---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/17/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:29 AM - SV: SV: Re: sight gauges (Michel Verheughe) 2. 01:22 AM - Re: Mike do you have a 912 () 3. 04:26 AM - Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement (kitfoxjunky) 4. 07:14 AM - Re: SV: Re: sight gauges (Lowell Fitt) 5. 07:26 AM - Re: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement (Paul Seehafer) 6. 08:34 AM - Suggestions for Cracked Sight Gauge Re: SV: Re: (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com) 7. 09:42 AM - Re: fuel sight (jdmcbean) 8. 10:11 AM - Re: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement (jdmcbean) 9. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: fuel sight (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com) 10. 11:37 AM - Sight guage (Aerobatics@aol.com) 11. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: fuel sight (Jimmie Blackwell) 12. 12:01 PM - Re: SV: Re: sight gauges (Michel Verheughe) 13. 12:02 PM - Re: Sight guage (jdmcbean) 14. 12:32 PM - Re: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement (kitfoxjunky) 15. 04:27 PM - Re: Mike do you have a 912 (randy bortree) 16. 05:09 PM - Re: SV: SV: Re: sight gauges (James Shumaker) 17. 05:26 PM - Re: Mike do you have a 912 (Dee Young) 18. 07:59 PM - Re: Mike do you have a 912 (John Perry) 19. 08:00 PM - Re: Mike do you have a 912 (John Perry) 20. 10:34 PM - Re Landing gear bungy cords. (ROBERT E SIMON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:00 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sight gauges --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: James Shumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net] > The WD40 spout in the tube sounds like a great idea. Thanks Jim but that's exactly what I don't understand. I even went to: http://www.hints-n-tips.com/wd40.htm but couldn't find what a "WD40 spout" is. I could understand a small and light plastic ball, tough, that would float on the top of the fuel. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:32 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mike do you have a 912 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike, Does the slipper clutch help on start up and shut down. And what is the prop length on the IVO. Thanks Gary Henderson Model IV speedster 912 ul On Tue Aug 16 19:43 , Michael Gibbs sent: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs MichaelGibbs@cox.net> > >Hi Robert, > >Engine: Rotax 912 ULS with slipper clutch >Prop: Ivo medium (3 blade) in-flight adjustable >Airframe: Kitfox Model IV-1200 Speedster custom welded for tricycle gear >Wings: Clipped to Speedster length (29' span) > > >>Mike do you have a Rotax 912 on your plane? >> >>Robert >> >>Performance is engineered. My Model IV-1200 Speedster came in at... > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:35 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement Serialize complete at 08/17/2005 07:25:01 AM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky After going through the carb sync on my 912, I have begun to question the throttle linkage setup. I helped a friend balance this 912S on a RAN Courier. His linkage had a single cable going into the engine compartment, that connected up to two cables that went to each of the carbs. The Kitfox IV has a single cable from the throttle to a 18" long tube behind the instrument panel with two control horns on the end that have the cables that go into the engine compartment to the carbs. I found the tube and horn arrangement could flex in torsion..making it difficult to set the carbs. The linkage in the RANS seemed much more precise. Has anyone found the same thing, and perhaps replaced the throttle linkage setup? Gary Walsh C-GOOT Kitfox IV 912S www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:15 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sight gauges --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Michel, Sorry no one has answered. Some aerosol lubricants have a small red tube that fits into the nozzle on the can. It helps feed the lubricant to the target area. It is just a small chemical resistant tube that apparently gives an optical rereference when in the sight gauge. It doesn't float, but the refraction is different with and without fuel. It is a real clever idea and I like clever ideas. I use the Jim Shumaker method - a piece of white paper with diagonal lines on it placed behind the sight gauge. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: SV: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sight gauges > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >> From: James Shumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net] >> The WD40 spout in the tube sounds like a great idea. > > Thanks Jim but that's exactly what I don't understand. I even went to: > > http://www.hints-n-tips.com/wd40.htm > > but couldn't find what a "WD40 spout" is. I could understand a small and > light plastic ball, tough, that would float on the top of the fuel. > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:44 AM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" Gary, I believe John McBean at http://www.sportplanellc.com/ has a replacement throttle cable set up available like the one you are describing. John would know things like this, as he is a highly experienced Kitfox pilot, builder, and owner now offering his services to the rest of us. And a great guy to boot! Incidentally, I was flying a friends Rans S-7 912s amphib this weekend (gave over 20 rides)at a fly in. Really a nice airplane. Cruises at 95-100 mph at 5200 rpm on amphibs with a warp drive ground adjustable prop and czech floats. Stalls in the mid 30's. Doesn't climb as well as a fox, and flies a little more cub-like than a kitfox, but none the less a good flyer. Had zero trouble taking any size passenger we could stuff in it (I know I had a at least a couple 275 pounders throughout the day). Downside, no foldings wings, and not real good useful load. But a lot of what Rans did with things is good for us Kitfoxers to check out for ideas. One idea that comes to mind is the cabin heat. They don't even bother with all the weight and complexity of a heater core and fan under the panel. They just use heat muffs off the exhaust. Last winter I flew this same airplane and the heat was just fine. So I think I'm going to remove my heavy heater core and install a much lighter and more effective heat muff type heater on my IV this fall. The Rans also has a very nice smooth operating choke control. Just a pull knob on the panel (that pulled very easy). It worked so much easier and smoother than the one on my fox. Not sure why, but I will say the cable itself looks like it is a little more durable and more precisely manufactured compared to mine. Always good to steal good ideas from others you know. That's what homebuilts are all about... Paul Seehafer ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxjunky" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > > After going through the carb sync on my 912, I have begun to question the > throttle linkage setup. I helped a friend balance this 912S on a RAN > Courier. His linkage had a single cable going into the engine > compartment, that connected up to two cables that went to each of the > carbs. The Kitfox IV has a single cable from the throttle to a 18" long > tube behind the instrument panel with two control horns on the end that > have the cables that go into the engine compartment to the carbs. I found > the tube and horn arrangement could flex in torsion..making it difficult > to set the carbs. The linkage in the RANS seemed much more precise. Has > anyone found the same thing, and perhaps replaced the throttle linkage > setup? > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > Kitfox IV 912S > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:20 AM PST US From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: From: "Harris, Robert" sigh t gauges Subject: Suggestions for Cracked Sight Gauge RE: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sigh t gauges Does John McBean or anyone else sell replacement sight gauges that are compatible with the existing male threaded studs in my fiberglass tank? On my fiberglass tanks I have the original hard plastic sight gauges that screw on using O-rings. I want to replace them however the male threaded stud has been attached with 3M structural adhesive. I'd prefer to buy replacement rather than to fabricate my own. Can I use copper or brass tubing as nipple coming out of the tank with Tygon between the two nipples? What have others done? Robert ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:27 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: fuel sight --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Robert, Yes, I sell a kit that replaces the entire fuel sight gauge. Tubes and all. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Subject: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: From: "Harris, Robert" sigh t gauges Subject: Suggestions for Cracked Sight Gauge RE: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sigh t gauges Does John McBean or anyone else sell replacement sight gauges that are compatible with the existing male threaded studs in my fiberglass tank? On my fiberglass tanks I have the original hard plastic sight gauges that screw on using O-rings. I want to replace them however the male threaded stud has been attached with 3M structural adhesive. I'd prefer to buy replacement rather than to fabricate my own. Can I use copper or brass tubing as nipple coming out of the tank with Tygon between the two nipples? What have others done? Robert ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:51 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Gary, The split lead cable that I offer does not require the linkage at all. It is actually one control that operates two cables.. one for each carb. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky After going through the carb sync on my 912, I have begun to question the throttle linkage setup. I helped a friend balance this 912S on a RAN Courier. His linkage had a single cable going into the engine compartment, that connected up to two cables that went to each of the carbs. The Kitfox IV has a single cable from the throttle to a 18" long tube behind the instrument panel with two control horns on the end that have the cables that go into the engine compartment to the carbs. I found the tube and horn arrangement could flex in torsion..making it difficult to set the carbs. The linkage in the RANS seemed much more precise. Has anyone found the same thing, and perhaps replaced the throttle linkage setup? Gary Walsh C-GOOT Kitfox IV 912S www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:20 AM PST US From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: fuel sight Great. I'll contact you off line. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: fuel sight --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Robert, Yes, I sell a kit that replaces the entire fuel sight gauge. Tubes and all. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Subject: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: From: "Harris, Robert" sigh t gauges Subject: Suggestions for Cracked Sight Gauge RE: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sigh t gauges Does John McBean or anyone else sell replacement sight gauges that are compatible with the existing male threaded studs in my fiberglass tank? On my fiberglass tanks I have the original hard plastic sight gauges that screw on using O-rings. I want to replace them however the male threaded stud has been attached with 3M structural adhesive. I'd prefer to buy replacement rather than to fabricate my own. Can I use copper or brass tubing as nipple coming out of the tank with Tygon between the two nipples? What have others done? Robert ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:34 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight guage --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:25:51 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com writes: Yes, I sell a kit that replaces the entire fuel sight gauge. Tubes and all. I have a KF 2 with a 6 gallon tank in each wing....... airplane is build and flying can this kit be added to a finishe airplane? Thanks Dave ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:36 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: fuel sight --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" I have the sight gauges that John McBean sells and they are easy to install and work great. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: fuel sight > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > > Robert, > Yes, I sell a kit that replaces the entire fuel sight gauge. Tubes and > all. > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > www.sportplanellc.com > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] > Subject: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > > From: "Harris, Robert" > To: "'kitfox-list@matronics.com'" > sigh t gauges > Subject: Suggestions for Cracked Sight Gauge RE: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: > sigh t gauges > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:33:18 -0700 > > Does John McBean or anyone else sell replacement sight gauges that are > compatible with the existing male threaded studs in my fiberglass tank? > > On my fiberglass tanks I have the original hard plastic sight gauges that > screw on using O-rings. I want to replace them however the male threaded > stud has been attached with 3M structural adhesive. > > I'd prefer to buy replacement rather than to fabricate my own. Can I use > copper or brass tubing as nipple coming out of the tank with Tygon between > the two nipples? What have others done? > Robert > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:08 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sight gauges --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Thank you, Lowell. I understand now. Cheers, Michel Do not archive Lowell Fitt wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > Michel, > > Sorry no one has answered. Some aerosol lubricants have a small red tube > that fits into the nozzle on the can. It helps feed the lubricant to the > target area. It is just a small chemical resistant tube that apparently > gives an optical rereference when in the sight gauge. It doesn't float, but > the refraction is different with and without fuel. It is a real clever idea > and I like clever ideas. I use the Jim Shumaker method - a piece of white > paper with diagonal lines on it placed behind the sight gauge. > > Lowell ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:32 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sight guage --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" I'll contact you off-list... Do not Archive. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight guage --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:25:51 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com writes: Yes, I sell a kit that replaces the entire fuel sight gauge. Tubes and all. I have a KF 2 with a 6 gallon tank in each wing....... airplane is build and flying can this kit be added to a finishe airplane? Thanks Dave ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:54 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement Serialize complete at 08/17/2005 03:31:50 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Sounds the same as the one on the RANS. Once I get a few things done...I will give you a call. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive "jdmcbean" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 08/17/2005 01:11 PM Please respond to kitfox-list To: cc: Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Gary, The split lead cable that I offer does not require the linkage at all. It is actually one control that operates two cables.. one for each carb. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Throttle Linkage Replacement --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky After going through the carb sync on my 912, I have begun to question the throttle linkage setup. I helped a friend balance this 912S on a RAN Courier. His linkage had a single cable going into the engine compartment, that connected up to two cables that went to each of the carbs. The Kitfox IV has a single cable from the throttle to a 18" long tube behind the instrument panel with two control horns on the end that have the cables that go into the engine compartment to the carbs. I found the tube and horn arrangement could flex in torsion..making it difficult to set the carbs. The linkage in the RANS seemed much more precise. Has anyone found the same thing, and perhaps replaced the throttle linkage setup? Gary Walsh C-GOOT Kitfox IV 912S www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:29 PM PST US From: "randy bortree" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mike do you have a 912 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "randy bortree" > Is there any body that can make bungy cords for a Kit Fox 1 > Randy > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:59 PM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: SV: SV: Kitfox-List: Re: sight gauges --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker WD40 is a common solvent in a pressurized spray can. It comes with a plastic straw that is about 2 mm in diameter and 3 inches long that makes it easier to spray the solvent in small areas. The only reason "WD40" is mentioned is that everyone in america instantly recognizes the name and the straw. Any spray can straw could be used. Jim Shumaker ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:42 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mike do you have a 912 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" You can order them made up from SS. Not sure but some of the folks on list may also sell them made up. You can also order the stock from ACS and make them up yourself. Not real difficult to do. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive > Is there any body that can make bungy cords for a Kit Fox 1 > Randy > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:16 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mike do you have a 912 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" 24 bucks a piece from SKYSTAR give em a call and them will get them out to you asap . John Perry -------Original Message------- From: randy bortree Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mike do you have a 912 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "randy bortree" > Is there any body that can make bungy cords for a Kit Fox 1 > Randy > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:41 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mike do you have a 912 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" Only problem is you cannot get the right crimps for the ends unless you spend several thousand for a big hydraulic nicopress. SKYSTAR Will make them up from new rubber and send them right out . John Perry -------Original Message------- From: Dee Young Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mike do you have a 912 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" You can order them made up from SS. Not sure but some of the folks on list may also sell them made up. You can also order the stock from ACS and make them up yourself. Not real difficult to do. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive > Is there any body that can make bungy cords for a Kit Fox 1 > Randy > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:25 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Landing gear bungy cords. From: ROBERT E SIMON --> Kitfox-List message posted by: ROBERT E SIMON Hi folks, I think that it is time to replace the landing gear cords on my model IV. Please advise. Bob Simon