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Mon 08/01/05


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 04:47 AM - Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH! (DC91840@aol.com)
     2. 06:05 AM - Re: Quick drain fitting size (Steve Zakreski)
     3. 08:10 AM - Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH! (Lynn Matteson)
     4. 05:00 PM - Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH! (RAY Gignac)
     5. 05:03 PM - Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH! (RAY Gignac)
     6. 09:31 PM - A Wale of a tale (Jim Crowder)
     7. 10:23 PM - Re: A Wale of a tale (Harry Tucker)
     8. 10:24 PM - Re: A Wale of a tale (Don Pearsall)
     9. 11:38 PM - SV: A Wale of a tale (Michel Verheughe)
    10. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:47:36 AM PST US
    From: DC91840@aol.com
    Subject: Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com Ray: What was your route and how many stops did you make? Looks like fun. Maybe next year.You can use my E-mail if you like. Thanks Don Classic IV/ Jibiru 3300


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    Time: 06:05:04 AM PST US
    From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Quick drain fitting size
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> Brad You didn't ask for advice, but I'll just mention this because this item has come up regularly over the years. Several of us on the list had what we thought was leaking wing drain valves and it turned out to be a leaking sight glass connection which was dribbling it's way internally over the wing fabric to the drain fitting. Very difficult to spot, but the give-away is the smell of fuel inside the aircraft at the wing root. When everything is tight, you should not smell any fuel whatsoever. You may also want to try replacing the drain fitting with a NPT plug from your local hardware store (1/8" I think). If it still leaks, you know you likely have a leaking sight glass fitting. Also, the drain fitting sometimes gets fouled with debris, also easy to fix once removed. SteveZ Calgary IV/NSI/CAP -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flybradair@cs.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Quick drain fitting size --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com Anyone have the correct size of the quick drain fuel fittings that are installed on the bottom of the wing tanks? I am guessing that the size is 3/8--24 but not sure. It would be nice to have the fittings ordered and here when I change the leaking ones out! Thanks, Brad Martin Wichita N232WB do not archive


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    Time: 08:10:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH!
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> Nice meeting you up in Oshkosh, Ray. I got back Friday afternoon, driving through Chicago to Michigan. I got a lot of good ideas from the 'foxes in attendance, and from their pilots, including John King, Bruce Lina, and others. Lynn do not archive On Sunday, July 31, 2005, at 10:39 PM, RAY Gignac wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com> > > Got back from Oshkosh Thursday night, was a great time. I flew my > Model IV to the airshow with a friend. Camped out in the homebuilt > camping area. I only saw about 12 other kitfoxs at the show. By the > way flew from Bowie Maryland to Oshkosh and back 18 hours total on the > hobbs. Had to circle Rush lake for an Hour so the big formations > could land first!! but overall it was a nice trip, will do it again > next year. > > Ray Gignac, N2BH > Model IV, 1200 912S > >


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    Time: 05:00:56 PM PST US
    From: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com> My route was kinda simple, Bowie Maryland to Mansfield Ohio 1st stop, 2nd stop was at De Kalb Illinois, Only two stops on the way to Oshkosh! from De Kalb I flew straight into Oshkosh but was put in a holding pattern for about 1 hour over rush lake. I will be going again next year, that 2005 Oshkosh sticker looks great on the side of my Kitfox. Ray Gignac Original Message ----- From: DC91840@aol.com<mailto:DC91840@aol.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BACK FROM OSHKOSH! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com<mailto:DC91840@aol.com> Ray: What was your route and how many stops did you make? Looks like fun. Maybe next year.You can use my E-mail if you like. Thanks Don Classic IV/ Jibiru 3300


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    Time: 05:03:21 PM PST US
    From: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: BACK FROM OSHKOSH!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com> Lynn, Sure was nice to meet you, and talk Kitfox! looking forward to seeing you and the Kitfox at Oshkosh next year. Let's keep in touch. Ray Gignac (301) 518-2262 my Cell ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Matteson<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BACK FROM OSHKOSH! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>> Nice meeting you up in Oshkosh, Ray. I got back Friday afternoon, driving through Chicago to Michigan. I got a lot of good ideas from the 'foxes in attendance, and from their pilots, including John King, Bruce Lina, and others. Lynn do not archive On Sunday, July 31, 2005, at 10:39 PM, RAY Gignac wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>> > > Got back from Oshkosh Thursday night, was a great time. I flew my > Model IV to the airshow with a friend. Camped out in the homebuilt > camping area. I only saw about 12 other kitfoxs at the show. By the > way flew from Bowie Maryland to Oshkosh and back 18 hours total on the > hobbs. Had to circle Rush lake for an Hour so the big formations > could land first!! but overall it was a nice trip, will do it again > next year. > > Ray Gignac, N2BH > Model IV, 1200 912S > >


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    Time: 09:31:38 PM PST US
    From: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
    Subject: A Wale of a tale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> Check out page 66 of the August AOPA magazine. "Wind-tunnel tests using scale models of humpback pectoral flippers have shown that the bumpy flipper is more efficient design and has better stall characteristics than anything currently in aviation. The results were previously reported by researchers from West Chester University, Duke University, and the U.S. Naval Academy in the journal Physics of Fluids." "The bumpy flipper produced 8 percent more lift and 32 percent less drag, and stalled at a 40 percent steeper angle." It seems the flow is better attached to the upper surface of the flipper. The 40% steeper angle is not a misprint on my part. Now all we need to do is skin a whale and attach the skin to the upper surfaces of our wings, etc. Besides wings, they say it should work on airplane propellers and ship rudders. It sounds to me like what they have done to golf ball designs. Jim Crowder


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    Time: 10:23:52 PM PST US
    From: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
    Subject: A Wale of a tale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com> Where does one get the August AOPA magazine.? Harry Tucker Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa Tel: + 27 13 751 5918 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339 Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824 Email: harry@htucker.com Skype: harrytucker -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder Subject: Kitfox-List: A Wale of a tale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> Check out page 66 of the August AOPA magazine. "Wind-tunnel tests using scale models of humpback pectoral flippers have shown that the bumpy flipper is more efficient design and has better stall characteristics than anything currently in aviation. The results were previously reported by researchers from West Chester University, Duke University, and the U.S. Naval Academy in the journal Physics of Fluids." "The bumpy flipper produced 8 percent more lift and 32 percent less drag, and stalled at a 40 percent steeper angle." It seems the flow is better attached to the upper surface of the flipper. The 40% steeper angle is not a misprint on my part. Now all we need to do is skin a whale and attach the skin to the upper surfaces of our wings, etc. Besides wings, they say it should work on airplane propellers and ship rudders. It sounds to me like what they have done to golf ball designs. Jim Crowder


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    Time: 10:24:18 PM PST US
    From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
    Subject: A Wale of a tale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> Jim I have not read the article yet, but that is very interesting. We all know about the golf ball effect and how it breaks up the boundary layer, but did you know that "bumpy tape" is sold specifically for this? A lot of gliders use this tape on their leading edges to gain lift and reduce drag. Hmmmm, maybe it can be used on my land speed race motorcycle... Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder Subject: Kitfox-List: A Wale of a tale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> Check out page 66 of the August AOPA magazine. "Wind-tunnel tests using scale models of humpback pectoral flippers have shown that the bumpy flipper is more efficient design and has better stall characteristics than anything currently in aviation. The results were previously reported by researchers from West Chester University, Duke University, and the U.S. Naval Academy in the journal Physics of Fluids." "The bumpy flipper produced 8 percent more lift and 32 percent less drag, and stalled at a 40 percent steeper angle." It seems the flow is better attached to the upper surface of the flipper. The 40% steeper angle is not a misprint on my part. Now all we need to do is skin a whale and attach the skin to the upper surfaces of our wings, etc. Besides wings, they say it should work on airplane propellers and ship rudders. It sounds to me like what they have done to golf ball designs. Jim Crowder


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    Time: 11:38:38 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: A Wale of a tale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> > From: Don Pearsall [donpearsall@comcast.net] > We all know about the golf ball effect and how it breaks up the boundary layer I didn't, Don, because I am not a golfer. But, in the yachting world, we know the so-called "orange skin" effect on a hull performance. That's why I never bother to strip the old anti-fouling paint. It simply adds up from year to year, cracks up, makes an uneven surface that ... looks a bit like an orange skin and ... I sail faster! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 11:50:35 PM PST US
    From: dralle@matronics.com
    Subject: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting]
    DNA: do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com Dear Lister, Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Kitfox-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.]




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