
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox
> Classic iv with Rotax 912S
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
>
> Does anyone know what spinner one can use for this prop as Ivo does not
> sell one?
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Harry Tucker
>
> PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
>
> Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
>
> Email: harry@htucker.com <mailto:harry@htucker.com>
>
>
> DISCLAIMER
> Internet communications are not secure and therefore Jt's Europe Ltd
> does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.
> If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately
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> expressed are those of the author, and do not necessarily represent those
> of Jt's Europe Ltd. Although Jt's Europe Ltd believes this email and
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| Subject: | Re: Mosler engine & Avid first flight video on Ebay, 4549090719 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
All:
I think it is a disservice to this group to condemn anyones product that
could help us. Sterlings video could come in real handy to one of us
struggling with a VW engine install.
If you don't want to buy something because you think the seller should give
them away instead, then don't buy it. It's unrealistic to think everyone
will provide things at no cost, or on a donation basis. It wasn't like he
was holding the auction here on the list.
I personally like to know what is available for our aircraft, and to able to
compare various engines, props, etc. That's the reason I belong to the list
in the first place. I have no interest personally in a VW conversion. But
reading Sterlings credentials I'd bet some of us would get some
entertainment value out of his video.
For the few aftermarket products that pertain specifically to our aircraft,
if the seller wants to tell us about them I think it is I think it is in our
best interest to hear them out. I personally found nothing offensive about
Sterlings offer to sell DVD's on E-bay. And for those that do, your delete
button is just one click away.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
912ul Model IV amphib
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler engine & Avid first flight video on Ebay,
4549090719
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
>
> I canceled my Mosler/Avid DVD auction as motivated by SKYFLYTE@COMCAST.NET
> post this date. I appologize if I burdened or overwhelmed the Kitfox
> group.
> I've been in television for 30 years and I do this for a living.
>
> To burn a DVD, ink and stamp a label, buy a plastic box to put it in and
> then drive 20 miles to a post office and mail it--all for a paultry $10, I
> think that is fairly reasonable. Kudos to the person who has donated his
> videos in the past.
>
> www.sterlingbrooks.tv
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <skyflyte@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler engine & Avid first flight video on Ebay,
> 4549090719
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net
>>
>> Enough of this, please. We had a very nice video of early Kitfox
> learning/training/flying, and the author offered it for free, and many
> send
> in donations.
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sterling"
>> >
>> > For your viewing pleasure, I've submitted a DVD on Ebay showing my
>> > first
> flight
>> > in an airplane I built back in 1992ish. The DVD shows my first flight
>> > in
> my Avid
>> > Sportster I named, Felix The Kit. The video was shot totally from a
> cockpit
>> > perspective with superwide angle lenses using a couple of tiny
> microcams.
>> >
>> > For anyone contemplating installing a VW based engine in an Kitfox or
> other
>> > homebuilt, I've added to my DVD the Mosler 82X Installation video that
>> > I
>> > produced for my client Mosler Motors, formerly based in North Carolina,
> and no
>> > longer in business. The installation video highlights the numerous
>> > basic
> steps
>> > of installing their engine in an Avid. It runs a tad over 33 minutes.
> For more
>> > info about the Mosler engine, see my auction. This segment will help
> most anyone
>> > thinking about installing a VW engine in a Kitfox.
>> >
>> > I started working in television in 1973. My website is listed on the
> auction.
>> >
>> > My first flight and wild ride in my Avid (with two cameras rolling)
>> > runs
> about 8
>> > minutes.
>> >
>> > Ebay item number 4549090719
>> >
>> > Sterling Brooks
>> > Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch.
>> > 5TA6, San Antonio Sectional
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Enough of this, please. We had a very nice video of early Kitfox
> learning/training/flying, and the author offered it for free, and many
> send
> in donations.
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>
>> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sterling" <STERLING@PGRB.COM>
>>
>> For your viewing pleasure, I've submitted a DVD on Ebay showing my first
> flight
>> in an airplane I built back in 1992ish. The DVD shows my first flight in
> my Avid
>> Sportster I named, Felix The Kit. The video was shot totally from a
> cockpit
>> perspective with superwide angle lenses using a couple of tiny
>> microcams.
>>
>> For anyone contemplating installing a VW based engine in an Kitfox or
> other
>> homebuilt, I've added to my DVD the Mosler 82X Installation video that I
>> produced for my client Mosler Motors, formerly based in North Carolina,
> and no
>> longer in business. The installation video highlights the numerous basic
> steps
>> of installing their engine in an Avid. It runs a tad over
>> 33 minutes. For more
>> info about the Mosler engine, see my auction. This segment will help
>> most
> anyone
>> thinking about installing a VW engine in a Kitfox.
>>
>> I started working in television in 1973. My website is listed on the
> auction.
>>
>> My first flight and wild ride in my Avid (with two cameras rolling) runs
> about 8
>> minutes.
>>
>> Ebay item number 4549090719
>>
>> Sterling Brooks
>> Knot-2-Shabby Airport Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch.
>> 5TA6, San Antonio Sectional
>>
>>
>> //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Static Rpm for 912ul and IVO CAP |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
A friend needs some help with his 912ul and his 72" 3 blade IVO CAP with
patriot blades.
No matter what he does, he can't get more than 5300 rpm on the ground. So
even in flight (straight and level) he can only get 5800 rpm while the pitch
is set at climb. Therefore he is unable to use the cruise adjustment all
together.
So it would help if any of you flying IVO CAP's with a 912ul would be able
to give me your static numbers. Ivo wants him to take some blade length
off, but he is trying to avoid that if possible.
Advice? Opinions? Experiences?
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: OIL COOLER FAILURE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
450hrs on mine and no probs and my buds have never
had any issues. Nothing special, just the mount
supplied by Skystar with the Earl's cooler...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Original Message ---
From: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OIL COOLER FAILURE
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins"
<cliffh@outdrs.net>
>
>When I first installed the 912ULS engine I had three
oil coolers fail in the
>first 25 hrs.
>I obtained an oil cooler and mount from Skystar and
have not had anymore
>problems in over 300 hrs.
>Floran H.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <gjglh@cebridge.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OIL COOLER FAILURE
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
<gjglh@cebridge.net>
>>
>>
>> I used lord mounts om my cooler and still it
cracked at the seem to the
>> mounting hole. On the new one I purchased I beefed
up the mounting flanges
>> Now we fly and inspect!
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Wed May 11 9:11 , Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
sent:
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul
pwilson@climber.org>
>>>
>>>I recommend rubber shock mounts like the cooler
manufacturer recommends.
>>>The
>> manufacturers sell them or you can use Lord mounts
which cost more.
>> Mounting
>> items to an engine is hard on the item. This is
why you see coolers on
>> cars
>> mounted on the body, and they still recommend the
use of rubber shock
>> mounts.
>>> Regards, Paul
>>>=============
>>>At 10:06 AM -0400 5/6/05, Barry wrote:
>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry"
barryhuston@adelphia.net>
>>>>
>>>>Group
>>>>
>>>>A friend recently had an oil cooler failure (
dead stick fun ) and was
>>>>told
>>>>that it
>>>>
>>>>was caused by vibration and should have provided
shock/vibration
>>>>protection.
>>>>
>>>>Any Recommendations?
>>>>
>>>>Barry
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mosler engine |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
I find it interesting that each time someone writes to complain about
this message (or any other for that matter), they include the entire
message they are complaining about! All this does is force the rest
of us to see the offending message AGAIN.
Come on folks, it takes 2 seconds to snip the garbage out of a
message you reply to, and it only takes a few lines of the original
for all of us to remember what you are referring to.
This simple procedure is requested of us in the list rules as well.
Mike G.
N728KF
Example:
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sterling"
> >
> > For your viewing pleasure, I've submitted a DVD on Ebay showing
>my first flight...
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| Subject: | Aircraft Survival Gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwilson@climber.org>
Not sure your cell wont work in the places you mention - that is if you
are above ground. When hiking I find good coverage if you are on the
highest peaks. Some hand sets are much better than others. Of the three of
us deep in the San Juans of CO only one had a good connection from a 12k
summit, probably because there were other summits nearby over 14k. We were
much lower than you would be in a plane. Dont assume you cell wont work -
just try it. If you are on the ground in the wilds the cell is not going to
work - for sure.
For our expeditions in Canada/Alaska we carry a sat phone. They can be
rented for specific time periods, so one can do that for those kind of
occasional adventures. (Not a big cost item compared to what you invested
in your plane. Just add the cost to your insurance bill.) The rule is to do
the home work to get the phone numbers for the bush chopper guys where you
are going. You sure cannot dial 911. They will come and get you and the
only thing that would delay them is weather. They can get anywhere in
Alaska or Canada. The climbers have at least a weeks supply of the
necessities so weather is not as important. A downed pilot will muster
multiple choppers to come to your aid and the climbers just have to wait
for the appropriate priority. All one has to do is ask for help.
Times have changed and what we taught in the past for survival is now
questioned. Example why would a pilot need a fire arm. I have never heard
of a climbing expedition that carried one, and often the climbers are in
the wilds for weeks at a time. Not much of a safety issue. As for food I
think I could hang on for a couple of weeks without any meat. Carrying
water is questionable except for our trips to the Baja desert regions where
none is to be found. Surely the forest will have water - at least enough to
get along before the chopper arrives. Maybe frozen which requires another
item - stove. What you take should be based on the weather and location .
Thus no kit has generic applicability.
Did you know that one can buy evacuation insurance to take you from
anywhere in N/Central America to the nearest medical facility. One can even
specify evacuation to your home facility with some companies. The cost is
very low. Just requires a phone call. This kind of insurance includes a
paramedic with the survival medical gear They use whatever kind of plane
that is required - Lear/Chopper/ light twin. They decide what is appropriate.
Food for thought.
Regards Paul
==================
At 01:51 PM 5/11/2005, Steve Cooper wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
>Thanks for your thoughts Paul. I will be relocating soon to Utah and
>will be flying in Idaho, Washington and Oregon as well as Montana. The
>terrain gets pretty remote and wicked fast up there...and no cell phone
>coverage...I'm afraid the Sat phone is out of my price range for
>now...someday maybe! But it's a great idea! Thanks!
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Survival Gear
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
>
> No cell phone? No Sat phone? With those items and your hand held GPS
>with new batteries you can probably do away with 18 items. Keep the
>first aid kit and some warm clothes. Once some knows where you are it
>would be just a short time before they arrive to your assistance. The
>only other thing needed is a list of phone numbers in the area where you
>will be flying. Just remember that calling 911 wont cut it for the cell
>phone, you will need a list of direct numbers.
> What I describe are standard items for world wide explorers and others
>traveling in remote places. Hikers and off road adventurers use the
>devices. Some omit the satellite phone for wilderness travels near
>population centers or major highways where cell phone coverage is
>expected. In a plane, if you have warning and are high enough, the cell
>phone is a good bet as is your plane radio. Just use your phone list and
>recite the coordinates and fly to a safe landing.
> Regards, Paul
>=============
>At 6:11 PM -0700 5/10/05, Steve Cooper wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
><spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> >
> >
> >1. 8 ea. treble fish hooks. (great for snaring rabbits)
> >2. 200 yds. of 30 lb test monofilament line.
> >3. 24" ringed cable saw.
> >4. Small hand ax
> >5. Collapsible shovel/pick 4X8" 30 oz.
> >6. 30 kitchen matches sealed in plastic cigar tubes w/strikers X2
> >7. Small personal first aid kit. First aid instruction booklet.
> >8. Large first aid kit stays in luggage compartment
> >9. Magnesium rod fire starter
> >10. 48 hours of Light sticks 12 hrs X 4 ea.
> >11. 3 quarts water.
> >12. Garrity 200 hour LED flashlight w/colored filters/3 tripple-A cells
> >13. 1000 hours of light/spare triple-A cells
> >14. One Kershaw 1650ST Stainless folding knife.
> >15. One roll Charmin quilted.
> >16. Cheap Digital camera (to leave a record)
> >17. Signaling Mirror.
> >18. Spare double-A batteries for the GPS if I can get it out of the
> >plane.
> >19. 7 lbs worth of the most common tools for working on the plane.
> >20. Spare underclothes, warm jacket, Sleeping Bag and socks.
> >
> >This is what I carry in my survival day pack. Even If I'm only going
> >around the pattern I have it with me. The large first aid kit and the
> >tools stay in the luggage compartment. You never can tell what will
> >happen. The day pack stays with me in the seat...if I have to bail I
>can
> >grab it on my way out of the plane. If the aircraft doesn't burn, I can
> >return for the ELT, Garmin 196 GPS, and the large First Aid Kit in the
> >luggage compartment, the tools, the onboard battery and perhaps a
>little
> >fuel if the tank(s) are in tact. I will probably utilize part of the
> >aircraft for shelter until I get my legs under me. If I'm trapped in
>the
> >plane, I can use the cable saw or hatchet to cut my way out. I can
> >possibly use the fabric from the wings to make some sort of a shelter.
>I
> >know some of you guys have had specialized training...what am I
>missing?
> >I want to be ready just in case it ever happens to me!
> >
> >Steve Cooper
> >Avid Mark IV
> >Jabiru/Tailwheel
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912/4 oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwilson@climber.org>
Has anyone installed the oil cooler somewhere other than on the engine. If
so please tell us about it.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv |
with Rotax 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> with Rotax
912S
I had an Ivo medium on my 912S-powered Kitfox IV and was quite
pleased with the spinner I got from Mike Fothergill at UHS Spinners
in Canada:
E-mail: mfothergill@sympatico.ca
Telephone: (905) 476-3438
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Static Rpm for 912ul and IVO CAP |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
What Does the "CAP" stand for?
Robert
A friend needs some help with his 912ul and his 72" 3 blade IVO CAP with
patriot blades.
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| Subject: | Re: 912/4 oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
John McBean did. When he gets back have him post pictures.
Alan
Paul Wilson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwilson@climber.org>
>
>Has anyone installed the oil cooler somewhere other than on the engine. If
>so please tell us about it.
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A CG question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you, Tom and John.
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> ....or does it mean that the apparent range is greater at mtow that the craft
is more
> stable at the higher weight
Could be, although I am not sure I understand the physics of it.
Tom Jones wrote:
> Yes, that is exactly what I think it means too.
... and this is what I told my hangar buddy. He seemed pleased with the answer,
Tom. And there goes another happy customer! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, to me they are great things. I have one fitted and great believer and
liquid to liq is a better cooling process so long as you have a good main
engine cooling system. _j_
From: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Hi Group
The responses regarding Oil Cooler mounting concerns has reduced my degree
of confidence for long term success.
While looking for shock mounts for the cooler, I came across "COOL COLLARS"
-
Heat sinks for oil filters. The claim is for a 12 % temperature drop
which should
bring it below the 250 deg upper end of the operation range.
Any Comments
Barry
Rotax 912UL - Model IV - 1200 --- Amphib Floats
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| Subject: | OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Is there a link you can post for this 'COOL COLLAR'?
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Anderson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, to me they are great things. I have one fitted and great believer and
liquid to liq is a better cooling process so long as you have a good main
engine cooling system. _j_
From: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Hi Group
The responses regarding Oil Cooler mounting concerns has reduced my degree
of confidence for long term success.
While looking for shock mounts for the cooler, I came across "COOL COLLARS"
-
Heat sinks for oil filters. The claim is for a 12 % temperature drop
which should
bring it below the 250 deg upper end of the operation range.
Any Comments
Barry
Rotax 912UL - Model IV - 1200 --- Amphib Floats
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| Subject: | OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Roger
www.aircraftspruce.com
Engine Parts --- Oil Coolers
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donna and Roger
McConnell
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
<rdmac@swbell.net>
Is there a link you can post for this 'COOL COLLAR'?
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Anderson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, to me they are great things. I have one fitted and great believer and
liquid to liq is a better cooling process so long as you have a good main
engine cooling system. _j_
From: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Hi Group
The responses regarding Oil Cooler mounting concerns has reduced my degree
of confidence for long term success.
While looking for shock mounts for the cooler, I came across "COOL COLLARS"
-
Heat sinks for oil filters. The claim is for a 12 % temperature drop
which should
bring it below the 250 deg upper end of the operation range.
Any Comments
Barry
Rotax 912UL - Model IV - 1200 --- Amphib Floats
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| Subject: | OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Roger, I got mine second hand off a Toyota engine. Not sure what model, I
fitted it to a remote filter mount but if you had room it could be fitted to
the existing filter flange.
I also have the engine sump positioned in the airflow to the radiator so it
sees a good flow of cold air plus I also have two copper tubes through the
sump . ~j~
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
<rdmac@swbell.net>
Is there a link you can post for this 'COOL COLLAR'?
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Anderson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, to me they are great things. I have one fitted and great believer and
liquid to liq is a better cooling process so long as you have a good main
engine cooling system. _j_
From: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Hi Group
The responses regarding Oil Cooler mounting concerns has reduced my degree
of confidence for long term success.
While looking for shock mounts for the cooler, I came across "COOL COLLARS"
-
Heat sinks for oil filters. The claim is for a 12 % temperature drop
which should
bring it below the 250 deg upper end of the operation range.
Any Comments
Barry
Rotax 912UL - Model IV - 1200 --- Amphib Floats
Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers
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| Subject: | Aircraft Survival Gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
At 11:46 AM 5/12/2005, you wrote:
>Not sure your cell wont work in the places you mention - that is if you
>are above ground. When hiking I find good coverage if you are on the
>highest peaks. Some hand sets are much better than others. Of the three of
>us deep in the San Juans of CO only one had a good connection from a 12k
>summit, probably because there were other summits nearby over 14k. We were
>much lower than you would be in a plane. Dont assume you cell wont work -
>just try it. If you are on the ground in the wilds the cell is not going to
>work - for sure.
From my hiking experience in the Colorado mountains, I agree with you
regarding cell phones. However hiking up to a crest along the eastern from
range, cell phones will often work weakly. I do this all the time. Even
better is that with my ham, 2 meter hand held, I am consistently able to
make radio and phone patch contact via front range repeaters by also hiking
up to a local crest--even all the way up into Rocky Mountain National
Park. Therefore for hams, a 2 meter hand held might be a handy item. For
really extreme back country, the new small, low power HF radios which are
no bigger than a hand held, would likely work around the word using CW. I
plan to buy one some day. From past postings, I know a sizeable number of
you are hams.
Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Survival Gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I was surprised where in Alaska the cell phone works. They have towers
on hills all over. One of the things I noticed was how the flight plan
works up there. When ever we deviated from our flight plan, which we did
all the time a quick radio call was made to amend the flight plane. It
really works well. In the Idaho back county all you need is a aviation
band radio, a simple handheld will work if the cell will not. There is
usually someone who can hear you, if not on the 122.9 which they all
use, write down the frequency of center in that area for high altitude.
You can almost always get an airliner to relay a help message for you.
Stay with the plane, get someone to relay your position, tell them if
anyone is hurt so a medical helicopter can be included in the search,
make a marker so we can see you from the air if you can, turn on your
ELT and SAR will get to you darn fast. If no communications work and
your ELT is dead all you have to do is start a small fire and the forest
service people will be there to write you up so fast that- well you get
the point.
To me the essential are a couple space blankets for signaling and
warmth, something to start a fire - you should have gas to help out,
MRE's , a couple bottles of water and a filtration straw or pump and
spare batteries for your handheld. We usually have sleeping bags for
camping but it all depends on what you are doing. Let someone know where
you are going. The planes that are hard to find are the ones that stall
in and go straight in without breaking trees, but then it is just
recovery anyway.
Alan
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OIL "COOL COLLARS" Instead of Coolers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Donna and Roger McConnell [rdmac@swbell.net]
> Is there a link you can post for this 'COOL COLLAR'?
You'll find it at Aircraft Spruce, Roger. But, as I said, and at least for air-cooled
engines, IMHO a model with the cooling fins the other direction, would
be better.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic iv with |
Rotax 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
Thanks for this
Photo would be great + any tips on problems fitting it would be great if
it is not too much trouble
Harry Tucker
PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Email: harry@htucker.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in Kitfox Classic
iv with Rotax 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Hi Harry
Strange you should ask this, as I just got mine yesterday. I have a new
IVO Medium 3 blade, mounted on a Rotax 912S, also for a Kitfox IV. The
spinner was recommended by the dealer that sold me the prop. It is made
by UHS Fiberglass Products (email uhs@istar.ca) in Markham Ontario
Canada..close to Toronto. It is composite, and is designed specifically
to fit that prop. They balance it too. I have the 10" and it cost
something like $ 170 CDN.
I am just in the process of mounting the prop and the spinner. Could
send
you a digital photo in a couple of days if you like.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
"Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
05/11/2005 06:00 AM
Please respond to kitfox-list
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spinner for Ivo Medium Prop in
Kitfox
Classic iv with Rotax 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
Does anyone know what spinner one can use for this prop as Ivo does not
sell one?
Do not archive
Harry Tucker
PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Email: harry@htucker.com <mailto:harry@htucker.com>
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