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1. 03:17 AM - SV: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:35 AM - manuals (Fox5flyer)
3. 03:51 AM - Re: Jab report (Mike Chaney)
4. 04:20 AM - Re: Wheel pants installation instructions ()
5. 04:29 AM - Re: manuals (Fox5flyer)
6. 05:02 AM - Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (Dee Young)
7. 05:03 AM - Re: manuals (vft@aol.com)
8. 06:24 AM - SV: Jab report (Michel Verheughe)
9. 06:32 AM - Re: The tapering cowl I have a round cowl.... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
10. 06:59 AM - Re: The tapering cowl I have a round cowl.... (kitfox@gto.net)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (Lowell Fitt)
12. 09:11 AM - Re: Engine TBO (kurt schrader)
13. 12:25 PM - Project (Alan Daniels)
14. 12:56 PM - Re: Project (jdmcbean)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: Project (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
16. 02:02 PM - Re: Project (Alan Daniels)
17. 02:38 PM - Re: Project (Alan Daniels)
18. 09:07 PM - Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings (jimshumaker)
19. 09:10 PM - Re: Prop tape (jimshumaker)
20. 10:01 PM - Re: Speedster VS Standard Wings.... (Michael Gibbs)
21. 10:01 PM - Re: Engine TBOEngine TBO (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> When you have to land in winds
> gusting above 30 mph, it will be necessary to pin the plane to the runway
> with forward elevator.
I am not sure what you mean by forward elevator, Jim. If you mean, pushing the
stick forward ... wouldn't that be the best way to ... er, pitchpole - as you
like the maritime term? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Hi Dan. Found that I had leaky valve stems. Simple fix.
How's life? You still considering looking for a different job?
If I send you the money for shipping can I get those manuals? :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: <vft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: leaky tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com
>
> Hey Deke,
>
> Buy a set of Michelin "Air Stop" tubes. My hanger mate switched over to
these in his RV-8 and has not had to add any air in the past 9 months.
>
> Danny Melnik
> F1 #25
> Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: leaky tires
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> The 600x6 tires with Cleveland wheels on my S5 need refilling with air
much too
> often. Both seem to lose air at about the same rate and I can't find any
leaks.
> I've too many other things on my plate right now to be replacing the tubes
so I
> was wondering if there's a sealer that I can use that's safe and non
corrosive,
> and most of all, that will work. Anybody have any suggestions on this
stufff?
> Does anybody know how this stuff actually works? I don't want to cure one
> problem to cause yet another problem.
> Thanks,
> Deke
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
I have a Jabiru 2200 in my Model IV and my best advice would be to contact
Pete at Jabiru USA. I followed the exact specs he gave me for cooling and
have had no problem. I'm often concerned that what often sounds logical
isn't correct.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jab report
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Kurt,
kurt schrader wrote:
> If everything were perfect, the door would be in a low
> pressure area.
This is the interesting point on which I am not getting any wiser. My Jabiru
dealer tells me that the key to a cool engine is a larger outlet that sucks
the
air out, as opposed to an inlet the blows much air in.
Unless you want to toast marshmallows on your engine top, a large difference
of
pressure must be created between the top and the bottom of the engine room.
If we think of the door as an airfoil with a certain AoA, the upper side
(the
bottom of the cowling) is a low pressure as the air passes under (high
pressure) and sucks whatever is over it.
This is the reason my actual cowl flap is not working. While it "strangles"
the
outlet, it doesn't decreases the AoA of the "airfoil."
Imagine now the door (airfoil) being free to rotate to a stable position.
What
would it be? I think it will be such as the pressure is equal on both sides.
Where will that be? I think, not full open nor full closed.
I think about dynamic vs. static pressure, I think about guys like Bernoulli
and Venturi and I end up scratching my head with a big interrogation mark,
in a
bubble over it, fearing that a horn of my helmet may puncture it.
... could you please put instead a light bulb in my bubble? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants installation instructions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <gjglh@cebridge.net>
Norm,
Hank Seidel said he might have some and has offered to help me out. Thanks for
the reply.
Gary
On Wed May 25 17:40 , Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net> sent:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp nebchmp@wcc.net>
>
>Gary,
>
>I have the instructions if you still need them. Norm
>
>gjglh@cebridge.net wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@cebridge.net>
>>
>>
>> A fellow kitfoxer just gave me his wheel pants from his kitfox.
>>They are still in the rough and need to be made to fit. The
>>problem I have is that he has the instructions are to fit the
>>wheel pants to his standard gear. I have the aluminum spring gear
>>on my speedster. Does anyone have a copy of the installation
>>instructions for this type of gear?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Gary
>>M-IV speester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Oops. Sorry 'bout dat.
Meant to go private.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: manuals
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Hi Dan. Found that I had leaky valve stems. Simple fix.
> How's life? You still considering looking for a different job?
> If I send you the money for shipping can I get those manuals? :-)
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <vft@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: leaky tires
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com
> >
> > Hey Deke,
> >
> > Buy a set of Michelin "Air Stop" tubes. My hanger mate switched over to
> these in his RV-8 and has not had to add any air in the past 9 months.
> >
> > Danny Melnik
> > F1 #25
> > Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: leaky tires
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > The 600x6 tires with Cleveland wheels on my S5 need refilling with air
> much too
> > often. Both seem to lose air at about the same rate and I can't find
any
> leaks.
> > I've too many other things on my plate right now to be replacing the
tubes
> so I
> > was wondering if there's a sealer that I can use that's safe and non
> corrosive,
> > and most of all, that will work. Anybody have any suggestions on this
> stufff?
> > Does anybody know how this stuff actually works? I don't want to cure
one
> > problem to cause yet another problem.
> > Thanks,
> > Deke
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Amen, that has worked very well for me also.
Dee
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>
I have been trying really hard to stay out of this one..... So I am only
going to share one item of interest as it relates to the Kitfox. As an
instructor, it should be taught that one should not use the cowlings for
runway alignment.. that is on any aircraft.. but lets face it.. we all do..
some more then others. Your eyes pick it up as a reference.
The Kitfox round cowl slopes off about 20 degrees and this creates issues
with some. The smooth cowls aren't as bad but still slope off some. What I
have demonstrated on several occasions is to do a normal stabilized approach
to landing.. on short, short final take a peek at the slip/skid ball and
center it. You'll be surprised at the alignment. Once you see it.. it
becomes clear.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com
Actually, I've decided to hold them ransom until you come down and help finish
the Rocket:)
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
-----Original Message-----
From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: manuals
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Hi Dan. Found that I had leaky valve stems. Simple fix.
How's life? You still considering looking for a different job?
If I send you the money for shipping can I get those manuals? :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: <vft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: leaky tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com
>
> Hey Deke,
>
> Buy a set of Michelin "Air Stop" tubes. My hanger mate switched over to
these in his RV-8 and has not had to add any air in the past 9 months.
>
> Danny Melnik
> F1 #25
> Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: leaky tires
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> The 600x6 tires with Cleveland wheels on my S5 need refilling with air
much too
> often. Both seem to lose air at about the same rate and I can't find any
leaks.
> I've too many other things on my plate right now to be replacing the tubes
so I
> was wondering if there's a sealer that I can use that's safe and non
corrosive,
> and most of all, that will work. Anybody have any suggestions on this
stufff?
> Does anybody know how this stuff actually works? I don't want to cure one
> problem to cause yet another problem.
> Thanks,
> Deke
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Mike Chaney [mdps_mc@swoca.net]
> I have a Jabiru 2200 in my Model IV and my best advice would be to contact
> Pete at Jabiru USA. I followed the exact specs he gave me for cooling and
> have had no problem. I'm often concerned that what often sounds logical
> isn't correct.
I agree with you, Mike. Too much experimenting is not healthy. But I have no reason
to believe Pete knows more about the engine than my Scandinavian dealer.
He said: For my model 3 that flies slow, I need an outlet that is four times the
surface of the inlet. Which I did.
I know have an engine that goes to CHT 120C on the ground, take-off and initial
climb. That's good. But once on cruise, it creeps down to slightly under 100C.
I don't like it too much. I suggested to make a cowl flap and my dealer answered:
Go ahead.
Which I did. But, as I explained to the list, the design of it (strangling the
outlet without reducing the low pressure effect of its shape) doesn't work as
expected.
I also share Kurt's concerns as to watch carefully the CHT when closing the flap.
But my intention is to keep it open most of the time, only to close it down
on e.g. long descent.
I have placed the handle, in the cockpit, next to the carb heater. I like it that
way. Both use the same logic: On take-off: both pushed in. Long descent at
near idle, both pulled out.
My last remaining concern: How to make it fail-safe.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: The tapering cowl I have a round cowl.... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
Never had that issue.... had others LOL
But sighting was never an issue...
Which just goes to say.... different things effect different people
differently...
But reading and thinking about our comments before you go barreling down the
runway can only help! Wish I had all this input before I fly My KF 2
But, one guy said, go step by step. Do the easy stuff first and build your
skills over time..
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: The tapering cowl I have a round cowl.... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Dave i have a round cowl as well.
Forward vision is only restricted when tail is down and i am NOT
looking out to left a bit. I find it not a problem to turn plane
back and forth when taxing to see forward. When landing you are also
using your peripheral vision to judge hieght same as night flying.
When raining hard to see out windshield when it a mess so look out
side windows. Really sucks when windsreen gets iced over but not in
Kitfox :).
Flying a taildragger is a blast and you learn qucikly in a nice easy
handling plane like a Kitfox. If you feel not up to snuff on certain
procedures, better get some dual time with a CFI.
Training helps make a proficient plot.
Kirby
From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The tapering cowl I have a round cowl....
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> Never had that issue.... had others LOL
>
> But sighting was never an issue...
>
> Which just goes to say.... different things effect different people
> differently...
>
> But reading and thinking about our comments before you go barreling
down the
> runway can only help! Wish I had all this input before I fly My KF
2
>
> But, one guy said, go step by step. Do the easy stuff first and
build your
> skills over time..
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I think this is a great explanation that might demonstrate why there is no
one way, just a bunch of personal opinions based on a bunch of personal
reasons. My landing procedures are for an entirely different reason than
Steve's and for that reason are good for me.
Every landing is practice for when we fly in a group to the Idaho back
country. My home strip is fairly short ~ 1500 ft with displaced thresholds
both ends. I land short - hopefully on a spot and exit promptly to make
room for the guy following.
Quite often after what I would consider a hard opinion, I will scan previous
posts to try to determine what a guy is flying, behind what and where.
Sometimes I have had to search to find who posted the note as the name was
left off and the e-mail address is of the non descriptive variety.
Lowell
Model IV-1200 912UL 695 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>
> Why "increase the throttle" after a wheel landing?
>
> Try this one out for an explaination, to see down the runway. And that's
> generally why I pick the wheels over the 3 point.
>
> Next explaination, so I can get down to the end of the runway faster. Run
> it back up to 50 and pass the other person on the taxiway next to you that
> may have landed ahead of you that felt it necessary to get off on the
> first
> taxiway and is now going 10mph or slower on a taxiway to get to the same
> area as you. It's fun, try it some time. Besides if you touch down on a
> runway right at the beginning edge like I do, you have sometimes over 2000
> ft. left, why not run it up and keep the tail up until the last 500ft.
> Not
> only is it fun, but if something does go wrong just pull back on the stick
> and do a go around.
>
> Last explaination, If you run it back up and keep the tail up you can get
> a
> better idea of what is in the area, like I said above, you can see better.
> Also if I try to get off on the first taxiway I feel rushed and if rushed
> you make mistakes, like putting the brakes on. staying on the wheels a
> little longer lets you take the time to land the plane. I feel much more
> confortable slowly lowering the tail than just letting it drop.
>
> One more thing I do is on final I pull the throttle all the way back and
> make every landing like I had an engine out. Why? because when the day
> comes that I have an engine out I will know how to do it.
>
> All I can say is flying should be for fun, how we have fun is up to the
> pilot flying.
>
> steve a
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian
> Rodgers
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
>
> Why "increase the throttle" after a wheel landing?
> That is counter to your intent (assuming you WANT to slow down). Yeah, I
> was taught that, too, when learning to land a taildragger (my instructor
> said it was to "make it stick"). Hmmmm......
> I generally bring the throttle back to idle on downwind abeam the numbers
> and it stays there until I throttle up to taxi off of the runway and I do
> wheel landings most every time (3-pointers are akin to "squatting"). It's
> all about managing your momentum.
> The tail usually stays up until it can no longer sustain lift, then I set
> it
> gently to the pavement.
> Flying a tight pattern at idle is also good practice for engine-out
> landings
> (everyone practices those, right?), too.
> For you "squatting is safer types", I was riding with my partner as PIC on
> Saturday when he attempted a 3-pt landing, but misjudged the flair and we
> ended up bouncing back about 25 feet into the air AND the speed was WAY
> low
> AND the nose was pointed at the clouds. Not a desirable condition. A
> bounce during a wheel landing can happen the same way, but you still have
> "flying speed". 3-pt is not safer, in my book.
> Keep your feet dancing on the rudder pedals and you won't ground-loop. Of
> course, TOO much dancing might CAUSE the ground loop. ;o)
> Happy landings !
>
>
> Brian
> IV w/ CAP 140
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>>
>> I never said the 3 point is easier than wheels. My prefered landing is
>> wheels. And, even though I said 3 point for runway21 I still use wheels
>> landing on that, but, I end up putting the brakes on right as soon as I
>> land, but, that wears the brakes out, but is a lot of fun. You better
> have
>> some good experience because stick control is very needed to keep the
>> nose
>> over from happening. One last tip for wheel landing, take and have a
>> good
>> decent and at the last moment flair with only 1/4 stick back to 1/2 to
> slow
>> your decent and the wheels will greese right on the runway, way cool,
>> I've
>> had to look at the wheels to make sure I was down. Then of course push
>> forward on the stick and then increase the throttle.
>>
>> steve a
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>> FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]
>> To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com'
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]"
>> <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
>>
>> I'm just the opposite from Steve. I find wheel landings much easier than
>> 3-points. Descend, level off, as soon as the mains touch push forward on
>> the stick, let speed bleed away, pull back on stick to plant tail on
> ground
>> (or just let the tail settle to the ground and then pull back). I feel I
>> have full control of the airplane up to and including putting the tail
> down.
>> If it bounces, it means I didn't push forward on the stick immediately as
>> the wheels touched. The thing about a wheel landing is that the plane is
>> not stalled at touch down. The wheel landing will also get you down, no
>> matter what; gravity, you know :). I also like the advice that one
> should
>> practice and be proficient at both types of landing.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: customtrans@qwest.net [mailto:customtrans@qwest.net]
>> To: Kitfox Group
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>>
>> I would like to put in my take on wheel landings vs. three point.
>>
>> First off, if you are going for the wheel landings, you better have some
>> good instruction on such, and current instruction. My first instructor
>> believed in them and tried real hard to teach me to wheel land. I could
> do
>> it, but bounced all the time, he gave up and told me to 3 point and at
>> the
>> first time of trouble forget the pride and do a go around. After my
>> endorsement I did nothing but practice the wheel landing, why, because I
>> make better, things I have trouble with, just my personality.
>>
>> Second I want to say that the 3 point will get you down no matter what,
>> so
>> use it. I once touched the tail first and held it there for over a
>> 100ft.
>> very fun. There again, I like to try things that are hard and perfect if
> I
>> can. Whenever I have a situation that has a good cross wind or a
>> variable
>> situation I move over to the grass and do a 3 point, I find this to be
> just
>> smart piloting.
>>
>> Finally, YOU are the one that needs to make the decision on what landing
> you
>> are going to do. The 3point will get you down, the 2 point will tell
> others
>> you know what you are doing. It boils down to your pride, you wanting to
>> show off in a sense. I got to where I did the 3 point on runway 03 so I
> can
>> stay on the wheels to the end and then get off faster, the hanger was on
> the
>> east end. If I came in on 21 I did the 3 point so I can get off on the
>> first taxiway. One thing to remember on either landing, the first sign
>> of
>> trouble get back up in the air and do it again, don't try to save a bad
>> landing. There is a saying that goes, if you can't take a bad landing in
> 5
>> then buy a Bonanza. So expect to do a go around once in a few.
>>
>> steve a
>>
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
From everything I have heard, NSI engines will finally
break in at about 300 hrs. You'd never even get it
broken in if your rebuilt sooner.
I agree that this FOB should remain a more distant
friend.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Carter Ames <carter@offto.com> wrote:
>
> I'm looking at picking up a Kitfox IV that was built
> by my best friends father, and cant' fly any longer.
> He put in a Subaru NSI motor with more HP (that's
> all I know) and it's a tail dragger.
>
>
> The question I have is, who is responsible for
> annuals? Can I have my local FBO do an annual on
> that engine or is it entirely my responsability?
> The FBO said that I had to do a 200H overhaul of the
> engine for the Kitfoxes, but I dunno if he factored
> in that it was the Subaru engine instead of the
> Rotax.
>
>
> Thanks for any help!
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I was contacted by an individual that lives in Baker City, Oregon about
two projects he has that he would like to sell. I have not seen them but
a friend that is an A&P AI said he does very good work. He got
interested in a Helicopter. I am told that this is the way this
gentleman is and is not a reflection of the project. I am not selling
them for him and I am not associated with him in any way except that he
came to a few years ago asking about a Kitfox. I took him flying so he
could get the feel of the plane. He was an experienced pilot but had
never flow a tailwheel plane. He then bought a 2 and decided to teach
himself to fly it with predicable results. The first project is a model
4. It has the 912s out of the factory Lite Squared that flipped in the
wind and has about 50 hours on it. It has Grove gear, 8.50 x 6 tires,
Cleveland wheels and brakes. It has been registered but needs a little
final work and the air worthiness inspection. The next project is the
factory model 6 that was hit by the 182 that came into Skystars hangar.
I understand that it is complete and as damaged. He is looking for fair
offers on both of them. With the price of stuff now it could be a real
buy for someone. Call him direct for details. Mr. Radle 541-524-9312
These projects have not been advertised yet.
Alan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I don't think the engine is out of the Lite that flipped... it is out of
the Lite that was also involved in the hangar accident with the 182... The
engine out of the flipped over Lite ended up in the Blue and White Sport.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Daniels
Subject: Kitfox-List: Project
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I was contacted by an individual that lives in Baker City, Oregon about
two projects he has that he would like to sell. I have not seen them but
a friend that is an A&P AI said he does very good work. He got
interested in a Helicopter. I am told that this is the way this
gentleman is and is not a reflection of the project. I am not selling
them for him and I am not associated with him in any way except that he
came to a few years ago asking about a Kitfox. I took him flying so he
could get the feel of the plane. He was an experienced pilot but had
never flow a tailwheel plane. He then bought a 2 and decided to teach
himself to fly it with predicable results. The first project is a model
4. It has the 912s out of the factory Lite Squared that flipped in the
wind and has about 50 hours on it. It has Grove gear, 8.50 x 6 tires,
Cleveland wheels and brakes. It has been registered but needs a little
final work and the air worthiness inspection. The next project is the
factory model 6 that was hit by the 182 that came into Skystars hangar.
I understand that it is complete and as damaged. He is looking for fair
offers on both of them. With the price of stuff now it could be a real
buy for someone. Call him direct for details. Mr. Radle 541-524-9312
These projects have not been advertised yet.
Alan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/26/2005 4:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
aldaniels@fmtc.com writes:
two projects he has that he would like to sell. I have not seen them but
a friend that is an A&P AI said he does very good work. He got
interested in a Helicopter. I am told that this is the way this
Alan,
Just curious, is by any chance, the name Michael Garner who is
associated with the Helicopter?
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Thanks John. I really don't know much about these projects, I just
thought I would give my friends on this list a heads up about them and
let anyone interested check them out. I always seem to be just a little
late with the good deals. Someone usually gets there just before me. In
this case I just can't take on any new projects right now. I even need
to sell a couple of flying planes to make room and provide money to
complete the projects I have. This building airplanes is a sickness I
have, or at least that is what I have been told.
Alan
jdmcbean wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>I don't think the engine is out of the Lite that flipped... it is out of
>the Lite that was also involved in the hangar accident with the 182... The
>engine out of the flipped over Lite ended up in the Blue and White Sport.
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Daniels
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Project
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>I was contacted by an individual that lives in Baker City, Oregon about
>two projects he has that he would like to sell. I have not seen them but
>a friend that is an A&P AI said he does very good work. He got
>interested in a Helicopter. I am told that this is the way this
>gentleman is and is not a reflection of the project. I am not selling
>them for him and I am not associated with him in any way except that he
>came to a few years ago asking about a Kitfox. I took him flying so he
>could get the feel of the plane. He was an experienced pilot but had
>never flow a tailwheel plane. He then bought a 2 and decided to teach
>himself to fly it with predicable results. The first project is a model
>4. It has the 912s out of the factory Lite Squared that flipped in the
>wind and has about 50 hours on it. It has Grove gear, 8.50 x 6 tires,
>Cleveland wheels and brakes. It has been registered but needs a little
>final work and the air worthiness inspection. The next project is the
>factory model 6 that was hit by the 182 that came into Skystars hangar.
>I understand that it is complete and as damaged. He is looking for fair
>offers on both of them. With the price of stuff now it could be a real
>buy for someone. Call him direct for details. Mr. Radle 541-524-9312
>
>These projects have not been advertised yet.
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I don't know. I have only meet this Mr. Radle one time and talked to him
twice more.
Alan
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 5/26/2005 4:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>aldaniels@fmtc.com writes:
>
>two projects he has that he would like to sell. I have not seen them but
>a friend that is an A&P AI said he does very good work. He got
>interested in a Helicopter. I am told that this is the way this
>
>
>Alan,
> Just curious, is by any chance, the name Michael Garner who is
>associated with the Helicopter?
>
>Do Not Archive
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Michel
I did mean forward stick. That will pin the wheels to the ground.
Pitch poling is caused by sudden drag caused by soft ground or brakes locked
up or waves of uprecedented magnitude.
My apologies for not being clear.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Three Point vs. Wheel Landings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
>> When you have to land in winds
>> gusting above 30 mph, it will be necessary to pin the plane to the runway
>> with forward elevator.
>
> I am not sure what you mean by forward elevator, Jim. If you mean, pushing
> the stick forward ... wouldn't that be the best way to ... er, pitchpole -
> as you like the maritime term? :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Rick
The tape was not dimpled. I filled the nicks with JB weld epoxy as
recommended by Warp Drive. Just used a can of rustoleum spray paint for the
finish. I tried some stuff that said it was for epoxy prop repair but it
just peeled off in the weeds and rain.
Jim Shumaker
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| Subject: | Re: Speedster VS Standard Wings.... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Jimmy sez:
>I understand that with the clipped wing you gain a little speed but
>require a little more runway to takeoff and land. Any info would be
>greatly appreciated.
I dunno, Jimmy. My 912S powered Model IV Speedster (short wings)
could get off the ground in Phoenix (95 degrees F, 1475' field
elevation) in 120 feet solo (measured). I never felt like I gave up
much in the way of takeoff performance.
I liked the heavier wing loading, I think it rides better in
turbulence. And it certainly was responsive in roll (120 degrees per
second was the factory number, I believe).
It was easy to hit 125 - 130 mph or more in cruise at mid-altitudes
(4000 - 8000 feet) and top speed was near Vne. I took it up to
17,500 one day during the flight test period and it retained its
responsive handling and solid feel. At those altitudes I'm sure it
had lost any speed advantage over the long wings, though.
This topic has been discussed at length in the archives, you might
want to take a look through them.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Engine TBOEngine TBO |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Rick sez:
>If the builder got his repairman cert. he can sign off the annual
>you do if he wants to. Otherwise you are in no different position
>than GA, except you have to find someone familiar and willing to do
>the work.
One minor quibble: you are slightly better off than the rest of GA
because the mechanic signing-off an annual inspection on an
experimental category airplane does not need to have inspection
authorization (AI), just an airframe and power plant license (A&P).
I'm sure the guys at the local FBO know nothing about Subaru engines, though.
Mike G.
N728KF
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