---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/16/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:08 AM - Mounting the horizontal stabilizer (Lynn Matteson) 2. 05:12 AM - parking brake valve (Lynn Matteson) 3. 05:43 AM - TEST (Don Smythe) 4. 06:49 AM - Fellow from Skystar info list? (Jeremy Casey) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: parking brake valve (wwillyard@aol.com) 6. 08:03 AM - Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. (Harris, Robert) 7. 08:27 AM - Re: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. (Mike Chaney) 8. 08:30 AM - Re: parking brake valve (Lynn Matteson) 9. 08:38 AM - Re: parking brake valve (Bruce Harrington) 10. 09:24 AM - Re: parking brake valve () 11. 09:51 AM - Re: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. (Clem Nichols) 12. 11:06 AM - Re: parking brake valve (Joe Bienkowski) 13. 11:09 AM - Re: New build (Jeff) 14. 12:52 PM - Re: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. (flier) 15. 01:10 PM - Re: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. (Harris, Robert) 16. 01:24 PM - Re:fuel line (Stu Bryant) 17. 01:52 PM - Re: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. (flier) 18. 07:45 PM - new build (Dennis Kerr) 19. 08:31 PM - Flaperons for Trade (Jimmie Blackwell) 20. 10:30 PM - address change (FlyCyOZ@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:47 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Mounting the horizontal stabilizer From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson When flying the Model IV, what conditions would prompt the pilot to change the horizontal stabilizer position using the front mount hole selections available? In other words, why would I change to a lower hole when the manual says the factory prototype flew best using the upper hole. Is it power, weight, rate of climb, other....? Lynn (not there yet, but wondering) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:55 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Has anybody come up with a suitable valve for locking the brakes on a Model IV, or any other model for that matter? I'm hoping to beat the high cost (~ $100+) of those listed in the Spruce catalog. Also, is this a good idea, using the brake pressure to hold the plane while parked, or are wheel chocks still the best way to go? Lynn ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:56 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Kitfox-List: TEST --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" Just seeing if my new account is set up. Looking to see if everything comes back OK. No need for response. Do Not Archive Don Smythe Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:02 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fellow from Skystar info list? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" Am trying to get in touch with a fellow that posted on the Skystar info exchange board. Name was "James" but no email was given. Had a question about changing a taildragger Series 5 to a tri-cycle gear... Please email me Jeremy Casey jeremy@kilocharlie.us ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:37 AM PST US From: wwillyard@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve --> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com Lynn, I fabricated a control lock that holds the stick centered and lightly applies pressure to the brakes while holding the rudder pedals as well. Bill W. -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Has anybody come up with a suitable valve for locking the brakes on a Model IV, or any other model for that matter? I'm hoping to beat the high cost (~ $100+) of those listed in the Spruce catalog. Also, is this a good idea, using the brake pressure to hold the plane while parked, or are wheel chocks still the best way to go? Lynn ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:52 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" What requirements must be met to install and use a Mode C transponder on an experimental plane? Does an avionics technician need to check it and sign off on it or can I do it? What other paperwork needs to be done for the transponder? Robert ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:40 AM PST US From: Mike Chaney Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney Robert From my understanding the same requirements exist for a transponder as if this was a certified aircraft. I found a wide range of prices to test my transponder. I think there are various levels depending on what you are using the aircraft for. I saved quite a bit of money by shopping around and explaining what type of aircraft I had and how I was using it. Mike c. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert Subject: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" What requirements must be met to install and use a Mode C transponder on an experimental plane? Does an avionics technician need to check it and sign off on it or can I do it? What other paperwork needs to be done for the transponder? Robert ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Oh, yes, I remember that lock, Bill...in fact I think I took a picture of it while you were here. I'll think along that line...thanks. Lynn On Thursday, June 16, 2005, at 10:16 AM, wwillyard@aol.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com > > Lynn, I fabricated a control lock that holds the stick centered and > lightly applies pressure to the brakes while holding the rudder pedals > as well. > > Bill W. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Has anybody come up with a suitable valve for locking the brakes on a > Model IV, or any other model for that matter? I'm hoping to beat the > high cost (~ $100+) of those listed in the Spruce catalog. Also, is > this a good idea, using the brake pressure to hold the plane while > parked, or are wheel chocks still the best way to go? > > Lynn > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:55 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Lynn, I vote for wheel chocks - simple wood ones with light rope to hold a pair together. And 1/8"x1" AL angle stock for tie down stakes (on grass/dirt!), with hole at top corner for ropes. These held thru very stiff winds at Lake Chelan airport on one air tour. Cheers, bh ex-N194KF 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs > Has anybody come up with a suitable valve for locking the brakes on a > Model IV, or any other model for that matter? I'm hoping to beat the > high cost (~ $100+) of those listed in the Spruce catalog. Also, is > this a good idea, using the brake pressure to hold the plane while > parked, or are wheel chocks still the best way to go? > > Lynn ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:39 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn, $100.00 is not a bad price. I fabricated a couple brake valve myself and the time I had in them was more than $100.00. My buddy installed one in his kitfox and seems to like it but I still carry a set chalks. Gary On Thu Jun 16 10:16 , wwillyard@aol.com sent: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com > >Lynn, I fabricated a control lock that holds the stick centered and lightly applies pressure to the brakes while holding the rudder pedals as well. > >Bill W. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lynn Matteson lynnmatt@jps.net> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson lynnmatt@jps.net> > >Has anybody come up with a suitable valve for locking the brakes on a >Model IV, or any other model for that matter? I'm hoping to beat the >high cost (~ $100+) of those listed in the Spruce catalog. Also, is >this a good idea, using the brake pressure to hold the plane while >parked, or are wheel chocks still the best way to go? > >Lynn > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:50 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" Robert: I don't know for certain about the installation part of it, but it does have to be checked out by an authorized technician not only at the time of installation but also every two years thereafter. Clem Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > > > What requirements must be met to install and use a Mode C transponder on > an > experimental plane? Does an avionics technician need to check it and sign > off on it or can I do it? What other paperwork needs to be done for the > transponder? > > Robert > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:56 AM PST US From: Joe Bienkowski Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: parking brake valve --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Joe Bienkowski Hello, I flew many hours in a Piper PA22-150 TriPacer with a hydraulic valve to act as a parking brake. I don't like the concept and I'll tell you why! If you ever should happen to use your brakes on landing, and the air is still and you park quickly and do use the parking brake, the heat from the brakes will heat the brake fluid and greatly increase the pressure in the brake lines. I did this once at Washington County, PA and when I got back to the aircraft I no longer had parking brakes but worse I no longer had service brakes either because the pressure had gotten so high that an aluminum brake line had burst! Chocks or tie down stakes make lots more sense! Best, Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH gjglh@cebridge.net wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: > >Lynn, >$100.00 is not a bad price. I fabricated a couple brake valve myself and the >time I had in them was more than $100.00. My buddy installed one in his kitfox >and seems to like it but I still carry a set chalks. > >Gary > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:30 AM PST US From: "Jeff" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New build --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" Looking for a Kitfox or similar plane in or around Kansas, Arkansas,tennesee areas -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Blackwell, Rodney Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New build --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Blackwell, Rodney" I'm new to the list. I built a model three with a 582. The plane now has approx. 225 hours on it. The question I have is about the throttle connection. I have the original equipment with a vernier throttle with a screw down connection to the linkage. The screw pinches the solid wire of the throttle linkage at the control arm. What innovative solutions have had the best track record? I have never had a problem, but never had a safe feeling about the connection. I have limited room in that area. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Kerr Subject: Kitfox-List: New build --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dennis Kerr" Just got my box "Big" unpacked everything inventoried all items. I am excited about the build project on my S-7. Skystar still living a little bit in chaos but Frank was great and got it put together for me. I have been reading this site for about 3 months. Lots of interesting stuff keep it coming. I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions. Dennis C. Kerr Bend, Or. 541-382-3457 dck44@bendbroadband.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:08 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" You can install it but initially (and every 24 months thereafter) calibration needs to be checked IAW the FAR by a licensed tech and a logbook endorsement added. Costs me $50 every 2 years and it's no big deal. It's simply verification the encoding altimeter is providing correct data to the transponder. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: Mike Chaney Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney > >Robert >From my understanding the same requirements exist for a transponder as if >this was a certified aircraft. I found a wide range of prices to test my >transponder. I think there are various levels depending on what you are >using the aircraft for. I saved quite a bit of money by shopping around and >explaining what type of aircraft I had and how I was using it. > >Mike c. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, >Robert >To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com' >Subject: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > > >What requirements must be met to install and use a Mode C transponder on an >experimental plane? Does an avionics technician need to check it and sign >off on it or can I do it? What other paperwork needs to be done for the >transponder? > >Robert > > >_- ====================================================== ====== browse Subscriptions page, FAQ, List >_- ====================================================== ====== > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:10 PM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Thanks guys. What is "IAW" and "FAR"? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flier Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" You can install it but initially (and every 24 months thereafter) calibration needs to be checked IAW the FAR by a licensed tech and a logbook endorsement added. Costs me $50 every 2 years and it's no big deal. It's simply verification the encoding altimeter is providing correct data to the transponder. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: Mike Chaney Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney > >Robert >From my understanding the same requirements exist for a transponder as if >this was a certified aircraft. I found a wide range of prices to test my >transponder. I think there are various levels depending on what you are >using the aircraft for. I saved quite a bit of money by shopping around and >explaining what type of aircraft I had and how I was using it. > >Mike c. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, >Robert >To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com' >Subject: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > > >What requirements must be met to install and use a Mode C transponder on an >experimental plane? Does an avionics technician need to check it and sign >off on it or can I do it? What other paperwork needs to be done for the >transponder? > >Robert > > >_- ====================================================== ====== browse Subscriptions page, FAQ, List >_- ====================================================== ====== > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:53 PM PST US From: "Stu Bryant" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:fuel line --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" Folks, there is auto fuel line and there is auto fuel line. The last batch of automotive fuel line I bought for my lawn mower and boat from Napa cracked and died within six months. Glad I never put it in the boat. The stuff was either inferior fake garbage sold as fuel line or was really old. Wasn't brittle when I installed it. I personally like the idea of Tygothane, but has anyone considered marine fule line? It is made to a far higher standard than automotive; it is certified like aviation except more compatible to aromatic based fuels & probably alcohols. It is thicker than the automotive stuff I've seen. There are two major types, rigid & flexible. Considering how the Coast Guard looks at boats very much like the FAA looks at certified aircraft, it might be worthy of consideration. The extra cost would be far cheaper than the alternative if inferior line goes bad, even in the best of circumstances. But I'd avoid buying from sleepy backwater marina which gets a new roll in only every ten years. Stu (private pilot & hopeful future KF builder) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:47 PM PST US "'kitfox-list@matronics.com'" From: "flier" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Federal Aviation Regulation and it's FAR 91.413. IAW is simply "in accordance with..." Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "Harris, Robert" list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > >Thanks guys. What is "IAW" and "FAR"? > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flier >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox- list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone sign off on it. > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" > >You can install it but initially (and every 24 months >thereafter) calibration needs to be checked IAW the >FAR by a licensed tech and a logbook endorsement >added. Costs me $50 every 2 years and it's no big >deal. It's simply verification the encoding >altimeter is providing correct data to the >transponder. > >Regards, > >Ted > > >--- Original Message --- >From: Mike Chaney >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can >anyone sign off on it. > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney > >> >>Robert >>From my understanding the same requirements exist >for a transponder as if >>this was a certified aircraft. I found a wide range >of prices to test my >>transponder. I think there are various levels >depending on what you are >>using the aircraft for. I saved quite a bit of >money by shopping around and >>explaining what type of aircraft I had and how I was >using it. >> >>Mike c. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On >Behalf Of Harris, >>Robert >>To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com' >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Mode C Transponder? Can anyone >sign off on it. >> >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" >> >> >>What requirements must be met to install and use a >Mode C transponder on an >>experimental plane? Does an avionics technician need >to check it and sign >>off on it or can I do it? What other paperwork needs >to be done for the >>transponder? >> >>Robert >> >> >>_- >===================================================== = >====== >browse >Subscriptions page, >FAQ, >List >>_- >===================================================== = >====== >> >> > > >_- ====================================================== ====== browse Subscriptions page, FAQ, List >_- ====================================================== ====== > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:52 PM PST US From: "Dennis Kerr" Subject: Kitfox-List: new build --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dennis Kerr" Thanks for the support and follow up. I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions. Dennis C. Kerr Bend, Or. 541-382-3457 dck44@bendbroadband.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:45 PM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperons for Trade --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" This is kind of a long shot, but I have a set of flaperons that came from a Series V. My understanding is that they will also fit a Model IV. They are in good condition and I would like to trade them for an LP Aero Plastics windshield for my Model IV Speedster. I live in central Texas. Jimmie ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:25 PM PST US From: FlyCyOZ@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: address change --> Kitfox-List message posted by: FlyCyOZ@aol.com Please cange me email address to cygan@optusnet.com.au Do Not Archive cy