---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/19/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:08 AM - SV: [Off-topic] One Six Right (Michel Verheughe) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: Fresh air vents?? (W Duke) 3. 06:46 AM - Re: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp (Lowell Fitt) 4. 07:03 AM - Music - One Six Right (William Mills) 5. 10:14 AM - Re: SV: [Off-topic] One Six Right (Lynn Matteson) 6. 11:33 AM - Re: SV: [Off-topic] One Six Right (Ben Baltrusaitis) 7. 11:52 AM - Re: SV: FOUND IT [Off-topic] One Six Right (Ben Baltrusaitis) 8. 12:29 PM - Re: SV: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC (kitfoxjunky) 9. 12:43 PM - Re: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp (Don Smythe) 10. 01:58 PM - Fast sailing. WAS 582 Coolant/EGT Temp (Michel Verheughe) 11. 02:11 PM - Re: SV: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC (Don Smythe) 12. 02:46 PM - Re: [Off-topic] One Six Right (Stu Bryant) 13. 03:10 PM - Re: Fast sailing. WAS 582 Coolant/EGT Temp (Lowell Fitt) 14. 03:53 PM - Re: SV: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC (kitfoxjunky) 15. 08:54 PM - Re: Fresh air vents?? (AMuller589@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:21 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] > Anybody know the name of the music? The trailer says the music was writtten by a Nathan Wang, Lynn. But no mention of the name of the piece. One thing is for sure, I know which DVD Santa will have for me under the Christmas tree, next winter! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:04 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fresh air vents?? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke Sorry I am late on this. I used Van's NACA vents mounted in the lower cowl. They come with plastic eyeball and lots of duct. I did not use the duct. I bought some radiator hose and slip mounted the eyeballs directly onto the outlet of the NACA. They look pretty good and work great. Maxwell Gerns25@netscape.net wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net What are you guys using for fresh air venting in your kitfoxes? I have a pair of the Vista vents to install but I have the LP Aeroplastics bubble doors and there is not an area flat enough to mount them. I have thought of putting them in the skylight but then you have the rain issues. I am in Utah and it can get pretty hot down here especially when sitting in that greenhouse I call 323MM. I don't really like flying with my doors off and I have tried using bungees to hold the door open a couple of inches. Does anyone have a better idea or a differnt vent I can use? I would love to install some adjustable vents in the panel like in certified airplanes but would hate to undertake this project if there was a better option. Any advice or photos of your installation would be appreciated. Thanks, Darin Hawkes Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp Maxwell Duke S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:59 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Andrew, as I recall water wetter was first used by fire departments as it reduces friction as water moves down a passage and they were able to get the same water flow from smaller hoses. In my sailing days, I thought of having a small tube system on the bow of a boat that would leak a small amount into the water possibly reducing the friction and increasing speed. Anyway if you try it keep us posted on the results. Lowell do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Matthaey" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > I just came across a product at an Auto Parts store called WaterWetter... > > It's supposed to lower coolant temperature in your car by up to 20 degrees > by allowing better heat transfer between the block/coolant. It says it > can > be used with any coolant, water, distilled, etc...Should I give this a > try? > Even if 180 degrees F on climbout isn't that bad, 165 is even better, > right? > > Andrew > > >>From: "Andrew Matthaey" >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp >>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:06:11 -0400 >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" >> >> >>Well I'm glad my coolant temps are ok, but the EGT's make me nervous with >>the carboning up issue! The CPS catalog says 930-1200 is normal...I guess >>I >>could just re-jet her and lean her out (hasn't been done since last fall, >>I >>believe). That oughta help without having to repitch my prop again... >> >>Thanks group, >>Andrew >> >> >> >From: "Bob Robertson" >> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp >> >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:41:54 -0700 >> > >> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" >> > >> > >> >Hi Andrew, >> >Well, your coolant temps are in line...be glad they are not higher. We >> >commonly see temps in the mid to high 180's ...(sometimes hotter) on >> >hot >> >days. >> >The reason your EGTS dropped off is you are operating at a wider >> >throttle >> >setting than before. What is critical is what EGTS are you getting at >>wide >> >open throttle (WOT).... The midrange EGT ( 5200-5600 rpm) can be easily >>set >> >by adjusting the jet needle. 900 is a bit low and will result in a >> >build >> >up >> >of carbon in the piston rings. You should aim for 1050-1100 at cruise >>rpm >> >and 900-1000 at WOT. >> >Quite often the gauges and probes are not that accurate and should only >>be >> >used as a "relative" (i.e. relative to the last few flights and similar >> >conditions) reading. >> >You might find your coolant temps a bit higher than before (under the >>same >> >conditions) because you are working the engine just a bit harder to >> >atain >> >the same rpm (coarser pitch on the prop.). >> >You did'nt mention what rpm's you were getting at full throttle and what >> >rpm >> >you were cruising at. >> > >> >Hope this helps >> > >> >Bob Robertson >> >Light Engine Services Ltd. >> >Rotax Service Center >> >St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 >> >Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 >> >Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) >> >www.rtx-av-engines.ca >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Andrew Matthaey" >> >To: >> >Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp >> > >> > >> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" >> > >> > > >> > > I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't >>done >> > > much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit >> >concerned >> > > about temperatures... >> > > >> > > My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a >> >hair >> > > under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now >> > > at >> >about >> > > 900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that >>these >> > > numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!) >> > > >> > > Thanks a million! >> > > Andrew >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:29 AM PST US From: William Mills Subject: Kitfox-List: Music - One Six Right --> Kitfox-List message posted by: William Mills Sounds like Enya, of "Orinocco Flow" fame to me. Bill do not archive >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >> Anybody know the name of the music? > >The trailer says the music was writtten by a Nathan Wang, Lynn. But >no mention of the name of the piece. > >One thing is for sure, I know which DVD Santa will have for me under >the Christmas tree, next winter! :-) > >Cheers, >Michel > >do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Yup, me too, Michel. I wrote to Brian Terwilliger, the producer, to try and find out....it bears a resemblance to some of the music from Twin Peaks, the David Lynch tv series from about 10-15 years ago. Lynn do not archive On Tuesday, July 19, 2005, at 06:07 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >> Anybody know the name of the music? > > The trailer says the music was writtten by a Nathan Wang, Lynn. But no > mention of the name of the piece. > > One thing is for sure, I know which DVD Santa will have for me under > the Christmas tree, next winter! :-) > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:06 AM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" My daughter has that song on a CD. She's not home now, but I will get the information to you guys. I remember it well because she is a sign language interpreter major and she signed this song in one of her classes. I've heard it several hundred times. Ben DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Matteson To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Yup, me too, Michel. I wrote to Brian Terwilliger, the producer, to try and find out....it bears a resemblance to some of the music from Twin Peaks, the David Lynch tv series from about 10-15 years ago. Lynn do not archive On Tuesday, July 19, 2005, at 06:07 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >> Anybody know the name of the music? > > The trailer says the music was writtten by a Nathan Wang, Lynn. But no > mention of the name of the piece. > > One thing is for sure, I know which DVD Santa will have for me under > the Christmas tree, next winter! :-) > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:02 AM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List:FOUND IT [Off-topic] One Six Right --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" The song is "Only Time"- - singer is Enya. Ben DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Matteson To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Yup, me too, Michel. I wrote to Brian Terwilliger, the producer, to try and find out....it bears a resemblance to some of the music from Twin Peaks, the David Lynch tv series from about 10-15 years ago. Lynn do not archive On Tuesday, July 19, 2005, at 06:07 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:15 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC Serialize complete at 07/19/2005 03:28:54 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Enya..Only Time Here is a link http://www.mshepp.com/onlytime.htm Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:45 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" I tried water wetter and saw little improvement. Still have half a bottle sitting in the hanger Don Smythe Classic IV W/ 582 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Matthaey" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > I just came across a product at an Auto Parts store called WaterWetter... > > It's supposed to lower coolant temperature in your car by up to 20 degrees > by allowing better heat transfer between the block/coolant. It says it > can > be used with any coolant, water, distilled, etc...Should I give this a > try? > Even if 180 degrees F on climbout isn't that bad, 165 is even better, > right? > > Andrew > > >>From: "Andrew Matthaey" >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp >>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:06:11 -0400 >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" >> >> >>Well I'm glad my coolant temps are ok, but the EGT's make me nervous with >>the carboning up issue! The CPS catalog says 930-1200 is normal...I guess >>I >>could just re-jet her and lean her out (hasn't been done since last fall, >>I >>believe). That oughta help without having to repitch my prop again... >> >>Thanks group, >>Andrew >> >> >> >From: "Bob Robertson" >> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp >> >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:41:54 -0700 >> > >> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" >> > >> > >> >Hi Andrew, >> >Well, your coolant temps are in line...be glad they are not higher. We >> >commonly see temps in the mid to high 180's ...(sometimes hotter) on >> >hot >> >days. >> >The reason your EGTS dropped off is you are operating at a wider >> >throttle >> >setting than before. What is critical is what EGTS are you getting at >>wide >> >open throttle (WOT).... The midrange EGT ( 5200-5600 rpm) can be easily >>set >> >by adjusting the jet needle. 900 is a bit low and will result in a >> >build >> >up >> >of carbon in the piston rings. You should aim for 1050-1100 at cruise >>rpm >> >and 900-1000 at WOT. >> >Quite often the gauges and probes are not that accurate and should only >>be >> >used as a "relative" (i.e. relative to the last few flights and similar >> >conditions) reading. >> >You might find your coolant temps a bit higher than before (under the >>same >> >conditions) because you are working the engine just a bit harder to >> >atain >> >the same rpm (coarser pitch on the prop.). >> >You did'nt mention what rpm's you were getting at full throttle and what >> >rpm >> >you were cruising at. >> > >> >Hope this helps >> > >> >Bob Robertson >> >Light Engine Services Ltd. >> >Rotax Service Center >> >St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 >> >Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 >> >Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) >> >www.rtx-av-engines.ca >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Andrew Matthaey" >> >To: >> >Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp >> > >> > >> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" >> > >> > > >> > > I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't >>done >> > > much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit >> >concerned >> > > about temperatures... >> > > >> > > My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a >> >hair >> > > under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now >> > > at >> >about >> > > 900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that >>these >> > > numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!) >> > > >> > > Thanks a million! >> > > Andrew >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:31 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Fast sailing. WAS 582 Coolant/EGT Temp --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Lowell Fitt wrote: > In my sailing days, I thought of having a small tube system on the bow of a > boat that would leak a small amount into the water possibly reducing the > friction and increasing speed. Wow! Were you racing, Lowell ... or just in a hurry? :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:02 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" Gary, Thanks for that link. For some reason, that song does things to my innards. Do Not Archive Don Smythe Classic IV W/ 582 > Enya..Only Time > > Here is a link > Gary Walsh ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:39 PM PST US From: "Stu Bryant" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" I don't know the name of the song, nor the name of the album. But I'm 99% certain that the music was composed & performed by Enya. Stu ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:07 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fast sailing. WAS 582 Coolant/EGT Temp --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Michel, Actually racing and the mod would have been against race rules, of course. Just something to think about. I alo wondered if it could have been added to antifouling paint. The kind that wears away keeping the barnicles form getting a toe hold. We did two races from the Los Angeles area to Puerto Vallarta, MX and two from the San francisco area to Hawaii, actually Kauai. We did a lot of local races - San Francisco Bay. It was great fun, but in my youth. I no longer have the strength. the Second race to Hawaii was in a Farr 48 and that was too big for my body. I usually worked foredeck and the sails just got too big for me to handle. Lowell do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fast sailing. WAS 582 Coolant/EGT Temp > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > Lowell Fitt wrote: >> In my sailing days, I thought of having a small tube system on the bow of >> a >> boat that would leak a small amount into the water possibly reducing the >> friction and increasing speed. > > Wow! Were you racing, Lowell ... or just in a hurry? :-) > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:16 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC Serialize complete at 07/19/2005 06:52:57 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky RAP does the same thing to me too :-) Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" Gary, Thanks for that link. For some reason, that song does things to my innards. Do Not Archive Don Smythe Classic IV W/ 582 > Enya..Only Time > > Here is a link > Gary Walsh ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:54 PM PST US From: AMuller589@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fresh air vents?? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com we're using those little rotating tabs, one on each door in Houston and they are adequate in the air but doors open on the ground. We tinted the overhead. Normally our altitudes are below 2000msl. So far we only had a few 100deg F days.