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1. 12:33 AM - Email format. WAS 912S Installation (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:50 AM - Re: Tyres ... again (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:29 AM - C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfoxjunky)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? (Lowell Fitt)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Lowell Fitt)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Randy Daughenbaugh)
7. 07:20 AM - Re: Building A grass Strip (Paul Peerenboom)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (jdmcbean)
9. 09:26 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfox@gto.net)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Shane Sather)
11. 09:47 AM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac)
12. 10:04 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Rick)
13. 11:31 AM - Re: Email format. WAS 912S Installation (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
14. 12:33 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfox@gto.net)
15. 02:38 PM - Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
16. 03:04 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Rick)
17. 04:51 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfox@gto.net)
18. 05:51 PM - Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? (flier)
19. 06:40 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (Marco Menezes)
20. 08:08 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (Dee Young)
21. 08:39 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac)
22. 08:41 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac)
23. 08:52 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac)
24. 09:48 PM - Re: Windshield Fasteners (Guy Buchanan)
25. 09:50 PM - Forward "an excellent reply" Fluff (Jim Crowder)
26. 09:54 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (aerocon1@telusplanet.net)
27. 10:33 PM - Airshow Midair (jdmcbean)
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Subject: | Email format. WAS 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
> AOL places a blue bar on what's copied.
Rick, I don't think AOL does anything with the format of your email.
You use a program to read and write your emails. I guess it is Microsoft
Outlook. I use Netscape. There are many other email reader programs.
But they all offer you to format your email in either "Plain text" or "HTML
text." You should choose the former.
Many decades ago, radio amateurs tried to encode words in a smarter way than
the Morse code. They came with the Baudot code that developped later to the
ASCII code. Unfortunately ASCII is not standard for all the letters of all the
alphabets of the world. But if you write English, the first 64 ASCII codes are
worldwide and contains all the letter you need.
In the 70s, the world scientists working together on the particle accelerator
of CERN, needed a way to exchange their work on the internet. A group of them
developed the World Wide Web and the HTML codes. They used the already existing
file structure called XML (tagged hypertext) and came with some standard tag
naming. E.g. a tag called "i" would say the the following text is supposed to
be displayed in Italic until meeting the closing tag "/i"
And this is how we can today share information with formatted elements, photos,
etc. A real revolution in the way we share information!
But it is my opinion, shared by many, that an email should, as much as
possible, remain a "simple text" thus not containing formatting elements like
typeface style, etc. First, the Plain Text format is much, much more compact.
Then HTML is not displayed the same way on all mail readers / browsers. In many
cases, my Netscape browser can't read what is on the internet today.
Then there is always the problem that codes in a HTML email can do things you
don't really want it to do. Criminals are trying to hide things like spyware,
viruses, etc. in emails. We know that.
And this is probably why Matronics will only accept the simplest form of ASCII
(plain text) email. Even to the point that they disreagard non-English characters.
... So, you'll never see me write Norwegian or French on this list! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Tyres ... again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> Michel, I intended to respond to the why question, but time got away from
> me. The smooth tires or a very small rib will not catch rocks that can
> damage the fabric if thrown at sufficient velocity.
Thanks Lowell! Of course, it makes sense!
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | C-GOOT Flies Again |
Serialize complete at 07/10/2005 07:22:26 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in
the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner,
new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller
parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough.
Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine
always stays attached to the airframe.
Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is
good to be back in the saddle again.
WooHoo!!
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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Subject: | Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
It was previously on the recommended list. Last year at the Rotax forum at
Oshkosh, Eric Tucker said the new revision of the recommended list was due
to the EPA ruling that certain antifoaming additives were no longer allowed.
He did mention Motul 5100 by name and apparently the testing Rotax does
showed that it no longer met it's foamilg limits. This is my understanding.
All of the oils in the new list have been tested by Rotax to meet it's
specifications. This is not to imply that other oils do not as I doubt they
have tested them all. But, the report was that the oils they recommend have
been tested in house, rather than merely looking at the refiners specs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hey Lowell,
>
> What's the skinny on the Motul 5100? I've been using
> it now for a while?? I just finished up a case my
> last oil change...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ted
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
> oil?
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>I suspect that Rotax will have a hard time
> recommending another engine
>>manufacturers oil, so my "guess" is that the Honda
> oil would otherwise be on
>>the list. That said, the reason I am using the oil
> from the accepted list
>>is that an I used to use and previously listedt was
> delisted because of the
>>the EPA mandated formula change on that brand of oil
> (Motul 5100). I began
>>using an oil formulated and sold by California Power
> Systems (a Rotax
>>distributor). Eric said they were planning on
> testing that oil for the
>>foaming problem - nothing yet. I have discontinued
> using that oil.
>>
>>Keep in mind that the reason for the new dipstick
> was at least in part to
>>compensate for the foaming issue. Rotax has
> published a number of bulletins
>>regarding the problems of air in the oil system and
> this is an area where
>>caution is appropriate as it seems to me that the
> vibration issues with our
>>engines - spinning a prop - is a bit different than
> a motorcycle, spinning
>>a chain. I'm usually a bit skeptical of
> manufacturers claims if it has to
>>do with recommending their own products etc. but
> Eric spent a bit of time on
>>this issue last year at OSH and it got me a little
> concerned.
>>
>>Lowell
>>
>>Lowell
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
> oil?
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and
> Roger McConnell"
>>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>> I too am getting ready to fire up my engine
> in the next few days. I
>>> agree with John on the Honda oil. I called
> Lockwood and asked them about
>>> using the Honda oil and there comment was 'If it's
> good enough for Honda
>>> engines its good enough for Rotax'. The oil is a
> full synthetic with gear
>>> additives. As for coolant I'm using Dexcool and
> distilled water 50/50.
>>> Roger Mac
>>> N619RM ready to taxi
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of jdmcbean
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant
> and oil?
>>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>> I'm sure you'll get varying comments.
> Usually it's a good idea to
>>> follow
>>> the Engine manufactures recommendation. OK I've
> said it.... I follow the
>>> previous recommendation.. 50/50 mix. Use a
> extended life Antifreeze that
>>> is
>>> Silicate Free and I use distilled water.
>>>
>>> As for oil... Myself and several others have had
> great success with Honda
>>> Pro GN4. You can get it from the local Honda
> shop, it has the gear
>>> additive
>>> for the gear box.. Designed for high rpm engines.
>>>
>>> I run 100LL on the 912S and add the TCP that I
> sell religiously. I also
>>> change the oil every 25-30 hours. The results say
> you could probably go
>>> longer but I have always felt that the oil is the
> life blood of the engine
>>> and therefore I change it regularly. Because of
> the lead in the fuel I do
>>> pull the tank and clean it as well... "get the
> lead out"
>>>
>>>
>>> Fly Safe !!
>>> John & Debra McBean
>>> www.sportplanellc.com
>>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
> oil?
>>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer"
> <av8rps@tznet.com>
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I'm getting ready to run my 912ul on my model IV,
> so I went and read all
>>> of
>>> that (very confusing) stuff on the www.rotax-
> owners.com site for the
>>> latest
>>> and greatest on coolants and oils, plus I searched
> the kitfox list for
>>> info.
>>> But I haven't found anything real current. And
> seeing how this stuff
>>> seems
>>> to be continually changing, I thought I had better
> ask all of you before
>>> putting the wrong stuff in my engine.
>>>
>>> So, my questions are;
>>>
>>> - Has there been any updated information on
> coolant requirements?
>>>
>>> - Is Evans Waterless coolant still the way to go?
>>>
>>> - How much coolant will I need to buy for my 912ul
> Model IV (no heater
>>> core)
>>>
>>> - Is it ok to use standard coolant in the 912
> yet? (I tend to go places
>>> that are pretty far off the beaten path. At times
> regular coolant can be
>>> hard enough to find, much less Waterless EVANs NPG)
>>>
>>> - What is the best oil to run?
>>>
>>> - And last but not least, I heard I have to bleed
> the oil and coolant
>>> systems of trapped air prior to starting the
> engine. Is this true? And
>>> how
>>> does one do it if it is?
>>>
>>> Suggestions? Ideas? Advice?
>>>
>>> Paul Seehafer
>>> Central Wisconsin
>>> Model IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Gary,
Good News!!
Lowell
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in
> the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner,
> new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller
> parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough.
> Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine
> always stays attached to the airframe.
>
> Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
> hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is
> good to be back in the saddle again.
>
> WooHoo!!
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Subject: | C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Gary,
Great news! Thanks for sharing your excitement.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in
the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner,
new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller
parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough.
Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine
always stays attached to the airframe.
Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is
good to be back in the saddle again.
WooHoo!!
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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Subject: | Re: Building A grass Strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco@cs.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JJProbasco@cs.com
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
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Subject: | C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Gary,
Congrats... Glad to hear you flying again...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in
the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner,
new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller
parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough.
Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine
always stays attached to the airframe.
Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is
good to be back in the saddle again.
WooHoo!!
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Gary, Congrats !!
I have read about those NSI props and I am not sure why anyone would
ever trust one again. Apparently on rotax 912 they are a bad combo
especially.
That Lance Wheeler of NSI has a bad, bad history of being a shady
character. I think RAA from Canada has documented it over the last
year or so that I have read.
Did NSI ever compensate you for the Faulty prop? I think this should
be a warning to anyone that would ever own one or consider a NSI
product.
I talked once to Presidient of RAA and he told me some stories on NSI
and Lance Wheeler that would make you wonder why he still in business.
If anyone has issues , I would direct you to www.raa.ca and findthe
president -- and he will set you straight if you think this NSI has a
good safety record.
Oh Well lesson learnt and you sound like your procient piloting skills
really helped you out of a very bad situation and with a happy ending.
My hat goes off for you and for your excellent piloting skills.
Kirby.......... another Ontario native :-)
Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is
back in
> the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new
spinner,
> new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and
smaller
> parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard
enough.
> Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the
engine
> always stays attached to the airframe.
>
> Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
> hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience.
Sure is
> good to be back in the saddle again.
>
> WooHoo!!
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
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Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <shane2005@qiniq.com>
Great news Gary. Now that it is summer you will have to get those floats in
shape again.
Shane
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in
> the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner,
> new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller
> parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough.
> Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine
> always stays attached to the airframe.
>
> Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
> hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is
> good to be back in the saddle again.
>
> WooHoo!!
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes<mailto:msm_9949@yahoo.com>
To: Matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com<mailto:msm_9949@yahoo.com>>
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of
turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to
achieve a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
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Subject: | C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been a
failure of a certified prop or hub? You think every time something breaks on
a plane the manufacturer is going to pay for it. Get real. No, it should not
have failed, but there is no document that has been published that I am
aware of that legally places the blame with NSI and not operator error. Ever
heard of a prop failure due to running it in the wrong RPM band. I cant
believe with as few dedicated small experimental suppliers out there you
would take such a cheap shot. Discussions like that are best done off list
and not presented as fact. To many people are turned away from a particular
vendor when malicious rumors are started. I have been flying behind the NSI
prop which is a Warp drive prop and an NSI hub for nearly 650 hours with no
trouble at all. No I don't know Lance personally nor do I own stock in the
company. I just hate it when some one who has work as long and hard as that
Man gets cheap shots. Think about what you put on the web. Its impact can be
great and destructive on many levels. Going flying now, with my NSI hub and
Warp drive prop. BTW Gary I too am glad you are well and flying once again.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kitfox@gto.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Gary, Congrats !!
I have read about those NSI props and I am not sure why anyone would
ever trust one again. Apparently on rotax 912 they are a bad combo
especially.
That Lance Wheeler of NSI has a bad, bad history of being a shady
character. I think RAA from Canada has documented it over the last
year or so that I have read.
Did NSI ever compensate you for the Faulty prop? I think this should
be a warning to anyone that would ever own one or consider a NSI
product.
I talked once to Presidient of RAA and he told me some stories on NSI
and Lance Wheeler that would make you wonder why he still in business.
If anyone has issues , I would direct you to www.raa.ca and findthe
president -- and he will set you straight if you think this NSI has a
good safety record.
Oh Well lesson learnt and you sound like your procient piloting skills
really helped you out of a very bad situation and with a happy ending.
My hat goes off for you and for your excellent piloting skills.
Kirby.......... another Ontario native :-)
Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is
back in
> the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new
spinner,
> new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and
smaller
> parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard
enough.
> Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the
engine
> always stays attached to the airframe.
>
> Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
> hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience.
Sure is
> good to be back in the saddle again.
>
> WooHoo!!
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Michel,
Thanks for the very informative and educational tutorial. I appreciate the
history of it all.
Do Not Archive
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Rick, Since i do not have first hand experience I cannot verfiy that
NSI props are good or bad. But i did a search on Google and found
many many instances of NSI warnings.
Could this be fact or falicy ? Seems to me there has been troubles in
the past with NSI props. Can you dispute that??
I can find more info but the article written by Gary Walsh does infact
seem to be very thorough. Possibly Gary and others have had bad luck?
Or maybe you have had good luck?
Regardless, It seems that everyone should know of "potential Troubles"
as this product and manufacturer has incidents on record of failures.
So you cannot say they have not had issues if in fact some actualy flew
apart.
Perhaps in your wisdom, you could show us other props that have flown
aprt from other manufacturers.
IVO and GSC have a great record that I know of.
Best Regards,
Kirby
<<--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been
a
failure of a certified prop or hub? >>
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Subject: | Latest on 912 coolant and oil? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Gary,
Does the Mobil 1 Synthetic have the high pressure additives needed for gear
applications? It is these additives that make motorcycle oils appropriate
for the 900 series Rotax engines with gear boxes.
As to oil change procedures I just drain the oil tank and change the filter
and figure that the amount of oil still in the oil cooler, lines, and pump
are negligible and not worth the headaches in draining them. This results
in minimal headaches in getting air out of the lines too. I am pasting my
procedure below. Maybe some one can critique it. It is a synthesis of
comments gleaned from the list.
Oh, I use Honda GN4 oil. Didn't know until this thread that it was
synthetic.
1. "Burp" oil from crankcase to tank by turning prop forward until you heal
impolite sounds from the open oil tank.
2. Fill the new filter with new oil. (This takes a while, but can be done
while doing other things.)
3. Remove and replace old oil filter with new full oil filter. (Somewhat
messy, but not much more than removing old filter.)
4. Drain oil from tank. Replace and re-safety-wire the plug. Put in 3
quarts of oil and check level. Add more as needed.
5. Crank the engine for three 10 second interval with at least 2 minutes
between cranks with out starting engine. This is to get any air out of the
oil line.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gjglh@cebridge.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <gjglh@cebridge.net>
Has anyone heard any pros or cons on mobil 1 synthetic. That's what I have
been using for the 400 hrs.
Gary
SPD912LS
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Subject: | C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
No I don't care to go there. In my wisdom I am sure the only prop failures
that have ever occurred and for that matter crashes in all areas of aviation
are due to NSIs poor quality. Incidents need to be reported for all. It is
the personal attack and lack of impartial investigation and reporting I
object too. AS far as my wisdom goes, I have found the older I get the less
I know. I struggle to remain silent.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kitfox@gto.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Rick, Since i do not have first hand experience I cannot verfiy that
NSI props are good or bad. But i did a search on Google and found
many many instances of NSI warnings.
Could this be fact or falicy ? Seems to me there has been troubles in
the past with NSI props. Can you dispute that??
I can find more info but the article written by Gary Walsh does infact
seem to be very thorough. Possibly Gary and others have had bad luck?
Or maybe you have had good luck?
Regardless, It seems that everyone should know of "potential Troubles"
as this product and manufacturer has incidents on record of failures.
So you cannot say they have not had issues if in fact some actualy flew
apart.
Perhaps in your wisdom, you could show us other props that have flown
aprt from other manufacturers.
IVO and GSC have a great record that I know of.
Best Regards,
Kirby
<<--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been
a
failure of a certified prop or hub? >>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Rick, IT seems thast Mr Wheeler is fully aware of th problems with
this propellor cuff. Surely he is pissed that so much attention was
given and posssibly that is why Gary Walsh has a IVO prop now.
Hopefully there will be no more incidents with NSI props , but with
what i have read today and in the past-- the problem still exists.
Kirby...... wiser and older too :)
http://www.saaa.com/home.php
<<<<Gary,
We have never spoken, but in Canada I occupy a position similar to
yours in Australia. For the past few months I have been following up
problems with the NSI CAP 140 propeller, when installed on the Rotax
912S engine. Today in a phone conversation with Lance Wheeler, the
principle at NSI, it was decided to send out an AD. Below is the text
of what I have sent out to our members in Canada, to the EAA in the US,
and to the PFA in England.
Please feel free to use this, with the proviso that it must be
reproduced only in whole. Also, I would like at some time in the near
future to contact you to see how your country's manufacturers are
intending to deal with the new Light Sport category in the USA. I am
currently workimg on this in Canada, and will be having meetings with
our domestic manufacturers.
Best regards,
Gary Wolf
President, Recreational Aircraft Association Canada
>>>
.... Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
No I don't care to go there. In my wisdom I am sure the only prop
failures
that have ever occurred and for that matter crashes in all areas of
aviation
are due to NSIs poor quality. Incidents need to be reported for all. It
is
the personal attack and lack of impartial investigation and reporting
I
object too. AS far as my wisdom goes, I have found the older I get the
less
I know. I struggle to remain silent.
Rick....
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Subject: | Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for the 411 Lowell. Since the 912 only uses a
couple of qtrs and I change about twice a year I've
had the case for a couple of years. I'll check and
may have to switch over myself.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
oil?
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
>It was previously on the recommended list. Last
year at the Rotax forum at
>Oshkosh, Eric Tucker said the new revision of the
recommended list was due
>to the EPA ruling that certain antifoaming additives
were no longer allowed.
>He did mention Motul 5100 by name and apparently the
testing Rotax does
>showed that it no longer met it's foamilg limits.
This is my understanding.
>
>All of the oils in the new list have been tested by
Rotax to meet it's
>specifications. This is not to imply that other
oils do not as I doubt they
>have tested them all. But, the report was that the
oils they recommend have
>been tested in house, rather than merely looking at
the refiners specs.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
oil?
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
<FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Hey Lowell,
>>
>> What's the skinny on the Motul 5100? I've been
using
>> it now for a while?? I just finished up a case my
>> last oil change...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
>> oil?
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>>I suspect that Rotax will have a hard time
>> recommending another engine
>>>manufacturers oil, so my "guess" is that the Honda
>> oil would otherwise be on
>>>the list. That said, the reason I am using the oil
>> from the accepted list
>>>is that an I used to use and previously listedt was
>> delisted because of the
>>>the EPA mandated formula change on that brand of
oil
>> (Motul 5100). I began
>>>using an oil formulated and sold by California
Power
>> Systems (a Rotax
>>>distributor). Eric said they were planning on
>> testing that oil for the
>>>foaming problem - nothing yet. I have discontinued
>> using that oil.
>>>
>>>Keep in mind that the reason for the new dipstick
>> was at least in part to
>>>compensate for the foaming issue. Rotax has
>> published a number of bulletins
>>>regarding the problems of air in the oil system and
>> this is an area where
>>>caution is appropriate as it seems to me that the
>> vibration issues with our
>>>engines - spinning a prop - is a bit different
than
>> a motorcycle, spinning
>>>a chain. I'm usually a bit skeptical of
>> manufacturers claims if it has to
>>>do with recommending their own products etc. but
>> Eric spent a bit of time on
>>>this issue last year at OSH and it got me a little
>> concerned.
>>>
>>>Lowell
>>>
>>>Lowell
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
<rdmac@swbell.net>
>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
>> oil?
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and
>> Roger McConnell"
>>>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>> I too am getting ready to fire up my
engine
>> in the next few days. I
>>>> agree with John on the Honda oil. I called
>> Lockwood and asked them about
>>>> using the Honda oil and there comment was 'If
it's
>> good enough for Honda
>>>> engines its good enough for Rotax'. The oil is a
>> full synthetic with gear
>>>> additives. As for coolant I'm using Dexcool and
>> distilled water 50/50.
>>>> Roger Mac
>>>> N619RM ready to taxi
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]
On
>> Behalf Of jdmcbean
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant
>> and oil?
>>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
>> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>> I'm sure you'll get varying comments.
>> Usually it's a good idea to
>>>> follow
>>>> the Engine manufactures recommendation. OK I've
>> said it.... I follow the
>>>> previous recommendation.. 50/50 mix. Use a
>> extended life Antifreeze that
>>>> is
>>>> Silicate Free and I use distilled water.
>>>>
>>>> As for oil... Myself and several others have had
>> great success with Honda
>>>> Pro GN4. You can get it from the local Honda
>> shop, it has the gear
>>>> additive
>>>> for the gear box.. Designed for high rpm engines.
>>>>
>>>> I run 100LL on the 912S and add the TCP that I
>> sell religiously. I also
>>>> change the oil every 25-30 hours. The results
say
>> you could probably go
>>>> longer but I have always felt that the oil is the
>> life blood of the engine
>>>> and therefore I change it regularly. Because of
>> the lead in the fuel I do
>>>> pull the tank and clean it as well... "get the
>> lead out"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fly Safe !!
>>>> John & Debra McBean
>>>> www.sportplanellc.com
>>>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
>> Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
>> oil?
>>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul
Seehafer"
>> <av8rps@tznet.com>
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting ready to run my 912ul on my model IV,
>> so I went and read all
>>>> of
>>>> that (very confusing) stuff on the www.rotax-
>> owners.com site for the
>>>> latest
>>>> and greatest on coolants and oils, plus I
searched
>> the kitfox list for
>>>> info.
>>>> But I haven't found anything real current. And
>> seeing how this stuff
>>>> seems
>>>> to be continually changing, I thought I had
better
>> ask all of you before
>>>> putting the wrong stuff in my engine.
>>>>
>>>> So, my questions are;
>>>>
>>>> - Has there been any updated information on
>> coolant requirements?
>>>>
>>>> - Is Evans Waterless coolant still the way to go?
>>>>
>>>> - How much coolant will I need to buy for my
912ul
>> Model IV (no heater
>>>> core)
>>>>
>>>> - Is it ok to use standard coolant in the 912
>> yet? (I tend to go places
>>>> that are pretty far off the beaten path. At
times
>> regular coolant can be
>>>> hard enough to find, much less Waterless EVANs
NPG)
>>>>
>>>> - What is the best oil to run?
>>>>
>>>> - And last but not least, I heard I have to bleed
>> the oil and coolant
>>>> systems of trapped air prior to starting the
>> engine. Is this true? And
>>>> how
>>>> does one do it if it is?
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions? Ideas? Advice?
>>>>
>>>> Paul Seehafer
>>>> Central Wisconsin
>>>> Model IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was
weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding
the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid
around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild
kit.
I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 - N99KX
RAY Gignac <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes >
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of turning
authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to achieve
a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary
buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary
buy no damage, except to ego.
I must have missed something here. Why would anyone advise against high speed taxi
tests?
Dee Young
KF II N345DY
---------------------------------
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Well, if you apply brake to assist you in turning, and the brake is mush then turning
won't be as tight. I may have misunderstood you on your problem! but when
the brake is applied it should turn on the dime.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes<mailto:msm_9949@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com<mailto:msm_9949@yahoo.com>>
As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was
weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding
the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid
around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild
kit.
I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 - N99KX
RAY Gignac <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes >
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of
turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to
achieve a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
---------------------------------
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
I have done the so called high speed taxi myself, no problems. It's the same as
full throttle take off or the landing. Keep directional control and you go
down center line!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
I must have missed something here. Why would anyone advise against high speed
taxi tests?
Dee Young
KF II N345DY
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
I have the same problem with my matco brakes! pilot side is nice and turns on
the dime, the passenger side is another question! not as tight and some fluid
always seems to seep from the threads on the bleeder valve. I will buy a rebuild
kit at Oshkosh if matco has them at the sale tent.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes<mailto:msm_9949@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com<mailto:msm_9949@yahoo.com>>
As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was
weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding
the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid
around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild
kit.
I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 - N99KX
RAY Gignac <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes >
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of
turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to
achieve a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
---------------------------------
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Subject: | Windshield Fasteners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Thanks John, Jeff, and John,
It sounds like a lot of work to put in the nuts, but it might be
worth it for maintenance. I particularly like the O-ring ideal.
Guy
At 06:20 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>I used 2.2mm stainless scews and nyliock nuts. Wee bit more weight but being
>able to controll the tension on on the screen is a positive to me. Makes it
>easy when change tome comes too.
>John A. Series 5 Turbo Subaru..
>
>
>From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshield Fasteners
>Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:00:44 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>Hi everybody.
> What should I use to fasten my windshield/skylight. The manual
>says aluminum rivet, I assume that's a pop rivet, but it could be a
>standard rivet as well. Should I fasten it with #6 screws and lock nuts for
>maintainability? Or is that too heavy and unnecessary? Thanks for the help.
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health
>
>
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
I received the following email forwarded to me by my son Mark. He has
received it from two friends who are Air Force Pilots. Mark checked it out
and all of the facts are true--not one of those urban legends. To the date
of his checking the story, the writer of the original complaint to the
newspaper had not apologized in any manner .
Some low level flights carry a higher priority. I thought some on the
Kitfox List would find this of interest with the recent accounts of low
level flying on our list.
Jim Crowder
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An excellent reply...
________________________________
"A wake-up call from Luke's darn jets" , Peoria News, Jun. 23, 2005 12:00
AM
Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the
morning air show?
Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 a.m., a tight formation of four F-16
jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road
at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune!
Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they
trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns' early-bird special?
Any response would be appreciated. - Tom MacRae, Peoria
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"Flyby honored fallen comrade" , Jun. 28, 2005 12:00 AM
Regarding "A wake-up call from Luke's jets" (Letters, Thursday):
On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship of F-16s
from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the
grave of Capt Jeremy Fresques.
Capt. Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at
Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day.
At 9 a.m. on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland
Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and
friend.
Based on the letter writer's recount of the flyby, and because of the
jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of
taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave
them their son's flag on behalf of the president of the United States
and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the
sacrifices they have endured.
A four-ship flyby is a display of respect the Air Force pays to those
who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators
and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer
witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects.
The letter writer asks, "Whom do we thank for the morning air show?"
The 56th Fighter Wing will call for you, and forward your thanks to the
widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was
in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their
lives.
Lt. Col. Scott Pleus
Luke Air Force Base
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
Gary,
Congrats!....Happy that you are finally back in the air. One year is way too
long to keep your feet on the ground.
regards
Bob R.
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
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> A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in
> the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner,
> new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller
> parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough.
> Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine
> always stays attached to the airframe.
>
> Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a
> hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is
> good to be back in the saddle again.
>
> WooHoo!!
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Unfortunately weve lost a veteran air show performer today.. Jimmy Franklin
and Bobby Younkin.. Jim Leroys Bulldog was also involved but was able to
land Apparently Jimmys wing walking son had just finished his routine and
was announcing the performance.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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