---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/29/05: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:27 AM - Rudder Pedals (Bob Unternaehrer) 2. 07:00 AM - Re: NSI running hot (Lowell Fitt) 3. 07:26 AM - High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl (Harry Tucker) 4. 07:58 AM - Re: NSI running hot (Fox5flyer) 5. 11:17 AM - Painting LexanRe: painting Lp Aero doors (Harris, Robert) 6. 11:23 AM - Re: painting Lp Aero doors (Harris, Robert) 7. 11:45 AM - Re: High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl (flier) 8. 12:11 PM - Re: High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl (Floran Higgins) 9. 01:25 PM - Re: Spinner or Not? (kitfoxjunky) 10. 01:26 PM - Re: Spinner or Not? (kitfoxjunky) 11. 01:57 PM - IVO Medium...adjusting blade tracking (kitfoxjunky) 12. 02:40 PM - Rudder pedals (Bob Unternaehrer) 13. 02:43 PM - Re: NSI running hot (John Anderson) 14. 03:46 PM - Re: painting Lp Aero doors (David Estapa) 15. 03:49 PM - was Rudder pedals- Posts (John Anderson) 16. 04:39 PM - 912 Rocker Arm Bushings (Brett Walmsley) 17. 06:50 PM - Wild Video - Red Bull Air Races (kitfoxjunky) 18. 07:17 PM - Re: Wild Video - Red Bull Air Races (Aerobatics@aol.com) 19. 08:13 PM - Oil draining to sump after shutdown (Herbert R Gottelt) 20. 09:47 PM - Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 21. 10:18 PM - Anyone know how to contact Dan Melnik? (Aerobatics@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:16 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rudder Pedals --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I'm in need of a set (4) rudder pedal brake actuators (Just the top hindged part) for a Model 4 classic. Not sure if other models will fit. Anyone have some for sale or know if they are available from skystar. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:09 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi, AMuller, Saw lots of stuff - mostly RVs, but couldn'rt find the scoops. could you be a little more specific on the URL. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com > > we are using a Eggenfellner subaru 2.2 and had overheat problems until we > made a square box in front of the radiator and protruding out about 3 > inches on > all sides of the cowling. We also opened up the outlet on the bottom to > about 4 times the inlet total area. Also installed an oil cooler. Now we > occasionally get a two second overheat but instantly goes away for some > reason and > seems to occur only after prolonged descent; may have something to do > with the > thermostat delay in opening up. You can view the scoops on > _http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/_ > (http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/) > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:42 AM PST US From: "Harry Tucker" Subject: Kitfox-List: High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" Hi I have an intermittent oil pressure problem which can happen after one has been flying for over half an hour. Ie not at start up when the engine is cold The oil pressure goes up to 90 to 92 PSI at 4500 RPM and when the Oil temp is 160 to 165 deg If one then pulls the power to 2000 RPM the Oil pressure goes UP to 99 PSI. We always turn the prop 20+ revolutions by hand in order to get the oil up from the sump into the oil header tank If we leave the Kitfox for 4 hours then the oil totally drains out of the header tank down to the sump. On all the other Kitfox IV's we maintain, the oil does drain but not nearly so quickly ie it drains over a period of 2/3 weeks of non use. Has anyone else had this problem and know what to do? Harry Tucker Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339 Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824 Email: harry@htucker.com Skype: harrytucker ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:14 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" With OAT of 97 (phew!) it's not surprising the temp could reach 250, especially with lots of climbouts. 250 is pretty high, but I wouldn't consider it catastrophic so long as you don't hold it there too long and you have a good anti freeze mix. Adding a scoop for the rad will do wonders for coolong. What happens when you level out in cruise for awhile? Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > > while practicing take off and landing water temp hit near 250. outside air 97 coolant and oil full, nothing obvious for heat problem. i am new to KF and NSI E81, any ideas of what to look at > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:46 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Painting LexanRE: Kitfox-List: painting Lp Aero doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Hi Paul, I think it will work on Lexan. I used the "Polyfiber Process" to attach fabric to my Turtle Deck. In a few days I'll spray the UV blocker and Aerothane and let you know what happens. One thing you should note is that Plexiglass and Lexan are different materials. Lexan is not very resistant to chemicals but this maybe a good thing for applying Polyfiber (liquid vinyl) because it may bond/melt to it better thank Plexiglass. Find out if your LP doors are Lexan or Plexiglass because the Polyfiber process may work on one but not the other. By the way I called Polyfiber and asked them if this would work and they were not sure and said to test it and find out. However, they did tell me to be sure to sand the Lexan to ensure a good bite. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer Subject: Kitfox-List: painting Lp Aero doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" All: Has anyone any experience painting the edges of the LP Aero bubble doors with paint? Particularly with Polyfiber Aerothane? I want to trim the edges of my doors with matching fuselage colored paint, but am concerned the solvents could attack the Plexiglass. I could do a test on some scraps, but thought maybe someone has done this before and can save me some paint mixing and time. Any advice or experiences would be appreciated. Paul Seehafer ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:21 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: painting Lp Aero doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Hey David, Do you know if your doors were Lexan or Plexiglass? Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Estapa Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: painting Lp Aero doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa Paul, I painted a 3/4 edge around door with Aerothane. Been painted about 6 months and see no effects. Be sure to use a masking that is vapor proof and also mask the opposite side of the window. Airborne vapors can attack that side also. C. David Estapa Woodstock, GA N97DE S5TD On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:45:57 -0500 "Paul Seehafer" writes: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" > > > All: > > Has anyone any experience painting the edges of the LP Aero bubble > doors > with paint? Particularly with Polyfiber Aerothane? > > I want to trim the edges of my doors with matching fuselage colored > paint, > but am concerned the solvents could attack the Plexiglass. I could > do a > test on some scraps, but thought maybe someone has done this before > and can > save me some paint mixing and time. Any advice or experiences would > be > appreciated. > > Paul Seehafer > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:45 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Harry, Have you verified the oil pressure is actually surging and that you don't have a sender/gauge problem? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry Tucker Subject: Kitfox-List: High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" Hi I have an intermittent oil pressure problem which can happen after one has been flying for over half an hour. Ie not at start up when the engine is cold The oil pressure goes up to 90 to 92 PSI at 4500 RPM and when the Oil temp is 160 to 165 deg If one then pulls the power to 2000 RPM the Oil pressure goes UP to 99 PSI. We always turn the prop 20+ revolutions by hand in order to get the oil up from the sump into the oil header tank If we leave the Kitfox for 4 hours then the oil totally drains out of the header tank down to the sump. On all the other Kitfox IV's we maintain, the oil does drain but not nearly so quickly ie it drains over a period of 2/3 weeks of non use. Has anyone else had this problem and know what to do? Harry Tucker Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339 Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824 Email: harry@htucker.com Skype: harrytucker ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:32 PM PST US From: "Floran Higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" I had a problem with fluctuating oil pressure dropping down to 30 psi on my 912 ULS. I called Lockwood and talked to their engine man He told me that the problem was in the oil sender. I replaced the sender and that solved the problem. Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Tucker" Subject: Kitfox-List: High Oil Pressure Rotax 912S in Kitfox classic IV with round cowl > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" > > Hi > > > I have an intermittent oil pressure problem which can happen after one has > been flying for over half an hour. Ie not at start up when the engine is > cold > > > The oil pressure goes up to 90 to 92 PSI at 4500 RPM and when the Oil temp > is 160 to 165 deg > > > If one then pulls the power to 2000 RPM the Oil pressure goes UP to 99 > PSI. > > > We always turn the prop 20+ revolutions by hand in order to get the oil up > from the sump into the oil header tank > > > If we leave the Kitfox for 4 hours then the oil totally drains out of the > header tank down to the sump. On all the other Kitfox IV's we maintain, > the > oil does drain but not nearly so quickly ie it drains over a period of 2/3 > weeks of non use. > > > Has anyone else had this problem and know what to do? > > > Harry Tucker > > Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC > > PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa > > Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339 > > Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824 > > Email: harry@htucker.com > > Skype: harrytucker > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:18 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spinner or Not? Serialize complete at 08/29/2005 04:21:35 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Yes. I have the round cowl on my Mdl IV. Used the UHS spinner..the 10". At first I thought it was too large..but once I got it on the plane..I decided it looked nice. With the IVO Medium, it looks like there is a lot of engine under the hood. Go to the "Taildragger Times" folder on the web site below and you can see some pics. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan I've got a round-cowl Kitfox IV with a 582/C gearbox/warp drive three blade. I'm thinking of putting one of the ACS UHS fiberglass spinners on, .... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:34 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spinner or Not? Serialize complete at 08/29/2005 04:23:26 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky I saw no impact on cooling when I replaced the NSI spinner with the larger UHS 10" Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" John, What exactly does the dia of a spinner do for the round cowl? I would think it closes up the opening more and would give you more funneling effect of the air???. Any comments? Don Smythe Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:08 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Medium...adjusting blade tracking Serialize complete at 08/29/2005 04:53:38 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Was at a seminar last week and the Rotax Service Centre Rep focused on reducing vibration in the 912 series. Carb Sync, Coil pickup gap and Blade Tracking were high on the list. Has anyone ever adjusted the tracking on an IVO Medium. Do you shim it at the hub? What do you use for shims? Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:53 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rudder pedals --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I posted a need for brake actuator rudder pedal levers for a clasic Model IV and never saw it appear, but I might have not been properly subscribed. If you have some or know where there are some please respond to email below.\ Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:18 PM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" See this? Works well. Not flown yet (very close) but all the high power ground runs good cooling. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1040642128 From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi, AMuller, Saw lots of stuff - mostly RVs, but couldn'rt find the scoops. could you be a little more specific on the URL. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI running hot >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com > >we are using a Eggenfellner subaru 2.2 and had overheat problems until we >made a square box in front of the radiator and protruding out about 3 >inches on >all sides of the cowling. We also opened up the outlet on the bottom to >about 4 times the inlet total area. Also installed an oil cooler. Now we >occasionally get a two second overheat but instantly goes away for some >reason and >seems to occur only after prolonged descent; may have something to do >with the >thermostat delay in opening up. You can view the scoops on >_http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/_ >(http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/) > > Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: painting Lp Aero doors From: David Estapa --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa Plexi On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:19:58 -0700 "Harris, Robert" writes: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > > > Hey David, > > Do you know if your doors were Lexan or Plexiglass? > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Estapa > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: painting Lp Aero doors > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa > > > Paul, I painted a 3/4 edge around door with Aerothane. Been > painted > about 6 months and see no effects. Be sure to use a masking that is > vapor > proof and also mask the opposite side of the window. Airborne vapors > can > attack that side also. > > C. David Estapa > Woodstock, GA > N97DE S5TD > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:45:57 -0500 "Paul Seehafer" > > writes: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" > > > > > > All: > > > > Has anyone any experience painting the edges of the LP Aero bubble > > > doors > > with paint? Particularly with Polyfiber Aerothane? > > > > I want to trim the edges of my doors with matching fuselage > colored > > paint, > > but am concerned the solvents could attack the Plexiglass. I > could > > do a > > test on some scraps, but thought maybe someone has done this > before > > and can > > save me some paint mixing and time. Any advice or experiences > would > > be > > appreciated. > > > > Paul Seehafer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:06 PM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: was Kitfox-List: Rudder pedals- Posts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" I note that too, I get none of my own posts either?? Yes, your's did appear. From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rudder pedals --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I posted a need for brake actuator rudder pedal levers for a clasic Model IV and never saw it appear, but I might have not been properly subscribed. If you have some or know where there are some please respond to email below.\ Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:21 PM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Rocker Arm Bushings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" The October 2005 Kitplanes has an article on page 65 about shopping for a used Rotax engine. The picture at the bottom of the page talks about rocker arm bushing evolution. It is stated that 1st came iron, then phenolic, then bronze. This is an incorrect statement. The proper sequence is iron, bronze then phenolic. This can be verified via Rotax service bulletins. Brett ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:57 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: Wild Video - Red Bull Air Races Serialize complete at 08/29/2005 09:47:22 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Have you folks heard about the Red Bull Air Races? Check out http://www.redbullairrace.com if you have not already been there. Incredible flying footage. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:33 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wild Video - Red Bull Air Races --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com wow ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:16 PM PST US From: Herbert R Gottelt Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil draining to sump after shutdown --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt When first running the 912 in 1997 I did not realize the oil syphoning back to the sump. I thought the engine was low on oil and I refilled it to the mark just before the next engine start. What a mess it caused! I installed a small check valve between the tank and the oil cooler so it was free flowing with the spring removed ,and the side where the spring formerly was I raised up to 90 degrees. That was sufficient to stop the oil flow after shutdown. The suction of the oil pump raises the ball, permitting unrestricted oil flow. I have this system since 1997 and never had any problems with it. Herbert Gottelt, M-IV-1200. Mount Prospect, IL .. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:56 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: Kitfox-List: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Hi Listers, Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and the crash? Almost looks like an RC model especially given the cameraman's rather unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of looks like the elevator may have been hooked up backwards following a rebuild. http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv Any information on this video would be intersting. Matt -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:14 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@AOL.COM Subject: Kitfox-List: Anyone know how to contact Dan Melnik? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com Thanks Dave Patrick