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1. 12:51 AM - Re: P factor (John Anderson)
2. 02:25 AM - SV: P factor (Michel Verheughe)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: SV: landings (jareds)
4. 07:03 AM - SV: P factor (Michel Verheughe)
5. 07:07 AM - SV: SV: landings (Michel Verheughe)
6. 07:42 AM - Another Kifox for sale (kitfoxjunky)
7. 07:52 AM - Kitfox door handles for Kitfox 4 (Harry Tucker)
8. 07:54 AM - Keeping the bugs off (kitfoxjunky)
9. 07:56 AM - Re: tow in on clasic VI (Mike Chaney)
10. 08:09 AM - Re: Another Kifox for sale (kitfoxjunky)
11. 08:41 AM - landings FLapperons (kitfox@gto.net)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: tow in on clasic VI (kitfox@gto.net)
13. 08:46 AM - Re: Another Kifox for sale (kitfox@gto.net)
14. 08:46 AM - Re: Another Kifox for sale (kitfox@gto.net)
15. 10:24 AM - Re: Another Kifox for sale (John Perry)
16. 01:16 PM - Re: landings FLapperons (Michel Verheughe)
17. 03:44 PM - Re: tow in on clasic VI (kirk hull)
18. 05:21 PM - Re: P factor (Michael Gibbs)
19. 06:51 PM - Re: Upholstery (John King)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sorry, typo error, I meant 1 deg DOWN and 11/2 to the right at the prop.
From: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: P factor
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
I prefer to build to plans, and stick to them.
Cheers,
bh
>You could consider ajusting for P factor by shimming the engine mount.
>About
>1 deg and 1 1/2 degs to the right. ~j~
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: John Anderson [janderson412@hotmail.com]
> You could consider ajusting for P factor by shimming the engine mount. About
> 1 deg and 1 1/2 degs to the right. ~j~
Of course, John! Why didn't I think of it? And the good news is that the shimming
washers are coming with your installation package, it's just a matter of installing
them on the left side (looking forward) of your engine mounts.
On my Kitfox, the P-factor is so minimal that I didn't bother to do it. But I might
try, one day.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Jim,
Thats by the book. Best explanation yet and fits with all one ever learned.
This describes how most craft are supposed to behave.
I'm jealous that you are getting a stall speed that is so low. Mines
42. Maybe some winter cleanup will lower that.
Jared
James Shumaker wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>Hi Michel
>
>It took me more than a day or two of landing with full flaps to come to the conclusion
that Full flaps will allow shorter landings. First, the stall speed
is lowered by about 3 mph in smooth air. That makes the approach speed 49 mph
rather than 53 (stall speed x 1.3 in smooth air). The drag is slightly higher
so the plane slows down a little quicker and it also allows raising the flaps
just at touch down to drop solidly to the ground. The difference may not be
noticable unless you are landing in short (less than 800 feet) runways.
>
>It took me a lot longer to learn to land short than I thought it would.
>
>Jim Shumaker
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bruce Harrington [sonex321@msn.com]
> But I cruise at 2800-3100 rom!
That would make the difference, Bruce. At 2,900 and level, I am at the red line
(100 MPH) so I never use so much power as you do. Beside that, with my Jabiru
prop, I can't go over 3,000 RPM (2,900 in a climb or static).
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: James Shumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> It took me a lot longer to learn to land short than I thought it would.
That's the keyword, Jim: Practice and practice. After about 140 hours with my Kitfox,
I feel there is so much more to learn, to try, to train. If I was retired
and alone, I think I would fly every day.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Another Kifox for sale |
Serialize complete at 09/02/2005 10:42:10 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
It blows me away the price you can get a Kitfox for. $ 20 k US for this
one...complete and flying with a Rotax 912. Hell..the engine alone is $
16K CDN. Check it out. What happened with that Raven?
See picture at johnfurey.myphotoalbum.com Price is $20k PLease let
me
know if I can be of help or call me.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Kitfox door handles for Kitfox 4 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
Does anyone know where to locate a good door handle that will close the
bottom of the door on a kitfox 4 door.
It does not need to lock.
The current ones supplied by Skystar are very basic indeed and cause drag.
The old ones fasten the door on the front of the door frame and this means
that the door can open in flight sometimes!!
Harry Tucker
Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC
PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa
Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824
Email: harry@htucker.com
Skype: harrytucker
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| Subject: | Keeping the bugs off |
Serialize complete at 09/02/2005 10:53:37 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Spring, summer and fall the bugs are a real issue up here in Canada. When
I had my Cessna Aerobat, I took on a partner. One day I went to put my
hand on the leading edge of the wing for support as I was chatting with
someone and it slid off...leaving me staggering for balance. My new
partner had sprayed lemon pledge on the leading edge..so the bugs did the
same thing I did. Recently I was scraping bugs off my prop, cowl, leading
edge and everything else pointing forward on my Classic IV and remembered
the incident. I tried it and it works very well...better than I
remembered. Also leaves a nice shine.
All you old timers probably know about this..but thought maybe those new
to the game may appreciate the tip.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | tow in on clasic VI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
My tires wear quite unevenly with the insides wearing much quicker than the
outside. I thought about trying to fix this but not sure quite how to do
this. Is the fix more trouble than the extra expense of the shorter life of
the tires?
I'm not sure my responce is related to your question.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Subject: Kitfox-List: tow in on clasic VI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I was looking at the toe in on the main gear of my classic VI and it appears
to be about 1/2 inch from the front of the break disk to the back with the
greatest distance between the two at the rear. This does not seem right to
me . Has anyone else found this on their for and if so what is the best
method for fixing it?
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kifox for sale |
Serialize complete at 09/02/2005 11:09:09 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Sorry Guys. Meant to forward this to a guy in Canada who asked me to keep
an eye out for any KF for sale. Forgot to paste in his address. I am
convinced the KF is one of the best values out there for the $$.
GW
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
It blows me away the price you can get a Kitfox for. $ 20 k US for this
one...
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
I have read about Kitfox flaps or no flaps and like to offer what i
find.
My Flapperons on the KF IV are 33 degree Full down.
I use 15 to 20 deg for soft field wheel
- SKis
- Float take offs
They definatly a benefit in getting your weight from gear to wings
quicker.
I also find from my old cessna days that with 15 to 20 deg flaps on
roll I can pull the flap full down and "pop " the water or ground in a
jiffy. But 33 degrees is a lot of drag as well so you get nose down
and get rid of the extra 15 deg in a hurry or you will not be able to
accelerate as much.
On landings
same 15 to 20 deg flapperons will give you slower and shorter
landing.
On wheels once planted dump your flaps to give your self more weight on
wheels and better braking.
On Skis in soft snow dumping flaps wil sink you deepr in soft snow if
you want to slow in a hurry or in slush.
On floats you want to land as slow as possible so same as above.
Flapperons on Kitfoxes have seemed to be a real benefit to me and I am
not sure why others seem to think they are not useful. But hey to
each their own.
On earlier kitfox t and avids up to modcel IV KF they do not have
aileron differential.
Kirby ..............
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| Subject: | Re: tow in on clasic VI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Check your toe in or out
should be close to zero -- i tihnk 1/4 max tolerance.
I fly mostly off grass so I never noticed tire wear :)
Kirby
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
> My tires wear quite unevenly with the insides wearing much quicker
than the
> outside. I thought about trying to fix this but not sure quite how
to do
> this. Is the fix more trouble than the extra expense of the shorter
life of
> the tires?
>
> I'm not sure my responce is related to your question.
> Mike Chaney
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kifox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Hi Gary, I saw this Kitfox.
This guy is selling it about 10k US $ too CHEAP.
If he is reading this contact me kitfox @ gto.net take out
spaces
send me more pics and full details I have a buyer with cash in hand.
I have a US shipper that will pick it up and deliver for you . 1 $ a
mile plus i think gas up so price might be more too now .
Kirby........
Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> It blows me away the price you can get a Kitfox for. $ 20 k US for
this
> one...complete and flying with a Rotax 912. Hell..the engine alone
is $
> 16K CDN. Check it out. What happened with that Raven?
>
> See picture at johnfurey.myphotoalbum.com Price is $20k PLease
let
> me
> know if I can be of help or call me.
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kifox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Hi Gary, I saw this Kitfox.
This guy is selling it about 10k US $ too CHEAP.
If he is reading this contact me kitfox @ gto.net take out
spaces
send me more pics and full details I have a buyer with cash in hand.
I have a US shipper that will pick it up and deliver for you . 1 $ a
mile plus i think gas up so price might be more too now .
Kirby........
Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> It blows me away the price you can get a Kitfox for. $ 20 k US for
this
> one...complete and flying with a Rotax 912. Hell..the engine alone
is $
> 16K CDN. Check it out. What happened with that Raven?
>
> See picture at johnfurey.myphotoalbum.com Price is $20k PLease
let
> me
> know if I can be of help or call me.
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kifox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
There is a early model 2 with 582 and c box with 66"gsc for sale here in sw
wind blowin no water Kansas i looked at her last week and she just needs
some TLC to get back in the air . The guy is asking 12500. for her . No
damage history . Just been sitting in a barn for a long time Low time 582 50
hours about ,Original engine was the 532. Has 14 gallon right and 6 gallon
left and header tank in front . Oil injection .
If you want more info Call me or E me at
eskflyer@pld.com
620-492-5115
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: kitfox@gto.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another Kifox for sale
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Hi Gary, I saw this Kitfox.
This guy is selling it about 10k US $ too CHEAP.
If he is reading this contact me kitfox @ gto.net take out
spaces
send me more pics and full details I have a buyer with cash in hand.
I have a US shipper that will pick it up and deliver for you . 1 $ a
mile plus i think gas up so price might be more too now .
Kirby........
Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> It blows me away the price you can get a Kitfox for. $ 20 k US for
this
> one...complete and flying with a Rotax 912. Hell..the engine alone
is $
> 16K CDN. Check it out. What happened with that Raven?
>
> See picture at johnfurey.myphotoalbum.com Price is $20k PLease
let
> me
> know if I can be of help or call me.
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kitfox@gto.net wrote:
> Flapperons on Kitfoxes have seemed to be a real benefit to me and I am
> not sure why others seem to think they are not useful. But hey to
> each their own.
> On earlier kitfox t and avids up to modcel IV KF they do not have
> aileron differential.
Aha! I think we are into something here, Kirby. Because my Model 3 user manual
says:
"You should build a stop for the flaps handle to restrict flap declection to 23
degrees. Deflection beyond 23 degrees tends t restrict aileron travel and effectiveness."
I guess, you guys with the model 4, or later, are better off with your flaperons.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | tow in on clasic VI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Where would you measure to get the 1/4 in . At the break disk or the tire.
I have about a 1/2 in at the break disk. how can this be fixed?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kitfox@gto.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tow in on clasic VI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Check your toe in or out
should be close to zero -- i tihnk 1/4 max tolerance.
I fly mostly off grass so I never noticed tire wear :)
Kirby
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
> My tires wear quite unevenly with the insides wearing much quicker
than the
> outside. I thought about trying to fix this but not sure quite how
to do
> this. Is the fix more trouble than the extra expense of the shorter
life of
> the tires?
>
> I'm not sure my responce is related to your question.
> Mike Chaney
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Mike sez:
>I spoke to the Kitfox rep at Oshkosh and he indicated that I could
>put a small tab 3x6 inch on my rudder. He said the tab should be on
>the opposite side of my applied rudder pressure.
I think which side of the rudder you put the tab on is mostly
aesthetic--where do you think it looks good? I found that I needed
to hold right rudder in cruise flight with my Rotax 912S so I put a
tab on the right side of the rudder that was bent to the left. I
liked the way that looked because the bend needed was small enough
that the trailing edge of the tab was still behind the rudder tubing,
whereas putting it on the left side of the rudder would have the
trailing edge sticking out to the left past the trailing edge of the
rudder.
Looking down:
Aft rudder Aft rudder
tube tube
( )| trim trim |( )
/ tab tab /
Mine was You could do
installed it this way
this way if you prefer
I riveted mine to the aft rudder tube at the top and bottom. The
plate was about 9 or 10 inches tall and about 2.5 to 3 inches from
front to back. I angled the top edge down to make it look
symmetrical with the lower edge (which is tilted up due to the angle
of the aft rudder tube.
This arrangement worked nicely--I still needed right rudder during
takeoff and climb, left rudder was needed in a high speed descent,
and it was feet-off during cruise.
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Jeffrey,
That piece goes between the seats over the fiberglass.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Jeffrey Puls wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
>Received my upholstery today I ordered from Skystar. Does anyone know what the
3 pieces of clothe are for? Two sections are sown together and have a bend in
them. Thanks. Jeff Classic IV; I'm tossing my rocking chair pads.
>
>
>Jeffrey Puls
>pulsair@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
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