---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/13/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:02 AM - Re: kitfox 2 wheel pants (Lowell Fitt) 2. 08:29 AM - Re: kitfox 2 wheel pants (John Perry) 3. 08:31 AM - Re: 912 Plugs (Paul Peerenboom) 4. 08:41 AM - Re: MATCO mfg web sight (Lynn Matteson) 5. 08:55 AM - Re: kitfox 2 wheel pants (Lynn Matteson) 6. 08:56 AM - Re: MATCO mfg web sight (Paul Peerenboom) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: Wheel pants and sight gauges (PWilson) 8. 09:46 AM - Re: Don't underestimate two strokes... (Michael Gibbs) 9. 12:11 PM - (No subject header) () 10. 12:50 PM - Re: sight gauges (John Stoner) 11. 12:55 PM - Rib Stitching (Gayle & Bud) 12. 02:09 PM - Fiberglass tank installation (John Bergen) 13. 02:15 PM - Sensor Gap (Donna and Roger McConnell) 14. 02:57 PM - Fly in at PYM Sunday (Jay Fabian) 15. 03:52 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (ron schick) 16. 04:29 PM - Re: Fiberglass tank installation (Gayle & Bud) 17. 04:36 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Bruce Harrington) 18. 04:43 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Lowell Fitt) 19. 04:58 PM - Re: Sensor Gap (John King) 20. 08:57 PM - pell city run (Dennis Kerr) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:26 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox 2 wheel pants --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi, John, I haven't done it, but have mentally explored the installation of a fairing aft of the wheel like I see sometimes on AirCoupes. In my plans, when I was building, it called for drilling the axle for weight reduction. If you drilled and tapped the end of the axle, you could use that as an ancher point. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Perry" Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox 2 wheel pants > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" > > Hey have any of you put wheel pants on the 8 inch rims and 20x7x8 tundra > tires . i just bough a set of MF-9 wheel pants form acs and now have to > figure out how to support them on the landing gear . I have the stock > bungee > gear . Main problem I have is supporting on the outside . > thanks for any thoughts . > > John in sw wind blowin no water flatland Kansas. > goin to flyin tomorrow at a farm field SN12 in kansas. > > Fly safe fly low fly slow > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:53 AM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox 2 wheel pants --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" i thought of that but then again with these hubs for the 8 inch rims we have the grease cap to contend with. HMMM think ill get some bar stock aluminum and chuck them up in the lathe and tap the ends and make new cap/nut /faring thingy's kinda like cessna and others do for the fairing. I can press in a seal that will ride in the hub and on the new nut face for the fairing . Take care fly safe fly low fly slow Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi, John, I haven't done it, but have mentally explored the installation of a fairing aft of the wheel like I see sometimes on AirCoupes. In my plans, when I was building, it called for drilling the axle for weight reduction. If you drilled and tapped the end of the axle, you could use that as an ancher point. Lowell ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:32 AM PST US From: "Paul Peerenboom" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Plugs --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" I'm checking with the supplier now on the non solid ends. The 912 has NGK cap that use just the end of the plug with out the additional end. I 'm about due for new wires has any one switch to wires on a 912UL to non resister caps or even custom wires like ACCEL or Bosch??? Paul N102DG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Plugs > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > > Hi ! Paul, I have a 582 and use different plugs. I do use NGK Iridium > though. Normally a plug comes in screw on terminal and only fixed when > marked solid on the box as yours is. I would expect that no supplier > should > supply solid unless asked to do so. You can go online to one of the plug > suppliers like sparkplugs.com and search for your plug, when you find it > you > may well be given 2 prices. Checking further as in starting to place the > order you will probably find the different prices is due to screw on and > solid. If both are listed you then know you can get your plug either way. > A point about the screw on is that it can come undone so if using a push > on cap solid is better. > Another point is the box says do not adjust the gap. Well Don Smythe was > asking me the other day about this. I had a set of Iridium plugs I had > pulled out after 20 hours and I cleaned them and set the gaps. I then put > them back in and they are excellent. I feel adjusting the gap is OK but do > not put any pressure at all on the fine iridium centre electrode when > adjusting or measuring the gap. > I am very pleased with the iridium plugs. They do work better then the > standard ones. I think when you get yours in you won't regret the > decision. > I am not familiar with the 912 but why not use push on caps to suit the > plugs you have ? Note you have resistor plugs [ this is the "R" in the > type > number ] so you should use non resistor caps. As a matter of fact I don't > thing at this point in time you will find non resistor Iridium plugs but > if > you want check for yourself. > > Rex Shaw. > rexjan@bigpond.com > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MATCO mfg web sight From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Thank, Paul... appreciate it. Lynn do not archive On Friday, August 12, 2005, at 04:16 PM, Paul Peerenboom wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" > > > Here is the link to Matco for all there items if anyone was looking. > > Paul N102DG > > > http://www.matcomfg.com/ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox 2 wheel pants From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson I drilled a 9/16" hole through my grease cup, allowing the 1/2" dia. tube (which holds the outer support nut) to pass through. To keep grease from leaking, I cut a 1/2" hole in a 1/2" thick felt seal and put it inside the grease cup. It is held in place between the end of the axle and the cup itself. I did this on my Grove gear, but the same could be done for the bungee gear. Lynn On Saturday, August 13, 2005, at 11:29 AM, John Perry wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" > > i thought of that but then again with these hubs for the 8 inch rims > we > have the grease cap to contend with. HMMM think ill get some bar stock > aluminum and chuck them up in the lathe and tap the ends and make new > cap/nut /faring thingy's kinda like cessna and others do for the > fairing. I > can press in a seal that will ride in the hub and on the new nut face > for > the fairing . > > Take care fly safe fly low fly slow . > John > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Lowell Fitt > Date: 08/13/05 08:42:13 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox 2 wheel pants > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > Hi, John, > > I haven't done it, but have mentally explored the installation of a > fairing > aft of the wheel like I see sometimes on AirCoupes. In my plans, when > I was > building, it called for drilling the axle for weight reduction. If you > drilled and tapped the end of the axle, you could use that as an ancher > point. > > Lowell > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:21 AM PST US From: "Paul Peerenboom" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MATCO mfg web sight --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" An update on Matco. I opened the package on pads to install and one had a flaw. I called Matco explained the flaw they asked if I was AOG and said they would send out right away a new pad. (with all the problems people have had with MFG lately I wanted to pass this along) Also on the web sight in Matco service bulletins is the swift line program I mention on getting a set of pre riveted pads along with other information. Paul N102DG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MATCO mfg web sight > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Thank, Paul... appreciate it. > > Lynn > do not archive > On Friday, August 12, 2005, at 04:16 PM, Paul Peerenboom wrote: > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" >> >> >> Here is the link to Matco for all there items if anyone was looking. >> >> Paul N102DG >> >> >> http://www.matcomfg.com/ >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:44 AM PST US From: PWilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel pants and sight gauges --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson 1) Skystar and Murle Williams sell the pants. Paul ======== At 02:39 PM 8/12/2005, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" > >Two questions for the list--1) I am looking for wheel pants for my >Series 5 with cleaveland wheels and grove gear. If anyone has some >for sale contact me at airlina@usadatanet.net and 2) I use yellow >3/8'' tygon tube for my fuel tank sight gauges and find it difficult >during certain lighting conditions to see the fuel level in the >tube. I would like to add a floating ball of some sort in the tube >(like Pipers use) but have been unable so far to find something that >floats and is avgas proof. Any ideas? Thanks Bruce Lina > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:46 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Don't underestimate two strokes... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs Alright, enough of this two-stroke love fest :-) >Its a real kick in my KF 2 solo ... I taped a TO ..a bit over 3 seconds... >509 #, 950# gross wt. means 441# of fuel & passangers >1200-1400 fpm climb solo, over 1000 fpm w/passanger >80 mph cruise @ 5800 rpm >3.5 gal./hr. @ 5800 rpm Performance is engineered. My Model IV-1200 Speedster came in at: 660 lbs empty, 1232 lbs max gross, 572 lbs for fuel & pax 1200-1400 fpm climb solo, over 1000 fpm w/pax With my in-flight adjustable Ivo prop I could cruise at 85 mph all day at 3.5 gph -- OR -- I could crank in the throttle and cruise at 125 - 130 mph at 5.5 gph I could easily get off the ground in Phoenix, on a 95F+ day, in 120 feet after a 3 second ground roll (solo). Last but not least, except for routine oil changes and such, I wouldn't have to touch that engine for 1800 hours! Two-strokers aren't the only ones having fun out there :-) Mike G. N728KF ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:51 PM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: (No subject header) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: We also sell the fuel sight tubing.. we also have the placards as well. John McBean www.sportplanellc.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:37 PM PST US From: "John Stoner" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: sight gauges --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" The sight gauge balls can be bought from FletchAir: http://www.fletchair.com/index.asp Part # F113, $3.29 each. On my KitFox I put a red nozzle tube from a WD40 can inside each sight gauge tube. The different refractive indices of the sight gauge tube with and without fuel causes the red tube to have a 'joggle' in its appearance at the fuel level. Has worked great for 13 years, cost = 0. Regards, John Stoner KF III, 582 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:57 PM PST US From: "Gayle & Bud" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rib Stitching --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gayle & Bud" I am building a Kitfox IV. Eons ago when I covered the wings, I did not rib stitch, instead just glued fabric to ribs. Now with a larger engine (Subaru), I'm concerned about the fabric coming loose and ballooning. Since the wings are painted with Aerothane, it will probably mean stripping the fabric off and starting over. Any opinions? Thanks Bud Popken ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:01 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass tank installation From: "John Bergen" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Bergen" I'm installing fiberglass tanks in a series three that used to have aluminum tanks. Skystar was kind enough to send me most of the parts to install but no instructions. They have also proven to be impossible to contact on the issue. I have two tanks, some plumbing, two tubes of sealant and a handful of stainless pop rivets. Each tank has three holes on the inboard sides. Anyone able to help me decipher how to install them and what the extra holes on the inboard sides of the tank are for? I'm guessing sight gage. Thanks in advance. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:12 PM PST US From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sensor Gap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" Can someone tell me, what is the correct gap between the magnetic sensor and the pickup on the flywheel on a Rotax 912S for the engine tach? I think I read somewhere .018. Is this correct? Thanks Roger Mac N619RM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:33 PM PST US From: "Jay Fabian" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fly in at PYM Sunday --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" Hi List, OPEN INVITATION TO ALL! EAA UL-62 chapter at Plymouth Mass (PYM). Will be having its annual Fly-in Barbeque on Sunday , August 14th. Start Time is 11 am. At the helicopter hanger in the middle of the airport. The Theme plane is the RV series, but We have had the Kitfox featured a few years ago too. We have 7 Kitfoxes in our chapter alone. Special Guest is : John McBean , Formally of Skystar. Sirloin Burgers ( The kind without the bone chunks in it), Hot Dogs, and more..... GPS Raffle. I know there are many kitfoxes in the area, so come on over. . Hope to see you there, Jay Fabian , Editor EAA UL-62 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:57 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rib Stitching --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" Bud I don't know if it is a good option, but I aquired a kitfox that had very small wood screws every 3-4 inches instead of rib stiching. I am recovering as well as every other thing and plan on ribstitching. Check with Skystar to see if that is a factory option. Ron NB Or. >From: "Gayle & Bud" >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Rib Stitching >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:55:34 -0500 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gayle & Bud" > >I am building a Kitfox IV. Eons ago when I covered the wings, I did not rib >stitch, instead just glued fabric to ribs. Now with a larger engine >(Subaru), I'm concerned about the fabric coming loose and ballooning. Since >the wings are painted with Aerothane, it will probably mean stripping the >fabric off and starting over. Any opinions? > >Thanks > >Bud Popken > > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:43 PM PST US From: "Gayle & Bud" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass tank installation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gayle & Bud" If it's like a series IV, one tank should have 4 holes 1 for vent (most fwd), 2 for sight gage line, and 1 for fuel feed. Other tank has no vent. I do have a series IV installation manual for fiberglass tanks, possibly also the manual for series III but they are at my hangar in Idaho. I will be going there in early Sept so if you haven't gotten any help by then, I will be glad to send a copy. Bud Popken -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Bergen Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass tank installation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Bergen" I'm installing fiberglass tanks in a series three that used to have aluminum tanks. Skystar was kind enough to send me most of the parts to install but no instructions. They have also proven to be impossible to contact on the issue. I have two tanks, some plumbing, two tubes of sealant and a handful of stainless pop rivets. Each tank has three holes on the inboard sides. Anyone able to help me decipher how to install them and what the extra holes on the inboard sides of the tank are for? I'm guessing sight gage. Thanks in advance. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:31 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rib Stitching --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Bud, Back when I built N194KF IV-1200, the info was that rib stitching was needed if the max speed was over 140mph. Since your VNE is something like 125mph, I wouldn't worry. Do to liability issues, you'll probably get advice to rib stitch from SkyStar or PolyFiber. I put 800 hours on my fox, and fabric is still in great shape. Cheers, bh ex-N194KF > I am building a Kitfox IV. Eons ago when I covered the wings, I did not > rib > stitch, instead just glued fabric to ribs. Now with a larger engine > (Subaru), I'm concerned about the fabric coming loose and ballooning. > Since > the wings are painted with Aerothane, it will probably mean stripping the > fabric off and starting over. Any opinions? > > Thanks > > Bud Popken ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:23 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rib Stitching --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Bud, Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. I did rib stitch, but did so out of the belt and suspenders thing and it was a topic of conversation on the list at the time. Sometimes I think we do things because others are doing it with no better reason than that. There are a whole bunch of Kitfoxes out there not rib stitched and I have never heard of an issue with fabric coming loose from the cap strips on any Kitfox. Bubbling up form the wing thanks, yes, but not from a capstrip. I doubt that the SUB will make any difference. I think experience has it that the Subaru has a power output that is average for the airplane and you will be operatiing within the weight limitations specified by SS so there is really nothing new to worry about - my opinion for what it's worth. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gayle & Bud" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rib Stitching > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gayle & Bud" > > I am building a Kitfox IV. Eons ago when I covered the wings, I did not > rib > stitch, instead just glued fabric to ribs. Now with a larger engine > (Subaru), I'm concerned about the fabric coming loose and ballooning. > Since > the wings are painted with Aerothane, it will probably mean stripping the > fabric off and starting over. Any opinions? > > Thanks > > Bud Popken > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:41 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sensor Gap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Roger, I thought it was .017", but call Lockwood to be sure. -- John King Warrenton, VA Donna and Roger McConnell wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" > >Can someone tell me, what is the correct gap between the magnetic sensor and >the pickup on the flywheel on a Rotax 912S for the engine tach? I think I >read somewhere .018. Is this correct? Thanks > > Roger Mac > > N619RM > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:47 PM PST US From: "Dennis Kerr" Subject: Kitfox-List: pell city run --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dennis Kerr" What happened to pell city run video? Did I loose it somewhere? Would like to see it again. Dennis. Dennis C. Kerr Bend, Or. 541-382-3457 dck44@bendbroadband.com