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1. 12:52 AM - SV: Return Springs (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:56 AM - SV: Jabiru engine oil cooler (Michel Verheughe)
3. 01:06 AM - SV: Kitfox incidents / accidents (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:31 AM - Re: Return Springs (Colin Chan)
5. 04:15 AM - Re: SV: Jabiru engine oil cooler (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:54 AM - Jabiru engine oil cooler (Jose M. Toro)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: Return Springs (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:04 AM - Re: New Rotax 912 Installation Video (Todd Lesh)
9. 07:14 AM - in flight Elevator trim (Gill Levesque)
10. 07:22 AM - Re: Jabiru engine oil cooler (Lynn Matteson)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: Rib StitchingRib Stitching (John Larsen)
12. 08:33 AM - Re: New Rotax 912 Installation Video (Joel Mapes)
13. 08:35 AM - Re: Fw: M4-912 overheating (kitfoxjunky)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: SV: Return Springs (skyflyte@comcast.net)
15. 08:37 AM - Re: New Rotax 912 Installation Video (kitfoxjunky)
16. 08:49 AM - Blind Encoder for Sale (Crosley, Rich)
17. 09:12 AM - Thanks for visiting us! (EMAproducts@aol.com)
18. 09:48 AM - Re: Blind Encoder for Sale (Rick)
19. 12:12 PM - Re: Fw: M4-912 overheating (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer)
20. 12:58 PM - Re: Jabiru engine oil cooler (Michel Verheughe)
21. 03:33 PM - Re: Jabiru engine oil cooler (Lynn Matteson)
22. 03:58 PM - Re: in flight Elevator trim (Cudnohufsky's)
23. 04:39 PM - Re: Return Springs (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
24. 04:43 PM - Re: New Rotax 912 Installation VideoNew Rotax 912 Installation Video (Rex & Jan Shaw)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Jim Corner [jcorner@shaw.ca]
> The return springs only job as I see it is to keep the cables taught.....
Indeed, Jim. What I don't understand is why no one is using say, stainless steel
rods that would remove the need for return springs. After all, it is a rod that
I have for my throttle and carb heater controls. The rudder wires run pretty
straight, don't they?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Jabiru engine oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Lynn,
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> I'm using the Skyfox cowl, and there doesn't seem to be room
> under the front slope of the oil pan to mount the cooler and still
> clear the lower cowl.
I installed my oil cooler not under and alongside, as Jabiru does, but in front
and across. I am not sure your Skyfox cowl will allow that, though. I made my
own cowling and, while it is not yet very pretty (working on it!) it works very
well and keeps the CHT and oil at the right temperature. I can send you photos
by private email, if you want.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Kitfox incidents / accidents |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Lowell Fitt [lcfitt@sbcglobal.net]
<SNIP>
> and so few accidents, I think speaks to our mutual heads ups from time to
time.
Very well said, Lowell. I owe much to this list. Knowing that you are there to
answer each and every of my minute worries, makes my novice aviation debut a greater
pleasure and a safer experience.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Return Springs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Chan" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Jim,
I spent may years flying gliders, all of which had cable controlled
rudders, and none of which had return springs fitted. I often flew a
Blanik, a Czech built aluminium glider, which has a wingspan of more than
50ft and a length of about 35ft, and a very big rudder. This aircraft too,
uses cables and no return springs, and in more than 20 yrs flying it, it
never had a rudder cable failure, and I never saw any need for springs. I
can't recall any of the power aircaft that I have flown having such
springs.
Personally, I consider that return springs would ,in fact, be quite
dangerous given that if one failed (as per Murphy's Law - it's bound to be
at the most inappropriate time)you would suddenly find yourself pointed in
a direction you didn't really want to be.
Regards
Colin Durey
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
>
> The article in question is on page 78 of Sport Aviation not Sport Pilot.
>
> I have to agree with the writer that if a one cable or pedal failed
> in the air the aircraft would be difficult to control especially if
> strong return springs are used.
> Also the rudder pedal weld failures that have been reported would be
> a lot more serious if the failure occurred in the air rather than on
> the ground.
>
> I have removed mine to reduce rudder cable drag on a homebuilt in-
> flight adjustable rudder trim tab. The return springs only job as I
> see it is to keep the cables taught.....
> someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.
>
> Jim Corner
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2005, at 9:48 AM, John King wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> That article does not show up in my July edition, page 78 of Sport
>> Pilot.
>>
>> --
>> John King
>> Warrenton, VA
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Puls wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
>>> <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>> DID ANYONE READ THE ARTICLE ON PAGE 78 OF THE JULY SPORT PILOT? IT
>>> WAS ABOUT THE RUDDER DEFLECTING WHEN A RUDDER CABLE IS BROKEN. THE
>>> AUTHOR THOUGHT THAT RETURN SPRINGS WERE NOT A GOOD IDEA. ANY
>>> THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT? IT MENTIONED A KITFOX. JEFF CLASSIC IV.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Puls
>>> pulsair@mindspring.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Regards
Colin Durey
Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd
+61-418-677073 (M)
+61-2-945466162 (F)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru engine oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hi Michel-
My only concern is to get air to the cooler, and it seems like it would
need to be mounted so that the long dimension is running parallel to
the flow of air. To be honest, I hadn't thought of running it alongside
the engine. I hadn't seen any photos showing that. I'll go give that
some thought.
Thanks for the offer of photos, Michel, I look forward to them.
Lynn
On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 03:56 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello Lynn,
>
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> I'm using the Skyfox cowl, and there doesn't seem to be room
>> under the front slope of the oil pan to mount the cooler and still
>> clear the lower cowl.
>
> I installed my oil cooler not under and alongside, as Jabiru does, but
> in front and across. I am not sure your Skyfox cowl will allow that,
> though. I made my own cowling and, while it is not yet very pretty
> (working on it!) it works very well and keeps the CHT and oil at the
> right temperature. I can send you photos by private email, if you > want.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru engine oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Lynn:
I going through the same process as you, Skyfox
cowl/Jab 2200/KF II, and am stucked with the same
problem. I can think of two alternatives. The first
is to do an horizontal installation as my mentor
Michel did. The second alternative is to mount the
radiator as proposed by Jabiru, and make an opening in
the cowling to have it exposed. I don't know what
would be the advantages and disadvantages in terms of
cooling, air flow, drag, etc. I can tell, however,
that I saw a picture of a Skyfox in the Jabiru
Australia site, and the oil cooler is exposed as I
described. I have also seen pictures (provided by
Michel) of a modified KF cowling used with an
horizontally mounted cooler, and with an horizontal
air intake about three times bigger than the one on
the Skyfox cowling. Would like to know the opinion of
the experts on this. Here in the Caribbean, it is hot
and humid. I want to be educated in order to take the
right decision.
Jose
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Hi Michel-
> My only concern is to get air to the cooler, and it
> seems like it would
> need to be mounted so that the long dimension is
> running parallel to
> the flow of air. To be honest, I hadn't thought of
> running it alongside
> the engine. I hadn't seen any photos showing that.
> I'll go give that
> some thought.
> Thanks for the offer of photos, Michel, I look
> forward to them.
>
> Lynn
> On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 03:56 AM, Michel
> Verheughe wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel
> Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> > Hello Lynn,
> >
> >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> >> I'm using the Skyfox cowl, and there doesn't
> seem to be room
> >> under the front slope of the oil pan to mount the
> cooler and still
> >> clear the lower cowl.
> >
> > I installed my oil cooler not under and alongside,
> as Jabiru does, but
> > in front and across. I am not sure your Skyfox
> cowl will allow that,
> > though. I made my own cowling and, while it is not
> yet very pretty
> > (working on it!) it works very well and keeps the
> CHT and oil at the
> > right temperature. I can send you photos by
> private email, if you > want.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Return Springs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
There was a gentleman form Austria - very helpful with Rotax issues as he
had friends at the factory - that did in fact suffer a rudder cable
failure - at the nylon lined ferrule mid fuselage. The failure occurred in
the landing flare, as I recall, and it resulted in his airplane exiting the
runwayin in a rearward direction and over an embankment toward on to a rocky
breakwater. It destroyed his airplane but the rearward direction of
departure from level ground resulted in no injuries. He participated on the
list for a time after the accident and has since departed the list. I can't
seem to recall his name, but others might.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Chan" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Return Springs
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Chan" <colin@ptclhk.com>
<SNIP>
> Personally, I consider that return springs would ,in fact, be quite
> dangerous given that if one failed (as per Murphy's Law - it's bound to be
> at the most inappropriate time)you would suddenly find yourself pointed in
> a direction you didn't really want to be.
>
> Regards
>
> Colin Durey
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
>>
>> The article in question is on page 78 of Sport Aviation not Sport Pilot.
>>
>> I have to agree with the writer that if a one cable or pedal failed
>> in the air the aircraft would be difficult to control especially if
>> strong return springs are used.
>> Also the rudder pedal weld failures that have been reported would be
>> a lot more serious if the failure occurred in the air rather than on
>> the ground.
>>
>> I have removed mine to reduce rudder cable drag on a homebuilt in-
>> flight adjustable rudder trim tab. The return springs only job as I
>> see it is to keep the cables taught.....
>> someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.
>>
>> Jim Corner
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2005, at 9:48 AM, John King wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> That article does not show up in my July edition, page 78 of Sport
>>> Pilot.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John King
>>> Warrenton, VA
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Puls wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
>>>> <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> DID ANYONE READ THE ARTICLE ON PAGE 78 OF THE JULY SPORT PILOT? IT
>>>> WAS ABOUT THE RUDDER DEFLECTING WHEN A RUDDER CABLE IS BROKEN. THE
>>>> AUTHOR THOUGHT THAT RETURN SPRINGS WERE NOT A GOOD IDEA. ANY
>>>> THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT? IT MENTIONED A KITFOX. JEFF CLASSIC IV.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey Puls
>>>> pulsair@mindspring.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Colin Durey
> Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd
> +61-418-677073 (M)
> +61-2-945466162 (F)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Rotax 912 Installation Video |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Todd Lesh" <theleshfamily@gbronline.com>
I purchased the 912 video and as a first time builder, I thought it was
great. It gave me a good overview of the main items that can cause problems
and made the written installation instructions alot easier to understand. I
am not being paid for this endorsement! Todd
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| Subject: | in flight Elevator trim |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi all,
Does any one out there have a good ,simple design for a cockpit adjustable elevator
trim tab for a model 4.? With all the great minds on this list there must
be some thing!!!
Gil Levesque
Model 4 1050
C-IGVL
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru engine oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the reply, Jose....I'm presently working with the lower
cowl, having positioned it where it needs to be to allow the upper cowl
to clear the engine. Now I'm certain of how much room I have for the
cooler without touching the cowl, and that is not going to happen. I
think I will cut an opening to clear the cooler as it would lay if I
used the "parallel with the crankshaft, up against the slope of the oil
pan" mounting method. I've spent hours trying any other method, and
have come up with nothing. I'd hate to chop a hole in that nice lower
cowl, but what has to be done will be.
In this case I'd just box the hole out around the cooler, but like you
said, maybe leaving it open would help the cooling, especially in your
climate.
Lynn
On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 09:53 AM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn:
>
> I going through the same process as you, Skyfox
> cowl/Jab 2200/KF II, and am stucked with the same
> problem. I can think of two alternatives. The first
> is to do an horizontal installation as my mentor
> Michel did. The second alternative is to mount the
> radiator as proposed by Jabiru, and make an opening in
> the cowling to have it exposed. I don't know what
> would be the advantages and disadvantages in terms of
> cooling, air flow, drag, etc. I can tell, however,
> that I saw a picture of a Skyfox in the Jabiru
> Australia site, and the oil cooler is exposed as I
> described. I have also seen pictures (provided by
> Michel) of a modified KF cowling used with an
> horizontally mounted cooler, and with an horizontal
> air intake about three times bigger than the one on
> the Skyfox cowling. Would like to know the opinion of
> the experts on this. Here in the Caribbean, it is hot
> and humid. I want to be educated in order to take the
> right decision.
>
> Jose
>
> --- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Hi Michel-
>> My only concern is to get air to the cooler, and it
>> seems like it would
>> need to be mounted so that the long dimension is
>> running parallel to
>> the flow of air. To be honest, I hadn't thought of
>> running it alongside
>> the engine. I hadn't seen any photos showing that.
>> I'll go give that
>> some thought.
>> Thanks for the offer of photos, Michel, I look
>> forward to them.
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 03:56 AM, Michel
>> Verheughe wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel
>> Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>>>
>>> Hello Lynn,
>>>
>>>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>>>> I'm using the Skyfox cowl, and there doesn't
>> seem to be room
>>>> under the front slope of the oil pan to mount the
>> cooler and still
>>>> clear the lower cowl.
>>>
>>> I installed my oil cooler not under and alongside,
>> as Jabiru does, but
>>> in front and across. I am not sure your Skyfox
>> cowl will allow that,
>>> though. I made my own cowling and, while it is not
>> yet very pretty
>>> (working on it!) it works very well and keeps the
>> CHT and oil at the
>>> right temperature. I can send you photos by
>> private email, if you > want.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michel
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib StitchingRib Stitching |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Michael;
Even though I promised to remain silent, I think I owe you an
explanation and I deeply appreciate your concerns for safety.
This is my history on the situation about rib stitching. In the 1980's
Poly Fiber was relatively new on the market, and Dean Wilson, who was
quite influential at the time, had used it on one his crop dusters. For
some reason, the finish coat peeled off so he says Poly Fiber is crap,
use Ceconite process instead. Ray Stitts has come out with his video
which implies Poly Fiber is the greatest, Ceconite is dangerous, as the
latter is such a fire hazard. Stitts makes the empirical statement that
all planes should be rib stitched. Both positions were based on fact,
but both contained error. This turned into a chest bumping thing between
the Ceconite fans and the Poly fans which Ron Alexander inherited when
he bought Poly Fiber.
Ploy Fiber's main reason for stating their position was they were in
competition with the Ceconite process and the rib stitching was just
part of their overall spiel. Their tests showed Ploys vinyl based glue
is a lot better at resisting peeling than the nitrate based glues like
SureSeam and this is true. Their and my own tests imply that if you are
not going to rib stitch, use a vinyl based glue. We need not forget that
the aircraft manufacturer states how your plane should have its fabric
retained, not some paint company.
Later Poly Fiber later bought the rights to sell Ceconite as the process
has some advantages, and evidently they no longer had a reason to slam
the process. Since then Ron, has merged with the EAA for his workshops,
and they have moved on to higher ground.
. Once I confronted the Sportair people about no proof of their accident
claims, I was no longer asked to be the engine instructor, but that was
fine with me. At the time I left in 1998 Ron had never built any sort of
kit plane, let alone cover one. Later I heard he had his metal
instructors building him an RV.
A lot of this was ego driven. I don't recall ever hearing from someone
who spent big money for some new replacement engine and then getting on
the list and admitting he made a mistake.
Thanks for your patience.
JML
Michael Gibbs wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
>John sez:
>
>
>
>>If you can't believe me who had no personal gain and a lot of
>>experience here at all, then I doubt you can believe the company
>>salesman.
>>
>>
>
>What interest does Poly-Fiber have in telling you to rib stitch? Do
>they make a lot of money on the stitching needles? I doubt it. Does
>it mean you use less of their revenue-generated products to build
>your plane? I doubt it.
>
>If you don't believe what the manufacturer of a product says about
>the use of that product you are living life by your own rules. Why
>believe SkyStar when they tell you your Model IV has a max gross
>weight of 1200 pounds? We all know guys that overdo it, so load it
>up as much as you want! Why believe Rotax when they tell you that
>red line on your 912 is 5800 RPM? I know guys who run their engines
>at 6100 to 6300 all the time, so it must be OK, right?
>
>Having spent half of the last year in a hospital bed and the other
>half learning to walk again I can tell you that no shortcut is worth
>it when it comes to building or flying airplanes.
>
>Mike G.
>N728KF
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Rotax 912 Installation Video |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Brent,
I purchased the video in preperation for the installation on my M5 next
month. It mentions some
points that are not well covered in the Rotax installation manual, including
the demonstration of a
technique to purge the oil lines prior to the first engine start. Since I
had failed to grasp the
importance of purging the lines from the Rotax liturature, that segment
alone made the purchase
price worthwhile.
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs (paint in progress)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: M4-912 overheating |
Serialize complete at 08/22/2005 11:34:16 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Chuck...what does your CHT read? I have an issue too..but it is high CHT
(240 degrees) vs the oil and coolant temps. Dropping the radiator helped a
bit with the CHT. I actually repositioned my oil cooler to get higher
temps...as I was in the 180 degree range..too low to burn off water in the
oil.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer"
<cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
Hello fellow Listers,
I have a M4-1200 with a 912 in it. On climbouts to about 2500 feet the
engine oil temp gets up to about 230 to 235 with the coolant temp about
210 in a 75 degree day. I have an earls .....
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| Subject: | Re: Return Springs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net
The rudder return springs add very little tension to the rudder cables. I think
their main purpose is to keep the peddles in place when your feet are not on
them; without the springs the peddles can flop over on the floor boards. Imagine
flying, and for some reason taking your feet off the rudder peddles, and
having them flopping over leaving you with no rudder control until you can pick
them up manually!
Mike
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-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> > From: Jim Corner [jcorner@shaw.ca]
> > The return springs only job as I see it is to keep the cables taught.....
>
The rudder return springs add very little tension to the rudder cables. I think
their main purpose is to keep the peddles in place when your feet are not on
them; without the springs the peddles can flop over on the floor boards. Imagine
flying, and for some reason taking your feet off the rudder peddles, and having
them flopping over leaving you with no rudder control until you can pick
them up manually!
Mike
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-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO>
From: Jim Corner [jcorner@shaw.ca]
The return springs only job as I see it is to keep the cables taught.....
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| Subject: | Re: New Rotax 912 Installation Video |
Serialize complete at 08/22/2005 11:36:43 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Yes..I bought it. There were several things I did not know. Doing the
sync on the carbs seemed so easy in the video...I did it on mine vs the
manual sync. Really smoothed things out. I think it was worth the money.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Blind Encoder for Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
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| Subject: | Thanks for visiting us! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Just a note to say thanks to all who visited our display of the RiteAngle AOA
system and attended forums @ Arlington & AirVenture this year. It is always
good to see customers face to face, many of you have become good friends over
the last 10 years. To those who are interested in our products we thank you
for your interest and orders.
EM aviation, LLC is a satellite dealer for Sportair-USA and will be handling
Woodcomp propellers, Galaxy Ballistic Parachute Rescue Systems, and the line
of aircraft that Sportair-USA handles. The Woodcomp props are at present
available for Rotax engines 80-115 HP, in ground adjustable, in flight manually
adjustable, and electronic adjustable. The electronic adjustable prop is
available with reversing for the amphibians and full feathering for the powered
sailplanes. Please contact me directly for info, our website will be updated in
future to show these and other fine products we are handling.
Thanks again for stopping by our display, if you still have questions please
let me know via e-mail!
Sincerely,
Elbie Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Blind Encoder for Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Says its removed by e-bayer and no longer available.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Crosley,
Rich
Subject: Kitfox-List: Blind Encoder for Sale
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<RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: M4-912 overheating |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
Gary, CHT are also running high, don't remember number exactly but runs
about 90% of CHT range on a Westach quad guage. I'm out for about 2 weeks,
will get back with more accurate info when I return.
Thanks, Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: M4-912 overheating
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> Chuck...what does your CHT read? I have an issue too..but it is high CHT
> (240 degrees) vs the oil and coolant temps. Dropping the radiator helped a
> bit with the CHT. I actually repositioned my oil cooler to get higher
> temps...as I was in the 180 degree range..too low to burn off water in the
> oil.
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer"
> <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
>
>
> Hello fellow Listers,
> I have a M4-1200 with a 912 in it. On climbouts to about 2500 feet the
> engine oil temp gets up to about 230 to 235 with the coolant temp about
> 210 in a 75 degree day. I have an earls .....
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru engine oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> In this case I'd just box the hole out around the cooler, but like you
> said, maybe leaving it open would help the cooling, especially in your
> climate.
Well, Lynn and Jose, there was a web page at Jabiru, Australia, explaining that
the lower hole for the cooler should be as small as possible. Unfortunately it
looks like they have changed their layout and I can't find again that page. But
it showed "bad" installations, saying that those guys had problems with much
too high CHT.
The idea is this: Have a high pressure on the top of the cowling, and a low
pressure at the bottom. If the hole at the bottom is too big, it is impossible
to create a low pressure there.
Then comes the other idea: How to cool enough the cooler with the smallest
hole? Without being an expert, it seems to me that all the air that gets in
that hole should be forced to pass through the fins of the cooler, right? Then
it seems to make sense to have the cooler as close as possible to the hole.
Which is what I did. It works for me. Even in the hottest day of the summer
(35C, while in Belgium) I had a long climb and the CHT never exceeded 120C
and the oil stayed at 90C.
If I was to fly e.g. in Puerto Rico, I would would improve my actual
installation with a rubber sleeve between the hole and the cooler, making sure
not one molecule of air can pass on the side of it.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru engine oil cooler |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I saw the "bad installation" on the Jabiru USA site, Michel, showing
the very large hole that exposed the slope-mounted oil cooler, I think
it was.
I'm waiting for a return call from the dealer, but getting rather
impatient, because I can't go forward with anything until this is
resolved. I thought that after I waited all this time for the engine,
that I could forge ahead, but I'm forging backwards, it seems.
Lynn
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On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 03:53 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> In this case I'd just box the hole out around the cooler, but like you
>> said, maybe leaving it open would help the cooling, especially in your
>> climate.
>
> Well, Lynn and Jose, there was a web page at Jabiru, Australia,
> explaining that
> the lower hole for the cooler should be as small as possible.
> Unfortunately it
> looks like they have changed their layout and I can't find again that
> page. But
> it showed "bad" installations, saying that those guys had problems
> with much
> too high CHT.
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| Subject: | Re: in flight Elevator trim |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Gil,
I'll bite, I wanted to add a trim tab after I had already completed the
build on my Model IV. I made it out of a piece of aluminum about .060 x 3.5"
x 20" then riveted an aluminum piano hinge on and then riveted to the
trailing edge of the left side elevator aft tube. I made a standoff on the
tab to mount a cable to, running it under the elevator and through the
fuselage fairing for the horizontal stab, I then used a push pull cable like
used on a lawn mower that I purchased in bulk from a hardware store. Then
made a small lever from aluminum that was mounted just in front of my flap
handle on the fuselage support structure. It was simple, quick and cheap but
most of all very effective. (Didn't look to bad either) Could easily set for
level flight and once finding the best setting for landing, I could set by
feeling it's location in reference to the mounting hardware so I never had
to look at it.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: in flight Elevator trim
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does any one out there have a good ,simple design for a cockpit
> adjustable elevator trim tab for a model 4.? With all the great minds on
> this list there must be some thing!!!
>
> Gil Levesque
> Model 4 1050
> C-IGVL
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Return Springs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
The fellow from Austria is Johannes Cernen (spelling not correct). His
rudder pedal failure was due to a broken strand of cable that frayed/bound over
time at the bushing mentioned and finally let go when he needed it most. It
was a model IV. Great fellow on the list. He decided that time/finances were
not right for him to rebuild.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: New Rotax 912 Installation VideoNew Rotax 912 Installation |
Video
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I bought the two-stroke DVD's and thought they were worthwhile although
perhaps more info could have been supplied for the dollars. What they did
was supply a DVD each for air cooled and water cooled in the one deal
assumedly to offer better value for the money but this was rather pointless
as you only need the one applicable to yourself. Not much can be gained by
viewing the other. However as I said I thought it was worthwhile and what
there was was well done.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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