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1. 10:26 AM - Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... (Marco Menezes)
2. 10:26 AM - Re: Super cub talk (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
3. 10:55 AM - Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... (Rick)
4. 04:27 PM - Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
5. 04:27 PM - Re: Ellison vapor lock (Rick)
6. 06:16 PM - Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... (Lowell Fitt)
7. 10:48 PM - Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
8. 10:49 PM - Re: Ellison vapor lock (Howard Firm)
9. 10:52 PM - Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... (Jose M. Toro)
10. 10:56 PM - Fw: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (kitfox@gto.net)
11. 10:57 PM - I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... (Michel Verheughe)
12. 11:06 PM - Re: Jab report (kurt schrader)
13. 11:23 PM - Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (gary)
14. 11:30 PM - Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (kurt schrader)
15. 11:32 PM - Re: Ellison vapor lock (Peter Graichen)
16. 11:33 PM - Re: Kitfox Wings (Harry Tucker)
17. 11:36 PM - Re: What happended?Re: Archeologist (Harris, Robert)
18. 11:36 PM - SV: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (Michel Verheughe)
19. 11:36 PM - Re: Kitfox Wings (Dee Young)
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Dave,
I have tailwheel endorsement with about 40 hrs of PA-11 and J-3 time. I'm getting
ready to begin test flight program on my Model 2. Specifically, what are the
flight characteristics of the Model 2 that inspired you to say it's "not a beginner's
airplane?" I don't like surprises. (I've ordered the pilot's guide from
Skystar but it's on backorder.)
Thanks
Marco Menezes
KF2 582 N99KX
Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I would not hesitate flying on certain 2 strokes....
Specificly...
a newer 447 , 503 and 582
Most of the 447 are bullet proof... but all have single ignition, get the
one with electronic ign
The 503 is outstanding, especially the dual carb, dual ignition (electronic)
The 582 had earlier issues, but the latest "Blue head" has been great.
Two strokes have much shorter TBO, but TBO is cheap. Bottom line, they can
be reliable and very economic. The have the BEST power to weight. Period.
Personaly, I strongly recommend a proven aviation Rotax shop do your
work....Lockwood is expensive, personally, worth it. Call them. They are great.
I have seen aircraft with problems in both 4 and 2 stroke.
Before you buy, have someone that understands Rotax take a peek....
Personally, a 503 is a bit light in power... BUT I have to admit, I saw a
Model 4 fly pretty darn well with one...
If you want my opinion.... LOL
Sell the old 503 (Ebay?) , drop a new 503 in, Dual carb, E Box, get the oil
injection.... maybe an new IVO 3 blade and fly the heck out of it... you
will get a zero engine, more power,
This way you know the engines history...
Oh...yes electric start is a Big plus!!
The KF 1 and 2 are very simalar. Its not a beginners plane. I have almost
300 hours on my KF2 and love it, but it take a lot more to fly a KF 1, 2 than
a J3 I have time in them too...
The KF 3, 4 and so on became easier....
Hey, read all the responses.... its a good well intentioned group.... make
an informed descision...
Fly safe and enjoy!
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
ME!
Interesting, there was no way I could get a Smith Cub last August, so I came
up with my own. Then it was just the owner and his son and they really
wanted out!
Here soon we will start on number two, with folding wings
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfox@gto.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Super cub talk
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Noel , I would suggest that you go and visit the shop. They had about 6
or 8 in the shop being welded a few week ago when i was there.
Perhaps you should email them and see what they say. I think they in
Alaska this week showin off the supercubs this week.
What is the company that produced your "kit?
thk Kirby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Super cub talk
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
<noel@blueskyaviation.net>
>
> These guys are not producing kits, maybe 2 the last half of last
year. I
> tried to buy one and could not, but was offered the company at 2
million.
> Just think the guy said all you have to do is put one million down
and sell
> 4 kits a month.
> 60' seems right I estimated one of my take offs yesterday at 3
aircraft
> lengths. Makes that take off role really nice and easy to keep
strait.
>
>
> Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kitfox@gto.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Super cub talk
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
> You folks wanna see a hot cub kit ? How about 60 foot take off run
?
>
>
> http://supercubkits.ca/
>
>
> Wait till this video loads http://www.supercubkits.ca/lbauer.htm
in
> the top frame. I have been in his shop and seen these fly. Unreal.
> But alot of Horsepower too. It is between London and Kitchener
Ontario
> Canada and there is a Float manufactuer with a runway there about 10
> miles from there. Makes beautilful amphibs.
> http://www.clamarfloats.com/
>
> That Super cub maker is booked 5 years ahead right now on orders.
and
> they are about 25k US$ to stat plus engine. These are alot heavier
> than a kitfox, but a heck of alot more power too.
>
>
> Kirby
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| Subject: | kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
What kind of hours? :) Don't want to accumulate many of those.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior
2...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <ragwings83@sssnet.com>
GREAT feedback Dave-- I am low time and am not interested in a plane that
does not fly well. If you say it flys differently than a Piper J3 in what
regards. As far as the small plane- the N3 is the only 3 axis I have flown-
it takes rudder to make the N3 work correctly- I see the Kit Model 1 many
remarks about rudder needi=ed to put the plane where you want it. WHat about
the plane makes it not a beginner plane?
PS I trust 2 strokes but I have been around them forever and a day. Rotax
503 or 447 are very reliable- I had the 582 blue without a problem in 70
hours.
Weight shit hours however.
Jeff H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior
2...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I would not hesitate flying on certain 2 strokes....
Specificly...
a newer 447 , 503 and 582
Most of the 447 are bullet proof... but all have single ignition, get the
one with electronic ign
The 503 is outstanding, especially the dual carb, dual ignition
(electronic)
The 582 had earlier issues, but the latest "Blue head" has been great.
Two strokes have much shorter TBO, but TBO is cheap. Bottom line, they can
be reliable and very economic. The have the BEST power to weight. Period.
Personaly, I strongly recommend a proven aviation Rotax shop do your
work....Lockwood is expensive, personally, worth it. Call them. They are
great.
I have seen aircraft with problems in both 4 and 2 stroke.
Before you buy, have someone that understands Rotax take a peek....
Personally, a 503 is a bit light in power... BUT I have to admit, I saw a
Model 4 fly pretty darn well with one...
If you want my opinion.... LOL
Sell the old 503 (Ebay?) , drop a new 503 in, Dual carb, E Box, get the oil
injection.... maybe an new IVO 3 blade and fly the heck out of it... you
will get a zero engine, more power,
This way you know the engines history...
Oh...yes electric start is a Big plus!!
The KF 1 and 2 are very simalar. Its not a beginners plane. I have almost
300 hours on my KF2 and love it, but it take a lot more to fly a KF 1, 2
than
a J3 I have time in them too...
The KF 3, 4 and so on became easier....
Hey, read all the responses.... its a good well intentioned group.... make
an informed descision...
Fly safe and enjoy!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 5/24/2005 12:28:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
Dave,
I have tailwheel endorsement with about 40 hrs of PA-11 and J-3 time. I'm
getting ready to begin test flight program on my Model 2. Specifically, what
are the flight characteristics of the Model 2 that inspired you to say it's
"not a beginner's airplane?" I don't like surprises. (I've ordered the pilot's
guide from Skystar but it's on backorder.)
Thanks
I would say that the controls are very light. Not overly sensitive at all,
in fact I like it.... but A take off in my KF 2 with a 582 take about 4
seconds... Things happen quickly. I too have a tail wheel endorsement and can
tell you there is no subsitute for experience.
There is a fair amount of adverse yaw coupled with some yaw instabilty. I
taped the gap in the rudder to fin and that helped a bunch.
A forward CG location also helps a lot.
I strongly suggest you start by flying off of grass and wind down the runway
as much as practical until you gain experience in your particular plane.
I dont want to scare you at all, just caution you. I have to say I am
closing in on 300 hours in the past 3 years in my little KF and the first 50 I
was
ready to sell her. Now, its no way!
PS, once "mastered" if I dare use that term!!! I can land and take off
VERY short, cruise at 75 to 85 mph and land in a STIFF cross wind on pavement.
But NOT n the begining!
Enjoy, fly safe
Dave
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| Subject: | Ellison vapor lock |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
It could be a hot start method and not a vapor lock. I have a fairly short
fuel run from the firewall and it is an insulated line. There have been
times if allow to sit after a brief shut down that starting was tricky. How
many hours have you had the plane and how many times has this occurred? Do
you have the glasolator. That plumbing and item inside the engine
compartment can be a source of difficulty. My fuel pump and filter are under
the seat, so I do not have much exposed. Plus, my cowl is vented pretty
well. I have also experienced heat soak to the started which prevented a
start, time sensitive shut down issue though depending on the OAT.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of willett
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison vapor lock
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: willett <willett@bwn.net>
I have a Model IV with NSI Subraru and Ellison Throttle body. Our
temperatures have been around 90 deg the last few days, every time I shut
it down on the ground, hot, the fuel system vapor locks and it won't
restart. In cooler weather the fuel pump with lots of primer and turning
the motor over will usually get cooler fuel pumped in and allow a restart.
Has anyone else had this problem and have a solution.
Mike Willett
N724JD
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Markos,
Having your question unanswered to this point, I thought I might insert a
note. Consider what I say as hearsay as I don't fly a model l,ll or lll.
With that discaimer, I don't think any of the Kitfox models are too
difficult to fly.
The guy I am helping with his Lancair IV flies regularly in a Cessna
Skylane. His feet are firmly planted on the floor and he flies just like I
do when I am driving my Ford. The Kitfox likes to be flown - that is,
aileron, elevator and RUDDER. I think that is what most would say in the
sense that it takes "more" to fly a Kitfox.
I learned to fly in a Cessna 170B and what impressed me when I flew my Model
IV is that it flew exactly like an airplane. Somehow I thought it might be
different, like difficult. They trim nicely and will fly hands off - at
least for a while. I have flown well over an hour coming back from Quincy,
in the Northern Sierra Nevada Mts. with only rudder input. granted I was
slowly descending, but nevertheless I could hold heading and center the ball
with only the rudder.
There are too many guys flying the Kitfox early models to suggest that it
requires superior skills to fly them comfortably. They are different, yes,
but difficult, I doubt it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior
2...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> I have tailwheel endorsement with about 40 hrs of PA-11 and J-3 time. I'm
> getting ready to begin test flight program on my Model 2. Specifically,
> what are the flight characteristics of the Model 2 that inspired you to
> say it's "not a beginner's airplane?" I don't like surprises. (I've
> ordered the pilot's guide from Skystar but it's on backorder.)
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco Menezes
> KF2 582 N99KX
>
> Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> I would not hesitate flying on certain 2 strokes....
>
> Specificly...
>
> a newer 447 , 503 and 582
>
> Most of the 447 are bullet proof... but all have single ignition, get the
> one with electronic ign
>
> The 503 is outstanding, especially the dual carb, dual ignition
> (electronic)
>
> The 582 had earlier issues, but the latest "Blue head" has been great.
>
> Two strokes have much shorter TBO, but TBO is cheap. Bottom line, they can
> be reliable and very economic. The have the BEST power to weight. Period.
>
> Personaly, I strongly recommend a proven aviation Rotax shop do your
> work....Lockwood is expensive, personally, worth it. Call them. They are
> great.
>
> I have seen aircraft with problems in both 4 and 2 stroke.
>
> Before you buy, have someone that understands Rotax take a peek....
>
> Personally, a 503 is a bit light in power... BUT I have to admit, I saw a
> Model 4 fly pretty darn well with one...
>
> If you want my opinion.... LOL
>
> Sell the old 503 (Ebay?) , drop a new 503 in, Dual carb, E Box, get the
> oil
> injection.... maybe an new IVO 3 blade and fly the heck out of it... you
> will get a zero engine, more power,
>
> This way you know the engines history...
>
> Oh...yes electric start is a Big plus!!
>
> The KF 1 and 2 are very simalar. Its not a beginners plane. I have almost
> 300 hours on my KF2 and love it, but it take a lot more to fly a KF 1, 2
> than
> a J3 I have time in them too...
>
> The KF 3, 4 and so on became easier....
>
> Hey, read all the responses.... its a good well intentioned group.... make
> an informed descision...
>
> Fly safe and enjoy!
>
> Dave
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I have also flown a KF 4 and can tell you its a lot easier than a 1 or 2. I
really like the 4 Speedster :-)....
Anyways,
I am not a super high time pilot.... but, clearly some planes are easier tha
n other to fly than others. If we can agree on that, and having flown a 2 a
fair amount (almost 300 hours) and a 4 a bit, I vividly remember the
learning curve. It is my experience, It took time. In fact a LOT more time than
my
warrior 2.
I never said the KF2 as a bad plane..... Im keeping it. Its cute, fun and
very STOL.
I Love it, just I think its reasonable to report, it takes good training and
more time to master than a J3 or Cessna 172 Pa 28 and so on. Its a
different animal. But when you "get it" its a blast.
Where are you located?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Ellison vapor lock |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
On both my NSI birds, I had to move the pump under the seat to a cooler
area. That took care of it!
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "willett" <willett@bwn.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison vapor lock
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: willett <willett@bwn.net>
>
>
> I have a Model IV with NSI Subraru and Ellison Throttle body. Our
> temperatures have been around 90 deg the last few days, every time I shut
> it down on the ground, hot, the fuel system vapor locks and it won't
> restart. In cooler weather the fuel pump with lots of primer and turning
> the motor over will usually get cooler fuel pumped in and allow a restart.
> Has anyone else had this problem and have a solution.
> Mike Willett
> N724JD
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox 1 vs 2-4 I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Marco:
I will attempt to answer this one. I have a few hours
in J-3s, and own a KF II.
Since the KF II is lighter than the J-3, it is more
susceptible to wind. This implies that you need to be
more responsive (awake?) to cross winds, gusts, etc.
In addition, the bungee style landing gear in the KF
II is narrower that the one in the J-3. In this
sense, you could compare the KF II with the Luscombes.
It takes more rudder control in the KFII to keep it
aligned on the runway compared to the J-3. The
controls in the KF II are lighter and more responsive.
This could induce over control until you get used.
The J-3 has a better glide, probably beause of a
bigger wing area. With the 582, the KFII has close to
twice the climb of the J-3 and about the same crusing
speed.
If you can fly a J-3, you can certainly get used to
the KF II manners. However, if your total TD time is
40 hours, I recommend that you get checked by a CFI in
another Kitfox before beginning the test flights.
The feeling is a little bit different. I love both
flavors.
Jose
--- Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
> <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> I have tailwheel endorsement with about 40 hrs of
> PA-11 and J-3 time. I'm getting ready to begin test
> flight program on my Model 2. Specifically, what are
> the flight characteristics of the Model 2 that
> inspired you to say it's "not a beginner's
> airplane?" I don't like surprises. (I've ordered the
> pilot's guide from Skystar but it's on backorder.)
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco Menezes
> KF2 582 N99KX
>
> Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> I would not hesitate flying on certain 2 strokes....
>
> Specificly...
>
> a newer 447 , 503 and 582
>
> Most of the 447 are bullet proof... but all have
> single ignition, get the
> one with electronic ign
>
> The 503 is outstanding, especially the dual carb,
> dual ignition (electronic)
>
> The 582 had earlier issues, but the latest "Blue
> head" has been great.
>
> Two strokes have much shorter TBO, but TBO is cheap.
> Bottom line, they can
> be reliable and very economic. The have the BEST
> power to weight. Period.
>
> Personaly, I strongly recommend a proven aviation
> Rotax shop do your
> work....Lockwood is expensive, personally, worth it.
> Call them. They are great.
>
> I have seen aircraft with problems in both 4 and 2
> stroke.
>
> Before you buy, have someone that understands Rotax
> take a peek....
>
> Personally, a 503 is a bit light in power... BUT I
> have to admit, I saw a
> Model 4 fly pretty darn well with one...
>
> If you want my opinion.... LOL
>
> Sell the old 503 (Ebay?) , drop a new 503 in, Dual
> carb, E Box, get the oil
> injection.... maybe an new IVO 3 blade and fly the
> heck out of it... you
> will get a zero engine, more power,
>
> This way you know the engines history...
>
> Oh...yes electric start is a Big plus!!
>
> The KF 1 and 2 are very simalar. Its not a beginners
> plane. I have almost
> 300 hours on my KF2 and love it, but it take a lot
> more to fly a KF 1, 2 than
> a J3 I have time in them too...
>
> The KF 3, 4 and so on became easier....
>
> Hey, read all the responses.... its a good well
> intentioned group.... make
> an informed descision...
>
> Fly safe and enjoy!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Michel,
I don't think fearing a ground loop will increae you odds of not ground
looping.
Now is that being a positvie thinker :) ?
Kirby
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
<michel@online.no>
>
> While on the subject, a quick question, guys:
> I fear ground loop, therefore I fear crosswind. Do I have a lesser
chance to
> ground loop, in crosswind, on a grass field, than on an asphalt
runway?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | I have a 2 and a Piper Warrior 2... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Marco Menezes wrote:
> Specifically, what are the flight characteristics of the Model 2 that
> inspired you to say it's "not a beginner's airplane?"
Marco, when I bought my Kitfox 3, two years ago, I didn't know anything about
flying, having barely started with an instructor.
I was also told that the Kitfox was not a "beginner's plane." Being stubborn, I
continued and became acquainted with the plane that I couldn't dream of flying
anything else. Lately I had my old "nosewheel" instructor and the local
"aerobatic star" with me and both had great difficulties to land the plane.
Even on take-off, I had to take the stick from the instructor.
Why?
I don't know. I know I started slowly, looking at the plane like a lover trying
to appreciate her. I went for many taxiing, then high-speed taxiing, to feel
the plane. Other pilots at the airfield must certainly have smiled, wondering
if the plane was ever going up in the air.
When I finally managed to get a taildragger instructor, we went on for many
touch and go's. I couldn't get it right. My instructor couldn't tell me what I
did wrong, other than: Feel the plane and lay ahead of it. I tried and I tried.
One day, he said: Take the plane for a ride alone. I did. After that came the
navigation test, paperwork, etc. and I finally got my license. The day after
that, I went up in the air for even more touch and go's, I felt still like a
student and still do it now, after about 120 hours.
Just be careful, do things step by step, take your time to develop a long
lasting relationship. Books can give you hints but I believe there are not two
planes with the same character, just like humans or pets.
And to paraphrase a certain fox, talking to a little prince: "It is everything
you have done for your plane that will make her unique in the world."
... well it was not exactly his words but since the author was also a pilot, I
guess the slightly modified quote is most suitable.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes Michel. Good question,
It is good that you plan for fail safe ops. If
everything were perfect, the door would be in a low
pressure area. This would help the cowl air exhaust
and also make the door blow more easily open, if the
control broke. The actual local pressures inside and
outside the cowl will dictate how fail safe your door
is though.
If you can experiment with it once done, you can make
adjustments to make sure it fail safes open. All you
need to do is make the control free of much friction
or stops for a test flight. See where the door goes
at various speeds and power settings when you let go
of the control. If it doesn't open enough, you might
want to add an opening spring to help it.
I think that you will find that your free blowing door
probably allows at least reduced power cruising, if
you catch the problem before it gets too hot. A good
temp warning system would be nice. Lets you look
outside more and enjoy the scenery.
Other ideas might come up, like redundant door
controls, or spliting the door in 1/2 and controling
each half seperately. If one side breaks, control the
other. Lots of planes have more than one cowl flap.
Or maybe just use a more substantial control to begin
with so it won't break.
That is the fun of experimenting. You can be
creative.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > I like the idea of removing the fixed outlet and
> > replacing it with a movable door.
>
> Thanks for this very interesting feed-back, Kurt. I
> know that you have
> experimented with cooling scoops and your opinion is
> much appreciated.
>
> One thing, though: although I also believe in a
> "movable door" I have this concern: As it is now
> (and I can feel in in the control wire) if it should
> snap, the pressure will keep the flap open
> (fail-safe). But I am afraid that,
> at best, the "movable door" will, in the event of a
> control cable break, stay half open, the inside
> pressure fighting the direct wind drag.
> Does this make sense to you?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gary" <FlyinK@Efortress.com>
>
> While on the subject, a quick question, guys:
> I fear ground loop, therefore I fear crosswind. Do I have a lesser chance
> to
> ground loop, in crosswind, on a grass field, than on an asphalt runway?
yes, i believe so. my taildragger instructor had me start on grass because
he said it was much more forgiving.
gary
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| Subject: | Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Think, ice, snow, grass, pavement. Can you even
ground loop on ice? How about on your skis on snow?
Grass is not as forgiving as those, but more slippery
than pavement. I prefer grass myself.
When it goes wrong, remember: It isn't your fault.
It isn't my fault. It is as-fault.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> While on the subject, a quick question, guys:
> I fear ground loop, therefore I fear crosswind. Do I
> have a lesser chance to ground loop, in crosswind,
> on a grass field, than on an asphalt runway?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Ellison vapor lock |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Mike:
Your problem is not so much that the Ellison throttle body vapor-locks, but
rather your (Facet)fuel pump. I bet your fuel pump is located on the engine
side of the firewall. Upon engine shutdown it heatsoakes and vapor-locks. A
vapor-locked fuel pump is incapable of pumping fuel. Your choices are to
either always purchase a cold pop when refuelling. Before engine startup
pour the cold pop over the facet pump. Now it will pump. Push the primer
button and all hot fuel vapor in the line will be purged in no time.
My fuel handling system is underneath the passenger seat where it is
relatively cool. (See my web site)
Peter K. Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of willett
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison vapor lock
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: willett <willett@bwn.net>
I have a Model IV with NSI Subraru and Ellison Throttle body. Our
temperatures have been around 90 deg the last few days, every time I shut it
down on the ground, hot, the fuel system vapor locks and it won't restart.
In cooler weather the fuel pump with lots of primer and turning the motor
over will usually get cooler fuel pumped in and allow a restart.
Has anyone else had this problem and have a solution.
Mike Willett
N724JD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@jts.co.uk>
I think we have it over here in SA.
Send me a pic and I will confirm
Here is the pic of the one I think it is
Harry Tucker
PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Cell + 27 083 45 28824
Email: harry@htucker.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyflyte@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net
I have a picture of the Kitfox Biplane "Special Effects" which was shown
at either Sun-n'-Fun or Oshkosh. I think it was built for Dan Denny to
show off some of their new ideas, like a flip up turtle deck shown in
the picture. There are no visible N numbers in the photo, so I have no
way to find out where it is. Does anybody know?
Mike
> The factory once tested a KitFox biplane. I know
> little about it, but understand that it flew OK.
I have a picture of the Kitfox Biplane "Special Effects" which was shown
at either Sun-n'-Fun or Oshkosh. I think it was built for Dan Denny to
show off some of their new ideas, like a flip up turtle deck shown in
the picture. There are no visible N numbers in the photo, so I have no
way to find out where it is. Does anybody know?
Mike
The factory once tested a KitFox biplane. I know
little about it, but understand that it flew OK.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi guys,
Thanks for sharing. I'm really sorry that you have life long injuries and
that your planes were destroyed. I can sort of feel your pain and your loss
but not to the degree both of you are experiencing. Two years ago my plane
was destroyed by a fire and 30 years ago my family and I survived a 4
passenger plane crash that resulted in life long injuries. I'm glad you are
both alive.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Slabbert
Robert, lets just say my luck ran out, after so many years.
Got hit by the devil some 6 secs out, still a mystery to me.
Lost the starboard, 360 an hit right side up.
Dirk.
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| Subject: | Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Jose M. Toro [jose_m_toro@yahoo.com]
> My opinion is that, typically, in the grass runway you
> will have more opportunity to align the plane with the
> wind than in an asphalt runway.
It is also my feeling, Jose. Good to have it confirmed.
The reason I asked is that I will fly south next month and say, in Germany, there
are many small airfields to chose between and if I pick an ATIS and see that
I may face a crosswind, I think I'll try a grass field.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: "...face a crosswind" is a paradox, isn't it? :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
The last I knew the bottom set of wings for this plane were in a hanger being used
by Denny in Nampa, Idaho. I saw them about 4 years ago.
Dee
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----- Original Message -----
From: skyflyte@comcast.net<mailto:skyflyte@comcast.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net<mailto:skyflyte@comcast.net>
I have a picture of the Kitfox Biplane "Special Effects" which was shown at either
Sun-n'-Fun or Oshkosh. I think it was built for Dan Denny to show off some
of their new ideas, like a flip up turtle deck shown in the picture. There
are no visible N numbers in the photo, so I have no way to find out where it
is. Does anybody know?
Mike
> The factory once tested a KitFox biplane. I know
> little about it, but understand that it flew OK.
I have a picture of the Kitfox Biplane "Special Effects" which was shown at either
Sun-n'-Fun or Oshkosh. I think it was built for Dan Denny to show off some
of their new ideas, like a flip up turtle deck shown in the picture. There
are no visible N numbers in the photo, so I have no way to find out where it is.
Does anybody know?
Mike
The factory once tested a KitFox biplane. I know
little about it, but understand that it flew OK.
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