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1. 03:43 AM - Re: Project (Harry Tucker)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Meters (Clifford Begnaud)
3. 07:09 AM - Re: kitfox-list Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki (Rex Hefferan)
4. 07:19 AM - Gravity fed fuel systems on Continental 0200 (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 07:46 AM - (Wendy Jenks)
6. 07:59 AM - 582 Short TBO Re: kitfox-list Alternative Engines (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
7. 08:06 AM - Don Pearsall -Server Question (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
8. 08:33 AM - : 582 Short TBO Re: kitfox-list Alternative Engines (kitfox@gto.net)
9. 09:22 AM - Re: choosing an aircraft (Michael Gibbs)
10. 09:24 AM - Re:engines (AMuller589@aol.com)
11. 09:27 AM - Re: choosing an aircraft (AMuller589@aol.com)
12. 09:32 AM - Re: (Wendy Jenks)
13. 10:02 AM - Rotax 582 vs. Jabiru 2200 (Michel Verheughe)
14. 10:20 AM - Re: Re:engines (Steve Zakreski)
15. 11:42 AM - Model IV/Jabiru 2200 advice (Dan McIntyre)
16. 12:24 PM - Re: (Clifford Begnaud)
17. 12:27 PM - 3/16in rod ends on speedster (Mike Ford)
18. 12:44 PM - Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster (Hank)
19. 12:55 PM - Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster (Marco Menezes)
20. 01:18 PM - Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster (PWilson)
21. 02:10 PM - Re: Model IV/Jabiru 2200 advice (Michel Verheughe)
22. 02:27 PM - Re: Re:engines (NSI Subaru) (Clem Nichols)
23. 02:32 PM - Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster (Mike Ford)
24. 02:33 PM - Re: 912 Plugs (Paul Peerenboom)
25. 02:50 PM - Re: : 582 Short TBO Re: kitfox-list Alternative Engines (kitfoxjunky)
26. 04:02 PM - Re: Re:engines (Ben Baltrusaitis)
27. 04:30 PM - Re: Re:engines (AMuller589@aol.com)
28. 05:13 PM - Re: 912 Plugs (Brett Walmsley)
29. 05:51 PM - Re: 912 Plugs (Paul Peerenboom)
30. 06:05 PM - Re: 912 Plugs (N93HJ)
31. 06:22 PM - Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster (Roger Standley)
32. 07:05 PM - Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster (PWilson)
33. 10:25 PM - Re: Re:engines (NSI Subaru) (Jim Crowder)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
Please use this email from now
Thanks for this
I will call
Harry Tucker
Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC
PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa
Tel: + 27 13 751 5918 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824
Email: harry@htucker.com
Skype: harrytucker
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Daniels
Subject: Kitfox-List: Project
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I was contacted by an individual that lives in Baker City, Oregon about
two projects he has that he would like to sell. I have not seen them but
a friend that is an A&P AI said he does very good work. He got
interested in a Helicopter. I am told that this is the way this
gentleman is and is not a reflection of the project. I am not selling
them for him and I am not associated with him in any way except that he
came to a few years ago asking about a Kitfox. I took him flying so he
could get the feel of the plane. He was an experienced pilot but had
never flow a tailwheel plane. He then bought a 2 and decided to teach
himself to fly it with predicable results. The first project is a model
4. It has the 912s out of the factory Lite Squared that flipped in the
wind and has about 50 hours on it. It has Grove gear, 8.50 x 6 tires,
Cleveland wheels and brakes. It has been registered but needs a little
final work and the air worthiness inspection. The next project is the
factory model 6 that was hit by the 182 that came into Skystars hangar.
I understand that it is complete and as damaged. He is looking for fair
offers on both of them. With the price of stuff now it could be a real
buy for someone. Call him direct for details. Mr. Radle 541-524-9312
These projects have not been advertised yet.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Andy,
I have the Navman, but plan to replace the fuel flow sensor. The sensor is
made of plastic and has 3/8" plastic hose barbs instead of 5/16". The barbs
are not nearly as sturdy as I think they need to be and I just don't trust
that plastic unit in my main fuel line. A failure there would completely rob
the engine of fuel.
Otherwise, the Navman seems to work ok. There is no fuel computer in the one
that I have; it shows fuel flow, total fuel remaining, fuel used on this
trip and total fuel used. It requires calibrating and is fairly accurate
after doing so.
I plan to redo my panel someday, and when I do I'll dump the Navman
completely. Instead I'll buy a floScan sensor to drive the fuel flow feature
on a Digital Engine monitor like the IK AIM-3000.
http://www.i-ktechnologies.com/Products-aim3.htm This available from John
McBean.
In my opinion, fuel pressure is a FAR more important gauge to have. In fact
I think it is a critical item. Especially in a new kitfox which is likely to
have fuel system issues (many do). It must be able to read the low pressures
in a gravity fed system without a fuel pump running, or prior to the
mechanical pump on a 912.
Cliff
S5, Lyc 0-235
Erie, CO
>
>
> Alright guys, help me out here. Why should I spend over twice the money
> for a "MIZER" fuel flow meter when I can get a "NAVMAN" fuel flow meter
> for
> half the price.
>
> Have any of you used the NAVMAN and what results have you had? I'm
> having a hard time justifying the difference in money.
>
> Andy F.
>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox-list Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
I too am watching this thread with interest. While I have yet to fly my
project (Model 2 - 582) the engine will need a complete rebuild as it
has been well over 10 years since new. It may be an option to switch
engines.
Rex
Colorado
Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
>Thanks for that post Bill. I have a MKIV Classic/582 and my current motor
>still has not done 100 hrs from new yet so I'm not ready to change at this
>point. The 582 is a great engine but I suspect at MTOW on take off the Suzi
>engine could be better. I also guess the fuel economy would be better. Not
>sure about the life. Rotax say a big overhaul in 300 hrs but that seems way
>too soon for a blue head, but if one does go by the 300hrs then I imagine
>the Suzi wins hands down.
> I was at a fly-in a couple of months ago and there was a plane there
>called a Schnark with a 3 cylinder Suzi in it and I was amazed how sweet it
>ran. Puts the 582 to shame the way it runs between 2 and 3,000 RPM.
> Yes if and when I need to do big work on my 582 then I would consider the
>Suzi. I don't like the single ignition though.
> Do you know if the Suzi fits inside the Kitfox Classic cowl and what
>version of the motor. I think we need at least the 80 HP to make the change
>worthwhile. Can you point to anyone with a Suzi in a Kitfox ?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rex Shaw
>
>Australia.
>rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
Subject: Gravity fed fuel systems on Continental 0200
When do I use my electric fuel pump for my Continental 0200 that's installed
in a model V Outback? There's an electric fuel pump installed but do I need
to use it? If so when?
Robert
Series V/0200 San Diego
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wendy Jenks <godsbreath75@yahoo.com>
shut up
Blessings,
Wendy
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
- Geo/Suzuki
Subject: 582 Short TBO RE: Kitfox-List: kitfox-list Alternative Engines
- Geo/Suzuki
The performance of a 582 with an in-flight adjustable prop is hard to beat.
Overhauling your 582 is easy and you can have it done right from your house.
Bob Robertson or other Rotax dealers can ship you an engine crate which you
return to him with your engine. The 582 rebuild with a new crank is
inexpensive, fast and easy.
Using another engine may present new problems and it may be hard to find
support but it may pay off.
Micael how is your Jabiru doing on your model III? Would you recommend
making the switch?
Robert
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
Subject: Don Pearsall -Server Question
To Don Pearsall:
Hi Don,
Do you know if my post is making to the Kitfox list? Wendy is getting the
post(see below).
Sorry Wendy. I'm trying to fix this so you don't get my posts.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Jenks
Subject:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wendy Jenks <godsbreath75@yahoo.com>
shut up
Blessings,
Wendy
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| Subject: | kitfox-list Alternative Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Robert, Very nicely said. 582 a great engine and excellent performer.
I just put Amphibs on my IV with 582 and it amazing it still gets 600
+ fpm, cruise about 82 and take off run about 400 feet with 18 gal
fuel solo.
582 would most likey new a re-seal of crank seals and I would agree
that Bob Robertson is an excellent choice for Rotax work. He is a Rotax
Engine instructor and runs his own shop in Alberta. Turn around usualy
under 2 weeks from day you ship to day you get back.
Call him here TOLL FREE numer 1-866-418-4164. But i think he away a
few days this week, you can leave message .
Bob Robertson, Light engine Services.
Best Regards,
Kirby
>
> From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
> To: "'kitfox-list@matronics.com'" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> - Geo/Suzuki
> Subject: 582 Short TBO RE: Kitfox-List: kitfox-list Alternative
Engines
> - Geo/Suzuki
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:58:22 -0700
>
> The performance of a 582 with an in-flight adjustable prop is hard to
beat.
> Overhauling your 582 is easy and you can have it done right from your
house.
> Bob Robertson or other Rotax dealers can ship you an engine crate
which you
> return to him with your engine. The 582 rebuild with a new crank is
> inexpensive, fast and easy.
> Using another engine may present new problems and it may be hard to
find
> support but it may pay off.
> Micael how is your Jabiru doing on your model III? Would you
recommend
> making the switch?
>
> Robert
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| Subject: | Re: choosing an aircraft |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Rick sez:
>...looking for advice on used aircraft selection.
What do you think guys, should we recommend a Kitfox? :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
Does anyone have a Kitfox with Subaru engine. We have a Series V with 2.2
liter Eggenfellner Subaru and would like to compare performance figures with
someone. We are seeing 300-400 fpm climbs with two 200 pounders and 26 gal fuel.
It looks like the floatplane foxes are out-climbing us. We have a two bladed
IVO ground adjustable prop and none of the blade angles give more than
400fpm. It does have Tundra tires and tailwheel. t.o. distance is 380 ft
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| Subject: | Re: choosing an aircraft |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
the airplane of choice depends on what the intended use is. Kitfox looks
like a good choice for local fun and unimproved strips. could be used for rare
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wendy Jenks <godsbreath75@yahoo.com>
wow i didn't know this was a really really real list. i just thought i was recieving
a bunch of dead email from some port in outerspace. sorry. hey if you
really do want to take me off the list i sure would appricate it. wendy
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
From: "Harris, Robert"
Subject: Don Pearsall -Server Question
To Don Pearsall:
Hi Don,
Do you know if my post is making to the Kitfox list? Wendy is getting the
post(see below).
Sorry Wendy. I'm trying to fix this so you don't get my posts.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Jenks
Subject:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wendy Jenks
shut up
Blessings,
Wendy
Blessings,
Wendy
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 vs. Jabiru 2200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> Micael how is your Jabiru doing on your model III? Would you recommend
> making the switch?
After 70 hours, I am very pleased with my Jabiru, indeed, Robert. Although I
was also pleased with the 582, I feel the Jabiru was worth the extra money.
My empty weight hasn't exceed more than 18 pounds, including the new cowling
and new battery. My climb up performance is about the same but the main
difference is the cruise speed. I get 90 MPH (10 MPH under Vne) at 2,700 RPM,
burning only 13.5 liters (3.6 US gallons) per hour of Mogas or Avgas. The
engine is happy with both.
The engine starts at the first starter revolution and purrs like a kitten. At
cruise speed, it is so quiet that I can even use my cell phone.
With proper cooling and maintenance, I believe the engine is trouble free. One
thing, though, don't try composite adjustable pitch props on that engine. Since
it has no gearbox, harmonic vibrations may cause damages to the engine.
I was also very pleased with the 582, though. But if you count with the fuel
saving and the longer TBO (2,000 hours with a top cylinder adjustment at 1,000
hours) it is certainly not more expensive at the end.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I have a Classic 4 with NSI EA81 and CAP prop. I can hit 1000 fpm at gross.
But it may be the prop that makes the difference.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:engines
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
Does anyone have a Kitfox with Subaru engine. We have a Series V with 2.2
liter Eggenfellner Subaru and would like to compare performance figures with
someone. We are seeing 300-400 fpm climbs with two 200 pounders and 26 gal
fuel.
It looks like the floatplane foxes are out-climbing us. We have a two
bladed
IVO ground adjustable prop and none of the blade angles give more than
400fpm. It does have Tundra tires and tailwheel. t.o. distance is 380 ft
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| Subject: | Model IV/Jabiru 2200 advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dan McIntyre" <danm@gangnailtruss.com>
Hello list, I need some advice, I am currently constructing a model IV (65% to
70%complete). I purchased a new Jabiru engine back in Sept 2002 when I purchased
the kit. On hind site I should have waited until about now to purchase the
engine but I didn't. Anyway, since I've had the engine I have hand turned it over
with the prop 6 or 7 rev's about every other week. I then spray a fogging
oil into each cylinder. I keep the carb and exhaust pipe capped also.
Approximately every month or two, I crank the engine use a battery jumper cables
for 20 to 30 seconds to make sure oil is being pumped thru out the engine. I
also spray the fogging oil into the cylinders. The engine is filled with AeroShell
100 by the way.
My question to the group is, am I missing any thing with my procedure and will
my engine last until I finish the kit, I expect to complete the kit in about a
year. Should I sell the engine and buy a new one later? Will the engine need
overhaul before I fire it up. ?????????????
Thanks in advance
Dan Mc Intyre
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Take off, landing, steep climbs.
Cliff
S5-- Lyc 0-235
> When do I use my electric fuel pump for my Continental 0200 that's
> installed
> in a model V Outback? There's an electric fuel pump installed but do I
> need
> to use it? If so when?
> Robert
> Series V/0200 San Diego
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 3/16in rod ends on speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
Has anyone on the list heard of there being issues
with the 3/16in rod ends that are used on the
horizontal stabilizer struts?
I just purchased a used Kitfox Speedster and this was
brought up as a point of interest when my transitional
instructor and I did a walk around.
We also noticed that the horz stab is a bit crooked.
The left leading edge seams about an 1 1/2 higher than
the right. So we thought we might fix two in one by
getting the newer struts with 1/4in rod ends.
Is this something that most have replaced? Sky Star
hasn't gotten back to me on a price yet. Another
option seems to be that we might be able to machine
the existing struts for the 1/4in rod ends and weld
them in place.
Does anything mentioned send up a red flag for anyone?
Thanks!
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster |
Received-SPF: none (smtp-relay.tamu.edu: domain of hank@hankseidel.com does not
designate permitted sender hosts)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank <hank@hankseidel.com>
Hi Mike,
I replaced the struts (model IV under construction) with the 1/4 inch
from Skystar. I think they cost about $200.00 with powder coating.
This should allow you to fix the problem you describe as the new
struts come with long flat tongues on the fuselage ends. It is up to
the builder to determine where to drill and then grind off the extra
metal.
A friend had hers re-machined I think or had them remade locally. I
know that my new ones are thicker and heavier in their entirety, not
just the threaded ends when compared to the originals. So as far as
red flags I don't know if you want to just replace the ends.
Hank
On Aug 11, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Mike Ford wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Has anyone on the list heard of there being issues
> with the 3/16in rod ends that are used on the
> horizontal stabilizer struts?
>
> I just purchased a used Kitfox Speedster and this was
> brought up as a point of interest when my transitional
> instructor and I did a walk around.
>
> We also noticed that the horz stab is a bit crooked.
> The left leading edge seams about an 1 1/2 higher than
> the right. So we thought we might fix two in one by
> getting the newer struts with 1/4in rod ends.
>
> Is this something that most have replaced? Sky Star
> hasn't gotten back to me on a price yet. Another
> option seems to be that we might be able to machine
> the existing struts for the 1/4in rod ends and weld
> them in place.
>
> Does anything mentioned send up a red flag for anyone?
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hi Mike. Do you have the bungee gear? If so, check to see if left bungee is stretched
so that gear isn't snug against the airframe. This condition will result
in the observations you report.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford
Has anyone on the list heard of there being issues
with the 3/16in rod ends that are used on the
horizontal stabilizer struts?
I just purchased a used Kitfox Speedster and this was
brought up as a point of interest when my transitional
instructor and I did a walk around.
We also noticed that the horz stab is a bit crooked.
The left leading edge seams about an 1 1/2 higher than
the right. So we thought we might fix two in one by
getting the newer struts with 1/4in rod ends.
Is this something that most have replaced? Sky Star
hasn't gotten back to me on a price yet. Another
option seems to be that we might be able to machine
the existing struts for the 1/4in rod ends and weld
them in place.
Does anything mentioned send up a red flag for anyone?
Thanks!
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwilson@climber.org>
Yup - red flag. Change to 1/4" to be safe. Been discussed at great length.
Its a DIY project for less than $20. Buy the ends for Spruce
AN490?? cut off the ends and find a TIG welder to weld in place. My
welder took 20 minutes to weld both. The tube is 3/8"x.020. A
standard size . Some guys have used bigger tubes but IMO that is way
over kill just to fix the weak spot.
Paul
==========
At 12:26 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
>
>Has anyone on the list heard of there being issues
>with the 3/16in rod ends that are used on the
>horizontal stabilizer struts?
>
>I just purchased a used Kitfox Speedster and this was
>brought up as a point of interest when my transitional
>instructor and I did a walk around.
>
>We also noticed that the horz stab is a bit crooked.
>The left leading edge seams about an 1 1/2 higher than
>the right. So we thought we might fix two in one by
>getting the newer struts with 1/4in rod ends.
>
>Is this something that most have replaced? Sky Star
>hasn't gotten back to me on a price yet. Another
>option seems to be that we might be able to machine
>the existing struts for the 1/4in rod ends and weld
>them in place.
>
>Does anything mentioned send up a red flag for anyone?
>
>Thanks!
>Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV/Jabiru 2200 advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dan McIntyre wrote:
> My question to the group is, am I missing any thing with my procedure
I am not sure, Dan. But you could ask the question to the Yahoo Jabiru Engine list.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re:engines (NSI Subaru) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
For whatever it's worth, I've been trying to get in touch with NSI for the
past 6 weeks regarding replacement of a cast aluminum alternator mounting
bracket. During routine maintenance some 18 months ago I found that the
mount was broken, and had it welded professionally at a local shop. Six
weeks ago when a friend and I were flying on a short cross-country, my
engine started overheating, and I had to do a forced landing in a soy bean
field. (Fortunately neither I nor the plane was hurt.) When I removed the
cowling I found that the mount had broken again at a different site than the
weld, and this time the alternator had come loose removing tension from the
belts which also drive the water pump. Since that time I have tried on
numerous occasions to contact NSI, by e-mail, telephone, and fax. ZERO
response to all attempts. I have finally given up on them, and taken the
part to a nearby machine shop to have a replacement part cut from a solid
aluminum billet for only $500. I have rationalized this by telling myself
that this approach would probably be far superior to using another cast
mount. What I am unable to understand, however, is how any company trying
to sell a product to the public can hope to survive by acting in such an
irresponsible manner. I am posting this message so that anyone considering
using an NSI product will be forewarned.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> I have a Classic 4 with NSI EA81 and CAP prop. I can hit 1000 fpm at
> gross.
> But it may be the prop that makes the difference.
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AMuller589@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:engines
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
>
> Does anyone have a Kitfox with Subaru engine. We have a Series V with 2.2
> liter Eggenfellner Subaru and would like to compare performance figures
> with
>
> someone. We are seeing 300-400 fpm climbs with two 200 pounders and 26 gal
> fuel.
> It looks like the floatplane foxes are out-climbing us. We have a two
> bladed
> IVO ground adjustable prop and none of the blade angles give more than
> 400fpm. It does have Tundra tires and tailwheel. t.o. distance is 380 ft
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
Thanks a lot guys. As for the gear, they are Grove
alum. gearing. We first noticed the mis-alignment by
looking at the horz stab's relation to the wing.
Rough measuments from the ground confirmed what we
saw.
I'll look into the possibility of having someone
machine that piece. Otherwise, I'll just order new.
Thanks again!
Mike
--- PWilson <pwilson@climber.org> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson
> <pwilson@climber.org>
>
> Yup - red flag. Change to 1/4" to be safe. Been
> discussed at great length.
> Its a DIY project for less than $20. Buy the ends
> for Spruce
> AN490?? cut off the ends and find a TIG welder to
> weld in place. My
> welder took 20 minutes to weld both. The tube is
> 3/8"x.020. A
> standard size . Some guys have used bigger tubes but
> IMO that is way
> over kill just to fix the weak spot.
> Paul
> ==========
>
> At 12:26 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford
> <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Has anyone on the list heard of there being issues
> >with the 3/16in rod ends that are used on the
> >horizontal stabilizer struts?
> >
> >I just purchased a used Kitfox Speedster and this
> was
> >brought up as a point of interest when my
> transitional
> >instructor and I did a walk around.
> >
> >We also noticed that the horz stab is a bit
> crooked.
> >The left leading edge seams about an 1 1/2 higher
> than
> >the right. So we thought we might fix two in one
> by
> >getting the newer struts with 1/4in rod ends.
> >
> >Is this something that most have replaced? Sky
> Star
> >hasn't gotten back to me on a price yet. Another
> >option seems to be that we might be able to machine
> >the existing struts for the 1/4in rod ends and weld
> >them in place.
> >
> >Does anything mentioned send up a red flag for
> anyone?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Mike
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
I purchaced the iridum spark plug DCPR7EIX when I went to put them in I saw
the cap ends are solid type not screw type for the NGK caps? What did I
miss. Has anyone put the Iridium plugs in a 912UL???
Paul N102DG
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox-list Alternative Engines |
Serialize complete at 08/11/2005 05:49:53 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I have a KF IV with a Rotax 912S. Love the engine..but I must admit that
the 582 really caught me by surprise. I went for a ride in a 582 equipped
Fox to get some tailwheel time, and the performance was very impressive
with two people aboard.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
AMuller,
I have the 5 w/EJ-22. With two aboard and full tanks I still get 1000 fpm. I have
a Warp Drive 3-blade prop that was set to 18 degrees. Cruise was around 100
mph. I was hoping for more cruise and just yesterday changed the pitch to 20
degrees. Climb dropped to about 900 fpm with about 12 gals fuel and two aboard.
OAT was in the upper 80s. I didn't get to test the cruise as haze was too thick
so we went back to the field.
With idle at 1100 rpm (Ross 2.17 drive) the plane floated forever.
I never measured takeoff ground roll, but it is longer than your 380 ft., probably
more than double.
I have wheel pants and strut fairings.
I really NEED an IVO in flight adjustable prop.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Zakreski
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:engines
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I have a Classic 4 with NSI EA81 and CAP prop. I can hit 1000 fpm at gross.
But it may be the prop that makes the difference.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:engines
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
Does anyone have a Kitfox with Subaru engine. We have a Series V with 2.2
liter Eggenfellner Subaru and would like to compare performance figures with
someone. We are seeing 300-400 fpm climbs with two 200 pounders and 26 gal
fuel.
It looks like the floatplane foxes are out-climbing us. We have a two
bladed
IVO ground adjustable prop and none of the blade angles give more than
400fpm. It does have Tundra tires and tailwheel. t.o. distance is 380 ft
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
thanks for the reply. We get the speed fairings hopefully this week and will
see what that does, before we change props.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
The cap should screw off...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
> <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>
> I purchaced the iridum spark plug DCPR7EIX when I went to put them in I
> saw
> the cap ends are solid type not screw type for the NGK caps? What did I
> miss. Has anyone put the Iridium plugs in a 912UL???
>
> Paul N102DG
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
The cap will not screw off and the box is marked that way
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Plugs
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>
> The cap should screw off...
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
>> <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>>
>> I purchaced the iridum spark plug DCPR7EIX when I went to put them in I
>> saw
>> the cap ends are solid type not screw type for the NGK caps? What did I
>> miss. Has anyone put the Iridium plugs in a 912UL???
>>
>> Paul N102DG
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "N93HJ" <n93hj@numail.org>
Hmmm.
Is there a screw off version?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Plugs
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
<ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>
> The cap will not screw off and the box is marked that way
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Plugs
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
> >
> > The cap should screw off...
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom"
> >> <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
> >>
> >> I purchaced the iridum spark plug DCPR7EIX when I went to put them in I
> >> saw
> >> the cap ends are solid type not screw type for the NGK caps? What did I
> >> miss. Has anyone put the Iridium plugs in a 912UL???
> >>
> >> Paul N102DG
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
What failed in the past was the weld, not the 3/16 in rod ends. If you go to 1/4",
hope you are a good "TIG'er"
----- Original Message -----
From: PWilson<mailto:pwilson@climber.org>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3/16in rod ends on speedster
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwilson@climber.org<mailto:pwilson@climber.org>>
Yup - red flag. Change to 1/4" to be safe. Been discussed at great length.
Its a DIY project for less than $20. Buy the ends for Spruce
AN490?? cut off the ends and find a TIG welder to weld in place. My
welder took 20 minutes to weld both. The tube is 3/8"x.020. A
standard size . Some guys have used bigger tubes but IMO that is way
over kill just to fix the weak spot.
Paul
At 12:26 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com<mailto:fordm2003@yahoo.com>>
>
>Has anyone on the list heard of there being issues
>with the 3/16in rod ends that are used on the
>horizontal stabilizer struts?
>
>I just purchased a used Kitfox Speedster and this was
>brought up as a point of interest when my transitional
>instructor and I did a walk around.
>
>We also noticed that the horz stab is a bit crooked.
>The left leading edge seams about an 1 1/2 higher than
>the right. So we thought we might fix two in one by
>getting the newer struts with 1/4in rod ends.
>
>Is this something that most have replaced? Sky Star
>hasn't gotten back to me on a price yet. Another
>option seems to be that we might be able to machine
>the existing struts for the 1/4in rod ends and weld
>them in place.
>
>Does anything mentioned send up a red flag for anyone?
>
>Thanks!
>Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16in rod ends on speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwilson@climber.org>
Not true. Skystar uses a socket head cap screw stuck in the end of
the rod and it breaks at the head/thread interface. When using the
AN490 it just needs several plug welds. Not real challenging.
Paul
===============
At 06:24 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
>
>What failed in the past was the weld, not the 3/16 in rod ends. If
>you go to 1/4", hope you are a good "TIG'er"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PWilson<mailto:pwilson@climber.org>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3/16in rod ends on speedster
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson
> <pwilson@climber.org<mailto:pwilson@climber.org>>
>
> Yup - red flag. Change to 1/4" to be safe. Been discussed at great length.
> Its a DIY project for less than $20. Buy the ends for Spruce
> AN490?? cut off the ends and find a TIG welder to weld in place. My
> welder took 20 minutes to weld both. The tube is 3/8"x.020. A
> standard size . Some guys have used bigger tubes but IMO that is way
> over kill just to fix the weak spot.
> Paul
>
>
> At 12:26 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford
> <fordm2003@yahoo.com<mailto:fordm2003@yahoo.com>>
> >
> >Has anyone on the list heard of there being issues
> >with the 3/16in rod ends that are used on the
> >horizontal stabilizer struts?
> >
> >I just purchased a used Kitfox Speedster and this was
> >brought up as a point of interest when my transitional
> >instructor and I did a walk around.
> >
> >We also noticed that the horz stab is a bit crooked.
> >The left leading edge seams about an 1 1/2 higher than
> >the right. So we thought we might fix two in one by
> >getting the newer struts with 1/4in rod ends.
> >
> >Is this something that most have replaced? Sky Star
> >hasn't gotten back to me on a price yet. Another
> >option seems to be that we might be able to machine
> >the existing struts for the 1/4in rod ends and weld
> >them in place.
> >
> >Does anything mentioned send up a red flag for anyone?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Mike
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:engines (NSI Subaru) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
Clem,
I'm sure this has been frustrating. I have sometimes had trouble
getting ahold of them, but never that much. I don't know if they
were at Oskosh this year, as I wasn't. Even if they didn't display,
I suspect Lance was there. They also shut the plant at this time
every year for vacations. At least they have in past years. The six
weeks you mention does coincide with their usual closing. They are a
very small company and little happens that Lance doesn't do or take a
part in. Lance also is project driven. Whatever his current project
is gets massive attention and other things suffer. With all of this,
Lance has helped me more than I had a right to expect. I take the
good with the bad, and on balance I feel I am ahead. I'm sorry you
do not, but I understand. I hope your new part works out for you. I
will check my bracket tomorrow.
When I do get hold of Lance, he has always come through for me. He
does strive for excellence. You can see it in the quality of the
work he turns our. He is just spread too thin. His ideas and
products are not "me too" stuff. There is not a lot of money in this
business unless your company is Van Aircraft and Van is not producing
engines and cabin adjustable props. Most engine installations are
different, and we are test pilots and co-developers, and should
expect to shoulder a significant amount of the burdens.
Most of what I've written does not apply to you, Clem. I just got
started. :) You and some others have a right to feel frustrated at times.
Jim Crowder
Do Not Archive
At 03:26 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
>For whatever it's worth, I've been trying to get in touch with NSI for the
>past 6 weeks regarding replacement of a cast aluminum alternator mounting
>bracket. During routine maintenance some 18 months ago I found that the
>mount was broken, and had it welded professionally at a local shop. Six
>weeks ago when a friend and I were flying on a short cross-country, my
>engine started overheating, and I had to do a forced landing in a soy bean
>field. (Fortunately neither I nor the plane was hurt.) When I removed the
>cowling I found that the mount had broken again at a different site than the
>weld, and this time the alternator had come loose removing tension from the
>belts which also drive the water pump. Since that time I have tried on
>numerous occasions to contact NSI, by e-mail, telephone, and fax. ZERO
>response to all attempts. I have finally given up on them, and taken the
>part to a nearby machine shop to have a replacement part cut from a solid
>aluminum billet for only $500. I have rationalized this by telling myself
>that this approach would probably be far superior to using another cast
>mount. What I am unable to understand, however, is how any company trying
>to sell a product to the public can hope to survive by acting in such an
>irresponsible manner. I am posting this message so that anyone considering
>using an NSI product will be forewarned.
>
>Clem Nichols
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:engines
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> >
> > I have a Classic 4 with NSI EA81 and CAP prop. I can hit 1000 fpm at
> > gross.
> > But it may be the prop that makes the difference.
> >
> > SteveZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > AMuller589@aol.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:engines
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
> >
> > Does anyone have a Kitfox with Subaru engine. We have a Series V with 2.2
> > liter Eggenfellner Subaru and would like to compare performance figures
> > with
> >
> > someone. We are seeing 300-400 fpm climbs with two 200 pounders and 26 gal
> > fuel.
> > It looks like the floatplane foxes are out-climbing us. We have a two
> > bladed
> > IVO ground adjustable prop and none of the blade angles give more than
> > 400fpm. It does have Tundra tires and tailwheel. t.o. distance is 380 ft
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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