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1. 04:29 AM - Non Kitfox Topics (Fox5flyer)
2. 06:03 AM - SV: HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion (Michel Verheughe)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion (Jeffrey Harrison)
4. 08:48 AM - Wanted GSC prop or blades (Gill Levesque)
5. 09:38 AM - Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape (John Stoner)
6. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape (kitfoxjunky)
7. 11:35 AM - Re: Wanted GSC prop or blades (Floran Higgins)
8. 12:01 PM - Re: headset advice (Rick)
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10. 03:49 PM - 912S Starting Procedure (Donna and Roger McConnell)
11. 04:41 PM - Re: SV: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC hee hee hee (Tom Tomlin)
12. 04:42 PM - Re: 912S Starting Procedure (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
13. 05:03 PM - Re: headset advice (Tom Tomlin)
14. 07:33 PM - Re: 912S Starting Procedure (Gerns25@netscape.net)
15. 09:04 PM - Re: headset advice (Joel Mapes)
16. 09:07 PM - Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading edge protective tape (Joel Mapes)
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| Subject: | Non Kitfox Topics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Let me put on my Janitor Hat and just add this to Bruce's comments. I also
missed something and was wondering who made any complaints about engine
choices. On this list ANY meaningful and informed discussions about
alternative engines for the Kitfox are welcome. Rotax is obviously the king
of the mountain, but at one point they weren't. The same goes for any other
engine choices whether they be Jabiru, NSI, Eggenfellner, VW, Ford Model A,
or Weedeater. The people who make those choices all deserve the same
respect as those who chose the Rotax. Informed pro/con discussions about
any engine choices further enhance both the Kitfox and the experimental
movement in general and should never be inhibited by those who think that
only "their" choice is the correct one or by passing on unsubstantiated
anecdotal gossip for the purpose of stirring the pot.
At one point several years ago IVO prop discussions were next to impossible
because of a small number of people who hated the prop and refused to allow
any positive comments go unanswered. As there were many IVO owners on the
list it was frustrating for any meaningful discussions to happen without
those with their own personal vendettas to do what they could to cause
disruption.
As for the case of NSI "having" to move out then being "allowed" back, that
isn't exactly how it was. There were some fervent bashers (about anything
non-rotax) and the included pilers who made it impossible for Kitfox owners
with NSI packages (roughtly 65 of them at the time) to have any discussions
so they decided that it would be best at the time to just form a separate
list so they could have quiet and meaningful dialog. Since they were
primarily Kitfox owners on that list after about a year they decided rejoin
the Kitfox List and things have been relatively civil since then.
In recap, all discussions and opinions are welcome, whether they be engines,
props, radios, instruments, etc. Just keep them civil and respectful, avoid
passing on unsubstantiated heresay, and remember that there's room for
everybody's choices here, regardless what those choices may be.
Regards,
Deke Morisse
Kitfox List Administrator
> Hi Andrew,
> Maybe I missed something. Who complained about Jabiru talk on this list?
> Michel commented that talk about non-jabiru engines on the Jabiru Engines
> list was discouraged. Talk about alternate engines is currently ok on the
> Kitfox list.
> Cheers,
> bh
> on the list since 1995 or 1996
>
> > Alright guys - I hate to be the one to say this (is anybody else
thinking
> > it?), but I am finding it hard to understand why lister's here are
trying
> > to
> > scare away any topic not strictly Kitfox...I agree, this is a kitfox
list,
> > and should therefore be focused primarily on these great birds - BUT we
> > all
> > have boat-loads to learn, and not allowing something like "jabiru talk"
> > here
> > is taking away a lot from that. Come on guys, really...we're better than
> > that.
> >
> > Andrew
>
> >>Hi Michel,
> >>
> >>Bear in mind that this list is not run by SkyStar, the Kitfox kit
company,
> >>so there's quite a bit of leeway in topics. Also, back in the 1990s
the
> >>NSI group had to move out due to discussion problems, then allowed back
> >>years later. And this list is about Kitfox aircraft, so there may not
be
> >>much tolerance for pushing other kits or aircraft.
> >>
> >>The Jabiru Engine list is for just that, users of or people interested
in
> >>the Jabiru engines.
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>bh
>
>
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| Subject: | HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bruce Harrington [sonex321@msn.com]
> Michel commented that talk about non-jabiru engines on the Jabiru Engines
> list was discouraged.
... er, yes! ... guys, guys! what's going on? I simply commented that I considered
the HKS as a replacement for my 582 but that, at the end, I ended with a Jabiru
and that, on the Jabiru list (not this one!!!!!) it is not popular - especially
among the Jabiru dealers on the list - to talk about other engines.
... Maybe I should talk less! :-)
Meanwhile, let's enjoy the summer! ... er, not our Australian and South African
friends, of course, who are in the middle of the winter! Not that I mean they
shouldn't enjoy whatever they have ... no, I didn't mean to omit New Zealand!
Yes, I wish them also a good ... summer ... winter ... whatever ... ok, I'll
shut up! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Harrison" <ragwings83@sssnet.com>
Oh I see- we should feel sorry for the Australian's because they have such a
tough winter day today-I noticed the average temp is a crisp 60 degrees .
Sure beats Ohio in January-23 degrees . We grow ICE SNOT here in the winter
;>)
Jeff H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bruce Harrington [sonex321@msn.com]
> Michel commented that talk about non-jabiru engines on the Jabiru Engines
> list was discouraged.
... er, yes! ... guys, guys! what's going on? I simply commented that I
considered the HKS as a replacement for my 582 but that, at the end, I ended
with a Jabiru and that, on the Jabiru list (not this one!!!!!) it is not
popular - especially among the Jabiru dealers on the list - to talk about
other engines.
... Maybe I should talk less! :-)
Meanwhile, let's enjoy the summer! ... er, not our Australian and South
African friends, of course, who are in the middle of the winter! Not that I
mean they shouldn't enjoy whatever they have ... no, I didn't mean to omit
New Zealand! Yes, I wish them also a good ... summer ... winter ...
whatever ... ok, I'll shut up! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Wanted GSC prop or blades |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi All,
Does anyone have a 68 in. GSC prop with LE inserts, or 3 matching blades for sale
??
Gil Levesque
Kitfox 4
" GROUNDED!!!"
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Paul,
I was advised years ago by Mike Jacober to use penetrating super glue (hobby
shop stuff) and very carefully lay a small bead all the way around each of
the stainless leading edges.
I put over 200 hours on my three blade ground adjustable and never had a
problem with the leading edge, except for gravel and ice dings.
Regards,
John Stoner
KitFox III, 582
Alaska
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
All,
Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from cracking
shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges seem
to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
Serialize complete at 07/21/2005 01:04:26 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Are you saying to use CA glue (the hobby equivalent of Super
Glue..instant stuff) and run it along the outside edge of the SS tape? My
prop is new, less than 5 hrs so far, and has not started to crack. I
would be willing to give this is shot if it works.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner"
<john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Paul,
I was advised years ago by Mike Jacober to use penetrating super glue
(hobby
shop stuff) and very carefully lay a small bead all the way around each of
the stainless leading edges.
I put over 200 hours on my three blade ground adjustable and never had a
problem with the leading edge, except for gravel and ice dings.
Regards,
John Stoner
KitFox III, 582
Alaska
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
All,
Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from
cracking
shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges
seem
to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted GSC prop or blades |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I have a GSC three bladed prop for a 912 UL that I am not using. It will not
fit on a 912ULS.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wanted GSC prop or blades
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a 68 in. GSC prop with LE inserts, or 3 matching blades
> for sale ??
>
> Gil Levesque
>
> Kitfox 4
> " GROUNDED!!!"
>
>
> Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Brian,
Just send them back. It will most likely only cost postage one way.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
Brian,
E-mail me at fultz@trip.net if you would be interested in getting rid of
the 20XL. I like tinkering with broke headsets. Sometimes I'm successful
and sometimes I'm not.
Andy F.
I still have the 20XL, but it's out of warranty, and
I don't want to deal with sending it in for repair.
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| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" <caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
I have never had a problem with Lightspeed repairs. I have set three pairs
back to them for small repairs. They have never charged me and in fact they
have always upgraded older components to the newest parts. #2 behind BOSE.
I have 4 pairs in my Saratoga.
greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Brian,
> Just send them back. It will most likely only cost postage one way.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
>
> Brian,
>
> E-mail me at fultz@trip.net if you would be interested in getting rid of
> the 20XL. I like tinkering with broke headsets. Sometimes I'm successful
> and sometimes I'm not.
>
> Andy F.
>
> I still have the 20XL, but it's out of warranty, and
> I don't want to deal with sending it in for repair.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 912S Starting Procedure |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
I need some advice from list members. I did a search in the archives and
could find nothing on this subject. I thought it had been discussed at one
time or another. What is the best or most accepted way for starting this 912
engine? I do not have a primer on this thing and using the choke seems to
have no effect. Is it OK to pump the throttle 2 or 3 times before hitting
the starter. And should you let the starter turn the engine over a few times
before switching on the mags. I am also concern about engine shake at
starting and at shut down.....comments
Roger Mac
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC hee hee hee |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
I know I'm a couple days behind this list as usual but damn that was funny
Gary!
I'm still laughing.
I hope you meant it the way I took it.
That was brilliant...Thanks for the good laugh...I needed it.
I want to buy you a beer!
Tom Tomlin
IV Speedster Jabiru 3300
test flying 17 hours so far
I know, I owe you guys some photos
and some specs...maybe after OshKosh.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right MUSIC
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> RAP does the same thing to me too :-)
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> Gary,
> Thanks for that link. For some reason, that song does things to my
> innards.
>
> Do Not Archive
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV W/ 582
>> Enya..Only Time
>>
>> Here is a link
>> Gary Walsh
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Starting Procedure |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Hello Roger,
The 912 choke is not a true choke in the pure sense. It en richens the
mixture only when the throttle is completely closed. As you will undoubtedly
hear, most 912 owners swear by the addition of a primer, while others crank a
few
turns with only the choke on (enrichener) and then let her have some spark.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
John, I'm sorry I didn't know you sold the DRE's.
I bought a set and concur...they are an excellent value.
They are comfortable, quiet, and appear to live up to
their great specs.
Tom Tomlin
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Mike,
> The single jack vs the dual jack is typically helicopter vs
> aircraft. You
> will find the dual jack more common. Headsets become a personal choice.
> Bose are fantastic headsets that are very pricy.. David Clarks (DC's) have
> always been an excellent headset. Light Speed is a popular choice.
> DRE-6000
> is what I sell and use in our aircraft.
>
> If you're looking for a new headset.. spend a little more and go with the
> noise canceling headsets.. it is worth it. I choose the DRE's because:
> They were comfortable and the Noise canceling was excellent. For $300 they
> were tough to beat.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Ford
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
>
> I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
> junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
>
> I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
> reviews.
>
> I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
> gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
> hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
> plane headsets.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find general info on
> headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
> difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
> the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
>
> Thanks for any reply's!
> Mike
> Wausau, WI
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Starting Procedure |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net
Roger,
I have a 912 on my kitfox and I don't use the primer at all, in fact, I have disconnected
it (one less place for a possible leak). I typically don't use the
primer either unless the engine in cold. I flip on the mags and give her a crank
and that is usually it. If it doesn't turn over on the first rotation or
two of the prop, I let off the starter and give it a second or two and then try
again. It has started everytime. Keep in mind, I leave the throttle completely
closed. I read somewhere that the carbs have what is called a "starting
choke" and unless the throttle is at idle, it will not engage. This may not
help you but it is how I start my 912.
Darin Hawkes
N323MM - Model III
KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
>
>Hello Roger,
>
>The 912 choke is not a true choke in the pure sense. It en richens the
>mixture only when the throttle is completely closed. As you will undoubtedly
>hear, most 912 owners swear by the addition of a primer, while others crank a
few
>turns with only the choke on (enrichener) and then let her have some spark.
>
>John P. Marzluf
>Columbus, Ohio
>Outback, (out back in the garage)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes@roxio.com>
My experience with LightSpeed has been excellent. Send it in for repair,
they will provide a fair price and superior quality.
Joel
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading |
edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes@roxio.com>
John,
Would the leading edge tape you're testing be suitable on warp speed
blades destined for float operations?
Joel
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