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1. 07:04 AM - Re: 912s Black plugs (Rick)
2. 07:44 AM - Re: 912s Black plugs (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
3. 07:54 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (kitfoxjunky)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: 912s Black plugs (kitfoxjunky)
5. 08:40 AM - Re: 912s Black plugs (Fred Shiple)
6. 08:50 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Fred Shiple)
7. 08:56 AM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Fox5flyer)
8. 10:54 AM - Off line Re: Building A grass Strip (Randy Daughenbaugh)
9. 12:30 PM - Re: Off line Re: Building A grass Strip (Jeremy Casey)
10. 12:32 PM - Selling my fox (Howard Firm)
11. 01:37 PM - Polyfiber Polytone Paint for sale (Mark Anliker)
12. 02:52 PM - Re: Off line Re: Building A grass Strip (Lowell Fitt)
13. 03:30 PM - Re: Off line Re: Building A grass Strip (Randy Daughenbaugh)
14. 04:33 PM - Re: C-GOOT Flies Again (Torgeir Mortensen)
15. 09:17 PM - Re: Off line Re: Building A grass Strip (dcecil3@aol.com)
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| Subject: | 912s Black plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
It is my understanding that the needle adjustment will change the range in
which the fuel is delivered. The jet will effect the entire range. Kind of
hard to do a full power run and cut clean and check the plugs in the air so
I will leave the final answer to someone who has been there done that on a
912. Good luck.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Kaufjm@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912s Black plugs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in different
jets?
Jon Modle IV.
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| Subject: | Re: 912s Black plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
if you are adjusting the needle screw, primarily idle is all tha is affected. consider
changing you jets and/or needle clip that is separate from the screw.
you can obtain a manual and jets from Bing International. the jet controls primarily
top end. the needle/clip control primarily mid range. the term primarily
is offered because all three parts of the carburator are somewhat in use at
higher rpms.
John Kerr
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com
>
> I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
> and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
> 1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in different
> jets?
> Jon Modle IV.
>
>
>
>
>
>
if you are adjusting the needle screw, primarily idle is all tha is affected. consider
changing you jets and/or needle clip that is separate from the screw.
you can obtain a manual and jets from Bing International. the jet controls primarily
top end. the needle/clip control primarily mid range. the term primarily
is offered because all three parts of the carburator are somewhat in use at
higher rpms.
John Kerr
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-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in different
jets?
Jon Modle IV.
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| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
Serialize complete at 07/12/2005 10:53:33 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Hi Torgeir
I meant to say the "rough spot"..not the "right spot". Sometimes I type
too fast.
One thing I think I will miss is the NSI CAP's ability to flatten out
completely, even go into beta. On floats, it was nice to be able to keep
the RPM up and use the pitch selector to control forward motion, even stop
the plane. One of my big concerns with the IVO was that it could only go
into fine pitch and not flatten out completely. Then again, the design of
the prop (the lack of moving parts) gives me confidence it will never come
apart. I will purchase the in flight adjust option only after I test it
at full fine adjustment when I get the plane back on the floats. If I
can keep the RPM in the 2500 range, and have a slow enough taxi at full
fine so the water does not come over the front of the floats, I will go
for the added expense. On wheels the in flight adjustment is simply not
necessary. Even at a courser pitch I use on the ground adjust the plane
literally jumps into the air.
The IVO Medium Quick Adjust is only 18 LBS. Anyone know the full up
weight of the NSI CAP 140? I seem to remember hearing something like 26
LBS.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
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I see Gary.
> The engine runs much smoother. There were some right spots at
> certain RPM's before with the NSI prop that seem to have disappeared.
Ah., You got read of the resonant spot, very, very good... :)
In fact, I have the same exp. with my "UL" version IVO (thou I've a light
model II, -with a 532).
Cheers
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: 912s Black plugs |
Serialize complete at 07/12/2005 10:56:04 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
My CHT on my 912S is running pretty close to the 266 deg F upper limit. Do
you see similar numbers? You mentioned below that yours is running cool on
the EGT. What does your cylinder head temp look like?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the
EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve
at
1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in
different
jets?
Jon Modle IV.
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| Subject: | Re: 912s Black plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
you might try Lockwood Aviation's support. they've been very helpful in guiding
me thru some carburetor problems. phone number is on their net site.
Fred
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
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| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Gary,
Glad to hear you're back in the air.
About 6 months ago the people at Prop-Link told me they were not proceeding with
a beta mode (I'd planned to use it as I got my S6 on floats) as they were unhappy
with the loads the prop/hub experienced as it transitioned into beta. I
don't think that's come up relative to CAP failures. Perhaps the engineers on
the list can comment on this as a failure mode applicable to the CAP.
Please let us know about your performance as soon as you're back on floats
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
22 pounds.
Deke
>Anyone know the full up weight of the NSI CAP 140?
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
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| Subject: | Building A grass Strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Paul,
Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
subject open to see what surfaced.
Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come and
visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount Rushmore.
Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Peerenboom
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco@cs.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JJProbasco@cs.com
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Building A grass Strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Have some knowledge of the subject...built a grass strip in Alabama...
The regs vary state to state, so your mileage may vary...but this is how
it is in Alabama.
They have 3 classes of airport..."personal"-(just me...),
"private"-(just me and who I invite...), and "public"-(me, and anyone
who wants to...)
In Alabama, "personal" airports don't require any registration with the
state...(i.e. it will only be my life in jeopardy by a "sub-standard"
airport facility ;-) whereas "private" and "public" require
registration and inspection by the state board of transportation...
Now here comes the rub...the comment about your neighbors not wanting an
"airport" in the neighborhood is a very good one...and registration
might protect you down the road...but in Alabama, to GET registered
requires the state department of transportation guy to basically go
around to all of your neighbors and ask them if they mind if you have an
airport on your property!!! They then have you under their thumb, and
the state guy actually told me that usually what happened was a sort of
blackmail where you got to "compensate" them for their "loss of property
value" due to living next to an airport ;-) (Would have possibly led to
neighbor on neighbor violence ;-)
When I asked the state transportation guy if I needed to tell all my
flying buddies to stay out cause I was a "personal use" airport...he
laughed and told me that they didn't have an "airport-use enforcement
division" and try not to be totally obvious ;-) (i.e. don't host a EAA
regional flyin, etc...)
Thanks to the super-quiet nature of the 912 engine, almost none of my
neighbors even know I fly out of the backyard... ;-) and the one's that
do think it is cool and have been given rides...and always wave when I
fly over. (I do try to avoid direct overflights and simple courtesy
goes a long way...i.e. no 6:00 am departures...etc.)
Jeremy Casey
http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/briarpatch_large.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Daughenbaugh [mailto:rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Paul,
Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
subject open to see what surfaced.
Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come
and
visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
Rushmore.
Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Peerenboom
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
<ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved
but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had
someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still
interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco@cs.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JJProbasco@cs.com
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last
fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones -
well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the
air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested
in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the
necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Due to a bad and getting worse financial situation, My wife and I decided
that we need to sell our Fox. This has been a tough decision to make, but it
comes down to the last thing I own that is worth anything...I just need to
bail myself out and start over.
I wanted to offer it here first, but I will be soon listing it on
barnstormers, then Ebay as a last resort.
Here is what I have;
Kitfox model 5 with a NSI Turbo & Warp Drive with CAP
New vacuum pump
Grove gear & tailspring
LP windshield, bubble doors with airvents
cabin heater, duel fan
New Apollo SL40 VHF Comm
New Garmin GTX 320A Transponder professionally wired and installed
RC Allen IFR Gyro's
Here are two pictures;
http://home.mchsi.com/~pianome2/leftside.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/~pianome2/panel4.jpg
The engine is currently off of the plane. It is ready to be shipped to NSI
for a complete overhaul and the cost is included in the price.
Asking $34,500
I can answer any questions you may have, also I can supply any pictures you
may want.
E-mail me or call me at (218) 749-4659 most evenings I'm home.
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Polyfiber Polytone Paint for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Anliker <manliker@uiuc.edu>
One gallon each of Bahama Blue and Pontiac Red. Just rec'd. Changed paint
scheme. For sale in/near Illinois (can't ship via UPS). $50/gallon.
Mark Anliker
Sadorus, IL
217-898-4766
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| Subject: | Re: Building A grass Strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Randy,
I hope that invite extends to all. Last year we flew past your area on our
way to Osh. We saw Devil'a Tower, but missed Mt. Rushmore both dorections.
I hope to make the trip again sometime - not this year, though.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Paul,
> Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
> registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
> subject open to see what surfaced.
>
> Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come and
> visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
> Rushmore.
> Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
>
>
> Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Peerenboom
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
> <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>
> Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
> prevent
> you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
> private
>
> airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
> it wasn't that hard.
>
> Paul N102DG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
>> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
>> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
>> registering
>> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>>
>> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
>> register
>> your strip.
>>
>> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested
>> in
>> registering it.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> JJProbasco@cs.com
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JJProbasco@cs.com
>>
>> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
>> The
>>
>> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
>> that's another story.
>>
>> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
>> space
>> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
>> the
>> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
>> the
>> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
>> state.
>> PA
>> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
>> forms/or
>> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Building A grass Strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Lowell,
Certainly to one plane at a time. Hopefully someday we can accommodate
several at a time, but would need some time to plan for that.
I have been waiting for Skystar to return to the fly-ins. And some day, I
may even be brave enough to try for Cameron Park. I am getting a little
braver all the time.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Randy,
I hope that invite extends to all. Last year we flew past your area on our
way to Osh. We saw Devil'a Tower, but missed Mt. Rushmore both dorections.
I hope to make the trip again sometime - not this year, though.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Paul,
> Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
> registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
> subject open to see what surfaced.
>
> Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come and
> visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
> Rushmore.
> Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
>
>
> Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Peerenboom
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
> <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>
> Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
> prevent
> you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
> private
>
> airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
> it wasn't that hard.
>
> Paul N102DG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
>> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
>> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
>> registering
>> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>>
>> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
>> register
>> your strip.
>>
>> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested
>> in
>> registering it.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> JJProbasco@cs.com
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JJProbasco@cs.com
>>
>> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
>> The
>>
>> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
>> that's another story.
>>
>> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
>> space
>> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
>> the
>> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
>> the
>> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
>> state.
>> PA
>> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
>> forms/or
>> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Gary,
Se below.
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:53:29 -0400 Serialize complete at 07/12/2005
10:53:33 AM, kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> Hi Torgeir
>
> I meant to say the "rough spot"..not the "right spot". Sometimes I type
> too fast.
Figured out this..
>
> One thing I think I will miss is the NSI CAP's ability to flatten out
> completely, even go into beta. On floats, it was nice to be able to keep
> the RPM up and use the pitch selector to control forward motion, even
> stop the plane.
This is indeed an interesting capability.
> One of my big concerns with the IVO was that it could only go
> into fine pitch and not flatten out completely. Then again, the design
> of the prop (the lack of moving parts) gives me confidence it will never
> come apart.
Do not have any experience with the variable pitch version (but love to
-later on), well -maybe Gary Algate can fill in here??
> I will purchase the in flight adjust option only after I test it
> at full fine adjustment when I get the plane back on the floats. If I
> can keep the RPM in the 2500 range, and have a slow enough taxi at full
> fine so the water does not come over the front of the floats, I will go
> for the added expense.
I'll hope you'll keep us informed, most interesting.
> On wheels the in flight adjustment is simply not
> necessary. Even at a courser pitch I use on the ground adjust the plane
> literally jumps into the air.
Here I've got the same experience and are very satisfied. :)
> The IVO Medium Quick Adjust is only 18 LBS. Anyone know the full up
> weight of the NSI CAP 140? I seem to remember hearing something like 26
> LBS.
>
No idea about this one..
Thanks for this interesting info Gary.
(Coming weekend I'm going on holiday for three week to Thailand, so I'll
be unable to plan any list visit.)
Have a nice holiday.
Cheers
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Building A grass Strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dcecil3@aol.com
I've been reading some posts about private airstrips.I agree State and local Laws
vary,but one Law doesn't as told to me by the good ole FAA.Any runway used
for 30 consecutive days must be registered, the only exemption to this is a special
permit issued for an airshow.The application is lengthy I'm 5'11'' and with
the first Bi-fold page over my head the rest of it hit the floor.To save you
some time on the phone,you can't get the application locally it must come from
Teterboro.You have to state the longitude and latitude,as well as elevation
of the strip gps is not acceptable. You must use National geological survey
maps
Regards David Cecil
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Casey <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Subject: RE: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Have some knowledge of the subject...built a grass strip in Alabama...
The regs vary state to state, so your mileage may vary...but this is how
it is in Alabama.
They have 3 classes of airport..."personal"-(just me...),
"private"-(just me and who I invite...), and "public"-(me, and anyone
who wants to...)
In Alabama, "personal" airports don't require any registration with the
state...(i.e. it will only be my life in jeopardy by a "sub-standard"
airport facility ;-) whereas "private" and "public" require
registration and inspection by the state board of transportation...
Now here comes the rub...the comment about your neighbors not wanting an
"airport" in the neighborhood is a very good one...and registration
might protect you down the road...but in Alabama, to GET registered
requires the state department of transportation guy to basically go
around to all of your neighbors and ask them if they mind if you have an
airport on your property!!! They then have you under their thumb, and
the state guy actually told me that usually what happened was a sort of
blackmail where you got to "compensate" them for their "loss of property
value" due to living next to an airport ;-) (Would have possibly led to
neighbor on neighbor violence ;-)
When I asked the state transportation guy if I needed to tell all my
flying buddies to stay out cause I was a "personal use" airport...he
laughed and told me that they didn't have an "airport-use enforcement
division" and try not to be totally obvious ;-) (i.e. don't host a EAA
regional flyin, etc...)
Thanks to the super-quiet nature of the 912 engine, almost none of my
neighbors even know I fly out of the backyard... ;-) and the one's that
do think it is cool and have been given rides...and always wave when I
fly over. (I do try to avoid direct overflights and simple courtesy
goes a long way...i.e. no 6:00 am departures...etc.)
Jeremy Casey
http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/briarpatch_large.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Daughenbaugh [mailto:rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Paul,
Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
subject open to see what surfaced.
Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come
and
visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
Rushmore.
Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Peerenboom
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
<ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved
but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had
someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still
interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco@cs.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JJProbasco@cs.com
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last
fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones -
well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the
air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested
in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the
necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
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