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1. 06:35 AM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (JOSE PACHECO)
2. 07:31 AM - NSI running hot ()
3. 08:06 AM - Re: Spinner or Not? (Lowell Fitt)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (Lowell Fitt)
5. 09:36 AM - Throttle cable length (Mdkitfox@AOL.COM)
6. 10:06 AM - Re: Throttle cable length (jdmcbean)
7. 10:51 AM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol Fueling safety (Randy Daughenbaugh)
8. 11:55 AM - Re: Throttle cable length (Mdkitfox@AOL.COM)
9. 11:56 AM - Re: Door LatchesDoor Latches (Michael Gibbs)
10. 12:40 PM - Anniversary WAS Door LatchesDoor Latches (Michel Verheughe)
11. 01:47 PM - Re: NSI running hot (Peter Graichen)
12. 03:48 PM - Re: NSI running hot (Rick)
13. 10:38 PM - Re: NSI running hot (AMuller589@aol.com)
14. 10:38 PM - Re: Spinner or Not?Spinner or Not? (Joel Mapes)
15. 10:38 PM - Re: Anniversary WAS Door LatchesDoor Latches (Lynn Matteson)
16. 10:48 PM - Re: Door Latches (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: JOSE PACHECO <n1915lc23@yahoo.com>
Hi guys
This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years past over
at the aurora
IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was working on using
a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was 5 million in damages
.The hangar and all the aircraft inside were destroyed.The good news was that
no one was seriously hurt.
Joe
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
At 01:38 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
...
>I covered the strap with finishing tape, and proceeded with the
>covering process. All that can be seen is a 1/4" wide by about 1/16"
>high linear "hump". Photos if you'd like...just holler...raw stage or
>painted.
I like this. I'm going to have to do something to connect the filler to the
rear spar. I think you're also supposed to attach a chain to the steel
filler neck to pick up any static in the fuel. Or is it the other way around?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jgh54@netscape.com>
while practicing take off and landing water temp hit near 250. outside air 97 coolant
and oil full, nothing obvious for heat problem. i am new to KF and NSI
E81, any ideas of what to look at
Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner or Not? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
> (PS I've GOT to ask. Just WHAT is that contraption on your wing strut!)
What you see is the fairing for an externally mounted video camera. It has
evolved over the years and is quite complex now, but the basic mount is also
on the Sportflight image database at:
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1024375574
Basically it is a mount that is controlled by a cable connected joystick
with all the camera functions on the joystick and a monitor mounted on the
left door for viewing what the camera sees (barely seen in the photo in its
folded position) A couple of things were added last year - a wiper to
remove bugs from the lens area and an IPOD to capture all the radio traffic
instead of capturing only when the camera is recording. I just finished a
fairing for the monitor so I don't have to worry about losing it while
flying with the doors open.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This is interesting. I have read a couple of reports regarding the Boy
Scouts that were struck by lightning and what they might have done to rediue
risk. I sometimes wonder if the climate has an effect on fueling risk.
Where I am it is rare to find thunder storm activity, the humidity is a bit
higher then the desert South West. We generally don't get a lot of static
build-up when exiting the car or at other times when it is common. Clear
humid air as on the West Coast, I believe is not conducive to static
build-up, but dry air is.
I am curious about the pravailing weather conditions at the time of the
fire.
I generally like to fuel in the cool of the morning for the higher humidity.
Opinions?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOSE PACHECO" <n1915lc23@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JOSE PACHECO <n1915lc23@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys
> This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years past
> over at the aurora
> IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was working
> on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was 5 million in
> damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were destroyed.The good
> news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
> Joe
> Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
>
> At 01:38 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>I covered the strap with finishing tape, and proceeded with the
>>covering process. All that can be seen is a 1/4" wide by about 1/16"
>>high linear "hump". Photos if you'd like...just holler...raw stage or
>>painted.
>
> I like this. I'm going to have to do something to connect the filler to
> the
> rear spar. I think you're also supposed to attach a chain to the steel
> filler neck to pick up any static in the fuel. Or is it the other way
> around?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Throttle cable length |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
My throttle control has 2 different length cables. Does anyone know which
one goes on the left or right?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Throttle cable length |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Rick,
If you look one carb sits a little further forward then the other. One
side of the cable is an inch longer....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mdkitfox@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle cable length
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
My throttle control has 2 different length cables. Does anyone know which
one goes on the left or right?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | wing tanks/ethynol Fueling safety |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Because of the safety implications, I am pasting a prior post on this
subject below. Someone also suggested Downy fabric softener sprayed on the
outside of plastic gas cans. I feel that this is a good idea as well.
It takes time for static charge to dissipate from plastic, so try to contact
the plane and the gas can for a while prior to fueling. I just set the can
on the top of the wing for a while. I do wish I had inlaid some conductive
material as several have described.
Please read below - mine and especially Stering's post.
Randy
Sterling,
That sounds good to me.
I was a research director for a chemical company in Boulder, Colorado.
After having a couple of ignitions and minor fires with alcohol in plastic
tanks, we consulted with all the "experts" we could find and learned that,
"Plastic doesn't conduct well enough to discharge fast enough to make a
spark." This even after we described our fires to them. I suspect that it
had something to do with the single digit humidity we often had in Colorado.
This is not common in most of the country. ('Cept maybe where you are. ;-)
)
I had stainless steel rods installed in all of our tanks. These reached all
the way to the bottom on the tanks and then were grounded in a conventional
manner. We had no more fires.
One difference, the alcohol conducts much better than the gasoline. ???
Thanks for the reminder. I am getting some Downey and a spray bottle.
Randy - in the Beautiful Black Hills and Badlands of South Dakota.
PS. No more bad mouthin' Wall.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sterling
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing out stock fuel fills
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Not that this is specifically Kitfox related, but it addresses the issue I
have with grounding a fiberglass fuel tank in an airplane that isn't made
out of aluminum. I built an Avid Sportster 13 years ago and did some tricks
to keep static from jumping when gassing the airplane... Below is what I
sent to EAA and AOPA about 10 days ago. EAA has not responded and AOPA had
no information to address this issue. But for now, these tips might be of
help...
I'm building a Pietenpol and am curently building my fuel tanks out of
fiberglass. I've been doing some research and it seems that fiberglass (or
any plastic type material) when introduced to friction in the air, absorbs
an electrical charge--especially during winter operations in dry climates as
we have here in the southwest. I'm concerned about static discharge and the
resultant KABOOM that might happen when fueling my wooden airplane.
Grounding a wooden airplane having fiberglass fuel tanks is nearly
impossible. I'd like to bounce my ideas off someone at EAA concerning my
plans to prevent a fire and if someone has a better method than I do, I'd
really appreciate hearing back from EAA.
I was a TV news reporter in El Paso many years ago and I covererd a story
about a man who was burned badly when fueling a go cart after unloading it
from a trailer onto the ground. He had a couple of plastic gas cans he
hauled in the back of his pickup (lined with AstroTurf). The Fire Marshal
(as my old clouded memory recalls) believed that when the man slid his
plastic gas can out of the AstroTurf in the pickup bed, and then attempted
to fuel the gocart, a static spark ignited the vapors. I don't want anything
like this happening to me, after seeing this guy with burns all over his
arms and face.
As I finish the final layer of fiberglass on my fuel tanks, I plan to embed
a copper ground line purchased from Aircraft Spruce into the final layer of
the fiberglass, leading to the aluminum fuel neck that will be bonded into
the fiberglass. The copper line will be run to all three fuel tanks and
will terminate under the fuselage at or near the gear legs, so that I might
have a way to ground the tanks and eliminate the static charge before
introducing a plastic gas can to an aluminum filler neck on my airplane.
Although I know it is a cardinal sin to gas an airplane using plastic gas
cans, but many of us out here in the toolies have to ocassionally refuel
using plastic cans (we have no choice when landing at remote airfields and
fuel isn't available.. (except 10 miles away at a gas station in town...)
An additional step I plan to use when fueling my flamable airplane.... I've
successfully dissipated and prevented static electricity in photographic
labs for many years by mixing Downey Fabric Softener to water at a 50/50
mix, and then spraying carpeted areas in and around the lab. Here in the
Southwest, on a cold-dry winter day, we can darned near arc weld with static
after walking around on a dry surface. Many rolls of photograpic film have
been ruined in dark rooms when spooling film out of cassette. The static can
bee seen on the film after development. The Downey/water method eliminates
the static charge, thus the reason your socks don't cling after coming out
of the dryer when treated with Downey. (Ask any woman who wears nylon
stockings... Downey is a must on man-made textiles.) When fueling my
Cherokee in the boondocks, I've also used my Downy "formula" for spraying
down the surface of the wings, gas caps, my shoes and the area where I stand
when transferring the gas, prior to fueling an airplane with plastic cans.
(The cans are sprayed before fueling as well and allowed a minute or so to
dry... The back of the vehicle is also sprayed before loading/unloading a
plastic can! Try gassing an airplane at the landing strip in/at Wall Drug
Store in South Dakota... ain't gonna happen unless you go into town for
mogas. Also, Custer's Last Stand in Montana... No gas at the field, but a
convenience store 1 mile away having plastic "loaner" cans. That's why I
always carried my small spray bottle of Downy/Water in my airplane.
I'm more concerned about fiberglass gas tanks in my Pietenpol though. I
wonder if there is an additional way to enhance safety when adding gas to a
wooden airplane having fiberglass tanks other than the two methods I have
described above? Obviously it's wise to AVOID using plastic cans for fueling
an airplane, but sometimes we don't have a choice.
Sterling Brooks (EAA 695308)
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch (5TA6, San Antonio
Sectional)
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This is interesting. I have read a couple of reports regarding the Boy
Scouts that were struck by lightning and what they might have done to rediue
risk. I sometimes wonder if the climate has an effect on fueling risk.
Where I am it is rare to find thunder storm activity, the humidity is a bit
higher then the desert South West. We generally don't get a lot of static
build-up when exiting the car or at other times when it is common. Clear
humid air as on the West Coast, I believe is not conducive to static
build-up, but dry air is.
I am curious about the pravailing weather conditions at the time of the
fire.
I generally like to fuel in the cool of the morning for the higher humidity.
Opinions?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOSE PACHECO" <n1915lc23@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: JOSE PACHECO <n1915lc23@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys
> This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years past
> over at the aurora
> IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was working
> on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was 5 million in
> damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were destroyed.The good
> news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
> Joe
> Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
>
> At 01:38 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>I covered the strap with finishing tape, and proceeded with the
>>covering process. All that can be seen is a 1/4" wide by about 1/16"
>>high linear "hump". Photos if you'd like...just holler...raw stage or
>>painted.
>
> I like this. I'm going to have to do something to connect the filler to
> the
> rear spar. I think you're also supposed to attach a chain to the steel
> filler neck to pick up any static in the fuel. Or is it the other way
> around?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cable length |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
John,
Duh! I just saw that a few minutes ago.
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Door LatchesDoor Latches |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Speaking from personal experience, I'm in the habit of going down
with the ship! :-)
Speaking of which, today marks the one year anniversary of my
accident (28-August) and I'm just plane (pun intended) happy to be
here. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
>The reason they are in the front is so you dont get hung up if you
>bail out at high speeds. :)
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Gibbs
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Door Latches
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Guy sez:
>
> >I'd like to put gas struts on the back of the door, even though I
> >notice most put them in front. Does anyone else do this?
>
> I put my previous ones on the back of the door and my next ones are
> going on the back of the door, too.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
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| Subject: | Anniversary WAS Door LatchesDoor Latches |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Michael Gibbs wrote:
> Speaking of which, today marks the one year anniversary of my
> accident (28-August) and I'm just plane (pun intended) happy to be
> here. :-)
And so are we, Mike. Thank you for your positive attitide that has been an
inspiration for all of us.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Is your radiator clean, inside and out.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jgh54@netscape.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jgh54@netscape.com>
while practicing take off and landing water temp hit near 250. outside air
97 coolant and oil full, nothing obvious for heat problem. i am new to KF
and NSI E81, any ideas of what to look at
Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Is it a turbo ? How far back and how far down is the radiator? Have you
considered going to a water free coolant such as Evans? Was this the first
runs after a coolant change, possible air trapped in system. Where are you
located?
Rick EA-81 Turbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
jgh54@netscape.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jgh54@netscape.com>
while practicing take off and landing water temp hit near 250. outside air
97 coolant and oil full, nothing obvious for heat problem. i am new to KF
and NSI E81, any ideas of what to look at
Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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| Subject: | Re: NSI running hot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
we are using a Eggenfellner subaru 2.2 and had overheat problems until we
made a square box in front of the radiator and protruding out about 3 inches on
all sides of the cowling. We also opened up the outlet on the bottom to
about 4 times the inlet total area. Also installed an oil cooler. Now we
occasionally get a two second overheat but instantly goes away for some reason
and
seems to occur only after prolonged descent; may have something to do with the
thermostat delay in opening up. You can view the scoops on
_http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/_ (http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner or Not?Spinner or Not? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Don, That water cooled computer system didn't happen to be an IBM 360 /
370 168 did it?
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: Anniversary WAS Door LatchesDoor Latches |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
And another Jabiru owner seconds that motion, Mike and Michel...
Lynn
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On Sunday, August 28, 2005, at 03:35 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Michael Gibbs wrote:
>> Speaking of which, today marks the one year anniversary of my
>> accident (28-August) and I'm just plane (pun intended) happy to be
>> here. :-)
>
> And so are we, Mike. Thank you for your positive attitide that has
> been an
> inspiration for all of us.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latches |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:08 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
>I had my first set of gas struts on the back of the door but the next set
>went to the front. When I flew with the doors open with rear struts the
>doors did not fly steadily. On the front edge the doors are rock steady.
Thank you Ron. You've just made up my mind.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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