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1. 07:37 AM - ATTENTION MATRONICS LIST MANAGER (Steve Cooper)
2. 08:41 AM - Re: ATTENTION MATRONICS LIST MANAGER (Bruce Harrington)
3. 10:44 AM - building grass strip (clemwehner)
4. 12:37 PM - Re: building grass strip (Don Smythe)
5. 12:48 PM - Re: building grass strip (Ben Baltrusaitis)
6. 01:48 PM - Re: building grass strip (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
7. 03:45 PM - Re: 912S Installation (John King)
8. 04:16 PM - Re: Video... (John King)
9. 04:34 PM - Re: 912S Installation (jdmcbean)
10. 04:52 PM - Re: Video... (Allan Aaron)
11. 05:06 PM - Re: 912S Installation (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
12. 06:13 PM - Re: 912S Installation (Lowell Fitt)
13. 07:19 PM - Re: 912S Installation (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
14. 08:19 PM - Re: 912S Installation (jdmcbean)
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user sportflyer) by webmail.emcity.net with HTTP;
| Subject: | ATTENTION MATRONICS LIST MANAGER |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Cooper <sportflyer@emcity.net> (SquirrelMail
authenticated user sportflyer) by webmail.emcity.net with HTTP;
I believe you guys have had a significant meltdown of the Matronics
systems. Seems I've automatically been subscribed to EVERY Matronics list
out there...including the Corvette list...I would say about 50 or so in
all. CAN YOU HELP?
Steve Cooper
sportflyer@emcity.net
PS. I have been on the Kitfox list a long time under my Earthlink
account...I'd like to keep this one however...Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: ATTENTION MATRONICS LIST MANAGER |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Hi Steve,
I think you mis-read the Matronics email. Please re-read it. If you are on
the Kitfox list (as you obviously are), just delete it.
Cheers,
bh
> I believe you guys have had a significant meltdown of the Matronics
> systems. Seems I've automatically been subscribed to EVERY Matronics list
> out there...including the Corvette list...I would say about 50 or so in
> all. CAN YOU HELP?
>
> Steve Cooper
> sportflyer@emcity.net
>
> PS. I have been on the Kitfox list a long time under my Earthlink
> account...I'd like to keep this one however...Thanks!
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| Subject: | building grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
I have a friend here in Oklahoma (pilot and aircraft owner) who wants to
build a grass airstrip on his property to go along with his Bed &
Breakfast/cabins/RV park.
Can you guys help with finding:
1. The FAA rules and regulations regarding building private grass
strips.
2. Information on construction of grass strips.
Any information or help would be greatly appreciated.
Clem
Oklahoma
KFIV-912
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| Subject: | Re: building grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I don't know any thing about this subject but I believe the major hurdle is
going to be with the local and state government. I have a friend (The Rich
Man) that applied to the FAA for a helo pad in my local county. He was
granted permission by the FAA with no problem but the county said he could
not land there???? He kept doing it anyway because the county couldn't find
any reason to cite him. It appeared the local county and the FAA were not
concerned with each other.
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: building grass strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have a friend here in Oklahoma (pilot and aircraft owner) who wants to
> build a grass airstrip on his property to go along with his Bed &
> Breakfast/cabins/RV park.
>
>
> Can you guys help with finding:
>
> 1. The FAA rules and regulations regarding building private grass
> strips.
>
> 2. Information on construction of grass strips.
>
>
> Any information or help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Clem
> Oklahoma
> KFIV-912
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: building grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Clem,
We've had several guys build their own strips here in PA and construction is simple,
however, airports are state regulated. You may be able to find the requirements
for Oklahoma on the 'net.
Ben
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From: clemwehner
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: building grass strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
I have a friend here in Oklahoma (pilot and aircraft owner) who wants to
build a grass airstrip on his property to go along with his Bed &
Breakfast/cabins/RV park.
Can you guys help with finding:
1. The FAA rules and regulations regarding building private grass
strips.
2. Information on construction of grass strips.
Any information or help would be greatly appreciated.
Clem
Oklahoma
KFIV-912
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| Subject: | Re: building grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Clem,
I would suggest calling your local FAA ADO (Airport District Office). The
word local might not mean nearby, but I would start with OK's airport regional
office which is co-located with the FAA's SW Regional Office:
Federal Aviation Administration
2601 Meacham Blvd.
Fort Worth, TX 76137-4298
Main No.: (817)222-5630
FAX: (817) 222-5987
Ask for the person who is responsible for the area where you want to build
the strip. They should be able to direct you to everyone and everything you
need to know. The state and county folks are probably going to be the
toughest hurdle, but the FAA should help you with whatever OK requires. Typically,
these FAA folks are very supportive of building strips/airports and will
support you with any state or county issues.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Rick,
When I built my Series 6 the 912S came with the lighter weight starter.
I had no interference problems with the starter and engine mount at that
time. After 337 hours I upgraded my 912 for the slip clutch and the
heavy duty starter. I had to remove the back mounting brackets (not
used) on the new starter so as to allow for clearance for cabin heater
hoses before I could install the new starter. Other than that, there
were no other clearance problems with the starter. However, it was a
SOB getting the mounting nuts and washers of the starter mounting bolts
secured with the engine installed on the aircraft.
My Kitfox is at the airport and I cannot look at it now. I am not
familiar with the dome part of the starter or where it is located. If
the dome is where the mounting screws are housed to the starter, I would
not recommend removing any of that material. I would first talk to
Lockwood. If the dome is part of the rear mounting brackets, then all
of that can be removed. I cut off all of the rear mounting bracket with
a band saw and filed over the sharp edges.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
>
>
>I think I have a small problem, that may be turning into a larger one rather
>quickly. I have followed the manual for installing the ring mount onto the
>engine and right now it appears the mount does not fit over the heavy duty
>starter that is on the 921S. I have filed down the tabs on the back of the
>starter, but it looks like the raised dome may have to be filed off. Does
>anyone know how much metal can be removed from this 'dome'? Also, the ring
>provides an extremely tight fit, so much so that after 2 hours, I still can't
get
>it lined up. Is this normal? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>Rick Weiss
>Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
>Do not archive
>
>
>_
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Jeremy,
Great video and audio, I really enjoyed it. Have you considered
mounting the camera inside the cabin above the co-pilot seat? Miguel
did just that on the 2002 Alaska trip and was able to view the results
and make adjustments during flight in real time.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Jeremy Casey wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
>Thought I'd post a link to a video I shot from my last plane. (RANS S7)
>just some fun flying one day going to get the proverbial $100
>hamburger.(actually more like $24 hamburger with a 912's fuel
>consumption.but who's counting ;-)
>
>Main website.
>http://www.kilocharlie.us/Flying.htm
>
>Video link.
>http://www.kilocharlie.us/Movie%20page.htm
>
>A couple of pics of the trip to pick up the Series 5 kit I just bought.
>http://www.kilocharlie.us/KiloCharlie%20Kitfox%20Home.htm
>
>
>Jeremy Casey
>KiloCharlie Drafting, Inc.
>jeremy@kilocharlie.us
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Rick,
A little help is needed... are you a 5 firewall forward smooth cowl, round
cowl, or Series 7 firewall forward ? You may want to remove the starter to
install the ring mount....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mdkitfox@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Installation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
I think I have a small problem, that may be turning into a larger one
rather
quickly. I have followed the manual for installing the ring mount onto the
engine and right now it appears the mount does not fit over the heavy duty
starter that is on the 921S. I have filed down the tabs on the back of the
starter, but it looks like the raised dome may have to be filed off. Does
anyone know how much metal can be removed from this 'dome'? Also, the ring
provides an extremely tight fit, so much so that after 2 hours, I still
can't get
it lined up. Is this normal? Any advice would be appreciated.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
I did it that with my Avid on my trip to Oshkosh a few years ago.
Generally worked OK but I got a lot of reflection from the lexan windows
and windscreen. I think mounting on the wing strut would be good. I
know Lowell has done it that way, but with a rather complex setup. I'm
wondering if there is an easier way.
Allan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Video...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Jeremy,
Great video and audio, I really enjoyed it. Have you considered
mounting the camera inside the cabin above the co-pilot seat? Miguel
did just that on the 2002 Alaska trip and was able to view the results
and make adjustments during flight in real time.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Jeremy Casey wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey"
>--> <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
>Thought I'd post a link to a video I shot from my last plane. (RANS
>S7) just some fun flying one day going to get the proverbial $100
>hamburger.(actually more like $24 hamburger with a 912's fuel
>consumption.but who's counting ;-)
>
>Main website.
>http://www.kilocharlie.us/Flying.htm
>
>Video link.
>http://www.kilocharlie.us/Movie%20page.htm
>
>A couple of pics of the trip to pick up the Series 5 kit I just bought.
>http://www.kilocharlie.us/KiloCharlie%20Kitfox%20Home.htm
>
>
>Jeremy Casey
>KiloCharlie Drafting, Inc.
>jeremy@kilocharlie.us
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
John Mc, and John K,
(FYI. I have a Series V Speedster, bump cowl. Serial Number 1, which
probably differs in many ways from the later numbers.)
Thanks for the feedback. I can't tell you how great it is to have friendly
voices available for support, especially when you're at a low point.
Sadly, things are actually getting worse. I have removed every bit of
material I could from the starter housing and finally got the ring mount lined
up,
but one leg of the ring mount rests on the top screw of the 2 starter attach
screws. This is leaving a gap of over a 3/8 of an inch that needs to be
accounted for between the firewall and ring mounts. I think this is too much
for the bolt size and length that joins the 2 mounts. But wait, there's more.
In order to get the ring mount on I had to remove the water pump housing and
of course the gasket tore in two. Also, there was some purple looking gel
like substance inside the housing. I have no idea what it is. Cleaned it
out, but Lord knows where else this goo exists inside the engine.
My gut feel tells me I need a new ring mount with a relocated tube, away
from the starter OR the heavy duty starter needs to be replaced with a standard
version starter (which I had to exchange for the new one.) We won't even
discuss how beat up the ring mount got trying to install it. Kerry, at
Lockwood, was insistent the 912S use the HD starter, so the options aren't as
easy as
one would like.
If the ring mount is a Rotax part (which I was led to believe) then you
would think things should fit. Go figure!
I'm sure open to more suggestions! Any and all help would be appreciated.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Rick,
Just a note from a sympathetic ear, I'm sure there a lot of us out here
with tons of sympathy, but no experience with your problem. Friendly
voices - Yes, but just don't know how to help.
Do not archive,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mdkitfox@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
>
> John Mc, and John K,
>
>
> (FYI. I have a Series V Speedster, bump cowl. Serial Number 1, which
> probably differs in many ways from the later numbers.)
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I can't tell you how great it is to have
> friendly
> voices available for support, especially when you're at a low point.
>
> Sadly, things are actually getting worse. I have removed every bit of
> material I could from the starter housing and finally got the ring mount
> lined up,
> but one leg of the ring mount rests on the top screw of the 2 starter
> attach
> screws. This is leaving a gap of over a 3/8 of an inch that needs to be
> accounted for between the firewall and ring mounts. I think this is too
> much
> for the bolt size and length that joins the 2 mounts. But wait, there's
> more.
> In order to get the ring mount on I had to remove the water pump housing
> and
> of course the gasket tore in two. Also, there was some purple looking
> gel
> like substance inside the housing. I have no idea what it is. Cleaned
> it
> out, but Lord knows where else this goo exists inside the engine.
>
> My gut feel tells me I need a new ring mount with a relocated tube, away
> from the starter OR the heavy duty starter needs to be replaced with a
> standard
> version starter (which I had to exchange for the new one.) We won't even
> discuss how beat up the ring mount got trying to install it. Kerry, at
> Lockwood, was insistent the 912S use the HD starter, so the options
> aren't as easy as
> one would like.
>
> If the ring mount is a Rotax part (which I was led to believe) then you
> would think things should fit. Go figure!
>
> I'm sure open to more suggestions! Any and all help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Rick Weiss
> Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Lowell,
Thanks for the kind note. I know the list is the best place to get help.
Post it and it will come. Regardless, the sympathy is appreciated.
After rereading my note, I realized I was blaming everything on the ring
mount when in fact the really bad player appears to be the engine mount. I
guess it's time to step back, take a deep breath, relax, then just beat the hell
out of the engine mount! Just kidding.
Later,
Do not archive
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Rick,
The good news and the bad.... The ring mount is not Rotax... The
easiest way to tell is to measure the diameter of the ring mount base
tube.( the largest one).. I do not recall what the Rotax is.. (I can find
out if you like) but the one you have will most likely be 1" diameter. This
is a SkyStar ring mount.. the Rotax uses larger tubing... However, the
Round cowling will not allow for the larger starter. The engine mount
becomes the issue. The Smooth cowling has just barely enough room if the
ears of the starter are cut off.
The larger starter is definitely a nice starter and cranks the 912S very
well... I have a similar problem.. I installed the 7 firewall forward and
was one of the first ones.. The new starter had not come out yet but did
shortly after.. I cannot use it. The engine mount for the 7 needed to be
modified to allow room for the larger starter. The moral to the story...
Although the larger starter is nice.. You can get along just fine with the
original starter. Several continue to use it.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mdkitfox@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Installation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
John Mc, and John K,
(FYI. I have a Series V Speedster, bump cowl. Serial Number 1, which
probably differs in many ways from the later numbers.)
Thanks for the feedback. I can't tell you how great it is to have friendly
voices available for support, especially when you're at a low point.
Sadly, things are actually getting worse. I have removed every bit of
material I could from the starter housing and finally got the ring mount
lined up,
but one leg of the ring mount rests on the top screw of the 2 starter
attach
screws. This is leaving a gap of over a 3/8 of an inch that needs to be
accounted for between the firewall and ring mounts. I think this is too
much
for the bolt size and length that joins the 2 mounts. But wait, there's
more.
In order to get the ring mount on I had to remove the water pump housing
and
of course the gasket tore in two. Also, there was some purple looking gel
like substance inside the housing. I have no idea what it is. Cleaned it
out, but Lord knows where else this goo exists inside the engine.
My gut feel tells me I need a new ring mount with a relocated tube, away
from the starter OR the heavy duty starter needs to be replaced with a
standard
version starter (which I had to exchange for the new one.) We won't even
discuss how beat up the ring mount got trying to install it. Kerry, at
Lockwood, was insistent the 912S use the HD starter, so the options aren't
as easy as
one would like.
If the ring mount is a Rotax part (which I was led to believe) then you
would think things should fit. Go figure!
I'm sure open to more suggestions! Any and all help would be appreciated.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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