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1. 08:47 AM - Re: New to Kitfox... (Joel Mapes)
2. 09:49 AM - ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition (B Subiantara)
3. 10:06 AM - Re: New to Kitfox... (Jeremy Casey)
4. 10:44 AM - Re: ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition (Mike Chaney)
5. 12:13 PM - ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition (kitfox@gto.net)
6. 12:30 PM - Re: ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition agreed (Aerobatics@aol.com)
7. 01:25 PM - Re: Automatic Trim (Guy Buchanan)
8. 02:29 PM - Re: Automatic Trim (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
9. 02:40 PM - Right hand bungee strut for model 1 (mike)
10. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Left Handed Throttle (Jose M. Toro)
11. 03:57 PM - Front tire Model 5 (Rick)
12. 04:34 PM - bungee gear for Model 5 (N53dw@aol.com)
13. 08:29 PM - Re: New to Kitfox... (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
14. 08:40 PM - Model 5 parts (Mdkitfox@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: New to Kitfox... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Jeremy,
The Polyfiber epoxy varnish will take a LONG time to dry if it is old. You may
want to replace yours with recently manufactured product. I learned this the
hard way.
Joel
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| Subject: | ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: B Subiantara <subiantara@yahoo.com>
I have some question that I hope you could help me to find out the answer me.
I have Rotax 582, I used to check the ignition at 4000 RPM and see if the RPM would
not drop more than 200 on Left or Right Ignition.
What would be the rpm drop if the engine runs faster than 4000 rpm?
Few weeks ago, I run my engine at 5800 RPM and check my Left and Right Ignition.
I find out that on my Left ignition the RPM is dropped around 200RPM, but on
my Right Ignition my RPM is dropping up to 300RPM. Sometime the rpm would drop
another 300RPM and go back up. When I run the engine with both ignitions, it
seems ok.
Does anybody know if this condition would be a good or not a good condition?
Subiantara
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| Subject: | New to Kitfox... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Thanks to all for the advice...at this point I am studying through the
manuals (I got a binder with the original builders manual along with
about 6-7 envelopes with revisions and correction sheets...so had to go
through and throw out sheets that had been updated)
I am planning at this point to throw out the grey epoxy
(Scotchweld/Hysol) and the varnish and get new as well as the POLYTAK
glue. The POLYBRUSH should be fine, I was told, just might have to add
a little MEK if it has gotten too syrupy.
The pre-molded windshield is in pretty bad shape, so will be planning on
replacing it as well...
Need to get the welding done to convert the cage to a taildragger and
get going...
Jeremy Casey
Kitfox "Vixen" soon to be "Outback" builder...
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Mapes [mailto:foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com]
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New to Kitfox...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes"
<foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Jeremy,
The Polyfiber epoxy varnish will take a LONG time to dry if it is old.
You may want to replace yours with recently manufactured product. I
learned this the hard way.
Joel
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| Subject: | ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
I has a similar, not exact, problem when I had a 582 on my Kitfox. It
turned out to the the reg./rectifier. I purchased the Key West unit and the
problem was fixed. Whom ever I spoke to at Skystar at the time quickly went
to this as the problem leading me to believe it was a common problem. This
might be a starting point for discussion.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of B Subiantara
Subject: Kitfox-List: ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: B Subiantara <subiantara@yahoo.com>
I have some question that I hope you could help me to find out the answer
me.
I have Rotax 582, I used to check the ignition at 4000 RPM and see if the
RPM would not drop more than 200 on Left or Right Ignition.
What would be the rpm drop if the engine runs faster than 4000 rpm?
Few weeks ago, I run my engine at 5800 RPM and check my Left and Right
Ignition. I find out that on my Left ignition the RPM is dropped around
200RPM, but on my Right Ignition my RPM is dropping up to 300RPM. Sometime
the rpm would drop another 300RPM and go back up. When I run the engine with
both ignitions, it seems ok.
Does anybody know if this condition would be a good or not a good condition?
Subiantara
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| Subject: | ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Guys, I believe thast ROTAX says 300 max drop @ 4000 rpm but i stand
to be corrected..
The Regulator has nothing that i know of to do with cdi ignition as it
is part of the charging system being a regualtor and a Rectifier. But
I stand to be corrected.
Personally I thing you are in specs and no need for concern.
Ask a Rotax guy like Bob Robertson as he has proven he knows his stuff.
Kirby.........
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
P.O.Box 11, Site 6, RR #1
5 Kuryluk Blvd.
St. Albert Airport
St. Albert, Alberta
T8N 1M8
1-866-418-4164 (Thats TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
Does anybody know if this condition would be a good or not a good
condition?
>
>
> Subiantara
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
> I has a similar, not exact, problem when I had a 582 on my Kitfox.
It
> turned out to the the reg./rectifier. I purchased the Key West unit
and the
> problem was fixed. Whom ever I spoke to at Skystar at the time
quickly went
> to this as the problem leading me to believe it was a common problem.
This
> might be a starting point for discussion.
>
> Mike Chaney
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| Subject: | Re: ROTAX 582 max rpm drop on one ignition agreed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 6/27/2005 2:16:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
kitfox@gto.net writes:
Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Guys, I believe thast ROTAX says 300 max drop @ 4000 rpm but i stand
to be corrected..
The Regulator has nothing that i know of to do with cdi ignition as it
is part of the charging system being a regualtor and a Rectifier. But
I stand to be corrected.
Personally I thing you are in specs and no need for concern.
Ask a Rotax guy like Bob Robertson as he has proven he knows his stuff.
Kirby.........
However.... for me.... I find if I simply listen, I have found if sounds a
bit rough on one, I change plugs and sometimes when idle gets a bit rough, a
fresh set of plugs makes all well.... around 30 to 40 ish hours...
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 08:27 AM 6/26/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
>Hi Guy, I am trying to understand the reason why you would want the pitch
>trim and the flaps connected.
Actually I'm trying to simplify my life by getting rid of cockpit
control. My thinking was that since I'm dealing with a flaperon system I
could say that whenever I adjust trim I'll adjust the flaps, and
vice-versa. Let's say I first adjust the flaperons and trim for maximum
cruise. Then as I slow and add nose up trim I automatically add flaps,
which I want anyway because I'm slow and want the additional stall margin
and want the nose down too. The question is: do I really want them
independent? Are there times when I really should trim for slow flight with
no flaps? I know a lot of people never use flaps, which I probably would
have done too.
On a related note: Does anyone have a good idea for a small manual
pitch trim actuator? I purchased a no-backlash actuator from ACS but it's
big enough for a DC-3. Can I just use a friction device? Are the tab forces
low enough?
Thanks all,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
On the Kitfox, if you reduce speed you need to reduce the flap angle to maintain
level flight. This may not be the flight regimine you were contemplating but
it provides a condition when "automatic" is not "appropriate".
It has been my experience that when trimmed and throttle is reduced speed will
remain the same and altitude is lost, which I believe to be a desireable thing.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
>
> At 08:27 AM 6/26/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> >
> >Hi Guy, I am trying to understand the reason why you would want the pitch
> >trim and the flaps connected.
>
> Actually I'm trying to simplify my life by getting rid of cockpit
> control. My thinking was that since I'm dealing with a flaperon system I
> could say that whenever I adjust trim I'll adjust the flaps, and
> vice-versa. Let's say I first adjust the flaperons and trim for maximum
> cruise. Then as I slow and add nose up trim I automatically add flaps,
> which I want anyway because I'm slow and want the additional stall margin
> and want the nose down too. The question is: do I really want them
> independent? Are there times when I really should trim for slow flight with
> no flaps? I know a lot of people never use flaps, which I probably would
> have done too.
> On a related note: Does anyone have a good idea for a small manual
> pitch trim actuator? I purchased a no-backlash actuator from ACS but it's
> big enough for a DC-3. Can I just use a friction device? Are the tab forces
> low enough?
>
> Thanks all,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
On the Kitfox, if you reduce speed you need to reduce the flap angle to maintain
level flight. This may not be the flight regimine you were contemplating but
it provides a condition when "automatic" is not "appropriate".
It has been my experience that when trimmed and throttle is reduced speed will
remain the same and altitude is lost, which I believe to be a desireable thing.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <BNN@NETHERE.COM>
At 08:27 AM 6/26/2005, you wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
Hi Guy, I am trying to understand the reason why you would want the pitch
trim and the flaps connected.
Actually I'm trying to simplify my life by getting rid of cockpit
control. My thinking was that since I'm dealing with a flaperon system I
could say that whenever I adjust trim I'll adjust the flaps, and
vice-versa. Let's say I first adjust the flaperons and trim for maximum
cruise. Then as I slow and add nose up trim I automatically add flaps,
which I want anyway because I'm slow and want the additional stall margin <BR
> and want the nose down too. The question is: do I really want them
independent? Are there times when I really should trim for slow flight with
no flaps? I know a lot of people never use flaps, which I probably would
have done too.
On a related note: Does anyone have a good idea for a small manual
pitch trim actuator? I purchased a no-backlash actuator from ACS but it's
big enough for a DC-3. Can I just use a friction device? Are the tab forces
low enough?
Thanks all,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
FAQ,
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| Subject: | Right hand bungee strut for model 1 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mike" <mike@mikegibbard.com>
Does anyone have a right handed strut that would fit a Model 1. I did a
ground loop and the strut collasped under the plane. The tail wheel went to
one side causing this. did not do damage to wing. Any help would be
appriciated. I live in Northern Michigan. Thank you. Mike
Mike Gibbard
REO Bellaire
7953 W old State Rd Central Lake
231-544-5241 Home Office Toll Free
231-544-5015 or 231-533-6114
231-544-6721 Home Fax
mike@mikegibbard.com
http://www.mikegibbard.com
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| Subject: | Re: Left Handed Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
If you want the throttle on the left hand, fly from
the right seat. This will require to have brakes on
the right pedals. If you don't have pedals on the
right side, this modification would be easier and more
practical than attempting any modification to the
throttle linkage.
--- Clem Nichols <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
> <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> Maxwell:
>
> I couldn't agree with you more. Although my primary
> plane is a Kitfox with
> a left-handed stick and a right-handed throttle, I
> continue to fly my
> Quicksilver MXL which is just the opposite. Also
> when I get my biennial
> flight review it's in a 172 with a yoke as opposed
> to a stick. Neither of
> these has ever presented a problem, and I don't
> consider myself at all
> ambidextrous. Intuitively you'd think it would be a
> real problem, but it
> isn't. IMO (for whatever it's worth) I don't think
> that changing the
> throttle linkage around would be worth the trouble
> involved.
>
> Clem Nichols
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W Duke" <n981ms@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Left Handed Throttle
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
> <n981ms@yahoo.com>
> >
> > 1. If you have flown a Cessna or the like you
> have had the throttle in
> > your right hand.
> > 2. I found the transition from a champ
> instantaneous. Once in the
> > airplane the thought of being off handed never
> crossed my mind. (My first
> > experience in a Fox was with an instructor)
> > 3. What you see and then do with your feet is far
> more important than
> > your hand. (IMHO). I fly from the left and
> right. Better from the left
> > because the "picture" is what I am used to.
> Keeping the tailwheel aligned
> > seems to me a learned "picture" when seated off
> center.
> > 4. I considered making my S6 right seat primary
> but did not. Having done
> > it I do not think any pilot will have a problem
> adapting instantly.
> > 5. If still concerned get an instructor or the
> like to sit right seat
> > until comfortable.
> >
> > Maxwell
> >
> >
> > Tinne maha <tinnemaha@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha"
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > I also learned with the stick in my right hand and
> the throttle in my left
> > hand. I am setting up my series 5 with the Pilot
> in Command to fly on the
> > right side of the aircraft. I've got a few strange
> looks & comments but I
> > know it has been done before. I've flown an RV-6
> that was set up that
> > way.........it was very comfortable.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Grant
> >
> >
> >>Hi all, back again with a few more questions. All
> of the planes I've
> >>flown so far have a left hand throttel and that is
> what I am used to. I'm
> >>about to buy a Kitfox and would like to not have
> too many things to get
> >>used to at one time. Has anyone set up their Fox
> with duel throttels so
> >>either seat has a throttel on the left?? I've
> looked at my Kitfox 3
> >>project and see how one might run a cable to pull
> at the same place as the
> >>typical location, but I'm not sure yet how I would
> unlock the throttel
> >>that is not being used so it would not restrict
> the movement of the other
> >>one. Any comments????? Thanks, Jim
> >>PS Maybe once I start flying the Kitfox and get
> used to it, I can work on
> >>flying the joystick with my left hand, but right
> now I would rather use my
> >>right.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Front tire Model 5 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Anyone have the fron tire size handy for the Chinshin lawn mower tire.
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| Subject: | bungee gear for Model 5 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: N53dw@aol.com
I have a set of never-used powder-coated bungee gear, including axles, for a
5 if anyone is interested. PM me at _n53dw@aol.com_ (mailto:n53dw@aol.com)
Danny Williamson
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| Subject: | Re: New to Kitfox... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Jeremy,
I have an original Model V windshield, never used. I live in the DC area.
It's yours for free, you just need to pick it up. FYI, it's too expensive to
ship so that's not really an option.
Regards,
Rick Weiss
N39RW, 912S Series V Speedster
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
I just came across a pair of streamlined horizontal stabilizer struts in
white powder coat. As I recall they were too short for the Model V, so they
likely will fit model IV and earlier. Any reasonable will be accepted.
I also have white powder coated bungee gear struts, and two sets of axles,
and an elevator weldment.
Rick Weiss
N39RW, 912S Series V Speedster
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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