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1. 12:39 AM - Re: first flight - oil injection question (Michel Verheughe)
2. 02:01 AM - CHT high reading (Graeme Toft)
3. 03:06 AM - Re: first flight - oil injection question (kitfox@gto.net)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Fabric socks vs rolls (clemwehner)
5. 09:46 AM - Re: first flight - oil injection question (Marco Menezes)
6. 10:07 AM - Re: Fabric socks vs rolls (David Savener)
7. 12:18 PM - Re: first flight - oil injection question (John Stoner)
8. 04:40 PM - Re: Fabric socks vs rolls (flier)
9. 04:42 PM - Re: first flight - oil injection question (Rex & Jan Shaw)
10. 05:26 PM - CRACKED MUFFLER! (RAY Gignac)
11. 05:59 PM - Re: first flight-oil injection question (GONER752@aol.com)
12. 06:11 PM - kitfox chat (GONER752@aol.com)
13. 07:46 PM - Re: CRACKED MUFFLER! (Don Pearsall)
14. 08:33 PM - Attention New England Kitfoxes: PYM Fly in Info Aug 14th (Jay Fabian)
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| Subject: | Re: first flight - oil injection question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Marco Menezes wrote:
> After 16 years in the building, Model 2 s/n 374 (Rotax 582) flew for the first
time
> today!
Congratulations, Marco! I am sure it must feel fantastic!
> How much oil should I be using and how do I check flow?
With my 582, I was mixing 2%, dirctly in the fuel tanks. The previous owner had
removed the oil injector. I believe it can be slightly under 2% but not much.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | CHT high reading |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
I was entering our ciruit the other day and noticed the right CHT was sitting on
1300. This is abnormaly high for my engine and 150 higher than the left cylinder
at the time. Engine rpm was 4000 but when I levelled and increased RPM to
6000 the high temp immediately returned to normal. Can anyone tell me if this
is a problem developing. The engine has not had the head off since a rebuild
80 hours ago.
Thanks
Graeme Toft
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| Subject: | Re: first flight - oil injection question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Marco, Congrats on your completion. !!
Now the 582 will run 50 to 70 to 1 on the oil injection. It is
mechanical and very dependable. The oil pump lever will travel with the
throttle. Check with your rotax manual to ensure proper set up. One a
new engine i think it advisable to add some oil to your fuel as well at
100 to 1 in case you have an issue with your injection. ( yours sounds
like it is working )
Use good mineral oil as well with a API -TC rating . Bombardier XPS or
Pennzoil for air cooled engines. Do not use outboard oil as it only
has a TCw3 rrating and it not what rotax recommends.
EGT 1250 is hot yes.... check your plugs to see the colour and
possible lower the clips on the needles (this raises the needle richer)
.
Water temp 180 is fine in this warm climate. I think trotax says 176
F max plus add in eror in guages and sender--your are prolly close.
What is your antifreee type and mixture? you need to use phospahte
free and distilled water.
Kirby....
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| Subject: | Fabric socks vs rolls |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
One more thought for the guys just learning to cover: I got an old
picture frame and covered it, then just before each step of the process
on the real airplane, I did it to the picture frame covering. It gave me
the confidence and experience to move on to the real airplane covering.
Clem
Lawton, OK KFIV-912
Re: ..............The instructions from Poly-Fiber are quite good and
if you pay attention to what you are doing a professional look isn't
difficult to achieve.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight - oil injection question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Thanks Kirby. It was a thrill. On break-in I did run 100:1 premix for 1 hour as
suggested by Rotax. Next 2 hours of run time have been straight 92 octane. Do
I understand you to mean that the 1/4" drop in oil tank contents over 3 hours
of operation is normal? I am using Airwolf AV-2 (TSC3). Maybe i'll continue to
burn pre-mix for a few more hours.
Carb circlips are already set to richest (position 3). I'm using the 11G2 needle.
Do I need a richer needle? WOT rpms were at about 6800. At static, it ran
about 6200. Should I coarsen the prop a bit more? The way she jumped off the ground
I'm not concerned with giving up climb performance.
As for antifreeze, I'm using an aluminum compatible type, 50:50 mix but not with
distilled. Our well water is somewhat "hard" but is free of chlorine.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 - 582 N99KX
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Marco, Congrats on your completion. !!
Now the 582 will run 50 to 70 to 1 on the oil injection. It is
mechanical and very dependable. The oil pump lever will travel with the
throttle. Check with your rotax manual to ensure proper set up. One a
new engine i think it advisable to add some oil to your fuel as well at
100 to 1 in case you have an issue with your injection. ( yours sounds
like it is working )
Use good mineral oil as well with a API -TC rating . Bombardier XPS or
Pennzoil for air cooled engines. Do not use outboard oil as it only
has a TCw3 rrating and it not what rotax recommends.
EGT 1250 is hot yes.... check your plugs to see the colour and
possible lower the clips on the needles (this raises the needle richer)
.
Water temp 180 is fine in this warm climate. I think trotax says 176
F max plus add in eror in guages and sender--your are prolly close.
What is your antifreee type and mixture? you need to use phospahte
free and distilled water.
Kirby....
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric socks vs rolls |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I covered two large picture frames. The first I only carried through the polybrush(pink)
stage. I cut that fabric out of the frame and kept it for making patches.
The second I painted through the color stage, then made a hole in it
so I could practice patching before I had to patch my finished airplane. I learned
a lot from that.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: clemwehner<mailto:clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fabric socks vs rolls
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net<mailto:clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>>
One more thought for the guys just learning to cover: I got an old
picture frame and covered it, then just before each step of the process
on the real airplane, I did it to the picture frame covering. It gave me
the confidence and experience to move on to the real airplane covering.
Clem
Lawton, OK KFIV-912
Re: ..............The instructions from Poly-Fiber are quite good and
if you pay attention to what you are doing a professional look isn't
difficult to achieve.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight - oil injection question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Marco,
Congrats on your flight.
I marked my oil tank to show the ounces of oil remaining and made a chart to
carry in the airplane that showed fuel consumption per ounce of oil at a
50:1 ratio. This way I could estimate correct oil consumption on every
flight by knowing the fuel consumption. It is an estimate only as was
pointed out that the correct injection ratio varies from 70:1 to 50:1
depending on throttle position.
As to the correct setting of the pump, the engine operator's manual states
that the marks must be aligned at idle throttle position. However, the
manual does not indicate whether the propellor is attached during this
alignment process. I started with the assumption that the marks are meant
to be aligned at idle with no load on the engine and did my alignment with
no prop on the engine. After installing the prop the idle had to be
significantly advanced to maintain 2,000 rpm. I then took a scribe and made
a new 'alignment' mark to indicate idle position of the pump when under load
at idle.
After setting the pump in this manner my fuel / oil consumption was very
close to 50:1 taking into account a little low rpm time for warm up and
taxiing.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
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| Subject: | Fabric socks vs rolls |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Add in a cross-member and you can learn to ribstitch.
I took my original frame after covering and put it outside for a year just
to see what would happen. The wood rotted of course but the fabric was
fine.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
Savener
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric socks vs rolls
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I covered two large picture frames. The first I only carried through the
polybrush(pink) stage. I cut that fabric out of the frame and kept it for
making patches. The second I painted through the color stage, then made a
hole in it so I could practice patching before I had to patch my finished
airplane. I learned a lot from that.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: clemwehner<mailto:clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fabric socks vs rolls
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner"
<clemwehner@sbcglobal.net<mailto:clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>>
One more thought for the guys just learning to cover: I got an old
picture frame and covered it, then just before each step of the process
on the real airplane, I did it to the picture frame covering. It gave me
the confidence and experience to move on to the real airplane covering.
Clem
Lawton, OK KFIV-912
Re: ..............The instructions from Poly-Fiber are quite good and
if you pay attention to what you are doing a professional look isn't
difficult to achieve.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight - oil injection question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Marco,
I'd say you need to look into your temps and oil usage.
My 582 Blue head would only see 180 degrees when doing a lot of taxi-ing in
hot weather. It usually flys around 150 in the cooler weather [ 20 celsius ]
and 160 to 170 in the summer and in flight.
My EGT's are often down to 900-1,000 but in fact I'm happier to see them
at 1,150-1,175 but 1250 is too hot in my opinion. Just richen it up a bit.
Raising the needle will do this in the mid range like 5,000 to the high 5's.
Above that, virtually full throttle, you will need to increase main jet
size.
Oil consumption should average out at 50 litres of fuel to 1 litre of oil.
Yours sounds like it's not getting enough oil. Check your pump setup by the
book. If you don't have that info contact me off list [ rexjan@bigpond.com ]
and I'll try scanning the info and E'mailing it to you. While you are
getting it right it is acceptable to also make a petroil mixture. This will
mean if your pump comes right you are then using more oil than 50 to 1 but
that's not a problem right down to 20 to 1.
Anyway congratulations on getting in the air. Have fun,
Rex Shaw
Australia.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | CRACKED MUFFLER! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Hello Folks,
After my trip to Oshkosh and back, I pulled my cowlings off the kitfox and discovered
a disturbing view! My exhaust tube had separated below the weld on the
muffler. The weld did not crack, looks like it was pulled straight out of the
muffler housing itself, around the weld. My reason for investigating was due
to a rough sounding engine which I thought might be fouled plugs. Well I know
the reason now. Will take photos and post for all to see very soon. I am
taking the muffler to a race shop and hope they can repair. By the way, Oshkosh
was a great trip in the Kitfox.
Ray Gignac, N2BH
Model IV, 1200 912S
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| Subject: | re: first flight-oil injection question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com
Congrats on the first flight, Marco. I flew my mod. II for the first time
last weekend. What a blast! I have s/n 375, I've wondered how you were coming
along. As for the injection question, afraid I can't be of much help except to
say that the injection tank was already gone from mine when I bought it. So I
premix 50:1. Talking with some folks awhile back, they were of the opinion
that premixing was the way to go anyway. They cited the possibility of the
injection system going down in flight or running the reservoir dry. I haven't
heard of any problems with the injection on the 582's and given the usage rate
you describe, running the oil out doesn't seem very likely either, so,
there's my two cents worth. I wish I had learned to fly in the fox, it's a bit
like
starting all over again. The rudder? That's for turning the nose
wheel,right? : ) Anyway, congrats and enjoy your new 'fox.
Greg Gerace
375kl
mod II 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com
Just wondering,does anyone ever use the kitfox chat room located at the
bottom of the thread? Seems to me the brain picking would be alot quicker. : )
Greg G.
do not archive
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| Subject: | CRACKED MUFFLER! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sorry for your muffler Ray. It is no doubt due to vibration. Was it rubber
or spring mounted? Please do post some pics and tell us the cause of the
problem.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Subject: Kitfox-List: CRACKED MUFFLER!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Hello Folks,
After my trip to Oshkosh and back, I pulled my cowlings off the kitfox and
discovered a disturbing view! My exhaust tube had separated below the weld
on the muffler. The weld did not crack, looks like it was pulled straight
out of the muffler housing itself, around the weld. My reason for
investigating was due to a rough sounding engine which I thought might be
fouled plugs. Well I know the reason now. Will take photos and post for
all to see very soon. I am taking the muffler to a race shop and hope they
can repair. By the way, Oshkosh was a great trip in the Kitfox.
Ray Gignac, N2BH
Model IV, 1200 912S
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| Subject: | Attention New England Kitfoxes: PYM Fly in Info Aug 14th |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi List,
OPEN INVITATION TO ALL!
EAA UL-62 chapter at Plymouth Mass (PYM). Will be having its annual Fly-in Barbeque
on Sunday , August 14th. Start Time is Noon.
The Theme plane is the RV series, but We have had the Kitfox featured a few years
ago too. We have 7 Kitfoxes in our chapter alone.
Special Guest is : John McBean , Formally of Skystar.
Sirloin Burgers ( The kind without the bone chunks in it), Hot Dogs, and more.....
GPS Raffle.
I know there are many kitfoxes in the area, so come on over. I am pulling my kitfox,
and myself out of mothballs and getting it inspected as we speak.
Hope to see you there,
Jay Fabian , Editor EAA UL-62
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