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1. 06:46 AM - Re: New build (Blackwell, Rodney)
2. 08:50 AM - Re: New build (Randy Daughenbaugh)
3. 10:09 AM - Re: New build (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
4. 10:30 AM - Fuel line (Paul Peerenboom)
5. 10:34 AM - Re: Fuel line (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 10:47 AM - Re: Fuel line (kitfox@gto.net)
7. 12:20 PM - Re: Fuel line (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: Fuel line (kitfox@gto.net)
9. 02:22 PM - Re: Fuel line (Chenoweth)
10. 03:11 PM - Re: New build (Donna and Roger McConnell)
11. 05:06 PM - Re: Fuel line (Steve Zakreski)
12. 05:09 PM - AirMaster (icaza francisco)
13. 06:02 PM - Re: New build (Fox5flyer)
14. 06:17 PM - Re: Fuel line (Lowell Fitt)
15. 07:31 PM - Model 4 Speedster for Sale (Clifford Begnaud)
16. 08:19 PM - Re: Model 4 Speedster for Sale (Thomas Johnston)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Blackwell, Rodney" <rblackwell@ppg.com>
I'm new to the list. I built a model three with a 582. The plane now has approx.
225 hours on it. The question I have is about the throttle connection. I
have the original equipment with a vernier throttle with a screw down connection
to the linkage. The screw pinches the solid wire of the throttle linkage at
the control arm. What innovative solutions have had the best track record?
I have never had a problem, but never had a safe feeling about the connection.
I have limited room in that area. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Kerr
Subject: Kitfox-List: New build
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dennis Kerr" <dck44@bendbroadband.com>
Just got my box "Big" unpacked everything inventoried all items. I am
excited about the build project on my S-7. Skystar still living a little
bit in chaos but Frank was great and got it put together for me. I have
been reading this site for about 3 months. Lots of interesting stuff keep
it coming. I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions.
Dennis C. Kerr
Bend, Or.
541-382-3457
dck44@bendbroadband.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Dennis,
You are off on a great adventure. And, as you probably already know, you
are in the right place for expert help. And encouragement when needed. And
criticism when warranted (and sometimes otherwise). All mixed with some of
the best humor on the planet.
Randy - Series 5/7 , 912S 44 hours
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Kerr
Subject: Kitfox-List: New build
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dennis Kerr" <dck44@bendbroadband.com>
Just got my box "Big" unpacked everything inventoried all items. I am
excited about the build project on my S-7. Skystar still living a little
bit in chaos but Frank was great and got it put together for me. I have
been reading this site for about 3 months. Lots of interesting stuff keep
it coming. I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions.
Dennis C. Kerr
Bend, Or.
541-382-3457
dck44@bendbroadband.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:49:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rblackwell@PPG.com writes:
the solid wire of the throttle linkage at the control arm. What innovative
solutions have had the best track record? I have never had a problem, but
never had a safe feeling about the connection. I have limited room in that
area. Thanks
I had the same comfort feeling on the one bug nut holding the wire. In the
case of the 852, the throttle will fail "shut" if that nut lets go. I
thought about it a long while and ended up adding another bug nut on the wire
as a
back up if the first one loosens.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Looking for some input, I have a model IV finishing up some recovering work and
going to replace the fuel line from the wing tanks to the header tank. Auto types
or clear plastic types?
Paul
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/2005 1:31:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ppeerenbo@charter.net writes:
Looking for some input, I have a model IV finishing up some recovering work
and going to replace the fuel line from the wing tanks to the header tank.
Auto types or clear plastic types?
Paul
I've been using 3/8" clear "Polyurethane" (from Spruce) since the beginning.
You can't just use any clear plastic type. On the other hand, SAE R7 or
SAE R9 (fuel injection) auto lines should work well.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Paul,
I would steer clear of automotive "black lines" .
use Urethane clear and second choice Tygon.
The black automotive lines will deteriorate over time and could plug
your gascolator.
Try a guy like that Bob Robertson that posted here for it.
He helped me out with some stuff and found he is very knowledgeable.
Kirby....
> > Bob Robertson
> > Light Engine Services Ltd.
> > Rotax Service Center
> > St. Albert, Alberta
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel line
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
<ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>
> Looking for some input, I have a model IV finishing up some
recovering work and going to replace the fuel line from the wing tanks
to the header tank. Auto types or clear plastic types?
>
> Paul
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/2005 1:48:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kitfox@gto.net writes:
Paul,
I would steer clear of automotive "black lines" .
use Urethane clear and second choice Tygon.
The black automotive lines will deteriorate over time and could plug
your gascolator.
There are numerous recommendations to change "all" rubber/plastic/ type
hoses every two years. We've had reports of hardening of Tygon. If you do use
Tygon, be careful that the Tygon is for fuel use. Tygon has about a zillion
types of clear hose and I don't think the average hardware store carries the
fuel (gasoline) type.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
DOn, you are correct and that is why i stated that one should go to a
guy like
"Try a guy like that Bob Robertson that posted here for it.
He helped me out with some stuff and found he is very knowledgeable."
Funny you did not paste that part of message ?
I agree on Tygon it second best to Urethane.
And to add on the fuel pump hose to crankcase "the pulse line" Should
be thick wall urethane or braided fule pupm hose that will not
collapse. I have seen many failures from inproper use of pulse lines
ans fuel lines.
Kirby ..........
Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Paul,
I would steer clear of automotive "black lines" .
use Urethane clear and second choice Tygon.
The black automotive lines will deteriorate over time and could plug
your gascolator.
Try a guy like that Bob Robertson that posted here for it.
He helped me out with some stuff and found he is very knowledgeable.
Kirby....
> > Bob Robertson
> > Light Engine Services Ltd.
> > Rotax Service Center
> > St. Albert, Alberta
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel line
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Paul,
Lockwood recommends tygothane. I've been using it with no problems for
about 60 hours.
Bill
IV-1200
----- Original Message -----
From: <kitfox@gto.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel line
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
> Paul,
>
> I would steer clear of automotive "black lines" .
> use Urethane clear and second choice Tygon.
>
> The black automotive lines will deteriorate over time and could plug
> your gascolator.
>
> Try a guy like that Bob Robertson that posted here for it.
> He helped me out with some stuff and found he is very knowledgeable.
>
> Kirby....
>
>
> > > Bob Robertson
> > > Light Engine Services Ltd.
> > > Rotax Service Center
> > > St. Albert, Alberta
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel line
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
> <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
> >
> > Looking for some input, I have a model IV finishing up some
> recovering work and going to replace the fuel line from the wing tanks
> to the header tank. Auto types or clear plastic types?
> >
> > Paul
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Dennis,
Welcome to the list. You have just begun a journey that will have
moments of pure satisfaction and moment of utter frustration. But trust me
the good far outweighs the bad. I am nearing the end of my journey. My model
7 with 912S engine is almost ready for the first engine start and then some
taxi testing. Installed the wings last weekend. Good luck on your build and
remember this is the place to ask when you need a second opinion or help on
something.
Roger Mac
N619RM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New build
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Dennis,
You are off on a great adventure. And, as you probably already know, you
are in the right place for expert help. And encouragement when needed. And
criticism when warranted (and sometimes otherwise). All mixed with some of
the best humor on the planet.
Randy - Series 5/7 , 912S 44 hours
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Kerr
Subject: Kitfox-List: New build
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dennis Kerr" <dck44@bendbroadband.com>
Just got my box "Big" unpacked everything inventoried all items. I am
excited about the build project on my S-7. Skystar still living a little
bit in chaos but Frank was great and got it put together for me. I have
been reading this site for about 3 months. Lots of interesting stuff keep
it coming. I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions.
Dennis C. Kerr
Bend, Or.
541-382-3457
dck44@bendbroadband.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I used automotive SAE R9 because it is made to handle all the many auto gas
additives, and it has structural rigidity so it will not collapse if
something leans on it or if it gets kinked. It's too rigid to kink.
Contrary to the previous post, I have never heard of anyone having a problem
with deterioration, but I may stand corrected. As you probably know,
aviation fuel hose DOES deteriorate (swell up internally) rapidly with auto
fuel, so much so, I'm surprised there are not more warnings issued on the
subject.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Peerenboom
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel line
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Looking for some input, I have a model IV finishing up some recovering work
and going to replace the fuel line from the wing tanks to the header tank.
Auto types or clear plastic types?
Paul
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: icaza francisco <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx>
Thanks a lot to Mark Bryan, Mark Miller and John
McBean for your answers about AirMaster.
I appresiate,
Francisco Icaza
XB-IHI
Classic IV
La mejor conexin a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Dennis, I echo Roger's comments. All of us have probably been through the
"no light at the end of the tunnel syndrome", but later looking back at it
we all probably say the same thing. That part was almost as good as finally
flying it. Have fun Dennis.
And to Roger, good luck with your engine start. That's a big milestone,
especially when all the noises sound like the right ones and nothing
squirts, smokes, or falls off. Let us know how it goes.
Deke Morisse
List Administrator
> Dennis,
> Welcome to the list. You have just begun a journey that will have
> moments of pure satisfaction and moment of utter frustration. But trust me
> the good far outweighs the bad. I am nearing the end of my journey. My
model
> 7 with 912S engine is almost ready for the first engine start and then
some
> taxi testing. Installed the wings last weekend. Good luck on your build
and
> remember this is the place to ask when you need a second opinion or help
on
> something.
> Roger Mac
> N619RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Daughenbaugh
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New build
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Dennis,
> You are off on a great adventure. And, as you probably already know, you
> are in the right place for expert help. And encouragement when needed.
And
> criticism when warranted (and sometimes otherwise). All mixed with some
of
> the best humor on the planet.
>
> Randy - Series 5/7 , 912S 44 hours
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Kerr
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New build
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dennis Kerr" <dck44@bendbroadband.com>
>
> Just got my box "Big" unpacked everything inventoried all items. I am
> excited about the build project on my S-7. Skystar still living a little
> bit in chaos but Frank was great and got it put together for me. I have
> been reading this site for about 3 months. Lots of interesting stuff keep
> it coming. I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions.
>
>
> Dennis C. Kerr
>
> Bend, Or.
>
> 541-382-3457
>
> dck44@bendbroadband.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Steve, Thanks for your response. I can't imagine auto fuel hose not
working well with auto gas. The SAE folks are actually pretty smart guys.
Maybe a deteriorated fuel hose in a car won't necessarily cause a crash, but
a fire? quite possibly.
I have SAE R7, I believe and have had fuel in the tanks since 1998.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel line
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> I used automotive SAE R9 because it is made to handle all the many auto
> gas
> additives, and it has structural rigidity so it will not collapse if
> something leans on it or if it gets kinked. It's too rigid to kink.
> Contrary to the previous post, I have never heard of anyone having a
> problem
> with deterioration, but I may stand corrected. As you probably know,
> aviation fuel hose DOES deteriorate (swell up internally) rapidly with
> auto
> fuel, so much so, I'm surprised there are not more warnings issued on the
> subject.
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Peerenboom
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel line
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
> <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>
> Looking for some input, I have a model IV finishing up some recovering
> work
> and going to replace the fuel line from the wing tanks to the header tank.
> Auto types or clear plastic types?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Model 4 Speedster for Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I've very sorry to report that my friend and hangar mate, Tom Johnston, is
selling his very nice speedster. He wants to sell it quickly so he has
priced it well below the fair market value, only $21,900. This is a real
bargain for this plane. So hurry up and buy it, at this price it won't last.
You can see it here:
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch&user=Kitfox123
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 Speedster for Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Thomas Johnston" <THOMASLJOHNSTON@msn.com>
Cliff,
Thanks. there's a guy coming from Gilette Wyoming Sat. to look at it. He weighs
270 lbs. Hope it gets off the ground.
Ha.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Clifford Begnaud<mailto:shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 4 Speedster for Sale
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com<mailto:shoeless@barefootpilot.com>>
I've very sorry to report that my friend and hangar mate, Tom Johnston, is
selling his very nice speedster. He wants to sell it quickly so he has
priced it well below the fair market value, only $21,900. This is a real
bargain for this plane. So hurry up and buy it, at this price it won't last.
You can see it here:
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?modeusersearch&userKitfox123<http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?modeusersearch&userKitfox123>
Cliff
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