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1. 04:53 AM - Re: Fuel cap gaskets (Lynn Matteson)
2. 06:52 AM - Re: Fuel cap gaskets (Lowell Fitt)
3. 08:29 AM - Re: Fuel tank gaskets (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
4. 08:48 AM - One part primer (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 08:59 AM - Re: Fuel tank gaskets (Rick)
6. 10:35 AM - Re: BRS mounting Me too I would put one on but (Harris, Robert)
7. 11:18 AM - Re: Re Lowrance custermer support (Steve Maher)
8. 11:55 AM - BRS (kitfox@gto.net)
9. 12:07 PM - Foul smell (Flybradair@cs.com)
10. 12:24 PM - Re: Fuel cap gaskets (Alan Daniels)
11. 12:32 PM - Re: One part primer (Alan Daniels)
12. 12:46 PM - Re: BRS (Alan Daniels)
13. 12:51 PM - Re: One part primer (ron schick)
14. 12:53 PM - Re: One part primer (ron schick)
15. 12:55 PM - Re: Foul smell (Alan Daniels)
16. 12:59 PM - Re: One part primer (customtrans@qwest.net)
17. 01:51 PM - Re: Fuel tank gaskets (Marco Menezes)
18. 01:52 PM - REPLY: BRS mounting (Barry)
19. 02:13 PM - smell (hausding, sid)
20. 02:29 PM - Re: One part primer (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
21. 02:33 PM - Re: Fuel tank gaskets (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
22. 02:44 PM - Re: Survival Gear (Steve Cooper)
23. 03:06 PM - Re: One part primer (Jimmie Blackwell)
24. 03:06 PM - Re: Re Lowrance custermer support (Jimmie Blackwell)
25. 04:28 PM - Data base (Rex & Jan Shaw)
26. 04:49 PM - Re: Data base (Paul Wilson)
27. 05:24 PM - Re: BRS (Rick)
28. 06:03 PM - Re: BRS (flier)
29. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuel tank gaskets (Comp User)
30. 08:58 PM - Re: Foul smell (ron schick)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Lowell....how about the ol' fashioned way.....pencil and paper : )
I have a running discussion with my computer-obsessed neighbor about
using these boxes for certain tasks that were formerly done with
pencil. Maybe a note filed away in a drawer or a real, tangible,
"folder" would do what the computer can't do...keep info available even
if the power goes out....I know, pros and cons to each argument....
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, May 15, 2005, at 11:12 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Clem, thanks for the number post. I knew someone had the part number
> somewhere. Mine is somewhere on the hard drive of my crashed
> computer. Now
> I have it until this puppy crashes.
>
> Lowell
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Lynn,
You are exactly right. I should use at least the print button and make a
hard copy. Then, however, my wife helpfully cleans up my desk and I guess I
could refer to that as a desk crash. I tend to live in clutter, but I know
where things are. Kay preferes the tidy look. I'm glad she puts up with
me.
Lowell
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel cap gaskets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Lowell....how about the ol' fashioned way.....pencil and paper : )
> I have a running discussion with my computer-obsessed neighbor about
> using these boxes for certain tasks that were formerly done with
> pencil. Maybe a note filed away in a drawer or a real, tangible,
> "folder" would do what the computer can't do...keep info available even
> if the power goes out....I know, pros and cons to each argument....
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2005, at 11:12 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Clem, thanks for the number post. I knew someone had the part number
>> somewhere. Mine is somewhere on the hard drive of my crashed
>> computer. Now
>> I have it until this puppy crashes.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute
any sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
>
> P.S.
>
> The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but
I
> still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
> rather than the cap itself.
>
> Clem Nichols
>
>
>
>
>
>
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute
any sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM>
P.S.
The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but
I
still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
rather than the cap itself.
Clem Nichols
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I want to
stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Fuel tank gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I am going to replace the entire cap with some flush mounts and separate
vents, but in the process of stopping the leaks I soidered the edge of the
cap.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank gaskets
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with
four vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap
to 2(?) fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from
the "pitot" vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket
to contribute any sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
>
> P.S.
>
> The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking,
but I
> still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the
vent
> rather than the cap itself.
>
> Clem Nichols
>
>
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with
four vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap
to 2(?) fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from
the "pitot" vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket
to contribute any sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM>
P.S.
The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking,
but I
still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the
vent
rather than the cap itself.
Clem Nichols
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plane is finished.
| Subject: | BRS mounting Me too I would put one on but |
plane is finished.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Call BRS. They have instructions to install it on a model II
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS mounting Me too I would put one on but plane
is finished.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I put mine in the Luggage compartment. Bring the lanyard up, under the
Turtledeck and secure it to the aircraft headrack at or near CG. When
you pull the pin, the rocket will be propelled through the light
aluminum door secured with Velcro.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS mounting Me too I would put one on but
plane is finished.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 5/13/2005 11:01:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamkmcc@mountain.net writes:
Where could I find guidance in the installation of a BRS 900 on a
Kitfox II
that weighs 460 pounds??
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| Subject: | Re: Re Lowrance custermer support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
Lowrance Customer Support told me that the Jepp database has grown so
large it will no longer fit in the memory of my Airmap 100. Hence no
more updates available. They are offering trade-in value for it if I
buy a 500, 1000, or 2000c.
Steve Maher
--- Cliff Olson <colsonj@provide.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cliff Olson"
> <colsonj@provide.net>
>
> Lowrance will not support thier model 300 GPS which was still
> available new in 2002.There is no way to update the Jepp Database,and
> they offer no appolgies.However they do offer about $100.00 bucks or
> so if you send it back to them as a trade in on a new unit.If anyone
> knows a way to update the 300 database there are thousands of us out
> here that need it.I do like the Lowrance GPS I just don't like how
> they have abandoned thier customers. Since this experiance I have
> researched the handheld GPS companies and I have desided that my next
> GPS will be a Garmin.Don't archive. Cliff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Hi all, Simple question - What is the purpose of a BRS chute on a
Kitfox other than for test flight after major mods?
Has the Kitfox ever had any in-flight failures or breakups?
I personally would not fly anything that i felt needed a parachute
unless it was for initial testing and i would probably have on on
myself and make sure i could have quick exit with pop off doors and or
canopy.
I just feel that if it not safe it should not be in air. Kitfox from
what i have seen has a impeccable safety record and that is one reason
i own one.
I would be more worried about a BRS going off when it was not supposed
to.
Just my thoughts and certainly open for discussion. .
Kirby
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Get a bad burning type smell when the cowling is on--this smell is not
present when the cowling is off. (Taxi testing, has not flown yet.) Do you guys
remember if you possibly had this smell when the engine was run for the first
time? I assume that the fiberglass is just getting used to the heat?
Also, I know this has been discussed in the past---I am concerned about the
low fuel warning light that is already coming on sometimes when taxiing even
with plenty of fuel on board. I did paint the tank black but this seems to have
no effect. Did anyone finally cure the faulty readings or is this something
that I am going to have to try and live with?
By the way----N232WB finally received it's certification from the FAA on
5-13-05. The DAR that did my plane was there for 4 hours and 45 minutes!
Brad Martin
Wichita
N232WB
5--LYC o235L2C
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Skystar has them in stock. I just got some last week from them.
Alan
Clem Nichols wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
>Michel:
>
>While at the hangar today I checked the plastic bag my Mercedes fuel tank
>cap seals came in, and the part # shown was
>140 471 00 79. I purchased a couple of these from an after-market supplier,
>so I can't be certain if these are Mercedes part numbers or the suppliers
>(and I can't remember who I bought them from....just found them through
>Google). Other numbers listed on the bag were 209000 04/03. I hope this
>helps.
>
>Clem Nichols
>Do Not Archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel cap gaskets
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>>
>>Thank you for your answers, Dee, Sid, Lowell, Steve and Bill
>>
>>Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Are you leaking fuel from the caps or from the "pitot" breathers?
>>>
>>>
>>This is the important question, Lowell. I am not sure but looking at the
>>stains, it seems to me that they start too close to the cap to be spilled
>>from
>>the breathers. Changing my gaskets that look to be slightly cracked here
>>and
>>there, should be my first attemp. I'll ask in a Mercedes store. If not, I
>>am
>>sure I can cut such gaskets out of rubber. I think the softer rubber the
>>best, right?
>>
>>Steve, filing flat the opening would certainly help. But I am not sure I'd
>>dare
>>file metal even with a cloth over the hole. It sounds risky.
>>
>>
>>Bill and Dee, yes, I'll try a check valve if the problem persists after
>>changing the gaskets. Thanks for the link, Bill.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Michel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One part primer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I have used polyspray silver to give me something to sand, and then a
coat of white to even out the base then the top coat. Most of the one
part primers will go to heck under polytone. If you use one part primer
test it on a scrap first.
Alan
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
>will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I want to
>stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
>
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
My wife likes it. Air strikes with big birds. Engine failure over no
option areas, Unintentional IMC in the mountains combined with vertigo
or no gyro's, incapacitation of the pilot i.e. heart attack, stroke
etc., prop failure causing lose of engine, extreme turbulence causing
loss of control, I am sure I can think of more. Bottom line You are
higher than you can jump and faster than you can run.It give you one
more option. The golden rule is always have a way out. Only one of the
planes I built has a BRS, my wife's Vixen, but I think is is a great
idea if you want one.
Alan
kitfox@gto.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
>Hi all, Simple question - What is the purpose of a BRS chute on a
>Kitfox other than for test flight after major mods?
>
>Has the Kitfox ever had any in-flight failures or breakups?
>
>I personally would not fly anything that i felt needed a parachute
>unless it was for initial testing and i would probably have on on
>myself and make sure i could have quick exit with pop off doors and or
>canopy.
>
>I just feel that if it not safe it should not be in air. Kitfox from
>what i have seen has a impeccable safety record and that is one reason
>i own one.
>
>I would be more worried about a BRS going off when it was not supposed
>to.
>
>Just my thoughts and certainly open for discussion. .
>
>Kirby
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Don you may want to get other opinions, but I had heard somewhere that
pipers require zinc chromate primer when used near coastal flying. Chief
Aircraft sells rattle cans if nothing local can be found. I'm quite sure a
friend used it under a repair he did. Cheap way to test anyway. This product
has become hard to aquire in some areas for environmental reasons. Probably
hazardous as well. Ron
>From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: One part primer
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:48:21 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
>will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I want
>to
>stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
>
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Oops sorry Don, don't know about over fibreglass. Ron
do not archive
>From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: One part primer
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:48:21 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
>will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I want
>to
>stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
>
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
If it is an optical low fuel light it is the sun coming in through the
cloth in the cargo bay. Test it by parking in a spot that the sun comes
in and turns on the light, then put a blanket over the area to see if
the light goes out. If it does simply wrap the header tank in aluminum
foil. I had the same problem. Congratulations on the airworthness
certification.
Alan
Flybradair@cs.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
>
>Get a bad burning type smell when the cowling is on--this smell is not
>present when the cowling is off. (Taxi testing, has not flown yet.) Do you guys
>remember if you possibly had this smell when the engine was run for the first
>time? I assume that the fiberglass is just getting used to the heat?
>
>Also, I know this has been discussed in the past---I am concerned about the
>low fuel warning light that is already coming on sometimes when taxiing even
>with plenty of fuel on board. I did paint the tank black but this seems to have
>no effect. Did anyone finally cure the faulty readings or is this something
>that I am going to have to try and live with?
>
>By the way----N232WB finally received it's certification from the FAA on
>5-13-05. The DAR that did my plane was there for 4 hours and 45 minutes!
>
>
>Brad Martin
>Wichita
>N232WB
>5--LYC o235L2C
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I just finished painting my fiberglass, had ppg paint. I sanded and then put
(well I used two different ones) plasti-kote sandable primer in the white
and the other was NAPA self etching primer no. 7220. Both worked just fine
with the white having a better look because I used polytone insignia white
and with an undercoat of white the cover was better. The NAPA is a gray
color, took a little more polytone to cover, but the NAPA has a better spray
nozzle.
steve allbee
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: One part primer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I want
to
stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
John:
Sounds like maybe you've disassembled a fuel cap. It was suggested earlier that
if the pitot is "plugged" it can be cleared by drilling. Is that advisable, given
the caps internal structure? I've got one that's clear and I can hear something
rattling around inside. The other barely allows air to flow and doesn't
rattle. I've been reluctant to drill it because I thought there might be some
sticky internal check valve (the rattle) that would be destroyed. Tried soaking
in MEK to loosen up any sloshing compound that might be gumming up the works.
No joy. Shall I drill?
Marco Menezes
KF 2 N99KX
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute
any sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
>
> P.S.
>
> The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but
I
> still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
> rather than the cap itself.
>
> Clem Nichols
>
>
>
>
>
>
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute
any sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
P.S.
The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but I
still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
rather than the cap itself.
Clem Nichols
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
My BRS 1200 was installed after the plane was finished.
It is mounted in the luggage compartment similar to Steve, behind the
Right Seat with the rocket firing up through the Turtledeck.
BRS recommended that the Rocket be shot downward --- not an option with
Floats.
If you want some pictures contact me off LIST and will take some for
You.
Barry
Model iv-1200 /// amphibious floats.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS mounting Me too I would put one on but plane
is finished.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Call BRS. They have instructions to install it on a model II
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS mounting Me too I would put one on but plane
is finished.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I put mine in the Luggage compartment. Bring the lanyard up, under the
Turtledeck and secure it to the aircraft headrack at or near CG. When
you pull the pin, the rocket will be propelled through the light
aluminum door secured with Velcro.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS mounting Me too I would put one on but
plane is finished.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 5/13/2005 11:01:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamkmcc@mountain.net writes:
Where could I find guidance in the installation of a BRS 900 on a
Kitfox II
that weighs 460 pounds??
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
That is not a foul smell, that is the smell of success............
congratulations! Could easily be paint on the muffler, new and oily
internal muffler stuffing and baffling from manufacturing processes.....,
paint on other very hot surfaces like cylinder heads or valve covers, oil
leaked on or dropped on while prepping the engine sometime earlier, or even
just the whole engine settling in to its assigned duties...........of course
it could be something sinster too, and a good look into the engine bay under
the cowling is warranted for peace of mind. Have someone assist you so you
don't miss something obvious........the old "forest for the trees" thingy
Leave an old rag in there from cleaning up and or wiping down something?
Sid
Good to hear more flying stuff this spring...........I'm getting there.
-----------------------------
If it is an optical low fuel light it is the sun coming in through the
cloth in the cargo bay. Test it by parking in a spot that the sun comes
in and turns on the light, then put a blanket over the area to see if
the light goes out. If it does simply wrap the header tank in aluminum
foil. I had the same problem. Congratulations on the airworthness
certification.
Alan
Flybradair@cs.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
>
>Get a bad burning type smell when the cowling is on--this smell is not
>present when the cowling is off. (Taxi testing, has not flown yet.) Do you
guys
>remember if you possibly had this smell when the engine was run for the
first
>time? I assume that the fiberglass is just getting used to the heat?
>
>Also, I know this has been discussed in the past---I am concerned about the
>low fuel warning light that is already coming on sometimes when taxiing
even
>with plenty of fuel on board. I did paint the tank black but this seems to
have
>no effect. Did anyone finally cure the faulty readings or is this something
>that I am going to have to try and live with?
>
>By the way----N232WB finally received it's certification from the FAA on
>5-13-05. The DAR that did my plane was there for 4 hours and 45 minutes!
>
>
>Brad Martin
>Wichita
>N232WB
>5--LYC o235L2C
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One part primer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
consider the flexible primer for automotive vinyl parts. it comes in individual
spray cans at about $10 ea.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
> will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I want to
> stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
>
>
>
>
consider the flexible primer for automotive vinyl parts. it comes in individual
spray cans at about $10 ea.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I want to
stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
no I have not disassembled the cap but all of the different layers are quite obvious
through examination. can't speak to drilling, but there are no moving parts
in the pitot vent.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
>
> John:
>
> Sounds like maybe you've disassembled a fuel cap. It was suggested earlier that
> if the pitot is "plugged" it can be cleared by drilling. Is that advisable,
> given the caps internal structure? I've got one that's clear and I can hear
> something rattling around inside. The other barely allows air to flow and
> doesn't rattle. I've been reluctant to drill it because I thought there might
be
> some sticky internal check valve (the rattle) that would be destroyed. Tried
> soaking in MEK to loosen up any sloshing compound that might be gumming up the
> works. No joy. Shall I drill?
>
> Marco Menezes
> KF 2 N99KX
>
> kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
> vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
> fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
> vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute
any
> sealing properties.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
> >
> > P.S.
> >
> > The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but
> I
> > still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
> > rather than the cap itself.
> >
> > Clem Nichols
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
> vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
> fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
> vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute
any
> sealing properties.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
>
> P.S.
>
> The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but
I
> still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
> rather than the cap itself.
>
> Clem Nichols
>
>
> ========================================
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
>
>
>
>
>
>
no I have not disassembled the cap but all of the different layers are quite obvious
through examination. can't speak to drilling, but there are no moving parts
in the pitot vent.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <MSM_9949@YAHOO.COM>
John:
Sounds like maybe you've disassembled a fuel cap. It was suggested earlier that
if the pitot is "plugged" it can be cleared by drilling. Is that advisable,
given the caps internal structure? I've got one that's clear and I can hear
something rattling around inside. The other barely allows air to flow and
doesn't rattle. I've been reluctant to drill it because I thought there might
be
some sticky internal check valve (the rattle) that would be destroyed. Tried
soaking in MEK to loosen up any sloshing compound that might be gumming up the
works. No joy. Shall I drill?
Marco Menezes
KF 2 N99KX
kerrjohna@comcast.net
wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute any
sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
P.S.
The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but
I
still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
rather than the cap itself.
Clem Nichols
<
BR>
remember that the cap as it comes from Skystar is a multi-layer item with four
vents around the perimeter of the cap grip. These vent inside the cap to 2(?)
fluted openings about 1/8" in diameter and located about 1/2" from the "pitot"
vent hole. These inside vents need to be sealed for the gasket to contribute any
sealing properties.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
P.S.
The tank caps fit very firmly now, and I can't immagine they are leaking, but
I
still get fuel stains on my wing, and am convinced the leak is from the vent
rather than the cap itself.
Clem Nichols
========================================
----
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Thanks for the insight Lowell. I can't wait!
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Survival Gear
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Steve,
Been to Moose Lake - long intersecting grass strips. We did a long
sideslip
to get down from the direction we were coming in from. Not a problem
with a
Kitfox.
John McBean is leading an Idaho trip leaving from the Cameron Park
Fly-in
this year. Any one interested contact him. The destination is planned
to
be Cavanaugh Bay via Hells Canyon, I believe. Cavanaugh bBay is easy to
get
into, and worth the trip North for sure. Great food and fun camping -
cabins available. Another group will be leaving for the Idaho Back
Country
the day after the Cameron Park Fly-in and yet another group is leaving
for
Alaska.
I looks like Cameron park is a major staging area this year.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Survival Gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey, Thanks Sid. Ya, I'd like to get my hands on a list like that. As
> far as firearm goes...I know a lot of the guys carry one. I'm thinking
> about the Springfield M-6. It's a 410 on top and the new(?) 22 round
on
> the bottom. It's the same firearm attached to the ejection seat of the
> F-16. You know what...I sure hope I never need anything like
this...but
> if I don't have it with me Murphy's will kick in and I'll be SOL! Het
> Sid...If your plane is finished in time you might consider flying over
.
> John Wright, Cris, myself and a few others are going to do the remote
> fly-in thing...Moose Lake rings a bell...it's a short strip but the
> Avids have no problem getting in and out...whatcha think? It will be
> next year. It would be cool
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hausding,
> sid
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Survival Gear
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
> I think the guys flying into Canada and or up to Alaska would have the
> Canadian mandatory kit items in a listed form..........includes a
> firearm, I
> believe. The CanAm site for entry lists the survival needs from the
> government up there.............
> Sid
> -----------------------
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Steve Cooper
> Date: 05/11/05 15:49:33
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Survival Gear
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks Steve That sounds great. I appreciate your feedback. I will
look
> for a seminar to attend. In the meantime I like the ideas you
proposed.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> customtrans@qwest.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Survival Gear
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>
> I went to a survival class last year at an aviation mountain seminar.
I
> don't have my notes and not sure where they are at this time. But top
> on my
> list is 0000 steel wool, cell phone(use the battery to ignite the
steel
> wool, cotton balls, vasaline(to soak the cotton balls and have a flame
> that
> will last at least five minutes, a steel match, a knife that has a
blade
> that goes through the handle(can be used to split small pieces of wood
> and
> strike the steel match), an orange plastic bag( cut open one end and
> make a
> poncho out of to keep dry and to use as a signal).
>
> The list below is good, but it does take a lot of weight. The items
> above
> are very important and can be used for a variety of things if you know
> how
> to use them. My advice, if you can attend a mountain seminar, these
> things
> are discussed in great detail, at least at the one I went to.
>
> steve a
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Survival Gear
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
>
> 1. 8 ea. treble fish hooks. (great for snaring rabbits)
> 2. 200 yds. of 30 lb test monofilament line.
> 3. 24" ringed cable saw.
> 4. Small hand ax
> 5. Collapsible shovel/pick 4X8" 30 oz.
> 6. 30 kitchen matches sealed in plastic cigar tubes w/strikers X2
> 7. Small personal first aid kit. First aid instruction booklet.
> 8. Large first aid kit stays in luggage compartment
> 9. Magnesium rod fire starter
> 10. 48 hours of Light sticks 12 hrs X 4 ea.
> 11. 3 quarts water.
> 12. Garrity 200 hour LED flashlight w/colored filters/3 tripple-A
cells
> 13. 1000 hours of light/spare triple-A cells
> 14. One Kershaw 1650ST Stainless folding knife.
> 15. One roll Charmin quilted.
> 16. Cheap Digital camera (to leave a record)
> 17. Signaling Mirror.
> 18. Spare double-A batteries for the GPS if I can get it out of the
> plane.
> 19. 7 lbs worth of the most common tools for working on the plane.
> 20. Spare underclothes, warm jacket, Sleeping Bag and socks.
>
> This is what I carry in my survival day pack. Even If I'm only going
> around the pattern I have it with me. The large first aid kit and the
> tools stay in the luggage compartment. You never can tell what will
> happen. The day pack stays with me in the seat...if I have to bail I
can
> grab it on my way out of the plane. If the aircraft doesn't burn, I
can
> return for the ELT, Garmin 196 GPS, and the large First Aid Kit in the
> luggage compartment, the tools, the onboard battery and perhaps a
little
> fuel if the tank(s) are in tact. I will probably utilize part of the
> aircraft for shelter until I get my legs under me. If I'm trapped in
the
> plane, I can use the cable saw or hatchet to cut my way out. I can
> possibly use the fabric from the wings to make some sort of a shelter.
I
> know some of you guys have had specialized training...what am I
missing?
> I want to be ready just in case it ever happens to me!
>
> Steve Cooper
> Avid Mark IV
> Jabiru/Tailwheel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One part primer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Don
I used a spray can of a PPG product on my Grove landing gear. It is Etch
Prime-Grey part number SXA1031 in a spray can. Have not tried it on
fiberglass, but it worked very well on the Grove gear and PPG paint sprayed
on the primer.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: One part primer
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Looking for any suggestions on a "one part" primer (even spray cans) that
> will work on fiberglass with Poly Tone as a top coat. As you know, I
want to
> stay away from 2 part epoxy type stuff.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Lowrance custermer support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Steve
I have an Airmap 100 that I would love to trade in. What number did you
call at Lowrance?
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Maher" <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Lowrance custermer support
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>
> Lowrance Customer Support told me that the Jepp database has grown so
> large it will no longer fit in the memory of my Airmap 100. Hence no
> more updates available. They are offering trade-in value for it if I
> buy a 500, 1000, or 2000c.
>
> Steve Maher
>
>
> --- Cliff Olson <colsonj@provide.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cliff Olson"
> > <colsonj@provide.net>
> >
> > Lowrance will not support thier model 300 GPS which was still
> > available new in 2002.There is no way to update the Jepp Database,and
> > they offer no appolgies.However they do offer about $100.00 bucks or
> > so if you send it back to them as a trade in on a new unit.If anyone
> > knows a way to update the 300 database there are thousands of us out
> > here that need it.I do like the Lowrance GPS I just don't like how
> > they have abandoned thier customers. Since this experiance I have
> > researched the handheld GPS companies and I have desided that my next
> > GPS will be a Garmin.Don't archive. Cliff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I think Lowrance was bought by Garmin a year or two ago...
cliff
>
> Lowrance will not support thier model 300 GPS which was still available
> new in 2002.There is no way to update the Jepp Database,and they offer no
> appolgies.However they do offer about $100.00 bucks or so if you send it
> back to them as a trade in on a new unit.If anyone knows a way to update
> the 300 database there are thousands of us out here that need it.I do like
> the Lowrance GPS I just don't like how they have abandoned thier
> customers. Since this experiance I have researched the handheld GPS
> companies and I have desided that my next GPS will be a Garmin.Don't
> archive. Cliff
Cliff I'm certainly useless with a GPS. I have a Garmin 55AVD that came with
my plane but I can't make it work and nor can several others that have
tried. Yes we do have the book. Anyway the point is I spent a fair bit of
time on the net over the problem and I did come across a site that offered,
for free I think, update database downloads I thought for almost every GPS.
I have the impression you would find what you want here as I remember some
downloads were alternatives that would work. Sorry I couldn't tell you where
I found this but I suggest it would be worth you looking for it. Of course I
have no idea how one handles such a download. Hope this helps get you out of
trouble. I have about given up on mine. Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwilson@climber.org>
I have been communicating with Lowrance. They are very ind
ependent and cannot or will not let their units communicate with Garmin
software.
It is not true that Garmin bought Lowrance, but they did buy UPS. Lowrance
sells some GPSs that look pretty interesting. However it appears that
Garmin is the big dog for GPS development for land, sea and air.
All the GPS companies are very dynamic with regard to producing newer and
better models. The old units have been made obsolete in a very short time.
The are worse than the computer people.
Paul
===============
At 05:28 PM 5/16/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
>I think Lowrance was bought by Garmin a year or two ago...
>cliff
> >
> > Lowrance will not support thier model 300 GPS which was still available
> > new in 2002.There is no way to update the Jepp Database,and they offer no
> > appolgies.However they do offer about $100.00 bucks or so if you send it
> > back to them as a trade in on a new unit.If anyone knows a way to update
> > the 300 database there are thousands of us out here that need it.I do like
> > the Lowrance GPS I just don't like how they have abandoned thier
> > customers. Since this experiance I have researched the handheld GPS
> > companies and I have desided that my next GPS will be a Garmin.Don't
> > archive. Cliff
>
>Cliff I'm certainly useless with a GPS. I have a Garmin 55AVD that came with
>my plane but I can't make it work and nor can several others that have
>tried. Yes we do have the book. Anyway the point is I spent a fair bit of
>time on the net over the problem and I did come across a site that offered,
>for free I think, update database downloads I thought for almost every GPS.
>I have the impression you would find what you want here as I remember some
>downloads were alternatives that would work. Sorry I couldn't tell you where
>I found this but I suggest it would be worth you looking for it. Of course I
>have no idea how one handles such a download. Hope this helps get you out of
>trouble. I have about given up on mine. Rex.
>
>rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
That's something I really want to do. Would you mind terribly posting some
pics to sportflight. I may have a lead on one that was never installed.
Thanks.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
My wife likes it. .......................
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Never heard of an unintended deployment but have heard of 70 or so lives
being saved.
Mid-air is a worry for those of us that do a lot of heavily attended fly-ins
where you're working in line with 100s of arrivals.
I'm putting one in my Nieuport as it's gonna be even harder to see than the
Kitfox. I'll put one in the Kitfox eventually but at least it has strobes
and lights...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kitfox@gto.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: BRS
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Hi all, Simple question - What is the purpose of a BRS chute on a
Kitfox other than for test flight after major mods?
Has the Kitfox ever had any in-flight failures or breakups?
I personally would not fly anything that i felt needed a parachute
unless it was for initial testing and i would probably have on on
myself and make sure i could have quick exit with pop off doors and or
canopy.
I just feel that if it not safe it should not be in air. Kitfox from
what i have seen has a impeccable safety record and that is one reason
i own one.
I would be more worried about a BRS going off when it was not supposed
to.
Just my thoughts and certainly open for discussion. .
Kirby
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
I just noticed that fuel is coming out of the cap on my mod.5. This is the
first time. The gaskets have gotten very hard over time. The first thing to
try for me is to replace the gasket with a semi soft rubber one. Will allso
look at the 2 part cap from skystar. It there are vents on the side I will
seal these up. My vent tube goes straight down through the center of the
cap.
Albert Smith
Mod 5 NSI CAP
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Brad congrads on the cert! I too just got mine N117AF and am in testing. I
had fiberglass to close to the exhaust on mine, but had to move it away
mainly to get cooling air exit. You need more cowling exhaust than cowl
intake. A good seal at the firewall and oh ya, a runway real close in case.
Have fun! Ron
do not archive
>From: Flybradair@cs.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Foul smell
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:06:08 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
>
>Get a bad burning type smell when the cowling is on--this smell is not
>present when the cowling is off. (Taxi testing, has not flown yet.) Do you
>guys
>remember if you possibly had this smell when the engine was run for the
>first
>time? I assume that the fiberglass is just getting used to the heat?
>
>Also, I know this has been discussed in the past---I am concerned about the
>low fuel warning light that is already coming on sometimes when taxiing
>even
>with plenty of fuel on board. I did paint the tank black but this seems to
>have
>no effect. Did anyone finally cure the faulty readings or is this something
>that I am going to have to try and live with?
>
>By the way----N232WB finally received it's certification from the FAA on
>5-13-05. The DAR that did my plane was there for 4 hours and 45 minutes!
>
>
>Brad Martin
>Wichita
>N232WB
>5--LYC o235L2C
>
>
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