---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/10/05: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:33 AM - Email format. WAS 912S Installation (Michel Verheughe) 2. 12:50 AM - Re: Tyres ... again (Michel Verheughe) 3. 04:29 AM - C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfoxjunky) 4. 06:54 AM - Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? (Lowell Fitt) 5. 06:56 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Lowell Fitt) 6. 07:14 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Randy Daughenbaugh) 7. 07:20 AM - Re: Building A grass Strip (Paul Peerenboom) 8. 08:31 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (jdmcbean) 9. 09:26 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfox@gto.net) 10. 09:33 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Shane Sather) 11. 09:47 AM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac) 12. 10:04 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Rick) 13. 11:31 AM - Re: Email format. WAS 912S Installation (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 14. 12:33 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfox@gto.net) 15. 02:38 PM - Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? (Randy Daughenbaugh) 16. 03:04 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Rick) 17. 04:51 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfox@gto.net) 18. 05:51 PM - Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? (flier) 19. 06:40 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (Marco Menezes) 20. 08:08 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (Dee Young) 21. 08:39 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac) 22. 08:41 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac) 23. 08:52 PM - Re: Taxi Tests (RAY Gignac) 24. 09:48 PM - Re: Windshield Fasteners (Guy Buchanan) 25. 09:50 PM - Forward "an excellent reply" Fluff (Jim Crowder) 26. 09:54 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (aerocon1@telusplanet.net) 27. 10:33 PM - Airshow Midair (jdmcbean) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:30 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Email format. WAS 912S Installation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote: > AOL places a blue bar on what's copied. Rick, I don't think AOL does anything with the format of your email. You use a program to read and write your emails. I guess it is Microsoft Outlook. I use Netscape. There are many other email reader programs. But they all offer you to format your email in either "Plain text" or "HTML text." You should choose the former. Many decades ago, radio amateurs tried to encode words in a smarter way than the Morse code. They came with the Baudot code that developped later to the ASCII code. Unfortunately ASCII is not standard for all the letters of all the alphabets of the world. But if you write English, the first 64 ASCII codes are worldwide and contains all the letter you need. In the 70s, the world scientists working together on the particle accelerator of CERN, needed a way to exchange their work on the internet. A group of them developed the World Wide Web and the HTML codes. They used the already existing file structure called XML (tagged hypertext) and came with some standard tag naming. E.g. a tag called "i" would say the the following text is supposed to be displayed in Italic until meeting the closing tag "/i" And this is how we can today share information with formatted elements, photos, etc. A real revolution in the way we share information! But it is my opinion, shared by many, that an email should, as much as possible, remain a "simple text" thus not containing formatting elements like typeface style, etc. First, the Plain Text format is much, much more compact. Then HTML is not displayed the same way on all mail readers / browsers. In many cases, my Netscape browser can't read what is on the internet today. Then there is always the problem that codes in a HTML email can do things you don't really want it to do. Criminals are trying to hide things like spyware, viruses, etc. in emails. We know that. And this is probably why Matronics will only accept the simplest form of ASCII (plain text) email. Even to the point that they disreagard non-English characters. ... So, you'll never see me write Norwegian or French on this list! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:53 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tyres ... again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Lowell Fitt wrote: > Michel, I intended to respond to the why question, but time got away from > me. The smooth tires or a very small rib will not catch rocks that can > damage the fabric if thrown at sufficient velocity. Thanks Lowell! Of course, it makes sense! Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:16 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again Serialize complete at 07/10/2005 07:22:26 AM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine always stays attached to the airframe. Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is good to be back in the saddle again. WooHoo!! Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:08 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" It was previously on the recommended list. Last year at the Rotax forum at Oshkosh, Eric Tucker said the new revision of the recommended list was due to the EPA ruling that certain antifoaming additives were no longer allowed. He did mention Motul 5100 by name and apparently the testing Rotax does showed that it no longer met it's foamilg limits. This is my understanding. All of the oils in the new list have been tested by Rotax to meet it's specifications. This is not to imply that other oils do not as I doubt they have tested them all. But, the report was that the oils they recommend have been tested in house, rather than merely looking at the refiners specs. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" > > Hey Lowell, > > What's the skinny on the Motul 5100? I've been using > it now for a while?? I just finished up a case my > last oil change... > > Thanks, > > Ted > > --- Original Message --- > From: "Lowell Fitt" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and > oil? > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > >> >>I suspect that Rotax will have a hard time > recommending another engine >>manufacturers oil, so my "guess" is that the Honda > oil would otherwise be on >>the list. That said, the reason I am using the oil > from the accepted list >>is that an I used to use and previously listedt was > delisted because of the >>the EPA mandated formula change on that brand of oil > (Motul 5100). I began >>using an oil formulated and sold by California Power > Systems (a Rotax >>distributor). Eric said they were planning on > testing that oil for the >>foaming problem - nothing yet. I have discontinued > using that oil. >> >>Keep in mind that the reason for the new dipstick > was at least in part to >>compensate for the foaming issue. Rotax has > published a number of bulletins >>regarding the problems of air in the oil system and > this is an area where >>caution is appropriate as it seems to me that the > vibration issues with our >>engines - spinning a prop - is a bit different than > a motorcycle, spinning >>a chain. I'm usually a bit skeptical of > manufacturers claims if it has to >>do with recommending their own products etc. but > Eric spent a bit of time on >>this issue last year at OSH and it got me a little > concerned. >> >>Lowell >> >>Lowell >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" >>To: >>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and > oil? >> >> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and > Roger McConnell" >>> >>> >>> Paul, >>> I too am getting ready to fire up my engine > in the next few days. I >>> agree with John on the Honda oil. I called > Lockwood and asked them about >>> using the Honda oil and there comment was 'If it's > good enough for Honda >>> engines its good enough for Rotax'. The oil is a > full synthetic with gear >>> additives. As for coolant I'm using Dexcool and > distilled water 50/50. >>> Roger Mac >>> N619RM ready to taxi >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of jdmcbean >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant > and oil? >>> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > >>> >>> Paul, >>> I'm sure you'll get varying comments. > Usually it's a good idea to >>> follow >>> the Engine manufactures recommendation. OK I've > said it.... I follow the >>> previous recommendation.. 50/50 mix. Use a > extended life Antifreeze that >>> is >>> Silicate Free and I use distilled water. >>> >>> As for oil... Myself and several others have had > great success with Honda >>> Pro GN4. You can get it from the local Honda > shop, it has the gear >>> additive >>> for the gear box.. Designed for high rpm engines. >>> >>> I run 100LL on the 912S and add the TCP that I > sell religiously. I also >>> change the oil every 25-30 hours. The results say > you could probably go >>> longer but I have always felt that the oil is the > life blood of the engine >>> and therefore I change it regularly. Because of > the lead in the fuel I do >>> pull the tank and clean it as well... "get the > lead out" >>> >>> >>> Fly Safe !! >>> John & Debra McBean >>> www.sportplanellc.com >>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Seehafer >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and > oil? >>> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" > >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I'm getting ready to run my 912ul on my model IV, > so I went and read all >>> of >>> that (very confusing) stuff on the www.rotax- > owners.com site for the >>> latest >>> and greatest on coolants and oils, plus I searched > the kitfox list for >>> info. >>> But I haven't found anything real current. And > seeing how this stuff >>> seems >>> to be continually changing, I thought I had better > ask all of you before >>> putting the wrong stuff in my engine. >>> >>> So, my questions are; >>> >>> - Has there been any updated information on > coolant requirements? >>> >>> - Is Evans Waterless coolant still the way to go? >>> >>> - How much coolant will I need to buy for my 912ul > Model IV (no heater >>> core) >>> >>> - Is it ok to use standard coolant in the 912 > yet? (I tend to go places >>> that are pretty far off the beaten path. At times > regular coolant can be >>> hard enough to find, much less Waterless EVANs NPG) >>> >>> - What is the best oil to run? >>> >>> - And last but not least, I heard I have to bleed > the oil and coolant >>> systems of trapped air prior to starting the > engine. Is this true? And >>> how >>> does one do it if it is? >>> >>> Suggestions? Ideas? Advice? >>> >>> Paul Seehafer >>> Central Wisconsin >>> Model IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_- > ====================================================== > ====== > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > List >>_- > ====================================================== > ====== >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:03 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Gary, Good News!! Lowell do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxjunky" Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > > A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in > the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, > new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller > parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. > Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine > always stays attached to the airframe. > > Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a > hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is > good to be back in the saddle again. > > WooHoo!! > > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:45 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Gary, Great news! Thanks for sharing your excitement. Randy Do not archive. . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine always stays attached to the airframe. Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is good to be back in the saddle again. WooHoo!! Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:21 AM PST US From: "Paul Peerenboom" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to prevent you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an private airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but it wasn't that hard. Paul N102DG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > Jeff, > What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone > with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about > registering > it. He said there is no value in registering it. > > I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you > register > your strip. > > I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested in > registering it. > > Randy > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > JJProbasco@cs.com > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JJProbasco@cs.com > > I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall. > The > > paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well > that's another story. > > Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air > space > and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in > the > overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with the > division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your > state. > PA > was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary > forms/or > pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories. > > Jeff > Model 5, NSI CAP, still building > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:07 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Gary, Congrats... Glad to hear you flying again... Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine always stays attached to the airframe. Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is good to be back in the saddle again. WooHoo!! Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again From: kitfox@gto.net --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net Gary, Congrats !! I have read about those NSI props and I am not sure why anyone would ever trust one again. Apparently on rotax 912 they are a bad combo especially. That Lance Wheeler of NSI has a bad, bad history of being a shady character. I think RAA from Canada has documented it over the last year or so that I have read. Did NSI ever compensate you for the Faulty prop? I think this should be a warning to anyone that would ever own one or consider a NSI product. I talked once to Presidient of RAA and he told me some stories on NSI and Lance Wheeler that would make you wonder why he still in business. If anyone has issues , I would direct you to www.raa.ca and findthe president -- and he will set you straight if you think this NSI has a good safety record. Oh Well lesson learnt and you sound like your procient piloting skills really helped you out of a very bad situation and with a happy ending. My hat goes off for you and for your excellent piloting skills. Kirby.......... another Ontario native :-) Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in > the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, > new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller > parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. > Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine > always stays attached to the airframe. > > Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a > hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is > good to be back in the saddle again. > > WooHoo!! > > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:18 AM PST US From: "Shane Sather" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" Great news Gary. Now that it is summer you will have to get those floats in shape again. Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxjunky" Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > > A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in > the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, > new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller > parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. > Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine > always stays attached to the airframe. > > Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a > hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is > good to be back in the saddle again. > > WooHoo!! > > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:52 AM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" Hello, One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving freely, you might have this problem. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Menezes To: Matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes > Kitfox list: I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out. Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to achieve a sluggish left turn. I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little. There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas? Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary buy no damage, except to ego. Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 - 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:13 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been a failure of a certified prop or hub? You think every time something breaks on a plane the manufacturer is going to pay for it. Get real. No, it should not have failed, but there is no document that has been published that I am aware of that legally places the blame with NSI and not operator error. Ever heard of a prop failure due to running it in the wrong RPM band. I cant believe with as few dedicated small experimental suppliers out there you would take such a cheap shot. Discussions like that are best done off list and not presented as fact. To many people are turned away from a particular vendor when malicious rumors are started. I have been flying behind the NSI prop which is a Warp drive prop and an NSI hub for nearly 650 hours with no trouble at all. No I don't know Lance personally nor do I own stock in the company. I just hate it when some one who has work as long and hard as that Man gets cheap shots. Think about what you put on the web. Its impact can be great and destructive on many levels. Going flying now, with my NSI hub and Warp drive prop. BTW Gary I too am glad you are well and flying once again. Rick N656T -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfox@gto.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net Gary, Congrats !! I have read about those NSI props and I am not sure why anyone would ever trust one again. Apparently on rotax 912 they are a bad combo especially. That Lance Wheeler of NSI has a bad, bad history of being a shady character. I think RAA from Canada has documented it over the last year or so that I have read. Did NSI ever compensate you for the Faulty prop? I think this should be a warning to anyone that would ever own one or consider a NSI product. I talked once to Presidient of RAA and he told me some stories on NSI and Lance Wheeler that would make you wonder why he still in business. If anyone has issues , I would direct you to www.raa.ca and findthe president -- and he will set you straight if you think this NSI has a good safety record. Oh Well lesson learnt and you sound like your procient piloting skills really helped you out of a very bad situation and with a happy ending. My hat goes off for you and for your excellent piloting skills. Kirby.......... another Ontario native :-) Subject: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in > the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, > new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller > parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. > Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine > always stays attached to the airframe. > > Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a > hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is > good to be back in the saddle again. > > WooHoo!! > > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:55 AM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Email format. WAS 912S Installation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com Michel, Thanks for the very informative and educational tutorial. I appreciate the history of it all. Do Not Archive Rick Weiss Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again From: kitfox@gto.net --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net Rick, Since i do not have first hand experience I cannot verfiy that NSI props are good or bad. But i did a search on Google and found many many instances of NSI warnings. Could this be fact or falicy ? Seems to me there has been troubles in the past with NSI props. Can you dispute that?? I can find more info but the article written by Gary Walsh does infact seem to be very thorough. Possibly Gary and others have had bad luck? Or maybe you have had good luck? Regardless, It seems that everyone should know of "potential Troubles" as this product and manufacturer has incidents on record of failures. So you cannot say they have not had issues if in fact some actualy flew apart. Perhaps in your wisdom, you could show us other props that have flown aprt from other manufacturers. IVO and GSC have a great record that I know of. Best Regards, Kirby <<--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been a failure of a certified prop or hub? >> SAAA - We are the Builders of AUSTRALIAN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFTImmediate NSI Prop AD. Forthcoming Events. Guido Zuccoli Scholarship ... Immediate NSI Prop AD. 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To: (Recipients of 'building-fwf-alt' suppressed); Subject: NSI PROP. ... archives.glastar.org/0408/msg00147.html - 8k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages NSI PROP... NSI PROP. To: (Recipients of 'building-fwf' suppressed); Subject: NSI PROP; From: "building-fwf Listmanager" ; ... archives.glastar.org/0009/msg00354.html - 4k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from archives.glastar.org ] OziPilots Online Forums - Immediate NSI Prop ADSEF friendly index version. OziPilots Online Forums > UseNet Newsgroups > rec.aviation.ultralight > Immediate NSI Prop AD. ... Immediate NSI Prop AD ... www.ozipilotsonline.com.au/forums/showthread. php?s=0e3e579397957e383a6ca2d8ab04f203&threadid=16878&am... - 20k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Australian Sport Rotorcraft Association Inc Forums - Hunter Valley ...The engine is EA81, the Redrive is NSI, Prop is Warp Drive and the Rotors Rick's, 27ft I think. I do not have any C of G figures but I do have some ... www.asra.org.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=197 - 71k - Cached - Similar pages Australian Sport Rotorcraft Association Inc Forums... to help out here. The engine is EA81, the Redrive is NSI, Prop is Warp Drive and the Rotors Rick's, 27ft I think. I do not have ... www.asra.org.au/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote& REPLY_ID=440&TOPIC_ID=197&FORUM_ID=26 - 47k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.asra.org.au ] The Europa Club - Nigel Charles, Modifications RepresentativeThe NSI prop is shortly being replaced with the latest Airmaster prop. G-MIME first flew in August 2001 and received its permit in December 2001. ... www.europaclub.org.uk/club/nigel_charles.shtml - 6k - Cached - Similar pages EuropaOwners Builders and flyer of Europa Homebuilt kit aircraft.NSI Prop. ... Status: -, PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: NSI Prop, Reply with quote. Pete, Sorry to hear about the incident. ... www.europaowners.org/ viewtopic.php?p=996&sid=abf379b3f49276a7445b54e047079a7f - 26k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages EuropaOwners Builders and flyer of Europa Homebuilt kit aircraft.... They tend to overpromise and underdeliver< I can confirm this. When I had an NSI prop I have never had such poor customer service from any company. ... www.europaowners.org/ viewtopic.php?t=263&sid=76b36e3c50c21c4f1c29584315676358 - 30k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.europaowners.org ] General AviationSpecial Safety Feature * NSI PROP FAILURE Are YOU Safe? 6 18 Mar 27 2005, 09:30 AM In: By: This forum is dedicated to the Kitfox Builders and Flyers. ... www.flighttrainingresources.com/ Directory/General_Aviation/ - 93k - Cached - Similar pages GlaStar NSI Engine Group - Installing PropellerThe new NSI prop is 74" so something had to be done. We modified the nose wheel axle to lower it 2''. Just used 1/8" steel plates attached to the original ... www.glastar.ch/nsi/installing/propeller/propeller.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages GlaStar NSI Engine Group - Operating EngineI recommend that to anyone with the NSI prop, and its probably a good idea with any prop. My engine is also turbine smooth at high rpm and has its "sweet ... www.glastar.ch/nsi/operating/engine/engine.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages [PDF] January 16 AnnounceFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... Other members want to learn from you. Please e-mail photos and text to gregdesign@telus.net NSI PROP UPDATE Still no response from ... members.shaw.ca/m1.mustang/ Spinner/RAA/January%2016%20Announce.pdf - Supplemental Result - Similar pages [PDF] Feb. 09/2005 Announce CARs EXEMPTIONS - SOME GOOD NEWSFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... We did use the CADORs to show Transport that the NSI prop had actually had an earlier failure in Ottawa back in 1997, and that it had been investigated by the ... members.shaw.ca/m1.mustang/ Spinner/RAA/Feb%2009%202005%20Announce.pdf - Supplemental Result - Similar pages SuperCub.org :: View topic - Turbine Super Cub... The other issue is the prop. As I understand, the NSI prop is designed for fast aircraft and has a high speed airfoil. It is also a composite prop. ... supercub.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=54730 - 82k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Kitfox-List Archive Browser... A slipper clutch was installed at the same time. The engine is also relatively new, being installed shortly before the NSI prop was added. ... www.matronics.com/archive/archive-get. cgi?Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-ba - 101k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/12/03 ...... The NSI prop was built for and is a perfect match for the NSI EA81. ... Don't know about the IVO, I but do know that the NSI prop is strong. ... www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list/ Digest.Kitfox-List.2003-12-12.txt - 31k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.matronics.com ] Rotary Wing Forum - I Did It....ordered an IVO CAP... What model IVO blades are used? From experience with the cockpit adjustable NSI prop, it pays to order the cockpit pitch readout accessory. ... www.rotaryforum.com/forum/printthread.php?t=1676 - 20k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [PDF] Chapter 54 NewsFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Page 1. Chapter 54 News - December 2002 PAGE 1 I m borrowing an idea from Holly- wood just to make a point. Al Burns found an ... www.eaa54.org/Newsletters/54NewsletterDecember2002.pdf - Supplemental Result - Similar pages My GyroMy Gyro. Engine: Subaru EJ22 PRSU: NSI Prop: Warp Drive Rotor Blades: Dragon Wings Empty Weight: 683 lbs. First Flight. What a thrill! Another view. ... members.fortunecity.com/lsippell/Page2.html - 9k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages rec.aviation.ultralight... One Million FR.EE Visitors **, Wayne Chislett, 27 oct 2004 [07:09]. Immediate NSI Prop AD, Robert Schieck, 27 oct 2004 [04:54]. Ultralight ... rec.aviation.ultralight.newsgrouptopics.com/ - 83k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages EuropaOwners :: View Forum - Europa-List... Posting from Gary Walsh to Europa list...NSI Prop Failure, 0, mj.gregory at talk21.com, 9, Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:28 pm mj.gregory at talk21.com View latest post. ... forum.okhuijsen.org/viewforum.php?f=23& sid=8777a7f5c21976e230c8af2e86c4228c - 80k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Immediate NSI Prop AD... << Topic, < Post, Post 1 of 1 Topic 828 of 917, Post >, Topic >>. Immediate NSI Prop AD. ... Gary Wolf President, RAA Canada. 1 Posts in Topic: Immediate NSI Prop AD ... www.talkaboutaviation.com/group/ rec.aviation.ultralight/messages/61566.html - 11k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Ultralight, glider... 6, Oct 27, 2004 10:22 PM. Immediate NSI Prop AD, robert schieck Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Gary, Does the Mobil 1 Synthetic have the high pressure additives needed for gear applications? It is these additives that make motorcycle oils appropriate for the 900 series Rotax engines with gear boxes. As to oil change procedures I just drain the oil tank and change the filter and figure that the amount of oil still in the oil cooler, lines, and pump are negligible and not worth the headaches in draining them. This results in minimal headaches in getting air out of the lines too. I am pasting my procedure below. Maybe some one can critique it. It is a synthesis of comments gleaned from the list. Oh, I use Honda GN4 oil. Didn't know until this thread that it was synthetic. 1. "Burp" oil from crankcase to tank by turning prop forward until you heal impolite sounds from the open oil tank. 2. Fill the new filter with new oil. (This takes a while, but can be done while doing other things.) 3. Remove and replace old oil filter with new full oil filter. (Somewhat messy, but not much more than removing old filter.) 4. Drain oil from tank. Replace and re-safety-wire the plug. Put in 3 quarts of oil and check level. Add more as needed. 5. Crank the engine for three 10 second interval with at least 2 minutes between cranks with out starting engine. This is to get any air out of the oil line. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gjglh@cebridge.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Has anyone heard any pros or cons on mobil 1 synthetic. That's what I have been using for the 400 hrs. Gary SPD912LS ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:50 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" No I don't care to go there. In my wisdom I am sure the only prop failures that have ever occurred and for that matter crashes in all areas of aviation are due to NSIs poor quality. Incidents need to be reported for all. It is the personal attack and lack of impartial investigation and reporting I object too. AS far as my wisdom goes, I have found the older I get the less I know. I struggle to remain silent. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfox@gto.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net Rick, Since i do not have first hand experience I cannot verfiy that NSI props are good or bad. But i did a search on Google and found many many instances of NSI warnings. Could this be fact or falicy ? Seems to me there has been troubles in the past with NSI props. Can you dispute that?? I can find more info but the article written by Gary Walsh does infact seem to be very thorough. Possibly Gary and others have had bad luck? Or maybe you have had good luck? Regardless, It seems that everyone should know of "potential Troubles" as this product and manufacturer has incidents on record of failures. So you cannot say they have not had issues if in fact some actualy flew apart. Perhaps in your wisdom, you could show us other props that have flown aprt from other manufacturers. IVO and GSC have a great record that I know of. Best Regards, Kirby <<--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been a failure of a certified prop or hub? >> SAAA - We are the Builders of AUSTRALIAN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFTImmediate NSI Prop AD. Forthcoming Events. Guido Zuccoli Scholarship ... Immediate NSI Prop AD. A Copy of a letter to Gary Spicer received from Gary Wolf ... www.saaa.com/home.php - 33k - Cached - Similar pages SAAA - We are the Builders of AUSTRALIAN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT... New Members Insurance Available! Members Fuel Deal. Immediate NSI Prop AD. SAAA opposes Victorian aerodrome fees bill. ... (Back to top) Immediate NSI Prop AD. ... www.saaa.com/home.php?contentpage=news_ paras&PHPSESSID=214bba5b30c15a63ec2b556680f9a4d7 - 34k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Steve Trentman's Turbine Powered KR2TLandings now are lots of fun with the NSI prop, The engine being a free turbine I can control the N1 rpm (power) and the N2 rpm (prop speed) Throttle ... home.hiwaay.net/~langford/strent.html - 4k - Cached - Similar pages Garrett JFS 100-13A Turboshaft engine (Zodiac powerplant - kit ...We recorded on a clear cold day/61deg/30.37 baro 390 lbs of thrust at 71000.00 rpm on N1/2090rpm-prop15 deg pitch on the nsi prop/ 17.7 gph fuel flow. ... www.zenithair.com/misc/turbine-power.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages Aircraft for Sale,Kitfox for sale, Free Aviation Classifeds ...NSI PROP FAILURE * * Are YOU Safe? 7, 18, Jun 4 2005, 07:47 PM In: Last Post Somebody Is Going To Get A ... By: Rich Young. No New Posts, Kitfox test Forum ... kitfox.lazair.com/ - 22k - Cached - Similar pages KitfoxClark Kitfox, early model, Subaru EA-81, NSI prop (Photo & Caption Only). 2000. 06. 78. Sport Aviation. Steinbaum Model IV, Rotax 582, BRS parachute (Photo ... members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/ selecting/kits/Kitfox.html - 108k - Cached - Similar pages Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 10/24/04NSI Prop Failure (MJ Gregory). 9. 12:05 PM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Simon Smith) ... NSI Prop Failure. --> Europa-List message posted by: "MJ Gregory" ... www.opensubscriber.com/message/ europa-list-digest@matronics.com/94734.html - 58k - Cached - Similar pages NSI-VP prop... NSI VP prop. I have now about 120 hours on my NSI prop and Andreas (kit 133) has also clo se to 100 hours on his NSI prop. We are ... 131.238.38.204/~sarangan/mharc/ html//europa-list/1999-09/msg00060.html - 9k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Europa-List: NSI Prop... Europa-List: NSI Prop. ... Subject: Europa-List: NSI Prop. Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:47:37 GMT. ... Europa-List: NSI Prop, Erich Trombley <=. ... 131.238.38.204/~sarangan/mharc/ html//europa-list/2004-07/msg00333.html - 7k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from 131.238.38.204 ] aviation & planes - Immediate NSI Prop AD#1. October 27th 04, 09:56 PM. Robert Schieck. usenet poster. Posts: n/a. Immediate NSI Prop AD. FYI, From: Gary Wolf To: announce@raa ... www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=2865 - 37k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages aviation & planes - Immediate NSI Prop ADView Full Version : Immediate NSI Prop AD. Robert Schieck. FYI, From: Gary Wolf To: announce@raa.ca www.aviationbanter.com/ q-t_2865-Immediate-NSI-Prop-AD.html - 7k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.aviationbanter.com ] NSI PROP.[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] NSI PROP. To: (Recipients of 'building-fwf-alt' suppressed); Subject: NSI PROP. ... archives.glastar.org/0408/msg00147.html - 8k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages NSI PROP... NSI PROP. To: (Recipients of 'building-fwf' suppressed); Subject: NSI PROP; From: "building-fwf Listmanager" ; ... archives.glastar.org/0009/msg00354.html - 4k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from archives.glastar.org ] OziPilots Online Forums - Immediate NSI Prop ADSEF friendly index version. OziPilots Online Forums > UseNet Newsgroups > rec.aviation.ultralight > Immediate NSI Prop AD. ... Immediate NSI Prop AD ... www.ozipilotsonline.com.au/forums/showthread. php?s=0e3e579397957e383a6ca2d8ab04f203&threadid=16878&am... - 20k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Australian Sport Rotorcraft Association Inc Forums - Hunter Valley ...The engine is EA81, the Redrive is NSI, Prop is Warp Drive and the Rotors Rick's, 27ft I think. I do not have any C of G figures but I do have some ... www.asra.org.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=197 - 71k - Cached - Similar pages Australian Sport Rotorcraft Association Inc Forums... to help out here. The engine is EA81, the Redrive is NSI, Prop is Warp Drive and the Rotors Rick's, 27ft I think. I do not have ... www.asra.org.au/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote& REPLY_ID=440&TOPIC_ID=197&FORUM_ID=26 - 47k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.asra.org.au ] The Europa Club - Nigel Charles, Modifications RepresentativeThe NSI prop is shortly being replaced with the latest Airmaster prop. G-MIME first flew in August 2001 and received its permit in December 2001. ... www.europaclub.org.uk/club/nigel_charles.shtml - 6k - Cached - Similar pages EuropaOwners Builders and flyer of Europa Homebuilt kit aircraft.NSI Prop. ... Status: -, PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: NSI Prop, Reply with quote. Pete, Sorry to hear about the incident. ... www.europaowners.org/ viewtopic.php?p=996&sid=abf379b3f49276a7445b54e047079a7f - 26k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages EuropaOwners Builders and flyer of Europa Homebuilt kit aircraft.... They tend to overpromise and underdeliver< I can confirm this. When I had an NSI prop I have never had such poor customer service from any company. ... www.europaowners.org/ viewtopic.php?t=263&sid=76b36e3c50c21c4f1c29584315676358 - 30k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.europaowners.org ] General AviationSpecial Safety Feature * NSI PROP FAILURE Are YOU Safe? 6 18 Mar 27 2005, 09:30 AM In: By: This forum is dedicated to the Kitfox Builders and Flyers. ... www.flighttrainingresources.com/ Directory/General_Aviation/ - 93k - Cached - Similar pages GlaStar NSI Engine Group - Installing PropellerThe new NSI prop is 74" so something had to be done. We modified the nose wheel axle to lower it 2''. Just used 1/8" steel plates attached to the original ... www.glastar.ch/nsi/installing/propeller/propeller.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages GlaStar NSI Engine Group - Operating EngineI recommend that to anyone with the NSI prop, and its probably a good idea with any prop. My engine is also turbine smooth at high rpm and has its "sweet ... www.glastar.ch/nsi/operating/engine/engine.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages [PDF] January 16 AnnounceFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... Other members want to learn from you. Please e-mail photos and text to gregdesign@telus.net NSI PROP UPDATE Still no response from ... members.shaw.ca/m1.mustang/ Spinner/RAA/January%2016%20Announce.pdf - Supplemental Result - Similar pages [PDF] Feb. 09/2005 Announce CARs EXEMPTIONS - SOME GOOD NEWSFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... We did use the CADORs to show Transport that the NSI prop had actually had an earlier failure in Ottawa back in 1997, and that it had been investigated by the ... members.shaw.ca/m1.mustang/ Spinner/RAA/Feb%2009%202005%20Announce.pdf - Supplemental Result - Similar pages SuperCub.org :: View topic - Turbine Super Cub... The other issue is the prop. As I understand, the NSI prop is designed for fast aircraft and has a high speed airfoil. It is also a composite prop. ... supercub.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=54730 - 82k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Kitfox-List Archive Browser... A slipper clutch was installed at the same time. The engine is also relatively new, being installed shortly before the NSI prop was added. ... www.matronics.com/archive/archive-get. cgi?Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-ba - 101k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/12/03 ...... The NSI prop was built for and is a perfect match for the NSI EA81. ... Don't know about the IVO, I but do know that the NSI prop is strong. ... www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list/ Digest.Kitfox-List.2003-12-12.txt - 31k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.matronics.com ] Rotary Wing Forum - I Did It....ordered an IVO CAP... What model IVO blades are used? From experience with the cockpit adjustable NSI prop, it pays to order the cockpit pitch readout accessory. ... www.rotaryforum.com/forum/printthread.php?t=1676 - 20k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages [PDF] Chapter 54 NewsFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Page 1. Chapter 54 News - December 2002 PAGE 1 I m borrowing an idea from Holly- wood just to make a point. Al Burns found an ... www.eaa54.org/Newsletters/54NewsletterDecember2002.pdf - Supplemental Result - Similar pages My GyroMy Gyro. Engine: Subaru EJ22 PRSU: NSI Prop: Warp Drive Rotor Blades: Dragon Wings Empty Weight: 683 lbs. First Flight. What a thrill! Another view. ... members.fortunecity.com/lsippell/Page2.html - 9k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages rec.aviation.ultralight... One Million FR.EE Visitors **, Wayne Chislett, 27 oct 2004 [07:09]. Immediate NSI Prop AD, Robert Schieck, 27 oct 2004 [04:54]. Ultralight ... rec.aviation.ultralight.newsgrouptopics.com/ - 83k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages EuropaOwners :: View Forum - Europa-List... Posting from Gary Walsh to Europa list...NSI Prop Failure, 0, mj.gregory at talk21.com, 9, Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:28 pm mj.gregory at talk21.com View latest post. ... forum.okhuijsen.org/viewforum.php?f=23& sid=8777a7f5c21976e230c8af2e86c4228c - 80k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Immediate NSI Prop AD... << Topic, < Post, Post 1 of 1 Topic 828 of 917, Post >, Topic >>. Immediate NSI Prop AD. ... Gary Wolf President, RAA Canada. 1 Posts in Topic: Immediate NSI Prop AD ... www.talkaboutaviation.com/group/ rec.aviation.ultralight/messages/61566.html - 11k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Ultralight, glider... 6, Oct 27, 2004 10:22 PM. Immediate NSI Prop AD, robert schieck Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net Rick, IT seems thast Mr Wheeler is fully aware of th problems with this propellor cuff. Surely he is pissed that so much attention was given and posssibly that is why Gary Walsh has a IVO prop now. Hopefully there will be no more incidents with NSI props , but with what i have read today and in the past-- the problem still exists. Kirby...... wiser and older too :) http://www.saaa.com/home.php <<<>> .... Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" No I don't care to go there. In my wisdom I am sure the only prop failures that have ever occurred and for that matter crashes in all areas of aviation are due to NSIs poor quality. Incidents need to be reported for all. It is the personal attack and lack of impartial investigation and reporting I object too. AS far as my wisdom goes, I have found the older I get the less I know. I struggle to remain silent. Rick.... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:50 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Thanks for the 411 Lowell. Since the 912 only uses a couple of qtrs and I change about twice a year I've had the case for a couple of years. I'll check and may have to switch over myself. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > >It was previously on the recommended list. Last year at the Rotax forum at >Oshkosh, Eric Tucker said the new revision of the recommended list was due >to the EPA ruling that certain antifoaming additives were no longer allowed. >He did mention Motul 5100 by name and apparently the testing Rotax does >showed that it no longer met it's foamilg limits. This is my understanding. > >All of the oils in the new list have been tested by Rotax to meet it's >specifications. This is not to imply that other oils do not as I doubt they >have tested them all. But, the report was that the oils they recommend have >been tested in house, rather than merely looking at the refiners specs. > >Lowell > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "flier" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" >> >> Hey Lowell, >> >> What's the skinny on the Motul 5100? I've been using >> it now for a while?? I just finished up a case my >> last oil change... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ted >> >> --- Original Message --- >> From: "Lowell Fitt" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and >> oil? >> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" >> >>> >>>I suspect that Rotax will have a hard time >> recommending another engine >>>manufacturers oil, so my "guess" is that the Honda >> oil would otherwise be on >>>the list. That said, the reason I am using the oil >> from the accepted list >>>is that an I used to use and previously listedt was >> delisted because of the >>>the EPA mandated formula change on that brand of oil >> (Motul 5100). I began >>>using an oil formulated and sold by California Power >> Systems (a Rotax >>>distributor). Eric said they were planning on >> testing that oil for the >>>foaming problem - nothing yet. I have discontinued >> using that oil. >>> >>>Keep in mind that the reason for the new dipstick >> was at least in part to >>>compensate for the foaming issue. Rotax has >> published a number of bulletins >>>regarding the problems of air in the oil system and >> this is an area where >>>caution is appropriate as it seems to me that the >> vibration issues with our >>>engines - spinning a prop - is a bit different than >> a motorcycle, spinning >>>a chain. I'm usually a bit skeptical of >> manufacturers claims if it has to >>>do with recommending their own products etc. but >> Eric spent a bit of time on >>>this issue last year at OSH and it got me a little >> concerned. >>> >>>Lowell >>> >>>Lowell >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" >>>To: >>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and >> oil? >>> >>> >>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and >> Roger McConnell" >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul, >>>> I too am getting ready to fire up my engine >> in the next few days. I >>>> agree with John on the Honda oil. I called >> Lockwood and asked them about >>>> using the Honda oil and there comment was 'If it's >> good enough for Honda >>>> engines its good enough for Rotax'. The oil is a >> full synthetic with gear >>>> additives. As for coolant I'm using Dexcool and >> distilled water 50/50. >>>> Roger Mac >>>> N619RM ready to taxi >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On >> Behalf Of jdmcbean >>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant >> and oil? >>>> >>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" >> >>>> >>>> Paul, >>>> I'm sure you'll get varying comments. >> Usually it's a good idea to >>>> follow >>>> the Engine manufactures recommendation. OK I've >> said it.... I follow the >>>> previous recommendation.. 50/50 mix. Use a >> extended life Antifreeze that >>>> is >>>> Silicate Free and I use distilled water. >>>> >>>> As for oil... Myself and several others have had >> great success with Honda >>>> Pro GN4. You can get it from the local Honda >> shop, it has the gear >>>> additive >>>> for the gear box.. Designed for high rpm engines. >>>> >>>> I run 100LL on the 912S and add the TCP that I >> sell religiously. I also >>>> change the oil every 25-30 hours. The results say >> you could probably go >>>> longer but I have always felt that the oil is the >> life blood of the engine >>>> and therefore I change it regularly. Because of >> the lead in the fuel I do >>>> pull the tank and clean it as well... "get the >> lead out" >>>> >>>> >>>> Fly Safe !! >>>> John & Debra McBean >>>> www.sportplanellc.com >>>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On >> Behalf Of Paul Seehafer >>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and >> oil? >>>> >>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" >> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> I'm getting ready to run my 912ul on my model IV, >> so I went and read all >>>> of >>>> that (very confusing) stuff on the www.rotax- >> owners.com site for the >>>> latest >>>> and greatest on coolants and oils, plus I searched >> the kitfox list for >>>> info. >>>> But I haven't found anything real current. And >> seeing how this stuff >>>> seems >>>> to be continually changing, I thought I had better >> ask all of you before >>>> putting the wrong stuff in my engine. >>>> >>>> So, my questions are; >>>> >>>> - Has there been any updated information on >> coolant requirements? >>>> >>>> - Is Evans Waterless coolant still the way to go? >>>> >>>> - How much coolant will I need to buy for my 912ul >> Model IV (no heater >>>> core) >>>> >>>> - Is it ok to use standard coolant in the 912 >> yet? (I tend to go places >>>> that are pretty far off the beaten path. At times >> regular coolant can be >>>> hard enough to find, much less Waterless EVANs NPG) >>>> >>>> - What is the best oil to run? >>>> >>>> - And last but not least, I heard I have to bleed >> the oil and coolant >>>> systems of trapped air prior to starting the >> engine. Is this true? And >>>> how >>>> does one do it if it is? >>>> >>>> Suggestions? Ideas? Advice? >>>> >>>> Paul Seehafer >>>> Central Wisconsin >>>> Model IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_- >> ====================================================== >> ====== >> browse >> Subscriptions page, >> FAQ, >> List >>>_- >> ====================================================== >> ====== >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >_- ====================================================== ====== browse Subscriptions page, FAQ, List >_- ====================================================== ====== > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:06 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild kit. I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain? Marco Menezes Model 2 582 - N99KX RAY Gignac wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" Hello, One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving freely, you might have this problem. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Menezes Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes > Kitfox list: I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out. Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to achieve a sluggish left turn. I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little. There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas? Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary buy no damage, except to ego. Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 - 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:23 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary buy no damage, except to ego. I must have missed something here. Why would anyone advise against high speed taxi tests? Dee Young KF II N345DY --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:48 PM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" Well, if you apply brake to assist you in turning, and the brake is mush then turning won't be as tight. I may have misunderstood you on your problem! but when the brake is applied it should turn on the dime. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Menezes To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes > As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild kit. I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain? Marco Menezes Model 2 582 - N99KX RAY Gignac > wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" Hello, One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving freely, you might have this problem. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Menezes To: Matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes > Kitfox list: I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out. Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to achieve a sluggish left turn. I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little. There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas? Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary buy no damage, except to ego. Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 - 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:54 PM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" I have done the so called high speed taxi myself, no problems. It's the same as full throttle take off or the landing. Keep directional control and you go down center line! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Dee Young To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary buy no damage, except to ego. I must have missed something here. Why would anyone advise against high speed taxi tests? Dee Young KF II N345DY --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:50 PM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" I have the same problem with my matco brakes! pilot side is nice and turns on the dime, the passenger side is another question! not as tight and some fluid always seems to seep from the threads on the bleeder valve. I will buy a rebuild kit at Oshkosh if matco has them at the sale tent. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Menezes To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes > As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild kit. I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain? Marco Menezes Model 2 582 - N99KX RAY Gignac > wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" Hello, One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving freely, you might have this problem. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Menezes To: Matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes > Kitfox list: I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out. Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to achieve a sluggish left turn. I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little. There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas? Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary buy no damage, except to ego. Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 - 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:07 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Windshield Fasteners --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Thanks John, Jeff, and John, It sounds like a lot of work to put in the nuts, but it might be worth it for maintenance. I particularly like the O-ring ideal. Guy At 06:20 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" > >I used 2.2mm stainless scews and nyliock nuts. Wee bit more weight but being >able to controll the tension on on the screen is a positive to me. Makes it >easy when change tome comes too. >John A. Series 5 Turbo Subaru.. > > >From: Guy Buchanan >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshield Fasteners >Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:00:44 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > >Hi everybody. > What should I use to fasten my windshield/skylight. The manual >says aluminum rivet, I assume that's a pop rivet, but it could be a >standard rivet as well. Should I fasten it with #6 screws and lock nuts for >maintainability? Or is that too heavy and unnecessary? Thanks for the help. > > >Guy Buchanan >K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > > >Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health > > Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:11 PM PST US From: Jim Crowder Subject: Kitfox-List: Forward "an excellent reply" Fluff --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder I received the following email forwarded to me by my son Mark. He has received it from two friends who are Air Force Pilots. Mark checked it out and all of the facts are true--not one of those urban legends. To the date of his checking the story, the writer of the original complaint to the newspaper had not apologized in any manner . Some low level flights carry a higher priority. I thought some on the Kitfox List would find this of interest with the recent accounts of low level flying on our list. Jim Crowder Do Not Archive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An excellent reply... ________________________________ "A wake-up call from Luke's darn jets" , Peoria News, Jun. 23, 2005 12:00 AM Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 a.m., a tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns' early-bird special? Any response would be appreciated. - Tom MacRae, Peoria ------------------- The reply -------------------------- "Flyby honored fallen comrade" , Jun. 28, 2005 12:00 AM Regarding "A wake-up call from Luke's jets" (Letters, Thursday): On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt Jeremy Fresques. Capt. Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day. At 9 a.m. on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on the letter writer's recount of the flyby, and because of the jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag on behalf of the president of the United States and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured. A four-ship flyby is a display of respect the Air Force pays to those who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects. The letter writer asks, "Whom do we thank for the morning air show?" The 56th Fighter Wing will call for you, and forward your thanks to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their lives. Lt. Col. Scott Pleus Luke Air Force Base ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:05 PM PST US From: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Gary, Congrats!....Happy that you are finally back in the air. One year is way too long to keep your feet on the ground. regards Bob R. do not archive Quoting kitfoxjunky : > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > > A full year after my NSI CAP 140 blade departure, my Kitfox IV is back in > the air again. She is sporting an IVO Medium Quick Adjust, new spinner, > new exhaust, new motor mount, oil tank, and all the hardware and smaller > parts that will either break or fall off if you shake things hard enough. > Oh yeah..and bright shiny safety cables that will make sure the engine > always stays attached to the airframe. > > Without the weight of the floats she really gets off and climbs in a > hurray. Last night was also my first solo tailwheel experience. Sure is > good to be back in the saddle again. > > WooHoo!! > > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > do not archive > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:06 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Airshow Midair --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Unfortunately weve lost a veteran air show performer today.. Jimmy Franklin and Bobby Younkin.. Jim Leroys Bulldog was also involved but was able to land Apparently Jimmys wing walking son had just finished his routine and was announcing the performance. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"