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1. 02:34 AM - SV: [Off-topic] Western Norway (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:09 AM - Rotax 912UL Fuel System (Lyle Persels)
3. 05:40 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Spring ? (Dee Young)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Spring ? (Fox5flyer)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: Rotax 912UL Fuel System (Clifford Begnaud)
6. 10:00 AM - Re: Rotax 912UL Fuel System (Thomas Lee)
7. 03:21 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Western Norway (John Anderson)
8. 03:36 PM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (Jim Crowder)
9. 04:39 PM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (John Perry)
10. 04:41 PM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (John Anderson)
11. 05:11 PM - 582 high egt's (GONER752@aol.com)
12. 05:24 PM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (John Perry)
13. 05:40 PM - Speedster For Sale (John Furey)
14. 05:46 PM - Re: 582 high egt's (John Perry)
15. 06:09 PM - Re: Rotax 912UL Fuel System (Clifford Begnaud)
16. 06:40 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Western Norway (Jeffrey Puls)
17. 06:42 PM - Re: Upholstery (Jeffrey Puls)
18. 08:14 PM - Re: Keeping the bugs off (Aerobatics@AOL.COM)
19. 08:37 PM - Re: landings FLapperons (Michael Gibbs)
20. 09:24 PM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (Guy Buchanan)
21. 09:24 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Western Norway (Guy Buchanan)
22. 09:37 PM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (Marco Menezes)
23. 09:58 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Western Norway (John Anderson)
24. 10:03 PM - Re: wing tanks/ethynol (John Perry)
25. 11:38 PM - SV: landings FLapperons (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Western Norway |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Randy Daughenbaugh [rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
> Is your landing site in the picture of Voss?
No Randy. The photo was taken as I was on a long final for runway 09. The photo
is taken at about ten o'clock to the direction of the plane, the airfield being
at the east of the town, a 2,500 ft runway of asphalt. Being alone in the plane,
I never take photos landing on an airfield for the first time. There are
other things to concentrate on! :-)
Guy, I am sure California is just as pretty as Norway. For me, being born and growing
up in very flat Belgium, Norway is quite a beauty, though!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Rotax 912UL Fuel System |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I have a standard fuel system (28 gallons plus header) and engine
installation in my 1994 Model IV/912UL with 400 hours. Last week, while
taxiing out for takeoff, the engine sputtered and stopped completely as
though it had just run out of gas. After pushing the aircraft back to
the hangar, I checked the carburetor float bowls and confirmed that the
engine had stopped because of fuel starvation. I then drained between
six and seven gallons of fuel out of the aircraft. The flow was free and
normal.
Other than fuel blockage, what should I look for?
Does the fuel pump create any vacuum at all, or must there be a positive
gravity feed to the inlet at all times?
Lyle
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Ray, your question was
What is the method for removing the old bolt so the new one can be installed. You
should be able to whack it with a hammer and have it pop right out.
Dee
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
3M epoxy softens with heat so heat the end of the bolt with a heat gun and
it'll pop right out. Careful of getting too much heat on the fabric though.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Spring ?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> Ray, your question was
>
> What is the method for removing the old bolt so the new one can be
installed. You should be able to whack it with a hammer and have it pop
right out.
>
> Dee
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912UL Fuel System |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Lyle,
Fuel problems can be difficult to diagnose, but there is a long list of
things to look for. There could have been a blockage that dislodged when you
moved the plane which could block things again.
I won't try to specifically address your problem, instead I'm going put up a
laundry list of things that can affect your fuel system. Start at the
beginning...
1) Kreme; can block finger strainers, clog up filters, fuel lines, header
tank ports, fuel pump, carbs or anything in your fuel system. Search
archives for cure.
2) Mold release; fiberglass mold release is sometimes not completely removed
from the tanks. It can clog up your fuel system at many points. It can also
just get stuck in your fuel line making it hard to diagnose unless you
remove the line and look thru it. It looks like little pieces of clear
silicon caulk. Requires a cure similar to Kreme.
3) Fiberglass particles; the baffles in the tanks have holes punched in them
to allow fuel to pass. The edges of these holes are not sealed thus allowing
fiberglass particles to escape. The particles are very small and cannot be
seen when wet, but they WILL clog up fuel filters. For the first several
hundred hours, fuel filters should be changed every 25-50 hours. No kidding,
this can be a serious problem and you'll never know it if you don't examine
the inside of a fuel filter. They clogged up my glass purolator filter but I
couldn't see the particles. However, they did cause a slight brown color to
be evident on the filter. When I removed and cleaned the filter, you could
then see and feel the particles. After several hundred hours the release of
the particles will cease or at least slow to a point where it's no longer a
problem.
4) MIL-H-6000 fuel line. If you use this hose, which was and may still be
provided by skystar, and you use auto gas, GET RID OF THIS FUEL LINE!!!.
This fuel line cannot tolerate the additives in auto gas. There are a few
parts of the country where it has not been a problem, but for the majority
of the US you are playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 shot
revolver if you use this fuel line with auto gas. This fuel line can swell
and restrict fuel flow or even completely cut it off. Also, it degrades so
much that the inside of the hose can slough off and clog filters and carbs.
5) Finger strainers; first be certain that they are installed. Second,
check that they are not clogged with debris.
6) Continuous downslope of fuel line from wing to header tank. Allow NO
point in the fuel line where it goes up hill, including over the root rib of
the wing.
7) Do you have the proper fuel line diameter for your engine?
8) Pinched fuel lines. Check that your fuel line is not being pinched
somewhere along the way. Also, look for places where the fuel line is being
abraded. You don't want to wear a hole in it.
9) Fuel filter installed between header tank and fuel pump?
10) NO paper fuel filters. Paper absorbs water and once saturated can block
fuel flow.
11) Fuel pump working? I've never heard of a failed mechanical pump on a
912, but I'm sure it could happen.
12) Fuel line connections secure? If any connection in your fuel line
between the header tank and carb is not absolutely tight and secure, it
could disrupt fuel flow. Loose connections between header and pump will
allow air to enter and likely cause cavitation in fuel pump.
13) Carburetors. There's lots of things that can go wrong with the bing carb
and I won't try to describe them, but check that the floats are not
sticking. If you think that the carbs are the problem, there are others here
on the list that are very knowledgeable about the bing carbs.
14) Excessive engine vibration. This could disrupt the operation of the
carbs causing the floats or other parts to stick and stop fuel flow.
Excessive engine vibration can be caused by unsynchronized carbs, improper
blade alignment (runout) and blades not being pitched the same. Also can be
caused by broken engine mounts, loose engine mount bolts, worn mount
bushings, worn out gear boxes and others things I can't think of right now.
15) Throttle cable. Be certain that is not binding, sticking or otherwise
capable of improper operation.
This is by no means everything that can affect your fuel system, but is a
good list to start with. These are things that every kitfox owner should
check. The fuel system on the Kitfox is actually an excellent system, but
there are many things can go wrong if you don't understand it in it's
entirety.
Good luck,
Cliff
> I have a standard fuel system (28 gallons plus header) and engine
> installation in my 1994 Model IV/912UL with 400 hours. Last week, while
> taxiing out for takeoff, the engine sputtered and stopped completely as
> though it had just run out of gas. After pushing the aircraft back to
> the hangar, I checked the carburetor float bowls and confirmed that the
> engine had stopped because of fuel starvation. I then drained between
> six and seven gallons of fuel out of the aircraft. The flow was free and
> normal.
>
> Other than fuel blockage, what should I look for?
>
> Does the fuel pump create any vacuum at all, or must there be a positive
> gravity feed to the inlet at all times?
>
> Lyle
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912UL Fuel System |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Cliff,
When I was building the Vixen in 1997, there were reports of the Kreme
coating peeling off from the fuel tank. Mark Budah of SkyStar advised
me to REMOVE the finger strainers so that any debris could flow out
instead of blocking the fuel passage. He told me to install a glass
filter 1" dia.x 3" long (from auto store) approx. 12" from each fuel
tank so that any foreign material could be seen and removed easily.
thomas, Vixen 912UL, 427 hr.
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>Lyle,
>Fuel problems can be difficult to diagnose, but there is a long list of
>things to look for. There could have been a blockage that dislodged when you
>moved the plane which could block things again.
>I won't try to specifically address your problem, instead I'm going put up a
>laundry list of things that can affect your fuel system. Start at the
>beginning...
>
>1) Kreme; can block finger strainers, clog up filters, fuel lines, header
>tank ports, fuel pump, carbs or anything in your fuel system. Search
>archives for cure.
>
>2) Mold release; fiberglass mold release is sometimes not completely removed
>from the tanks. It can clog up your fuel system at many points. It can also
>just get stuck in your fuel line making it hard to diagnose unless you
>remove the line and look thru it. It looks like little pieces of clear
>silicon caulk. Requires a cure similar to Kreme.
>
>3) Fiberglass particles; the baffles in the tanks have holes punched in them
>to allow fuel to pass. The edges of these holes are not sealed thus allowing
>fiberglass particles to escape. The particles are very small and cannot be
>seen when wet, but they WILL clog up fuel filters. For the first several
>hundred hours, fuel filters should be changed every 25-50 hours. No kidding,
>this can be a serious problem and you'll never know it if you don't examine
>the inside of a fuel filter. They clogged up my glass purolator filter but I
>couldn't see the particles. However, they did cause a slight brown color to
>be evident on the filter. When I removed and cleaned the filter, you could
>then see and feel the particles. After several hundred hours the release of
>the particles will cease or at least slow to a point where it's no longer a
>problem.
>
>4) MIL-H-6000 fuel line. If you use this hose, which was and may still be
>provided by skystar, and you use auto gas, GET RID OF THIS FUEL LINE!!!.
>This fuel line cannot tolerate the additives in auto gas. There are a few
>parts of the country where it has not been a problem, but for the majority
>of the US you are playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 shot
>revolver if you use this fuel line with auto gas. This fuel line can swell
>and restrict fuel flow or even completely cut it off. Also, it degrades so
>much that the inside of the hose can slough off and clog filters and carbs.
>
>5) Finger strainers; first be certain that they are installed. Second,
>check that they are not clogged with debris.
>
>6) Continuous downslope of fuel line from wing to header tank. Allow NO
>point in the fuel line where it goes up hill, including over the root rib of
>the wing.
>
>7) Do you have the proper fuel line diameter for your engine?
>
>8) Pinched fuel lines. Check that your fuel line is not being pinched
>somewhere along the way. Also, look for places where the fuel line is being
>abraded. You don't want to wear a hole in it.
>
>9) Fuel filter installed between header tank and fuel pump?
>
>10) NO paper fuel filters. Paper absorbs water and once saturated can block
>fuel flow.
>
>11) Fuel pump working? I've never heard of a failed mechanical pump on a
>912, but I'm sure it could happen.
>
>12) Fuel line connections secure? If any connection in your fuel line
>between the header tank and carb is not absolutely tight and secure, it
>could disrupt fuel flow. Loose connections between header and pump will
>allow air to enter and likely cause cavitation in fuel pump.
>
>13) Carburetors. There's lots of things that can go wrong with the bing carb
>and I won't try to describe them, but check that the floats are not
>sticking. If you think that the carbs are the problem, there are others here
>on the list that are very knowledgeable about the bing carbs.
>
>14) Excessive engine vibration. This could disrupt the operation of the
>carbs causing the floats or other parts to stick and stop fuel flow.
>Excessive engine vibration can be caused by unsynchronized carbs, improper
>blade alignment (runout) and blades not being pitched the same. Also can be
>caused by broken engine mounts, loose engine mount bolts, worn mount
>bushings, worn out gear boxes and others things I can't think of right now.
>
>15) Throttle cable. Be certain that is not binding, sticking or otherwise
>capable of improper operation.
>
>This is by no means everything that can affect your fuel system, but is a
>good list to start with. These are things that every kitfox owner should
>check. The fuel system on the Kitfox is actually an excellent system, but
>there are many things can go wrong if you don't understand it in it's
>entirety.
>
>Good luck,
>Cliff
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Western Norway |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Should come see New Zealand some time too
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Western Norway
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Michel,
Thanks for making the effort. Sometimes I think we have a lock on
beautiful scenery in California. Clearly it's not true, as these are some
of the most breathtaking shots I've ever seen.
Guy
At 12:14 PM 9/4/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Yesterday, I flew across Norway to the western coast where the big fjords
>are.
>Probably my most enjoyable flight so far. The scenery is just breathtaking.
>As you know, dear pilot friends, photos will never do justice to the
>experience
>of being there, but still, here are a few:
>
>http://home.online.no/~michel/Voss/
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
Guy
Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
At 07:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years
>past over at the aurora
>IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was
>working on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was
>5 million in damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were
>destroyed.The good news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
>Joe
My nephew, who also happens to be a pilot, owns a recreational
vehicle business in Louisville, Ky. Two of his mechanics had an RV
over a service pit, and as a part of the work needed to drain the
fuel from the tank so the tank could be removed. They had done this
an infinite number of times before. While the fuel was draining, it
ignited in the catch tank from static electricity. To exit the pit
they had to climb a metal latter at one end, and roll out from under
the very large vehicle. It happened so fast, that when I talked with
them a week latter, neither could even remember who went up the latter first!
By the time they were out from under the vehicle, it was far too late
for fire extinguishers they had on hand. They all exited the
building, shut the overhead doors, and waited for the fire department
to deal with it. The building was gutted and of course the vehicles
within. I always remember that fire when draining fuel.
Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
I carry a bent copper rod i drop into the tank and attach the ground strap
to It is a # 6 bare copper . Never have any problems and it is cheap cost me
nothing for the protection . When done fueling pull out rod and ground wire
before disconnecting . Works wonders I also have a ground lug on the gear
leg to attach fueling ground strap to .
Even when fueling my plastic 5 gallon cans i ground them Never can be to
careful with volatile fuels and life safety.
Was going flying this weekend but wind blowin no water flatland Kansas threw
up its ugly head and blew 35 this weekend. so stayed home and did the honey
do it or else list . lol .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: Jim Crowder
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
At 07:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years
>past over at the aurora
>IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was
>working on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was
>5 million in damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were
>destroyed.The good news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
>Joe
My nephew, who also happens to be a pilot, owns a recreational
vehicle business in Louisville, Ky. Two of his mechanics had an RV
over a service pit, and as a part of the work needed to drain the
fuel from the tank so the tank could be removed. They had done this
an infinite number of times before. While the fuel was draining, it
ignited in the catch tank from static electricity. To exit the pit
they had to climb a metal latter at one end, and roll out from under
the very large vehicle. It happened so fast, that when I talked with
them a week latter, neither could even remember who went up the latter
first!
By the time they were out from under the vehicle, it was far too late
for fire extinguishers they had on hand. They all exited the
building, shut the overhead doors, and waited for the fire department
to deal with it. The building was gutted and of course the vehicles
within. I always remember that fire when draining fuel.
Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Where best to ground the a/c like a kitfox? Fuel tank neck, exhaust pipe,
funnel? ~j~
From: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
At 07:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years
>past over at the aurora
>IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was
>working on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was
>5 million in damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were
>destroyed.The good news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
>Joe
My nephew, who also happens to be a pilot, owns a recreational
vehicle business in Louisville, Ky. Two of his mechanics had an RV
over a service pit, and as a part of the work needed to drain the
fuel from the tank so the tank could be removed. They had done this
an infinite number of times before. While the fuel was draining, it
ignited in the catch tank from static electricity. To exit the pit
they had to climb a metal latter at one end, and roll out from under
the very large vehicle. It happened so fast, that when I talked with
them a week latter, neither could even remember who went up the latter
first!
By the time they were out from under the vehicle, it was far too late
for fire extinguishers they had on hand. They all exited the
building, shut the overhead doors, and waited for the fire department
to deal with it. The building was gutted and of course the vehicles
within. I always remember that fire when draining fuel.
Jim Crowder
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com
Hi listers,
Yet another problem from n375kl.I know I've seen egt's discussed here
before,but,I had a little hiccup the other day I need help diagnosing.I went to
a
fly-in breakfast approx. 14 nm. south of my home field.I noticed egt's running
1200 to 1250,and unequal between cyls. I understand 1150 deg's to be the
norm.outside air temp. was 68 and water temp. never got beyond 140.(no
thermostat).cruise was 5800rpm.I'm running a 582 w/68in.gsc pitched to 16deg.
3/1 c
drive.also a single mikuni carb.(yeah, i know,everyone who's seen that thinks
it odd,but that's the way it was when i got it.seems to run alright,till
now.)oh yeah, i'm pre-mixing 50 to 1.accurately.93 octane w/pennzoil.Any
thoughts? Suggestions?Any help would be apprieciated.thanks all.
Greg G.
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
I attach mine to the gear leg and to the copper rod when refueling . when
pulling out rod leave ground on it then disconnect ground from gear leg
Hope this helps ya .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
Do not archive
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: John Anderson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail
com>
Where best to ground the a/c like a kitfox? Fuel tank neck, exhaust pipe,
funnel? ~j~
From: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
At 07:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years
>past over at the aurora
>IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was
>working on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was
>5 million in damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were
>destroyed.The good news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
>Joe
My nephew, who also happens to be a pilot, owns a recreational
vehicle business in Louisville, Ky. Two of his mechanics had an RV
over a service pit, and as a part of the work needed to drain the
fuel from the tank so the tank could be removed. They had done this
an infinite number of times before. While the fuel was draining, it
ignited in the catch tank from static electricity. To exit the pit
they had to climb a metal latter at one end, and roll out from under
the very large vehicle. It happened so fast, that when I talked with
them a week latter, neither could even remember who went up the latter
first!
By the time they were out from under the vehicle, it was far too late
for fire extinguishers they had on hand. They all exited the
building, shut the overhead doors, and waited for the fire department
to deal with it. The building was gutted and of course the vehicles
within. I always remember that fire when draining fuel.
Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Speedster For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
For those of you who wanted more pictures please go to
johnfurey.myphotoalbum.com
Kitfox Speedster N93FD (July 1993)
Rotax 912UL 400 hours TT
KY 97 Com Radio KT76A Transponder
GSC 3 Blade Ground Adjustable Prop
No Damage History
What did I do:
1.. Replaced windshield
2.. Install Grove Gear, Original Gear comes with it also
3.. New Rudder Cables
4.. New Hoses
5.. New Prop Blades
6.. Remove Door Plexi
7.. Left it set in the hangar for 4 yrs
What needs done
1.. Cut & fit new door glass which I have, (upper half) If you want
2.. Install battery
3.. Install Flap handle
4.. Clean Carbs
5.. FLY IT
Cosmetics:
1. Replace flaperon tips
2. Cover belly fabric where bungi cords were
3. Fit wheel pants to Grove gear
4. Repair wing tip trailing edge seems
5. Cover Flaperon tips
The pictures show the current cosmetic condition. Notice that plastic is
still on the windshield. The Flaperon tips are gone, The wing tips show some
cracks on the edge, The right wing by the fuel tank shows an area that
should be repainted, The area where the Bungi cords came through needs
covered(all materials provided), I have the new door glass to install, Misc
other finishing touches.
Two days work to get it in the air. Couple of weeks to make a real Lady out
of it.
My flying RV6A and my F1 Rocket project take up my spare time.
For you serious buyers that want more details or pictures please let me
know.
John Furey
Malvern, Ohio
330-324-2041
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| Subject: | Re: 582 high egt's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Were you jetted for the summer flying hot temps and high density altitude .
If so that can be the problem also with the low temp Not good on the engine
Would Highly recommend a thermostat, I have one i can send you for shipping
came out of my old gray head 582 only 20 hours on the thermostat before i
bought a new blue head engine it has the weep hole in it . How many hours do
you have on your engine ?. I also find my egts fluctuating when temps are
extreme from one end to the other/ morning flights versus afternoon 100
degree. I now have the ivo electric and and it helps to load the engine a
little more to get my egts down when cold out .
Hope this helps
FLy safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
eskflyer@pld.com
-------Original Message-------
From: GONER752@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 high egt's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com
Hi listers,
Yet another problem from n375kl.I know I've seen egt's discussed here
before,but,I had a little hiccup the other day I need help diagnosing.I went
to a
fly-in breakfast approx. 14 nm. south of my home field.I noticed egt's
running
1200 to 1250,and unequal between cyls. I understand 1150 deg's to be the
norm.outside air temp. was 68 and water temp. never got beyond 140.(no
thermostat).cruise was 5800rpm.I'm running a 582 w/68in.gsc pitched to 16deg
3/1 c
drive.also a single mikuni carb.(yeah, i know,everyone who's seen that
thinks
it odd,but that's the way it was when i got it.seems to run alright,till
now.)oh yeah, i'm pre-mixing 50 to 1.accurately.93 octane w/pennzoil.Any
thoughts? Suggestions?Any help would be apprieciated.thanks all.
Greg G.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912UL Fuel System |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I'm amazed that someone from Skystar told you to remove the finger
strainers!!
You have to visualize what the finger strainers are doing and how they work.
Any debris that would clog your finger strainers would instantly clog the
small opening where fuel exits your fuel tank. The finger strainers
effectively create a LARGE hole that is difficult to block. Without them
even a small piece of a leaf, only 1/2" in diameter or less would clog the
exit hole. Even if the junk in your tank got past the exit hole it would
almost surely get lodged in the entry holes to the filter. Have you examined
how small the entry holes are in that filter?
When we purchased our most recent kitfox a few years ago, it did not have
finger strainers installed. Very soon after the purchase, the entry holes to
the glass filters got clogged with mold release, enough to cause partial
fuel starvation. The finger strainers would have stopped these particles
from ever getting into the fuel lines and they would not have blocked flow
into the strainers.
Granted, if you have a massive release of Kreme in your tanks it can indeed
completely cover the finger strainers and block fuel flow, but it would take
only a small fraction of that amount to block an exit hole unprotected by a
finger strainer.
In my humble opinion, removing the finger strainers is a Bad, Bad, Bad idea.
Over the last 7 years and two kitfoxes, I have had "almost" every fuel
system problem that you can have. I have learned the hard way how to
diagnose and treat these problems, please learn from my mistakes and
experience.
Today, I have a fuel system that is as trouble free as you can get. It works
well in every phase of flight and I have utmost faith in it, but I still
keep a close eye on it. The fuel system is the Achilles Heel of your
airplane.
Best Regards,
Cliff
>
> Cliff,
>
> When I was building the Vixen in 1997, there were reports of the Kreme
> coating peeling off from the fuel tank. Mark Budah of SkyStar advised
> me to REMOVE the finger strainers so that any debris could flow out
> instead of blocking the fuel passage. He told me to install a glass
> filter 1" dia.x 3" long (from auto store) approx. 12" from each fuel
> tank so that any foreign material could be seen and removed easily.
>
> thomas, Vixen 912UL, 427 hr.
>
>
> Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>
>>Lyle,
>>Fuel problems can be difficult to diagnose, but there is a long list of
>>things to look for. There could have been a blockage that dislodged when
>>you
>>moved the plane which could block things again.
>>I won't try to specifically address your problem, instead I'm going put up
>>a
>>laundry list of things that can affect your fuel system. Start at the
>>beginning...
>>
>>1) Kreme; can block finger strainers, clog up filters, fuel lines, header
>>tank ports, fuel pump, carbs or anything in your fuel system. Search
>>archives for cure.
>>
>>2) Mold release; fiberglass mold release is sometimes not completely
>>removed
>>from the tanks. It can clog up your fuel system at many points. It can
>>also
>>just get stuck in your fuel line making it hard to diagnose unless you
>>remove the line and look thru it. It looks like little pieces of clear
>>silicon caulk. Requires a cure similar to Kreme.
>>
>>3) Fiberglass particles; the baffles in the tanks have holes punched in
>>them
>>to allow fuel to pass. The edges of these holes are not sealed thus
>>allowing
>>fiberglass particles to escape. The particles are very small and cannot be
>>seen when wet, but they WILL clog up fuel filters. For the first several
>>hundred hours, fuel filters should be changed every 25-50 hours. No
>>kidding,
>>this can be a serious problem and you'll never know it if you don't
>>examine
>>the inside of a fuel filter. They clogged up my glass purolator filter but
>>I
>>couldn't see the particles. However, they did cause a slight brown color
>>to
>>be evident on the filter. When I removed and cleaned the filter, you could
>>then see and feel the particles. After several hundred hours the release
>>of
>>the particles will cease or at least slow to a point where it's no longer
>>a
>>problem.
>>
>>4) MIL-H-6000 fuel line. If you use this hose, which was and may still be
>>provided by skystar, and you use auto gas, GET RID OF THIS FUEL LINE!!!.
>>This fuel line cannot tolerate the additives in auto gas. There are a few
>>parts of the country where it has not been a problem, but for the majority
>>of the US you are playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 shot
>>revolver if you use this fuel line with auto gas. This fuel line can swell
>>and restrict fuel flow or even completely cut it off. Also, it degrades so
>>much that the inside of the hose can slough off and clog filters and
>>carbs.
>>
>>5) Finger strainers; first be certain that they are installed. Second,
>>check that they are not clogged with debris.
>>
>>6) Continuous downslope of fuel line from wing to header tank. Allow NO
>>point in the fuel line where it goes up hill, including over the root rib
>>of
>>the wing.
>>
>>7) Do you have the proper fuel line diameter for your engine?
>>
>>8) Pinched fuel lines. Check that your fuel line is not being pinched
>>somewhere along the way. Also, look for places where the fuel line is
>>being
>>abraded. You don't want to wear a hole in it.
>>
>>9) Fuel filter installed between header tank and fuel pump?
>>
>>10) NO paper fuel filters. Paper absorbs water and once saturated can
>>block
>>fuel flow.
>>
>>11) Fuel pump working? I've never heard of a failed mechanical pump on a
>>912, but I'm sure it could happen.
>>
>>12) Fuel line connections secure? If any connection in your fuel line
>>between the header tank and carb is not absolutely tight and secure, it
>>could disrupt fuel flow. Loose connections between header and pump will
>>allow air to enter and likely cause cavitation in fuel pump.
>>
>>13) Carburetors. There's lots of things that can go wrong with the bing
>>carb
>>and I won't try to describe them, but check that the floats are not
>>sticking. If you think that the carbs are the problem, there are others
>>here
>>on the list that are very knowledgeable about the bing carbs.
>>
>>14) Excessive engine vibration. This could disrupt the operation of the
>>carbs causing the floats or other parts to stick and stop fuel flow.
>>Excessive engine vibration can be caused by unsynchronized carbs, improper
>>blade alignment (runout) and blades not being pitched the same. Also can
>>be
>>caused by broken engine mounts, loose engine mount bolts, worn mount
>>bushings, worn out gear boxes and others things I can't think of right
>>now.
>>
>>15) Throttle cable. Be certain that is not binding, sticking or otherwise
>>capable of improper operation.
>>
>>This is by no means everything that can affect your fuel system, but is a
>>good list to start with. These are things that every kitfox owner should
>>check. The fuel system on the Kitfox is actually an excellent system, but
>>there are many things can go wrong if you don't understand it in it's
>>entirety.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>Cliff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Western Norway |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Michel,
I know this is of the Kitfox topic, but when you look deep in those Fjords
at the small towns; how do the peopel support themselve? It doesn't look
like there is enough room for manufacturing or livestock. Do the people
have healthcare close. I just find it so interesting. Such a beatifule
country. Thanks for sharing. Jeff Classic IV.
> [Original Message]
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/4/2005 3:16:22 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Western Norway
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Yesterday, I flew across Norway to the western coast where the big fjords
are.
> Probably my most enjoyable flight so far. The scenery is just
breathtaking.
> As you know, dear pilot friends, photos will never do justice to the
experience
> of being there, but still, here are a few:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/Voss/
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Thanks John. Jeff
> [Original Message]
> From: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/2/2005 9:48:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Upholstery
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>
> Jeffrey,
>
> That piece goes between the seats over the fiberglass.
> --
>
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> Jeffrey Puls wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
<pulsair@mindspring.com>
> >
> >Received my upholstery today I ordered from Skystar. Does anyone know
what the 3 pieces of clothe are for? Two sections are sown together and
have a bend in them. Thanks. Jeff Classic IV; I'm tossing my rocking chair
pads.
> >
> >
> >Jeffrey Puls
> >pulsair@mindspring.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping the bugs off |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
Yes!
Dollar General sells a Lemon Pledge copy for ONE dollar! Use it all the
time
!!
Dave Kitfox 2 582
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| Subject: | Re: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Kirby asks:
>Where do you get this stuff about 30 degrees is too much ? I more
>than interested in fact and where is this written that 30 degrees is
>too much?
What I said was, "It seems that if your flaperons extend
significantly beyond what the book calls for, your flaperons are not
rigged properly."
I don't know what model Kitfox you have, Kirby, and I don't know what
the SkyStar-produced construction manual for your airplane calls for
in terms of flaperon deflection. What I do know is that the book
DOES call for a specific set of linkage measurements and a maximum
flap deflection angle (at least for the Model IV and later) and that
it would be prudent to heed what the manufacturer specifies in this
area.
Keep in mind, your Kitfox doesn't need as much flap deflection as a
Cessna or Piper because those spam cans don't have full-span flaps
like we do.
>...maybe you could measure your flapperon deflection and let us know
>what it is.
Twenty two degrees, which I thought was just what the book called
for. I don't have my manual here or I would look it up for you.
I don't doubt that there are some benefits to having greater
deflection but wandering off into uncharted waters puts you back in
the test pilot seat. That's OK, just be aware of what you're doing.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Unfortunately my builder didn't think of this. I intend to build a wire
that I can clamp to the filler neck, and it has a chain that dangles to the
bottom of the tank. The other end of the wire I'll temporarily ground to
nearby bare metal; either something on the wing or the fuselage. The truck
will attach it's ground to the exhaust, as usual, or to something on the
gear. Maybe I'll fabricate an attachment for them.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Western Norway |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 03:20 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Should come see New Zealand some time too
Now THAT I plan to do. Do you think I could be the first to cross the
Pacific in a Kitfox? (I know, not with a 582!)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
So I'm out there on the ramp, filling my tanks from 5 gal plastic cans. I have
a copper rod connected to my gear leg. But how is this set-up grounded? Doesn't
something have to actually penetrate the earth to provide an effective, static
suppressing "ground?" Local airport management frowns when I pound metal stakes
through the tarmac.
John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
I attach mine to the gear leg and to the copper rod when refueling . when
pulling out rod leave ground on it then disconnect ground from gear leg
Hope this helps ya .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
Do not archive
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: John Anderson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" com>
Where best to ground the a/c like a kitfox? Fuel tank neck, exhaust pipe,
funnel? ~j~
From: Jim Crowder
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder
At 07:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years
>past over at the aurora
>IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was
>working on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was
>5 million in damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were
>destroyed.The good news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
>Joe
My nephew, who also happens to be a pilot, owns a recreational
vehicle business in Louisville, Ky. Two of his mechanics had an RV
over a service pit, and as a part of the work needed to drain the
fuel from the tank so the tank could be removed. They had done this
an infinite number of times before. While the fuel was draining, it
ignited in the catch tank from static electricity. To exit the pit
they had to climb a metal latter at one end, and roll out from under
the very large vehicle. It happened so fast, that when I talked with
them a week latter, neither could even remember who went up the latter
first!
By the time they were out from under the vehicle, it was far too late
for fire extinguishers they had on hand. They all exited the
building, shut the overhead doors, and waited for the fire department
to deal with it. The building was gutted and of course the vehicles
within. I always remember that fire when draining fuel.
Jim Crowder
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Western Norway |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
I tell you, you'll get one hearty welcome if you dooo.. Come see mine any
way..~j~
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Western Norway
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 03:20 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Should come see New Zealand some time too
Now THAT I plan to do. Do you think I could be the first to cross the
Pacific in a Kitfox? (I know, not with a 582!)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks/ethynol |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
HEHEHEH to funny . Ok i forgot to say you are supposed to attach the ground
/ static wire from the ground stake /or from the fuel pump island . Or you
could attach a wire from your own plastic tanks to a ground on you airplane
and to the earth . I would hide a long ground spike in the tarmac near my
hanger to attach my ground wire to. Just dont tell em i told you to do it .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: Marco Menezes
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
So I'm out there on the ramp, filling my tanks from 5 gal plastic cans. I
have a copper rod connected to my gear leg. But how is this set-up grounded?
Doesn't something have to actually penetrate the earth to provide an
effective, static suppressing "ground?" Local airport management frowns
when I pound metal stakes through the tarmac.
John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
I attach mine to the gear leg and to the copper rod when refueling . when
pulling out rod leave ground on it then disconnect ground from gear leg
Hope this helps ya .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
Do not archive
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: John Anderson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" com>
Where best to ground the a/c like a kitfox? Fuel tank neck, exhaust pipe,
funnel? ~j~
From: Jim Crowder
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks/ethynol
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder
At 07:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>This idea of attaching a grounding strap should be a must.Some years
>past over at the aurora
>IL. (ARR) airport a mechanic drained fuel from an airplane he was
>working on using a plastic gas can and plastic funnel.The result was
>5 million in damages .The hangar and all the aircraft inside were
>destroyed.The good news was that no one was seriously hurt.
>
>Joe
My nephew, who also happens to be a pilot, owns a recreational
vehicle business in Louisville, Ky. Two of his mechanics had an RV
over a service pit, and as a part of the work needed to drain the
fuel from the tank so the tank could be removed. They had done this
an infinite number of times before. While the fuel was draining, it
ignited in the catch tank from static electricity. To exit the pit
they had to climb a metal latter at one end, and roll out from under
the very large vehicle. It happened so fast, that when I talked with
them a week latter, neither could even remember who went up the latter
first!
By the time they were out from under the vehicle, it was far too late
for fire extinguishers they had on hand. They all exited the
building, shut the overhead doors, and waited for the fire department
to deal with it. The building was gutted and of course the vehicles
within. I always remember that fire when draining fuel.
Jim Crowder
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Michael Gibbs [MichaelGibbs@cox.net]
> Twenty two degrees, which I thought was just what the book called
> for. I don't have my manual here or I would look it up for you.
I can confirm that 22 degrees is what the manual for the model 3, says.
Michel
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