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1. 09:40 AM - Re: Powerfin prop (Andrew Matthaey)
2. 09:55 AM - Re: Powerfin prop (Andrew Matthaey)
3. 10:10 AM - Re: Powerfin prop (Aerobatics@aol.com)
4. 10:24 AM - Re: Powerfin prop (Fred Shiple)
5. 10:27 AM - Re: Powerfin prop (Andrew Matthaey)
6. 10:30 AM - Re: Off-topic but funny (Michel Verheughe)
7. 10:34 AM - Low fuel. WAS Powerfin prop (Michel Verheughe)
8. 10:57 AM - Good post Andrew (Harris, Robert)
9. 11:04 AM - Re: Low Fuel and decisions.. was Powerfin prop (jdmcbean)
10. 11:15 AM - Fuel Burn (Aerobatics@aol.com)
11. 11:38 AM - Re: Fuel Burn (Andrew Matthaey)
12. 11:40 AM - Re: Good post Andrew (Andrew Matthaey)
13. 11:55 AM - Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... (Aerobatics@AOL.COM)
14. 11:55 AM - Re: Low Fuel and decisions (Michel Verheughe)
15. 12:37 PM - Re: Low Fuel and decisions (Andrew Matthaey)
16. 12:38 PM - Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... (Andrew Matthaey)
17. 12:52 PM - Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
18. 01:04 PM - Re: Tyres (Lynn Matteson)
19. 02:38 PM - Re: Series V-VII parts for sale (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
20. 05:26 PM - Re: Fuel Burn (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
21. 05:59 PM - Re: Wheel pants installation instructions ()
22. 07:45 PM - Re: Wheel pants installation instructions (Lynn Matteson)
23. 09:27 PM - Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... (Andrew Matthaey)
24. 09:30 PM - Re: Fuel Burn (Andrew Matthaey)
25. 09:34 PM - Engine RPM was: Fuel Burn (Andrew Matthaey)
26. 11:04 PM - Re: Engine RPM was: Fuel Burn (John Perry)
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Lack of responsibility? I don't think so, but thanks for sharing!
Number 1: I was solo. I had no passenger, so it was "my own tail" I was
risking. I certainly would have stopped at one of the numerous airports
along the way for some AvGas had I been carrying a passenger.
Number 2: I was planning on refueling at AUG anyway. I had my friend bring a
jerry-can with him when he met me. When we got to the gas station, I looked
inside the can and found crud floating around in some old fuel, and a few
blades of grass. I was not going to put anything from that can into my
plane.
Number 3: I still had "outs." I had Sanford Airport within range, as well as
the sod farm.
Number 4: Winds were forecast to be light and variable up to 6K. They had
apparently picked up as a HW on the way home.
And If you re-read my post, you will find that I also posted a few lessons
learned from that flight as well. What exactly is it that you want me to
feel? I don't quite understand, buddy! Was I nervous at the time? Damn
right...Do I feel a little lucky? Again, damn right! The decisions I made
during that flight took into account the entire situation, and any varibles
I can think of. They may not have been the perfect decisions that I am sure
you ALWAYS make, but then again, you are in no position to criticize me on
them! What is that they say in the Military? It takes a split second for a
soldier to make a decision in combat - and then the brass have years to tear
it apart. Rick, please spare me :)
By posting my story, Rick, my intent was to bring my experience to the rest
of the group, so that others may learn from it. Is that not what these lists
are for? And so finally, thank you for your concern, or lack there-of...
Andrew
>From: RGray67968@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Powerfin prop
>Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:24:39 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
>
>This kind of flying/fuel management shows a complete lack of
>responsibility.....and the fact that you post it as if you were 'bragging'
>about it amazes me.
>If the wind was 1kt in your face you'd be dead right now. Thanks for
>sharing.....I'll be sure to never fly around you or with you.
>
>Yup....sometimes the truth hurts....maybe this will knock some sense into
>you
>before you kill yourself.
>
>Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - Kitfox sold, RV6 Flying, RV8
>Finishing, F1 Rocket will be here in 10 days.
>
>
>Oh, and I flew my first x-country in the 'fox yesterday...I left my home
>airport KDAW at 3.15p for KAUG (Augusta, ME) about 100 miles away. Had a
>great flight, met a friend for some Dairy Queen, and headed back home. I
>was
>getting nervous about my fuel state so I shut-off my left wing-tank with
>less than a quarter gallon in it - just in case. I was still 15 miles out
>of
>the airport over solid trees at 2K when my engine started sputtering and
>damn near quit! But I was faster than Superman getting that fuel valve
>open
>and ready with a shot of primer...I eased up on the throttle and entered
>the
>pattern - I was dismayed when, on final approach, I saw the last of my
>fuel
>drip through the in-line filter in the cockpit...I had just enough to
>land,
>taxi off, and even park in front of my hangar ;)
>
>What a great day! Two of my buddies were pulling their planes out, so I
>threw another 5 gallons in my right tank and went out for another 1 hr or
>so
>enjoying the evening and taking lots of pictures! So I got to log 4.1 on
>my
>day off...
>
>Anyway, lessons learned: No more than 3 hrs. at cruise anymore! That
>leaves
>me a comfortable reserve. Number 2: Get a small gas can that I can sling
>behind my seat, just in case!
>
>Also, I was using Marvel Mystery Oil for the first time - It seemed to
>work
>okay. I'm gonna pull out the plugs in a couple hours and see how they
>look...Does anybody else use MMO in their 2-strokes?
>
>Andrew
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
I have to agree with you Dave. I have never landed before without a healthy
load of fuel on board. And different decisions would have been made had I
been carrying a passenger. I am a bit disappointed though that people here
on this group don't understand that.
I had been told my fuel burn was a bit less than what I found it was. This
important because I have no fuel gauges, and apparently, the fuel level in
the wing tank sites is unreliable! Another lesson learned.
You know what's unfortunate? I probably just shot myself in the foot by
posting this story. Now I've got listers like Dave and crazy Rick wondering
just how bad my judgement in the air is. I am not going to get into a
pissing-match with anybody about my decisions because no two situations are
the same.
Andrew
>From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Powerfin prop
>Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:12:06 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>I too find this story rather extrodinary being somewhat am paranoid about
>fuel. I try to keep very close tabs on my fuel and never have less than
>one
>hour left when I shut down. I believe I fit into the majority here
>
>In fact, I think I never have landed with less than hour plus at shut
>down.
>
>Point is we have a few things in our control... thats one of them.
>
>Heaven forbid, I may still run out of fuel some day, or make some other
>dumb
>mistake, but this is a lesson to how some people manage risk.
>
>Pretty scarey, makes one think about how he manages other decisions, like
>to
>go or not to go re weather and so on.
>
>Imagine if he had a passenger? That additional payload might have made
>the
>diference of NOT making it and then who knows? !
>
>
>That type of accident refelcts on ALL of us, especially in the media.
>.....
>I also cringe when someone busts a TFR and it makes headline News. Puts
>us
>one step closer to loosing the freedom of flight. Fact it we are not a
>security risk at all, but that doesnt makes news.
>
>I really dont like to be critical about other pilots, I am far far from
>perfect, but the story is a lesson...
>
>Fly safe,
>
>Dave Patrick
>KF 2 582 BH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 6/6/2005 11:56:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
I have to agree with you Dave. I have never landed before without a healthy
load of fuel on board. And different decisions would have been made had I
been carrying a passenger. I am a bit disappointed though that people here
on this group don't understand that.
I had been told my fuel burn was a bit less than what I found it was. This
important because I have no fuel gauges, and apparently, the fuel level in
the wing tank sites is unreliable! Another lesson learned.
You know what's unfortunate? I probably just shot myself in the foot by
posting this story. Now I've got listers like Dave and crazy Rick wondering
just how bad my judgement in the air is. I am not going to get into a
pissing-match with anybody about my decisions because no two situations are
the same.
Andrew
Well, a lesson learned and a reminder to all of us!
PS I carefully fill my tanks, fly for a couple hours and refill to get an
accurate fuel rate ... in fact a few times to be sure....
In my plane I flight plan 4.5 gallons per hour and its always a bit less.
Best of luck!
Respectfully Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Andrew,
Thanks for the education. It takes a lot of guts to
'fess up and since most of us aren't perfect, most of
us can learn from your experience.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
What kind of engine have you got Dave? I found I burned about 5 gph at 5800
rpm cruise on my 582...I don't like pushing her that hard, so I think I'll
stick with 5500 and below - I only lose a few mph.
Andrew
>From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Powerfin prop
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:09:54 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 6/6/2005 11:56:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
>spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>I have to agree with you Dave. I have never landed before without a
>healthy
>load of fuel on board. And different decisions would have been made had I
>been carrying a passenger. I am a bit disappointed though that people here
>on this group don't understand that.
>
>I had been told my fuel burn was a bit less than what I found it was. This
>important because I have no fuel gauges, and apparently, the fuel level in
>the wing tank sites is unreliable! Another lesson learned.
>
>You know what's unfortunate? I probably just shot myself in the foot by
>posting this story. Now I've got listers like Dave and crazy Rick
>wondering
>just how bad my judgement in the air is. I am not going to get into a
>pissing-match with anybody about my decisions because no two situations
>are
>the same.
>
>Andrew
>
>
>Well, a lesson learned and a reminder to all of us!
>
>PS I carefully fill my tanks, fly for a couple hours and refill to get an
>accurate fuel rate ... in fact a few times to be sure....
>
>In my plane I flight plan 4.5 gallons per hour and its always a bit less.
>
>Best of luck!
>
>Respectfully Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off-topic but funny |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Guy Buchanan wrote:
> It would be funny if it weren't TRUE.
I found this text on another list, Guy. I guess it has already been circulating
on many lists. A shame the name of the original author was not included, though.
What I find interesting in it is how it seems to be touching us all, whatever
the list is dedicated about. It confirms my life-long feeling that we, the
people of earth, are so much the same, wherever we live, whatever interests us,
whoever we are. It also shows that racism has no foundation because, whatever
our skin colour or ethnic belonging, we are all so much the same, all members
of the same big family. We all have the same hopes, facing the same problems
and, sometimes, are equally ... annoying! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Low fuel. WAS Powerfin prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hey guys! Remember to change the title when the subject changes. Thanks.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: Also remember that your mother is not working here! :-)
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| Subject: | Good post Andrew |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Good post Andrew. Go fly and have fun.
By the way you may want to search the archives for slips and low fuel. On
some KF models, when you perform slips and steep descents with less than
approximately 5 gallons of fuel your engine could quit from fuel starvation.
Robert
Andrew,
Thanks for the education. It takes a lot of guts to
'fess up and since most of us aren't perfect, most of
us can learn from your experience.
Fred
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| Subject: | Low Fuel and decisions.. was Powerfin prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Andrew,
Thanks for sharing your experiences so that others can learn from them.....
A good pilot always evaluates what's happened so he can apply what he's
learned....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:30:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
What kind of engine have you got Dave? I found I burned about 5 gph at 5800
rpm cruise on my 582...I don't like pushing her that hard, so I think I'll
stick with 5500 and below - I only lose a few mph.
I normally cruise at 5,600 to 5,800. 5,800 rarely used.... but it also
depends on prop, pitch and plane... :-)
I can get 4 GPH, but 4.5 works out real well for my combination...
KF 2
582 BH IVO 3 blade prop
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
Andrew
>From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:14:47 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:30:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
>spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
>
>What kind of engine have you got Dave? I found I burned about 5 gph at
>5800
>rpm cruise on my 582...I don't like pushing her that hard, so I think I'll
>stick with 5500 and below - I only lose a few mph.
>
>I normally cruise at 5,600 to 5,800. 5,800 rarely used.... but it also
>depends on prop, pitch and plane... :-)
>
>I can get 4 GPH, but 4.5 works out real well for my combination...
>
>KF 2
>582 BH IVO 3 blade prop
>Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Good post Andrew |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Yep - I've heard that...about the Cessna's and Arrow's I fly as well...But
nobody ever slips these GA beasts anymore - it's a lost art, huh? Anyway,
I'll definately be careful about slipping with low fuel, though I plan to
not ever get that low anymore :)
Andrew
>From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: "'kitfox-list@matronics.com'" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Good post Andrew
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:56:55 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
><Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>Good post Andrew. Go fly and have fun.
>By the way you may want to search the archives for slips and low fuel. On
>some KF models, when you perform slips and steep descents with less than
>approximately 5 gallons of fuel your engine could quit from fuel
>starvation.
>
>
>Robert
>
>
>Andrew,
>Thanks for the education. It takes a lot of guts to
>'fess up and since most of us aren't perfect, most of
>us can learn from your experience.
>Fred
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 6/6/2005 1:40:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
re: fuel cans.... I rinse out my cans everytime with a bit of fresh gas
from pump and pour that out into the last can for my mower and car... this
assures clean, water free fuel.... in my plane... Cans are filled to the Brim
and kept in garage, in shade... and I dont keep for more than a cpl months
ever. If so, in my car it goes...
Maybe thats extreeme.... but I have a big yard....LOL and mower quiting is
just inconvient ...it never has...
How big is your fuel tanks?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel and decisions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
jdmcbean wrote:
> Thanks for sharing your experiences so that others can learn from them.....
Indeed John, an experience is always worth sharing. Talking about low fuel ...
Saturday was our neighbour airport Torp ENTO airshow day. I was to fly
formation with two Rans but since it was raining, visibility 3,000 meter,
ceiling 400 feet, it was no VFR and the airshow was sadly cancelled.
But the evening before, a Swedish Chipmunk aircraft was to come to the airshow
when it got lost just over the Norwegian border. With only 45 minutes fuel, the
pilot called Rygge ENRY tower (the closest place) and asked for help. Since
Rygge is military and also a SAR station, they sent a SeaKing SAR helicopter to
show the way across the fjord and to Torp.
I got the story from a hangar mate, who works at Torp and saw the leading
helicopter, the Chipmunk following and the Swedish pilot thanking a lot the
crew of the helicopter for the service rendered.
The bottom line: These guys are there to help us. And always remember the four
Cs of surprising IMC conditions: Climb, Communicate, Confess and Comply.
(Not trying to show off. Just something I read and try to remember. I hope I'll
never find myself in such a situation, though).
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel and decisions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
That is my first priority - a radio, just for something like that! Right now
I've got a scanner, so at least I can listen...
Andrew
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel and decisions
>Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:55:08 +0200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>jdmcbean wrote:
> > Thanks for sharing your experiences so that others can learn from
>them.....
>
>Indeed John, an experience is always worth sharing. Talking about low fuel
>...
>Saturday was our neighbour airport Torp ENTO airshow day. I was to fly
>formation with two Rans but since it was raining, visibility 3,000 meter,
>ceiling 400 feet, it was no VFR and the airshow was sadly cancelled.
>
>But the evening before, a Swedish Chipmunk aircraft was to come to the
>airshow
>when it got lost just over the Norwegian border. With only 45 minutes fuel,
>the
>pilot called Rygge ENRY tower (the closest place) and asked for help. Since
>Rygge is military and also a SAR station, they sent a SeaKing SAR
>helicopter to
>show the way across the fjord and to Torp.
>I got the story from a hangar mate, who works at Torp and saw the leading
>helicopter, the Chipmunk following and the Swedish pilot thanking a lot the
>crew of the helicopter for the service rendered.
>
>The bottom line: These guys are there to help us. And always remember the
>four
>Cs of surprising IMC conditions: Climb, Communicate, Confess and Comply.
>(Not trying to show off. Just something I read and try to remember. I hope
>I'll
>never find myself in such a situation, though).
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
I've got a 6 gallon left-wing tank and an 18 gallon right-wing tank...I
never use fuel more than a few weeks old...and I always fill the cans all
the way up too. Unfortunately, I have nowhere to put bad fuel!
Andrew
>From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn gas cans ...
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:54:39 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 6/6/2005 1:40:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
>spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
>
>Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
>saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
>
>
>re: fuel cans.... I rinse out my cans everytime with a bit of fresh gas
>from pump and pour that out into the last can for my mower and car...
>this
>assures clean, water free fuel.... in my plane... Cans are filled to the
>Brim
>and kept in garage, in shade... and I dont keep for more than a cpl months
>ever. If so, in my car it goes...
>
>Maybe thats extreeme.... but I have a big yard....LOL and mower quiting is
>just inconvient ...it never has...
>
>How big is your fuel tanks?
>
>Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Thanks for standing tall, Andrew. You might want to check the capacity of your
"18 gallon" take. It could be just 13 gallon.
John Kerr, with one dead stick on record......
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
>
>
> I've got a 6 gallon left-wing tank and an 18 gallon right-wing tank...I
> never use fuel more than a few weeks old...and I always fill the cans all
> the way up too. Unfortunately, I have nowhere to put bad fuel!
>
> Andrew
>
> >From: Aerobatics@aol.com
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn gas cans ...
> >Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:54:39 EDT
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 6/6/2005 1:40:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
> >saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
> >
> >
> >re: fuel cans.... I rinse out my cans everytime with a bit of fresh gas
> >from pump and pour that out into the last can for my mower and car...
> >this
> >assures clean, water free fuel.... in my plane... Cans are filled to the
> >Brim
> >and kept in garage, in shade... and I dont keep for more than a cpl months
> >ever. If so, in my car it goes...
> >
> >Maybe thats extreeme.... but I have a big yard....LOL and mower quiting is
> >just inconvient ...it never has...
> >
> >How big is your fuel tanks?
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
>
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>
Thanks for standing tall, Andrew. You might want to check the capacity of your
"18 gallon" take. It could be just 13 gallon.
John Kerr, with one dead stick on record......
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<SPAGHETTIOHEAD@HOTMAIL.COM>
I've got a 6 gallon left-wing tank and an 18 gallon right-wing tank...I
never use fuel more than a few weeks old...and I always fill the cans all
the way up too. Unfortunately, I have nowhere to put bad fuel!
Andrew
From: Aerobatics@aol.com
Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn gas cans ...
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:54:39 EDT
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 6/6/2005 1:40:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
spaghettiohead@hotmail.com wri
tes:
Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
re: fuel cans.... I rinse out my cans everytime with a bit of fresh gas
from pump and pour that out into the last can for my mower and car...
this
assures clean, water free fuel.... in my plane... Cans are filled to the
Brim
and kept in garage, in shade... and I dont keep for more than a cpl months
ever. If so, in my car it goes...
Maybe thats extreeme.... but I have a big yard....LOL and mower quiting is
just inconvient ...it never has...
How big is your fuel tanks?
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
What brand are yours, Rex? And size, etc.?
Lynn
On Sunday, June 5, 2005, at 06:05 PM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Goodyear has them, 16.5x6.50x8.00 4 ply. I can get you a stock number
> if
>> you want. The ones I bought are primarily for Golf Carts and cost 18
> bucks
>> apiece.
>>
>> I have about 200 landings on mine with no problem.
>
> Lynn,
> If it's any help these tyres sound like the same as what I
> bought
> here in Australia but we call them Lawnmower tyres.
> Anyway they are brilliant in my opinion. They are slightly rounded
> with very
> mild tread pattern. The original scrubbed down ATV tyres did touch a
> bit
> inside the wheel pants but these don't. A better all round choice I
> think. I
> got punctures all the time with the original tyres but haven't had one
> with
> these. Originally I fitted them without tubes and was getting slight
> leaking around where the brake disc mounting lugs were welded to the
> rims.
> So just check that area on your rims and if in doubt fit tubes first
> up. By
> the way it is interesting to note they are $18 US as they were $63AU
> and I
> was happy at that.
> Also another small point is I run 14PSI in them.
>
> Rex.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Series V-VII parts for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
For those who have a series 5, 6, or 7, I have a few original parts left
over due mainly to upgrades and mods. All of these parts are new and have been
kept in an air conditioned basement.
Primarily, I still have a SkyStar original windshield. I did have it sold,
but honestly, the shipping was too expensive and far outweighed the benefit
of selling it. So if anyone lives in the DC metro area, or anyone wants to
drive to the area, the windshield is free -- come get it. I just need to get
it out of the house, before the wife divorces me!
I also have the original bungee gear with axles. It's powder coated in
white and is virtually unused. The first $75 gets it.
I upgraded to manual trim and therefore the original elevator is available.
It is covered with polyfiber, but is not painted. Like the gear, it is
unused and has never seen the light of day.
More to come later on.
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/6/2005 2:40:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
Andrew
Andrew,
You took a lot of heat but, don't feel you are the only one. I have
been blasted a couple times myself and it's sometimes hard to swallow. I left
the list over one issue but couldn't stand not getting all this good
information so, swallowed my pride and came back.
You are 100% correct that most of us have pulled some dumb stunts at one
time or another. I have done my share.
Now, for a couple issues, 5800-6000 has been the RPM of choice for
cruise. This has been substantiated by several web articles, numerous 582 drivers
and a Rotax dealer or two. I'm talking over 10 years of List discussions on
this one subject. One this that nobody commented on was the use of Marvel
Mystery oil as two stroke oil. I think this is a big no-no and again, has been
a discussion many times in the past. I would recommend you use a good 2
stroke oil. Pennzoil for "AIR" cooled Engines is again, one of the most widely
used oils. It is fairly inexpensive and easy to fine. There has been some
582 testing using several oils and Pennzoil held up just as good if not better
than other brands tested. Using Marvel oil or any other motor oil is asking
for trouble.
With Respect,
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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| Subject: | Wheel pants installation instructions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <gjglh@cebridge.net>
Roger,
Were you able to scan your wheel pants installation drawings. They sure would
be appreciated.
Thanks
Gary
On Mon May 30 9:47 , 'Donna and Roger McConnell' rdmac@swbell.net> sent:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
rdmac@swbell.net>
>
>Gary,
> I should have a copy of the wheel pant installation. I have a
>scanner and will try to send you a copy via e-mail some time today.
> Roger Mac
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com','','','')">owner-kitfox-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>gjglh@cebridge.net
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel pants installation instructions
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@cebridge.net>
>
>
>Norm,
>
>It looks like the instructions that Hank had were for the tube gear. If
>yours are for
>the spring I sure would like to get a copy.
>Gary Henderson
>1808 Sandstone
>Weatherford, OK 73096
>
>P.S.
>I will reinburse you for any expenses. If you don't mind I could send Hank a
>copy
>after I receive them.
>Thanks
>Gary Mdl IV Speedster
>
>On Wed May 25 17:40 , Norm Beauchamp nebchmp@wcc.net> sent:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp nebchmp@wcc.net>
>>
>>Gary,
>>
>>I have the instructions if you still need them. Norm
>>
>>gjglh@cebridge.net wrote:
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@cebridge.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> A fellow kitfoxer just gave me his wheel pants from his kitfox.
>>>They are still in the rough and need to be made to fit. The
>>>problem I have is that he has the instructions are to fit the
>>>wheel pants to his standard gear. I have the aluminum spring gear
>>>on my speedster. Does anyone have a copy of the installation
>>>instructions for this type of gear?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Gary
>>>M-IV speester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants installation instructions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
...yes, by several of us on the group. I for one.
Thanks,
Lynn
On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 08:58 PM, <gjglh@cebridge.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <gjglh@cebridge.net>
>
> Roger,
> Were you able to scan your wheel pants installation drawings. They
> sure would
> be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Burn gas cans ... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Jeesh - I meant 13 gallons - for 18 total ;) Don't worry...I didnt make that
mistake. I know it's always been one jerry-can for the left tank and two for
the right!
Andrew
>From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn gas cans ...
>Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:51:36 +0000
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
>Thanks for standing tall, Andrew. You might want to check the capacity of
>your "18 gallon" take. It could be just 13 gallon.
>
>John Kerr, with one dead stick on record......
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> >
> >
> > I've got a 6 gallon left-wing tank and an 18 gallon right-wing tank...I
> > never use fuel more than a few weeks old...and I always fill the cans
>all
> > the way up too. Unfortunately, I have nowhere to put bad fuel!
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > >From: Aerobatics@aol.com
> > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn gas cans ...
> > >Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:54:39 EDT
> > >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 6/6/2005 1:40:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > >spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > >Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd
>be
> > >saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >re: fuel cans.... I rinse out my cans everytime with a bit of fresh gas
> > >from pump and pour that out into the last can for my mower and car...
> > >this
> > >assures clean, water free fuel.... in my plane... Cans are filled to
>the
> > >Brim
> > >and kept in garage, in shade... and I dont keep for more than a cpl
>months
> > >ever. If so, in my car it goes...
> > >
> > >Maybe thats extreeme.... but I have a big yard....LOL and mower quiting
>is
> > >just inconvient ...it never has...
> > >
> > >How big is your fuel tanks?
> > >
> > >Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>Thanks for standing tall, Andrew. You might want to check the capacity of
>your "18 gallon" take. It could be just 13 gallon.
>
>John Kerr, with one dead stick on record......
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> <SPAGHETTIOHEAD@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
> I've got a 6 gallon left-wing tank and an 18 gallon right-wing tank...I
> never use fuel more than a few weeks old...and I always fill the cans all
> the way up too. Unfortunately, I have nowhere to put bad fuel!
>
> Andrew
>
> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
> Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn gas cans ...
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:54:39 EDT
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/6/2005 1:40:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> spaghettiohead@hotmail.com wri
> tes:
>
> Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
> saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
>
>
> re: fuel cans.... I rinse out my cans everytime with a bit of fresh gas
> from pump and pour that out into the last can for my mower and car...
> this
> assures clean, water free fuel.... in my plane... Cans are filled to the
> Brim
> and kept in garage, in shade... and I dont keep for more than a cpl
>months
> ever. If so, in my car it goes...
>
> Maybe thats extreeme.... but I have a big yard....LOL and mower quiting
>is
> just inconvient ...it never has...
>
> How big is your fuel tanks?
>
> Dave
>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> htt
> p://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
I guess I wasn't clear in my post - I used MMO as an additive to the fuel
only...I would never give up my Pennzoil ;) for any other 2-stroke oil!
Andrew
>From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:25:19 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 6/6/2005 2:40:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
>saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
>
>Andrew
>
>
>Andrew,
> You took a lot of heat but, don't feel you are the only one. I have
>been blasted a couple times myself and it's sometimes hard to swallow. I
>left
>the list over one issue but couldn't stand not getting all this good
>information so, swallowed my pride and came back.
> You are 100% correct that most of us have pulled some dumb stunts at
>one
>time or another. I have done my share.
> Now, for a couple issues, 5800-6000 has been the RPM of choice for
>cruise. This has been substantiated by several web articles, numerous 582
>drivers
>and a Rotax dealer or two. I'm talking over 10 years of List discussions
>on
>this one subject. One this that nobody commented on was the use of Marvel
>Mystery oil as two stroke oil. I think this is a big no-no and again, has
>been
>a discussion many times in the past. I would recommend you use a good 2
>stroke oil. Pennzoil for "AIR" cooled Engines is again, one of the most
>widely
>used oils. It is fairly inexpensive and easy to fine. There has been
>some
>582 testing using several oils and Pennzoil held up just as good if not
>better
>than other brands tested. Using Marvel oil or any other motor oil is
>asking
>for trouble.
>
>With Respect,
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine RPM was: Fuel Burn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Running the 582 at 5800 is actually preferred? Why is that? I heard
something about that from a friend, but I still find it hard to
believe...The wear on the engine is greater at that speed than at a lower
RPM, so what benefits do you get from running so high that outweigh the
extra wear and fuel burn?
Also, I pulled my plugs - the very tips of the electrodes were a nice tan
color, but the rest of the plugs were fouled - covered in carbon...I don't
know too much about how to read them to see how my engine is running - any
information would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Andrew
>From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Burn
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:25:19 EDT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 6/6/2005 2:40:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>Cruising at 55-5600 I'm sure I'll be burning 4-4.5 gph...the fuel I'd be
>saving far outweighs the extra mile an hour or so I'd gain - Thanks!
>
>Andrew
>
>
>Andrew,
> You took a lot of heat but, don't feel you are the only one. I have
>been blasted a couple times myself and it's sometimes hard to swallow. I
>left
>the list over one issue but couldn't stand not getting all this good
>information so, swallowed my pride and came back.
> You are 100% correct that most of us have pulled some dumb stunts at
>one
>time or another. I have done my share.
> Now, for a couple issues, 5800-6000 has been the RPM of choice for
>cruise. This has been substantiated by several web articles, numerous 582
>drivers
>and a Rotax dealer or two. I'm talking over 10 years of List discussions
>on
>this one subject. One this that nobody commented on was the use of Marvel
>Mystery oil as two stroke oil. I think this is a big no-no and again, has
>been
>a discussion many times in the past. I would recommend you use a good 2
>stroke oil. Pennzoil for "AIR" cooled Engines is again, one of the most
>widely
>used oils. It is fairly inexpensive and easy to fine. There has been
>some
>582 testing using several oils and Pennzoil held up just as good if not
>better
>than other brands tested. Using Marvel oil or any other motor oil is
>asking
>for trouble.
>
>With Respect,
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV w/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine RPM was: Fuel Burn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Heres my 2 cents on this . Running the 582 or any engine at other than
recommended rpm is for a reason . If you run it at 5200 you are out of your
power band to make HP. and TORQUE. thus you are actually lugging the engine
not letting it run smooth and utilizing the best power management . I am
running my 582 now at 5800 and burning 4 gallons an hour it took alot of
playing with the jets and with the oil injection to get it all right . at
6200 rpm I am burning 5.5 gallons .
As for then plugs try running without anything in the fuel and do a hot kill
at rpm to check plugs do a engine off landing <good practice lol . and pull
them . The engine is most likely just running on the rich side when you shut
down and that is why you are seeing soot when you shut down .
fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
582 c box 2:62-1 GSC 68" 3 blade
-------Original Message-------
From: Andrew Matthaey
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine RPM was: Fuel Burn
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail
com>
Running the 582 at 5800 is actually preferred? Why is that? I heard
something about that from a friend, but I still find it hard to
believe...The wear on the engine is greater at that speed than at a lower
RPM, so what benefits do you get from running so high that outweigh the
extra wear and fuel burn?
Also, I pulled my plugs - the very tips of the electrodes were a nice tan
color, but the rest of the plugs were fouled - covered in carbon...I don't
know too much about how to read them to see how my engine is running - any
information would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Andrew
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