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1. 08:03 AM - Re: SV: Props? (Andrew Matthaey)
2. 08:34 AM - VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips (Mike Couillard)
3. 08:35 AM - Re: Wheel pants installation instructions (Lynn Matteson)
4. 08:58 AM - Fw: Props? (kitfox@gto.net)
5. 10:43 AM - Re: Fw: Props? (Andrew Matthaey)
6. 11:05 AM - Re: Fw: Props? (kitfox@gto.net)
7. 11:17 AM - Re: A Fitting Question (kitfox@gto.net)
8. 12:27 PM - Re: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips (Alan Daniels)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips (Lowell Fitt)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: SV: Props? (Michel Verheughe)
11. 12:59 PM - Rivet guns (Greaves)
12. 01:03 PM - Re: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips (Mike Couillard)
13. 01:06 PM - Re: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips (Mike Couillard)
14. 01:28 PM - Re: Rivet guns (Hank Seidel)
15. 01:34 PM - Re: Rivet guns (Mike Couillard)
16. 01:35 PM - Re: Rivet guns (Brett Walmsley)
17. 01:39 PM - Re: Young Kitfox pilot (Michel Verheughe)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: Fw: Props? (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
19. 05:25 PM - Re: A Fitting Question (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
20. 06:08 PM - Re: Rivet guns (Chenoweth)
21. 07:36 PM - Re: Rivet guns (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
22. 08:59 PM - Re: Fw: Props? (Andrew Matthaey)
23. 09:01 PM - Re: Young Kitfox pilot (Andrew Matthaey)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
What was your cruise speed with the 582? I cruise about 70-75
But I cannot complain about my motor - she's got 118 hrs now. I climb like a
rocket - solo I can peg the VSI at 1200 fpm. At gross I still pull off an
impressive 700 fpm. On take-off, I am off the ground in the same distance as
my MX - 75 feet.
Andrew
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Props?
>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:48:46 +0200 (CEST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Andrew Matthaey [spaghettiohead@hotmail.com]
> > Speaking of Props...I've got a 582/C-box with a 68" 3-Blade GSC.
>
>Andrew, a Kitfox 3 with a 582, C box and 68" 3-bladed GSC is exactly what I
>had until this winter, when I changed the old 582 for a Jabiru 2200.
>I have also read that, theorically, a 2 bladed prop is more efficient. I
>have a 2 bladed prop on the Jabiru now. Because it simply can't swing a 3
>blades prop. But the 2 bladed is more noisy.
>In-flight adjustable pitch prop is also something I'd like to have. But my
>advice to you is: Stay with the prop you have now. How many hours do you
>have on your engine? You may soon discover that it is not eternal and that
>a new engine will also require a new prop. Maybe you should wait until then
>to make a decision.
>The configuration you have now worked very well for me. Even with 20 more
>horsepower, my Jabiru doesn't take off at a higher climb rate than the old
>582.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
>I am
> > looking at throwing a 2-blade powerfin on, probably 72". I know that
> > 2-blades are more efficient - does anybody have any numbers? Anyone use
>a
> > Powerfin?
> >
> > Also, I can't say I know much about in-flight props...How exactly does
>it
> > work with the motor? I've been told to keep my cruise RPM's up near 5800
>to
> > promote engine cleanliness. Is that correct? If I were to use an
>in-flight
> > prop, what would decide my fuel burn - the throttle position, or RPM
>(coming
> > from GA, i'd say the RPM does, but...)? Does anybody have an in-flight
>prop
> > who can give me any pointers?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Andrew
> >
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| Subject: | VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Hi:
Just a quick question. I see that the plans call for using adhesive
brushed on the foam tips to seal them. Is this a good way of doing it?
BTW, I'm using T-88 adhesive. I thought I saw another product suggested
at one point on the list or somewhere. Can't find reference to it and
don't remember what it was (you know how it is). Any ideas? Also would
be open to any ideas as to how to best shape these foam chunks. Seems
to me the file and sandpaper idea they suggest is a little crude but I
don't know since I haven't tried it yet. Did anyone out there practice
on something else before the real deal. What kind of foam to use for
practice?
Appreciate all ideas (as always)--thanks!!
Mike C
Series 5 Colorado Springs
Getting there (slow but sure...)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants installation instructions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I'm also looking for a set, as well as Jimmie, Brett, and others.
Lynn
do not archive
On Monday, May 30, 2005, at 02:50 PM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley"
> <kitfox4@numail.org>
>
> If someone finds a way to e-mail these instructions, I would also like
> to
> be included.
> Thanks
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>
>> Gary,
>> I should have a copy of the wheel pant installation. I have a
>> scanner and will try to send you a copy via e-mail some time today.
>> Roger Mac
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Thanks you for all the Tips on props from all. My GSC is working well
but if someone shows me numbers i maybe think about a change. And no
one has posted numbers but Andrew yet.
Andrew, I have struts and gear faired and get 90 mph at 5800
and 6000 rpm gives me 92 to 95 mph. IAS and i bet alot will argue but
i have taken gps and it coincides plus my dead reckoniung gives me the
same numbers in cruise.
My climb is like Andrews --1200 to 1300 fpm solo and at gross 1050 +
running 700 plus at 75 deg F. really no complaints with the GSC.
I have a narrow tap tip GSC with the black leading edge insert and have
flown in light rain and have had no pitting at all. I also burn
about 3.5 to 4 gal a hour (imperial gals.)
One question i got is my tail has a big opening above the horiz.Stab to
the tail. Will covering this up give me any extra MPH ? And will
cuffs on the Struts to wing attach help out too? Heck i might be able
to see 100 mph yet on a 582 ?
Kirby .......
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
95 mph? Nice...I know my bird's not the cleanest, but I'd like to try and
clean her up a bit. I've go tthe gear pants - not much I can do about the
fairings though.
Andrew
>From: kitfox@gto.net
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: Props?
>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:55:24 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
>Thanks you for all the Tips on props from all. My GSC is working well
>but if someone shows me numbers i maybe think about a change. And no
>one has posted numbers but Andrew yet.
>
>
>Andrew, I have struts and gear faired and get 90 mph at 5800
>and 6000 rpm gives me 92 to 95 mph. IAS and i bet alot will argue but
>i have taken gps and it coincides plus my dead reckoniung gives me the
>same numbers in cruise.
>
>My climb is like Andrews --1200 to 1300 fpm solo and at gross 1050 +
>running 700 plus at 75 deg F. really no complaints with the GSC.
>I have a narrow tap tip GSC with the black leading edge insert and have
>flown in light rain and have had no pitting at all. I also burn
>about 3.5 to 4 gal a hour (imperial gals.)
>
>One question i got is my tail has a big opening above the horiz.Stab to
>the tail. Will covering this up give me any extra MPH ? And will
>cuffs on the Struts to wing attach help out too? Heck i might be able
>to see 100 mph yet on a 582 ?
>
>
>Kirby .......
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Andrew, no wheel pants here, just tube gear is faired.
I got 16.5 x 8 x 8 wheels and land off strip many times.
Mud will clog up wheel pants and I prefer to not have them.
You got a space over your horiz stab. ?
Kirby
Subject: RE: Fw: Kitfox-List: Props?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
> 95 mph? Nice...I know my bird's not the cleanest, but I'd like to try
and
> clean her up a bit. I've go tthe gear pants - not much I can do
about the
> fairings though.
>
> Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: A Fitting Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Don, just catching up here.
I have seen in Canada some N numberd Kitfoxes and other homebuilts.
The A&P that sign them off on annuals are not always that tough I have
found.
They let go automotive rubber fuel lines. Fuel lines without fire
sleeves. Unsealed firewalls, Improper hardware as per AC 43.11 and
wiring as well.
Canada regs are a bit stiffer that US regs but some stuff is blatantly
barely fit when they sign off the annuals.
Kitfox here can be registered as Ultra light to a home built depending
on certain things they must be met.
on AN fittings for fuel line, look at the black line on KITFOX shut off
valves. They get hard and imo should be replaced. Tygon or urethane
seems to be very good replacements.
Kirby
> He is wrong. I think a lot of these FBO's, A&P's, long time
Pilots that
> have never been involved in Exp aircraft just simply apply what they
have
> seen on Certified aircraft. The use of good AN hardware is
certainly advised.
> I have another opinion on the barbed fittings. Once a hose is
pushed
> onto a barb fitting, it "almost" doesn't even need a clamp (seals
good). Also,
> "I believe" a hose should be pushed onto a barbed fitting only once.
When
> it gets removed for any reason, it tends to "tear" the inside of the
hose
> causing a good spot for small rubber particles to be torn loose and
end up in the
> Carb. So, if you pull one off for any reason, either trim the end
to expose
> new hose or replace it. If you have a hose that needs disconnecting
> regularly, use the AN type.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
File and sandpaper do work well. Use a hacksaw to get it close to the
right size first. This is something you just can not mess up because you
can just glue back any mistakes. The coating of adhesive is just to
make it firmer and give something to glue to. If it is not sealed with
something the polybrush will just wick through the fabic and you will
get pinholes. Do not use bondo as polytack will not stick to bondo. I
use epoxy resin with mico mixed in as I had some left over from a
Lancair project, but any fiberglass resin will work, as will the hysol.
I have not used the T-88.
Alan
Mike Couillard wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
>
>Hi:
>
>Just a quick question. I see that the plans call for using adhesive
>brushed on the foam tips to seal them. Is this a good way of doing it?
>BTW, I'm using T-88 adhesive. I thought I saw another product suggested
>at one point on the list or somewhere. Can't find reference to it and
>don't remember what it was (you know how it is). Any ideas? Also would
>be open to any ideas as to how to best shape these foam chunks. Seems
>to me the file and sandpaper idea they suggest is a little crude but I
>don't know since I haven't tried it yet. Did anyone out there practice
>on something else before the real deal. What kind of foam to use for
>practice?
>
>Appreciate all ideas (as always)--thanks!!
>
>Mike C
>Series 5 Colorado Springs
>Getting there (slow but sure...)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi, Mike,
My guess would be that they are just making do with what is in the kit. Not
a bad idea for simplicity. I used epoxy with microballoons. It is easier
to sand, but waiting for shipments or shopping for stuff mighe be more
costly in time than using what you already have.
I don't think it is necessary to practice. If you take off a bit too much
just fill with the adhesive.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
> <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> Just a quick question. I see that the plans call for using adhesive
> brushed on the foam tips to seal them. Is this a good way of doing it?
> BTW, I'm using T-88 adhesive. I thought I saw another product suggested
> at one point on the list or somewhere. Can't find reference to it and
> don't remember what it was (you know how it is). Any ideas? Also would
> be open to any ideas as to how to best shape these foam chunks. Seems
> to me the file and sandpaper idea they suggest is a little crude but I
> don't know since I haven't tried it yet. Did anyone out there practice
> on something else before the real deal. What kind of foam to use for
> practice?
>
> Appreciate all ideas (as always)--thanks!!
>
> Mike C
> Series 5 Colorado Springs
> Getting there (slow but sure...)
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> What was your cruise speed with the 582? I cruise about 70-75
Well, a bit more than you and a bit less than Kirby, Andrew! :-)
At 5,800 RPM, I was doing 80 t0 85 MPH. The other figures are pretty much the
same. However, I noted a difference of climb between the cold Norwegian winter
(best) and the few hot summer days we had (worst).
I don't know what is your OAT right now, where you live. But since 1,200 fpm is
what I got an a cool Norwegian day, it may be that your pitch is a tad too
fine. Don't quote me on this, wait for the advice from the pros. But I
understand that a pitch finer than mine would give better climb rate and slower
cruise speed. Again, before you start re-pitching your prop, make sure you
really want that. Usually the previous owner did a fine job at tuning the
plane. Never repair something that works!
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
Anyone know of a source for a very small rivet gun? More specifically, one with
a narrow clearance from the center of the rivet's shaft to the outer edge of
the gun? Want to get the rivets as close to the vertical of my trim tab control
horns and my gun will put the rivets a little too far from the vertical component
for my liking. Have heard of some simply grinding down a cheap gun to
get it closer. Any magic tricks I don't know about?
Regards,
Wade
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| Subject: | VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Thanks Lowell!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi, Mike,
My guess would be that they are just making do with what is in the kit.
Not a bad idea for simplicity. I used epoxy with microballoons. It is
easier to sand, but waiting for shipments or shopping for stuff mighe be
more costly in time than using what you already have.
I don't think it is necessary to practice. If you take off a bit too
much just fill with the adhesive.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
> <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> Just a quick question. I see that the plans call for using adhesive
> brushed on the foam tips to seal them. Is this a good way of doing
it?
> BTW, I'm using T-88 adhesive. I thought I saw another product
suggested
> at one point on the list or somewhere. Can't find reference to it and
> don't remember what it was (you know how it is). Any ideas? Also
would
> be open to any ideas as to how to best shape these foam chunks. Seems
> to me the file and sandpaper idea they suggest is a little crude but I
> don't know since I haven't tried it yet. Did anyone out there
practice
> on something else before the real deal. What kind of foam to use for
> practice?
>
> Appreciate all ideas (as always)--thanks!!
>
> Mike C
> Series 5 Colorado Springs
> Getting there (slow but sure...)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Thanks!! Great to hear these and Lowell's comments on this--I was
putting it off...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VS, HS, Rudder and Elevator tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
File and sandpaper do work well. Use a hacksaw to get it close to the
right size first. This is something you just can not mess up because you
can just glue back any mistakes. The coating of adhesive is just to
make it firmer and give something to glue to. If it is not sealed with
something the polybrush will just wick through the fabic and you will
get pinholes. Do not use bondo as polytack will not stick to bondo. I
use epoxy resin with mico mixed in as I had some left over from a
Lancair project, but any fiberglass resin will work, as will the hysol.
I have not used the T-88.
Alan
Mike Couillard wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard"
>--> <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
>
>Hi:
>
>Just a quick question. I see that the plans call for using adhesive
>brushed on the foam tips to seal them. Is this a good way of doing it?
>BTW, I'm using T-88 adhesive. I thought I saw another product
>suggested at one point on the list or somewhere. Can't find reference
>to it and don't remember what it was (you know how it is). Any ideas?
>Also would be open to any ideas as to how to best shape these foam
>chunks. Seems to me the file and sandpaper idea they suggest is a
>little crude but I don't know since I haven't tried it yet. Did anyone
>out there practice on something else before the real deal. What kind
>of foam to use for practice?
>
>Appreciate all ideas (as always)--thanks!!
>
>Mike C
>Series 5 Colorado Springs
>Getting there (slow but sure...)
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Seidel <hank@hankseidel.com>
Hi Wade,
Try a stack of very small washers over the mandrel. This makes an
"extension" of sorts for the head of the rivet puller. Tape them
together or they will go flying after the rivet "pops"
Hank
On May 31, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Greaves wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
>
> Anyone know of a source for a very small rivet gun? More
> specifically, one with a narrow clearance from the center of the
> rivet's shaft to the outer edge of the gun? Want to get the rivets as
> close to the vertical of my trim tab control horns and my gun will put
> the rivets a little too far from the vertical component for my liking.
> Have heard of some simply grinding down a cheap gun to get it closer.
> Any magic tricks I don't know about?
> Regards,
> Wade
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Couillard" <Mike.Couillard@aleutmgt.com>
Ditto that. I did something similar to get that extension. In my case
I used a proper size pop rivet after I removed the center shaft and cut
the head off with a dremmel cutoff wheel. Same idea, didn't think of
the washers though.
Mike Couillard
Series 5 (infancy)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hank Seidel
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rivet guns
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Seidel <hank@hankseidel.com>
Hi Wade,
Try a stack of very small washers over the mandrel. This makes an
"extension" of sorts for the head of the rivet puller. Tape them
together or they will go flying after the rivet "pops"
Hank
On May 31, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Greaves wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
>
> Anyone know of a source for a very small rivet gun? More
> specifically, one with a narrow clearance from the center of the
> rivet's shaft to the outer edge of the gun? Want to get the rivets as
> close to the vertical of my trim tab control horns and my gun will put
> the rivets a little too far from the vertical component for my liking.
> Have heard of some simply grinding down a cheap gun to get it closer.
> Any magic tricks I don't know about?
> Regards,
> Wade
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org>
I looked around myself and ended up at the grinder
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> It seems to be working, because I'm pretty happy with most of my
> landings ;)
I am sure you are doing fine, Andrew. You will be a great Kitfox pilot.
> I have the less-than-great
> doorlocks that came with the series 3, so during a slip, the outboard door
> has a tendency to swing open - startles the passengers a bit!
Yes, I have the same door lock. Last year, I flew for the first time to a small
airfield with a complicated approach pattern (because of the glider activity)
and just as I was doing it, looking at the map, the right hand door opened.
Maps were flying around in the cockpit. Remembering that my first duty was to
fly the plane, I just did that and landed with the door open. On the ground,
one guy was wondering if I had the habit of landing with the doors open. I gave
him the short answer ... yes! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/31/2005 1:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kitfox@gto.net writes:
Andrew, I have struts and gear faired and get 90 mph at 5800
and 6000 rpm gives me 92 to 95 mph. IAS and i bet alot will argue but
i have taken gps and it coincides plus my dead reckoniung gives me the
same numbers in cruise.
Kirby,
I would not argue your numbers. What you are getting is probably near
the top performance numbers for a Kitfox with a 582. I get around 85 at 5800.
However, I can get over 90 if I pitch over pitch the prop. Just curious,
what RPM's do you get if you push full throttle at level flight? If you are
getting that performance with the GSC, then a Warp "should" "maybe give you
5-10 MPH better.
BTW, my climb is only about 900 FPM. I got about 1100 when I first
started flying. Not sure why it isn't better now. Mine also weighted in at 667#
for an empty weight.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/31/2005 2:19:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kitfox@gto.net writes:
on AN fittings for fuel line, look at the black line on KITFOX shut off
valves. They get hard and imo should be replaced. Tygon or urethane
seems to be very good replacements.
Kirby
Well, that black line could be Mil -6000 which might get hard over time. I
agree that another choice might be better. I personally like the clear
Polyurethane or Auto hose (standard or fuel injection type). I haven't seen
either get hard or brittle. I think all rubber fuel lines should be replaced
at 2
year intervals.
Hate this subject
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
I guess you mean pop rivet puller. When I was building my Kitfox I agonized
over this. Ended up using the screw top of a sparkplug and grinding an
angle in it. The major difficulty is not having enough grip on the rivet's
mandrel.
I'm now in the wing phase of an RV9 and there are a few pop rivets very
close to bracket webs. The procedure is to grind the bejesus out of a
puller to the point where you actually can see the action in action. Works
well.
Bill
IV-1200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rivet guns
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
>
> Anyone know of a source for a very small rivet gun? More specifically,
one with a narrow clearance from the center of the rivet's shaft to the
outer edge of the gun? Want to get the rivets as close to the vertical of
my trim tab control horns and my gun will put the rivets a little too far
from the vertical component for my liking. Have heard of some simply
grinding down a cheap gun to get it closer. Any magic tricks I don't know
about?
> Regards,
> Wade
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
We have had good success with a wedge of aluminum with a hole to match the mandrel
that acts as beveled shim changing the direction of the "pull". A local Sonex
builder called me for Techinical Counsel when he could not get the puller
close to a pop rivet. Worked good for him as well.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley"
>
> I looked around myself and ended up at the grinder
>
>
>
>
>
>
We have had good success with a wedge of aluminum with a hole to match the mandrelthat
acts as beveled shim changing the direction of the "pull". A local Sonex
builder called me for Techinical Counsel when he could not get the puller close
to a pop rivet. Worked good for him as well.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <KITFOX4@NUMAIL.ORG>
I looked around myself and ended up at the grinder
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
What about a 2-blade Powerfin though, that oughta give me a bit better in
cruise though, right? What about climb?
Andrew
>From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Fw: Kitfox-List: Props?
>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:17:32 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 5/31/2005 1:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>kitfox@gto.net writes:
>
>
>Andrew, I have struts and gear faired and get 90 mph at 5800
>and 6000 rpm gives me 92 to 95 mph. IAS and i bet alot will argue but
>i have taken gps and it coincides plus my dead reckoniung gives me the
>same numbers in cruise.
>
>
>Kirby,
> I would not argue your numbers. What you are getting is probably
>near
>the top performance numbers for a Kitfox with a 582. I get around 85 at
>5800.
> However, I can get over 90 if I pitch over pitch the prop. Just
>curious,
>what RPM's do you get if you push full throttle at level flight? If you
>are
>getting that performance with the GSC, then a Warp "should" "maybe give
>you
>5-10 MPH better.
> BTW, my climb is only about 900 FPM. I got about 1100 when I first
>started flying. Not sure why it isn't better now. Mine also weighted in
>at 667#
>for an empty weight.
>
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>Yes, I have the same door lock. Last year, I flew for the first time to a
>small
>airfield with a complicated approach pattern (because of the glider
>activity)
>and just as I was doing it, looking at the map, the right hand door opened.
>Maps were flying around in the cockpit. Remembering that my first duty was
>to
>fly the plane, I just did that and landed with the door open. On the
>ground,
>one guy was wondering if I had the habit of landing with the doors open. I
>gave
>him the short answer ... yes! :-)
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
If I'm not trying to get anywhere fast, or trying to read a map, I love
flying with the doors open - I'm a big fan of open-air, coming from an MX.
Plus, I can get some really great aerial shots because the strut attach
points are just aft of the doors, leaving a kitfox pilot plenty of room to
take pictures! I'm actually starting to think about trying to sell some
aerial photographs on the side...work my way through college and pay off my
plane at the same time ;)
Andrew
>
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