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1. 03:39 AM - landings Flaperons (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: landings Flaperons (kitfox@gto.net)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: painting Lp Aero doors (Paul Seehafer)
4. 04:24 AM - Re: Tips for fitting LP Bubble doors and/or windshield - sharing information (Don Smythe)
5. 04:51 AM - Re: painting Lp Aero doors (Paul Seehafer)
6. 05:08 AM - Re: Tips for fitting LP Bubble doors and/or windshield - sharing information (kitfox@gto.net)
7. 05:54 AM - SV: landings Flaperons (Michel Verheughe)
8. 05:59 AM - SV: Crossing the Pacific (Michel Verheughe)
9. 07:32 AM - Re: Grove Gear (Mdkitfox@AOL.COM)
10. 07:59 AM - Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's (Harris, Robert)
11. 08:04 AM - Re: Crossing the Pacific (Guy Buchanan)
12. 08:10 AM - Embarassed ? (kitfox@gto.net)
13. 08:41 AM - Re: landings FLapperons (jareds)
14. 08:50 AM - 582 Cruise RPM (jareds)
15. 08:55 AM - Grove Gear tilt?Re: Grove Gear (Harris, Robert)
16. 08:59 AM - Re: Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's (Alan Blind)
17. 09:00 AM - Re: landings FLapperons (kitfox@gto.net)
18. 09:24 AM - Re: 582 Cruise RPM (kitfox@gto.net)
19. 09:28 AM - Re: Night VFR (jareds)
20. 09:36 AM - Re: Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's (Clifford Begnaud)
21. 09:38 AM - Elevator Assist-A Must Have for V-VII's (Harris, Robert)
22. 10:47 AM - Re: Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's (Alan Blind)
23. 10:49 AM - Fw: Clear coated gear (Bob Unternaehrer)
24. 10:50 AM - Re: kitfox parts wanted (Raystuff7@aol.com)
25. 11:07 AM - Wing Stands (Hank)
26. 11:37 AM - Re: 582 Cruise RPM (Andrew Matthaey)
27. 11:54 AM - Re: Night VFR (Andrew Matthaey)
28. 12:44 PM - Re: Night VFR (Michel Verheughe)
29. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: 582 Cruise RPM ()
30. 02:03 PM - Re: Night VFR (flier)
31. 02:04 PM - Re: Embarassed ? (kitfox@gto.net)
32. 02:53 PM - Re: Embarassed ? (Ron Liebmann)
33. 03:15 PM - Re: Night VFR (Andrew Matthaey)
34. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: 582 Cruise RPM (Andrew Matthaey)
35. 03:18 PM - Re: Night VFR (Andrew Matthaey)
36. 03:21 PM - Re: painting Lp Aero doors / Plexi Primer (Ceashman@aol.com)
37. 04:23 PM - Kitfox-like aircraft kit for sale on Barnstormers (Todd Lesh)
38. 04:23 PM - Trim assist for the elevator (Fox5flyer)
39. 04:58 PM - Re: Embarassed ? (Steve Zakreski)
40. 05:14 PM - carb. heat (Eric)
41. 05:24 PM - Re: Embarassed ? (Lynn Matteson)
42. 05:48 PM - Re: 582 Cruise RPM (Bruce Harrington)
43. 05:49 PM - Re: Trim assist for the elevator (Clifford Begnaud)
44. 06:03 PM - Re: Fw: Clear coated gear (Cudnohufsky's)
45. 06:07 PM - Re: Night VFR (Cudnohufsky's)
46. 06:09 PM - Re: carb. heat (Donna and Roger McConnell)
47. 06:19 PM - Re: carb. heat (Eric)
48. 06:42 PM - Re: carb. heat (Wwillyard@AOL.COM)
49. 06:51 PM - Re: Trim assist for the elevator (Fox5flyer)
50. 07:28 PM - Re: 582 Cruise RPM (jareds)
51. 07:43 PM - Re: Trim assist for the elevator (Guy Buchanan)
52. 07:52 PM - Re: carb. heat (Paul Seehafer)
53. 08:19 PM - Re: carb. heat (Guy Buchanan)
54. 08:19 PM - Re: Night VFR (Steve Zakreski)
55. 09:32 PM - Re: Night VFR (Andrew Matthaey)
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| Subject: | landings Flaperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kitfox@gto.net
> Am i the only one that has measured 4 now and all 30 degree to 33
> degree on model IV's
Here is how I measured the angle on my model 3, Kirby: I put a piece of paper,
inside the cockpit, on the nylon bearing of the flaperon. I mark the position
of the lever as a pencil line. I pull full flaps out and I mark another line.
Of course, it could be a couple of degrees of error, due to drawing accuracy.
But, when done, I measure a modest ten degrees for my model 3.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: landings Flaperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Michel, How I measure is center the stick and secure it with seat belt .
measure both flapperons with inclinometer so you know it centered.
Then put inclinomoter on top of flapperon at the flattest part and the
record setting or zero it -if you can.
In my case it was 10 degree Flaps up then pulll flapperon handle and
extend to full down and i record 43 degrees.
check other side and same readings.
I had to have it calibrated for first inspection and placarded as well.
Also I had to put white band on ASI for flap operating range 25 to
75 mph.
Kirby.....
Subject: Kitfox-List: landings Flaperons
> > From: kitfox@gto.net
> > Am i the only one that has measured 4 now and all 30 degree to 33
> > degree on model IV's
>
> Here is how I measured the angle on my model 3, Kirby: I put a piece
of paper, inside the cockpit, on the nylon bearing of the flaperon. I
mark the position of the lever as a pencil line. I pull full flaps out
and I mark another line. Of course, it could be a couple of degrees of
error, due to drawing accuracy. But, when done, I measure a modest ten
degrees for my model 3.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: painting Lp Aero doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Thanks David. I'll give it a try on a piece of scrap like was suggested in
an earlier post. I am going to try it without primer so it looks good from
the inside (primer color wouldn't match, plus I'm pretty sure aerothane will
stick just fine if I scuff with a 3m pad like John Kerr suggested). When or
if it peels, I'll figure out what to do then.
Paul Seehafer
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: painting Lp Aero doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
>
> I did use an epoxy primer (polyfiber). My doors have an aluminum strip on
> the inside edge and I only painted the window the same width as the alum.
> strip.
>
> David
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| Subject: | Re: Tips for fitting LP Bubble doors and/or windshield - |
sharing information
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I'm sorry Mr. Kirby. I'll try not to post such stupid things again. I
wished you had been on this list 10 years ago. It might have saved me from
making so many mistakes.
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
> with lexan up to .092 -- 2mil I use good tin snips to cut .
> Do the straight edges with a hand plane.
> could not be easier.
>
>
> Kirby
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| Subject: | Re: painting Lp Aero doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Thanks for the great information Eric! I used to oversee a large bodyshop
(incidentally bought thousands a month from Azko/Sikkens), yet had never
heard of clear primer for plexi. I will definitely check into that.
Paul
don not archive
> Hello Paul.
> My suggestion is to look though the yellow pages and find "Sign
> Manufacturing" The people who make back lit illuminated signs for store
> fronts,gas stations
> and the like. You see the signs all over the place!
> These people spray the acrylic or polycarbonate all day. The special
> transparent paint (top allow the fluorescent light though, is on the
> inside of the
> sign face usually and not on the exposed side to the weather.
> If they have to apply paint on the outside face this is a "normal paint"
> they
> will use a special clear primer, ours is a product called VPS1. Then they
> will coat it with the color they desire, that will be durable on the
> outside
> face..
> If you are looking for something special I would suggest: 1)On the inside
> of
> your window, clean with rubbing alcohol and water mix 50:50 only, wipe dry
> with a chamois cloth. Do not use harsh solvents which will break down the
> lexan.
> 2) Spray a coat of the clear primer to the area of plexiglass.3) spray the
> color. If it is a basecoat, step 4) apply a coat of clear.
> So, find a sign fabricating shop, make friends, ask them for a clear
> primer
> that they use on acrylic or polycarbonate sign faces. Who knows, they may
> give
> you a pint. It is a single component (no hardener) product so it will last
> a
> long time.
> I work for Akzo Nobel But the car refinishing segment. We have a sign
> finishes segment.
> You may look at www.signfinishes.com.
> Do not sand the plexiglass, if there are stress areas from heat molding,
> there could be premature cracking or crazing when coatings are applied.
> With the
> clear primer you do not need to scuff or sand it is made to stick to
> smooth
> plexi and will not attack the plexi.
> Hope this helps and you find a supportive sign company.
> Cheers Eric.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tips for fitting LP Bubble doors and/or windshield - |
sharing information
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Don, Sorry did i miss something?
sound s like someone pee'ed on your cornflakes.
If i had time ten years ago to post on inet i would have . I only been
retired for 8 years now. I am only 46 now but have much more time and
3 more kids in last 8 years. Retired life is good.
time to take them to school now.
Kirby..........
Maybe you could measure your flapperons to compare?
Thanks again
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tips for fitting LP Bubble doors and/or
windshield - sharing information
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> I'm sorry Mr. Kirby. I'll try not to post such stupid things again.
I
> wished you had been on this list 10 years ago. It might have saved
me from
> making so many mistakes.
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV W/ 582
> > with lexan up to .092 -- 2mil I use good tin snips to cut .
> > Do the straight edges with a hand plane.
> > could not be easier.
> >
> >
> > Kirby
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| Subject: | landings Flaperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kitfox@gto.net
> Michel, How I measure is center the stick and secure it with seat belt .
> measure both flapperons with inclinometer so you know it centered.
Then you did it in a much accurate way than what I did, Kirby. As you probably
know, my Kitfox was built by someone else, someone who did a fantastic job, I
was very lucky to purchase that plane.
What I have to do, every year, is to measure the displacement of all of my controls.
It's for the "red tape" guys. Knowing that my plane flies well, I do a superficial
estimate.
> Also I had to put white band on ASI for flap operating range 25 to
> 75 mph.
Good point. This should also be there. Yet, I don't have it and no inspector has
mention it, yet.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Crossing the Pacific |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
> I totally agree that crossing the Pacific in a Kitfox would be a huge
> challenge BUT why not with a 582. I love twostrokes !
I agree, Rex. It is not the engine, in itself, it is the installation and maintenance.
I'd rather fly a 582 I know well, and know it's well installed, than a
four-stroker that has a history of over-heating or fuel starvation.
About the Pacific ... If one day I come and visit you, down under, I think I'll
fly the Asian way! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Lloyd,
I have the elevator for a model V. You can give me a call if this would
help you. 301-805-9584
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
John McBean's Elevator Assist is a "must have" for the Series V, VI and
VII's. It's easy to install costs less than $100 and will put a big smile on
your face when you see the elevator magically levitate. After you install
the elevator assist your plane will virtually land itself. This device makes
your elevator erect to the neutral position so you don't have to apply back
pressure to the elevator while landing. It will also make your plane look
better while not in use because the elevator stays erect (neutral position)
at all times and it takes the pressure off the controls.
This is a "Must Have."
Robert
Series V 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Crossing the Pacific |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:41 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:
>I totally agree that crossing the Pacific in a Kitfox would be a huge
>challenge BUT why not with a 582. I love twostrokes !
Well let's see. I fired up my Flightstar to see what it would take to get
to Hawaii. I don't have my Kitfox modeled yet, but I did find a Cessna 150
that burned about 7 gph at cruise. Using that aircraft and flying at 12,500
for maximum endurance, it would take 23.8 hours, (no wind,) and about 90 g
of fuel. That works out to a gross weight of about 1400 pounds for my
Kitfox. It might be possible, but it would be right up there with
Lindbergh's flight across the Atlantic!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Sorry to anyone offended but I post how I see it .
I don't need anything but facts when it comes ot aviation and try to
help where i can.
If you guys not like me on this list get me removed.
I will post what i know as educated facts and I will tell you when you
wrong.
If you cannot accept the facts, well ---that is up to you.
I have over 25 years aviation exp. as pilot with ratings/endorsements
and have spend time building and a few licenses in the field. If you
think you know a beter way well lets hear about it.
But please don;'t whine to me then cry about it later.
No embarassemnt here at all, I would sooner know the clear picture than
a distorted one.
Kirby .............. really wonders about some people :-)
Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Off List
> Kirby, I'm keeping this off list so as to avoid embarassment.
> Congratulations on your retired life.
> Your statement below was uncalled for and I think you owe Don an
apology.
> Maybe your persistent posts could be toned down a bit to something a
little
> less demanding. You may get some responses.
> Chill out.
> Deke Morisse
> Kitfox List Administrator
>
> >
> > Don, Sorry did i miss something?
> > sound s like someone pee'ed on your cornflakes.
> > If i had time ten years ago to post on inet i would have . I only
been
> > retired for 8 years now. I am only 46 now but have much more time
and
> > 3 more kids in last 8 years. Retired life is good.
> >
> > time to take them to school now.
> >
> >
> > Kirby..........
> >
> >
> > Maybe you could measure your flapperons to compare?
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tips for fitting LP Bubble doors and/or
> > windshield - sharing information
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe"
<dosmythe@cox.net>
> > >
> > > I'm sorry Mr. Kirby. I'll try not to post such stupid things
again.
> > I
> > > wished you had been on this list 10 years ago. It might have
saved
> > me from
> > > making so many mistakes.
> > >
> > > Don Smythe
> > > Classic IV W/ 582
> > > > with lexan up to .092 -- 2mil I use good tin snips to cut .
> > > > Do the straight edges with a hand plane.
> > > > could not be easier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kirby
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Sport Aviation this month outlined an article mirroring your comments
about flaps for short and soft field scenarios. It was good to read
that last night and now see instances with the KF list backing up those
thories.
While reading the article they outlined some basic practices that could
be used from craft to craft but mentioned referring to POH for your
particular model of plane. These examples help decide what degree is
most appropriate with our configurations.
Thanks
kitfox@gto.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
>Mike G ,
>
> Where do you get this stuff about 30 degrees is too much ?
>I more than interested in fact and where is this written that 30
>degrees is too much?
>I have checked a few other Model IV and they both over 30 degrees as
>well.
>Maybe a whole bunch are made wrong? sure possible but i not sure.
>
>The Flappersons deployed as MAX down and in my case 33 degrees give
>that extra boost to break suction on glassy water or even on Wheels or
>skis but the do create some drag and you want to get rid of some as
>soon as you get nose donw adn some speed.
>
>now for landing i did state that i use up to 20 degrees as I find the
>roll control a bit funky beyond that .
>
>Flapperons on Kitfox Iv do seem to make it a better performer than
>without flapperons. But if you do not know how to use flaps and
>benefit from them I guess they would not seem practical to some.
>
>Mike maybe you could measure your flapperon deflection and let us know
>what it is.
>
>
>Kirby .............
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
>>
>>
><MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
>
>>>Pretty simple way to check is use a inclinometer on the Flaperons.
>>>Has anyone else does theirs?
>>>
>>>
>>When I asked my original question about 22 degrees (or 25 degrees)
>>being the book limit I had something else in mind.
>>
>>It seems that if your flaperons extend significantly beyond what the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>book calls for, your flaperons are not rigged properly. When I
>>pulled my flap handle all the way up (back), I got 22 degrees of
>>deflection. With that arrangement, I could pull nearly full flaps
>>before I noticed any limitation in aileron deflection.
>>
>>If you are getting 30 or more degrees with the handle pulled all the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>way I would pull the seats out, get the construction manual out, and
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>re-check all of the linkages in and out of the mixer assembly. The
>>book is pretty specific about the rod end adjustments and the stick
>>versus flaperon movements.
>>
>>Advice that's worth what you paid for it. :-)
>>
>>Mike G.
>>N728KF
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I searched the archives but did not see specific comments on this
topic. Recently some cross country delays got me a bit nervous about
landing on my unlighted field as i was miles from making it back before
dusk set in. Typically i cruise at what i had heard was optimum rpm for
efficiency of the 582 > 6000rpm.
But in an attempt to make it back to the field so that i didnt have to
use an alternate lighted field i pushed the rpms cruise to around 6200.
Normally at 6000 i get about 84 mph ground on the gps's but at 6200 I
was able to get 92 for those last 14 minutes and made it home safely
before the runway was too dark to see.
Any comments on extended or brief RPM sessions around that 6200 rpm range?
kitfox@gto.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
>Mike G ,
>
> Where do you get this stuff about 30 degrees is too much ?
>I more than interested in fact and where is this written that 30
>degrees is too much?
>I have checked a few other Model IV and they both over 30 degrees as
>well.
>Maybe a whole bunch are made wrong? sure possible but i not sure.
>
>The Flappersons deployed as MAX down and in my case 33 degrees give
>that extra boost to break suction on glassy water or even on Wheels or
>skis but the do create some drag and you want to get rid of some as
>soon as you get nose donw adn some speed.
>
>now for landing i did state that i use up to 20 degrees as I find the
>roll control a bit funky beyond that .
>
>Flapperons on Kitfox Iv do seem to make it a better performer than
>without flapperons. But if you do not know how to use flaps and
>benefit from them I guess they would not seem practical to some.
>
>Mike maybe you could measure your flapperon deflection and let us know
>what it is.
>
>
>Kirby .............
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
>>
>>
><MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
>
>>>Pretty simple way to check is use a inclinometer on the Flaperons.
>>>Has anyone else does theirs?
>>>
>>>
>>When I asked my original question about 22 degrees (or 25 degrees)
>>being the book limit I had something else in mind.
>>
>>It seems that if your flaperons extend significantly beyond what the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>book calls for, your flaperons are not rigged properly. When I
>>pulled my flap handle all the way up (back), I got 22 degrees of
>>deflection. With that arrangement, I could pull nearly full flaps
>>before I noticed any limitation in aileron deflection.
>>
>>If you are getting 30 or more degrees with the handle pulled all the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>way I would pull the seats out, get the construction manual out, and
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>re-check all of the linkages in and out of the mixer assembly. The
>>book is pretty specific about the rod end adjustments and the stick
>>versus flaperon movements.
>>
>>Advice that's worth what you paid for it. :-)
>>
>>Mike G.
>>N728KF
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Do all of the Series, VI, and VII Grove Gear have this 9 degree tilt? My
Grove Gear tires are also tipped in about 9 degrees and I'm sure this will
make my bad landings even worse.
Robert
Series V 0200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cudnohufsky's
Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Gents,
I know we have discussed before, but, my grove gear tires are tipped in 9
degrees top to bottom each side, anyone ever try taking some out besides
sending back to factory? I would like to reduce to 2 degrees simply for my
preference. Anyone ever polish their gear? And last I am looking for a
horizontal stabelizer for a 5.
Lloyd
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| Subject: | Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Blind <alanblind@direcway.com>
Sorry to ask if everyone else knows the answer. I have been away for some
time. How does one buy this elevator assist from Jim McBean?
Alan Blind
N61AB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
--> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
John McBean's Elevator Assist is a "must have" for the Series V, VI and
VII's. It's easy to install costs less than $100 and will put a big smile on
your face when you see the elevator magically levitate. After you install
the elevator assist your plane will virtually land itself. This device makes
your elevator erect to the neutral position so you don't have to apply back
pressure to the elevator while landing. It will also make your plane look
better while not in use because the elevator stays erect (neutral position)
at all times and it takes the pressure off the controls.
This is a "Must Have."
Robert
Series V 0200
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| Subject: | Re: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Hi jareds,
Do you have a link for t hat article ?
Kirby
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landings FLapperons
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Sport Aviation this month outlined an article mirroring your comments
> about flaps for short and soft field scenarios. It was good to read
> that last night and now see instances with the KF list backing up
those
> thories.
> While reading the article they outlined some basic practices that
could
> be used from craft to craft but mentioned referring to POH for your
> particular model of plane. These examples help decide what degree is
> most appropriate with our configurations.
>
> Thanks
>
> kitfox@gto.net wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
> >
> >Mike G ,
> >
> > Where do you get this stuff about 30 degrees is too much ?
> >I more than interested in fact and where is this written that 30
> >degrees is too much?
> >I have checked a few other Model IV and they both over 30 degrees
as
> >well.
> >Maybe a whole bunch are made wrong? sure possible but i not sure.
> >
> >The Flappersons deployed as MAX down and in my case 33 degrees give
> >that extra boost to break suction on glassy water or even on Wheels
or
> >skis but the do create some drag and you want to get rid of some as
> >soon as you get nose donw adn some speed.
> >
> >now for landing i did state that i use up to 20 degrees as I find
the
> >roll control a bit funky beyond that .
> >
> >Flapperons on Kitfox Iv do seem to make it a better performer than
> >without flapperons. But if you do not know how to use flaps and
> >benefit from them I guess they would not seem practical to some.
> >
> >Mike maybe you could measure your flapperon deflection and let us
know
> >what it is.
> >
> >
> >Kirby .............
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> >>
> >>
> ><MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >
> >
> >>>Pretty simple way to check is use a inclinometer on the
Flaperons.
> >>>Has anyone else does theirs?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>When I asked my original question about 22 degrees (or 25 degrees)
> >>being the book limit I had something else in mind.
> >>
> >>It seems that if your flaperons extend significantly beyond what
the
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>book calls for, your flaperons are not rigged properly. When I
> >>pulled my flap handle all the way up (back), I got 22 degrees of
> >>deflection. With that arrangement, I could pull nearly full flaps
> >>before I noticed any limitation in aileron deflection.
> >>
> >>If you are getting 30 or more degrees with the handle pulled all
the
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>way I would pull the seats out, get the construction manual out,
and
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>re-check all of the linkages in and out of the mixer assembly. The
> >>book is pretty specific about the rod end adjustments and the stick
> >>versus flaperon movements.
> >>
> >>Advice that's worth what you paid for it. :-)
> >>
> >>Mike G.
> >>N728KF
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cruise RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
Hi Jareds,
I cruise about 5600 to 6000 rpm but mostly 5800 to 6000 as they seem
to run well here. I get average 80 to 82 mph crusie on Amphib floats
via GPS now. I have about 310 hours on this 582 now and it just started
to show some milky oil in the rotary valve oil How do you know ? well
you check it and since coolant is getting in it will allow the RV
reservoir to over flow and hence you get oil leakage.
I had a 2 hour flight yesterday and i think that will be it -- gonna
try to get engine off today and send it out to Bob Robertson in Canada
as he is one of the best Rotax guys around that we use over and over.
With the RV shaft leaking coolant any firther running will put more
coolant into bearings and you know bearing like oil not water/cooolant.
You sould give Bob a call as he will give you the straight answer on
All your Rotax queries. He teaches the rotax Classes as well. Message
me off list if you need his conatct info.
Kirby..........
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cruise RPM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> I searched the archives but did not see specific comments on this
> topic. Recently some cross country delays got me a bit nervous about
> landing on my unlighted field as i was miles from making it back
before
> dusk set in. Typically i cruise at what i had heard was optimum rpm
for
> efficiency of the 582 > 6000rpm.
> But in an attempt to make it back to the field so that i didnt have
to
> use an alternate lighted field i pushed the rpms cruise to around
6200.
> Normally at 6000 i get about 84 mph ground on the gps's but at 6200 I
> was able to get 92 for those last 14 minutes and made it home safely
> before the runway was too dark to see.
>
> Any comments on extended or brief RPM sessions around that 6200 rpm
range?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Andrew,
Even in GA craft I'm a little hesitant after losing an engine outside of
DC at night several years ago but with my 2 stroke 582 I try to avoid it
even more. None the less I did build my fox for night flight and even
had a discussion with the FAA during inspection and as long as the
lighting meets the FAR there is no problem flying at night. Using your
peripheral vision on the flare on the runway lights and being certain
your headlights are aimed correctly is key. I found out recently that
one light had moved
Fly safe!!
Andrew Matthaey wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
>Does anybody on the list fly their 'Fox night VFR? I would like to, but...Do
>I need a field approval? Is there any paperwork? My exterior lighting meets
>the requirements of FAR 91.205, but the regs make no mention of interior and
>instrument lighting...I will, of course, be lighting my instruments, and
>carrying plenty of flashlight and battery power, but...Any comments,
>suggestions?
>
>Thanks!
>Andrew
>
>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Alan,
Look here: http://www.sportplanellc.com/
I have the elevator assist also and love it.
Cliff
S5 Lyc 0-235
>
> Sorry to ask if everyone else knows the answer. I have been away for some
> time. How does one buy this elevator assist from Jim McBean?
>
> Alan Blind
> N61AB
>
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| Subject: | Elevator Assist-A Must Have for V-VII's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Alan,
John's website is www.sportplanellc.com which has his phone number so you
can call him. I ordered mine a few weeks ago and he mailed it out the same
day via DHL. Once you install it you will see how great it is. This is by
far one of the best Modifications you can do to your plane and it's so easy
to install (almost as easy as changing a spark plug). I'd choose this
modification (mods) over most other mods such as an in-flight adjustable
prop. It will make your landings so much easier because you can trim your
approach speed for hands off flying instead of fighting the stick.
Robert
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| Subject: | Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Blind <alanblind@direcway.com>
Thanks for the link. I thought I was the only model V with O-200 that would
not trim out with full flap landings. - Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Viagra-A Must Have for V-VII's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
--> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Alan,
Look here: http://www.sportplanellc.com/ I have the elevator assist also and
love it.
Cliff
S5 Lyc 0-235
>
> Sorry to ask if everyone else knows the answer. I have been away for
> some time. How does one buy this elevator assist from Jim McBean?
>
> Alan Blind
> N61AB
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Clear coated gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Unternaehrer
Subject: Clear coated gear
<<>>
I Polished my grove gear ,,,, then had it powdercoated "clear". I'd sure recommend
you just try the standard gear, rather than having it re-bent. It's prettly
well proven to be correct, other than the IF the factory somehow made a mistake.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox parts wanted |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Raystuff7@aol.com
Eric,
I have a new (still in the crate) left wing and a right flaperon for a Kitfox
6. I built the Kitfox 6 and had these parts left over from a freight claim.
I understand the difference in the Speedster wing and a standard wing is that
the wing is cut off so that it is 18 inches shorter on each side. When I
built the Kitfox 6, I sawed the wings off on my Kitfox 6 to make a Speedster
wing. It flies fiine but but I am told the stall speed is slightly faster.
If you need parts of the opposite side, I believe the ribs can be cut loose
from the spars and twisted in the opposite direction and re-glued.
Ray Ward
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank <hank@hankseidel.com>
Hi,
I have a set of "wing stands" that were build to facilitate the
covering of Kitfox wings. The wing fits between them and they allow
the wing to be rotated. Free to whoever wants to pick them up. I live
about 100 miles NNW of Houston in College Station, TX.
Hank
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
6200 is a perfectly acceptable cruise RPM for the 582...just don't expect
the engine to last too long. The 300 hr TBO is good for when running that
hard. Personally, I'm usually in no huge rush to get anywhere, so I
throttle back to 5000/5200 RPM, open the doors, and enjoy the breeze at
about 65 mph...I cruised this way all the way from Maine to Virginia (11
flying hrs each way)...
Also, being a dirt-poor, full-time college student, I cannot afford the gas
for running the motor that fast, but most importantly, what an overhaul will
cost me. I put 100 hrs on the 'Fox this summer. At that rate, I can expect
to shell out a good 2500 for a rebuild by next August! Running the motor in
the low 5K's, I can expect to go a good 600 hrs to overhaul...
Andrew
>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cruise RPM
>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:55:43 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>I searched the archives but did not see specific comments on this
>topic. Recently some cross country delays got me a bit nervous about
>landing on my unlighted field as i was miles from making it back before
>dusk set in. Typically i cruise at what i had heard was optimum rpm for
>efficiency of the 582 > 6000rpm.
>But in an attempt to make it back to the field so that i didnt have to
>use an alternate lighted field i pushed the rpms cruise to around 6200.
>Normally at 6000 i get about 84 mph ground on the gps's but at 6200 I
>was able to get 92 for those last 14 minutes and made it home safely
>before the runway was too dark to see.
>
>Any comments on extended or brief RPM sessions around that 6200 rpm range?
>
>kitfox@gto.net wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
> >
> >Mike G ,
> >
> > Where do you get this stuff about 30 degrees is too much ?
> >I more than interested in fact and where is this written that 30
> >degrees is too much?
> >I have checked a few other Model IV and they both over 30 degrees as
> >well.
> >Maybe a whole bunch are made wrong? sure possible but i not sure.
> >
> >The Flappersons deployed as MAX down and in my case 33 degrees give
> >that extra boost to break suction on glassy water or even on Wheels or
> >skis but the do create some drag and you want to get rid of some as
> >soon as you get nose donw adn some speed.
> >
> >now for landing i did state that i use up to 20 degrees as I find the
> >roll control a bit funky beyond that .
> >
> >Flapperons on Kitfox Iv do seem to make it a better performer than
> >without flapperons. But if you do not know how to use flaps and
> >benefit from them I guess they would not seem practical to some.
> >
> >Mike maybe you could measure your flapperon deflection and let us know
> >what it is.
> >
> >
> >Kirby .............
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> >>
> >>
> ><MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >
> >
> >>>Pretty simple way to check is use a inclinometer on the Flaperons.
> >>>Has anyone else does theirs?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>When I asked my original question about 22 degrees (or 25 degrees)
> >>being the book limit I had something else in mind.
> >>
> >>It seems that if your flaperons extend significantly beyond what the
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>book calls for, your flaperons are not rigged properly. When I
> >>pulled my flap handle all the way up (back), I got 22 degrees of
> >>deflection. With that arrangement, I could pull nearly full flaps
> >>before I noticed any limitation in aileron deflection.
> >>
> >>If you are getting 30 or more degrees with the handle pulled all the
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>way I would pull the seats out, get the construction manual out, and
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>re-check all of the linkages in and out of the mixer assembly. The
> >>book is pretty specific about the rod end adjustments and the stick
> >>versus flaperon movements.
> >>
> >>Advice that's worth what you paid for it. :-)
> >>
> >>Mike G.
> >>N728KF
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
I will be installing my interior lighting this weekend...exterior is all in
place. I love flying at night - I fly GA as well, but I'm sure nothing
beats going up in the Kitfox...Of course I will be very conservative with my
flying, and stay HIGH, and I will also be purchasing a good GPS because
unless you plan on flying the major highways at night, Pilotage doesn't work
that great - and I've got no VOR...
Can't wait!!!
Andrew
>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:34:01 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>Andrew,
>
>Even in GA craft I'm a little hesitant after losing an engine outside of
>DC at night several years ago but with my 2 stroke 582 I try to avoid it
>even more. None the less I did build my fox for night flight and even
>had a discussion with the FAA during inspection and as long as the
>lighting meets the FAR there is no problem flying at night. Using your
>peripheral vision on the flare on the runway lights and being certain
>your headlights are aimed correctly is key. I found out recently that
>one light had moved
>
>Fly safe!!
>
>Andrew Matthaey wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Does anybody on the list fly their 'Fox night VFR? I would like to,
>but...Do
> >I need a field approval? Is there any paperwork? My exterior lighting
>meets
> >the requirements of FAR 91.205, but the regs make no mention of interior
>and
> >instrument lighting...I will, of course, be lighting my instruments, and
> >carrying plenty of flashlight and battery power, but...Any comments,
> >suggestions?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Andrew
> >
> >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> I love flying at night
That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight license, I can't fly
at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I like it very
much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my position from
bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago is very complex
but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white sector. When it gets
red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's very exciting to
pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the right track
because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel and made it
safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-)
Enjoy your night flying, friend!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cruise RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
Good info. Other than my night flight recently I fly exactly the same .... doors
open .......low and slow.
But wanted the opinions of others that have the facts as to what is acceptable
for brief periods and in general.
thanks again.
>From: Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thu Sep 08 13:36:18 CDT 2005
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Cruise RPM
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
>6200 is a perfectly acceptable cruise RPM for the 582...just don't expect
>the engine to last too long. The 300 hr TBO is good for when running that
>hard. Personally, I'm usually in no huge rush to get anywhere, so I
>throttle back to 5000/5200 RPM, open the doors, and enjoy the breeze at
>about 65 mph...I cruised this way all the way from Maine to Virginia (11
>flying hrs each way)...
>
>Also, being a dirt-poor, full-time college student, I cannot afford the gas
>for running the motor that fast, but most importantly, what an overhaul will
>cost me. I put 100 hrs on the 'Fox this summer. At that rate, I can expect
>to shell out a good 2500 for a rebuild by next August! Running the motor in
>the low 5K's, I can expect to go a good 600 hrs to overhaul...
>
>Andrew
>
>
>>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cruise RPM
>>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:55:43 -0500
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>I searched the archives but did not see specific comments on this
>>topic. Recently some cross country delays got me a bit nervous about
>>landing on my unlighted field as i was miles from making it back before
>>dusk set in. Typically i cruise at what i had heard was optimum rpm for
>>efficiency of the 582 > 6000rpm.
>>But in an attempt to make it back to the field so that i didnt have to
>>use an alternate lighted field i pushed the rpms cruise to around 6200.
>>Normally at 6000 i get about 84 mph ground on the gps's but at 6200 I
>>was able to get 92 for those last 14 minutes and made it home safely
>>before the runway was too dark to see.
>>
>>Any comments on extended or brief RPM sessions around that 6200 rpm range?
>>
>>kitfox@gto.net wrote:
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>> >
>> >Mike G ,
>> >
>> > Where do you get this stuff about 30 degrees is too much ?
>> >I more than interested in fact and where is this written that 30
>> >degrees is too much?
>> >I have checked a few other Model IV and they both over 30 degrees as
>> >well.
>> >Maybe a whole bunch are made wrong? sure possible but i not sure.
>> >
>> >The Flappersons deployed as MAX down and in my case 33 degrees give
>> >that extra boost to break suction on glassy water or even on Wheels or
>> >skis but the do create some drag and you want to get rid of some as
>> >soon as you get nose donw adn some speed.
>> >
>> >now for landing i did state that i use up to 20 degrees as I find the
>> >roll control a bit funky beyond that .
>> >
>> >Flapperons on Kitfox Iv do seem to make it a better performer than
>> >without flapperons. But if you do not know how to use flaps and
>> >benefit from them I guess they would not seem practical to some.
>> >
>> >Mike maybe you could measure your flapperon deflection and let us know
>> >what it is.
>> >
>> >
>> >Kirby .............
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
>> >>
>> >>
>> ><MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>> >
>> >
>> >>>Pretty simple way to check is use a inclinometer on the Flaperons.
>> >>>Has anyone else does theirs?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>When I asked my original question about 22 degrees (or 25 degrees)
>> >>being the book limit I had something else in mind.
>> >>
>> >>It seems that if your flaperons extend significantly beyond what the
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>book calls for, your flaperons are not rigged properly. When I
>> >>pulled my flap handle all the way up (back), I got 22 degrees of
>> >>deflection. With that arrangement, I could pull nearly full flaps
>> >>before I noticed any limitation in aileron deflection.
>> >>
>> >>If you are getting 30 or more degrees with the handle pulled all the
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>way I would pull the seats out, get the construction manual out, and
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>re-check all of the linkages in and out of the mixer assembly. The
>> >>book is pretty specific about the rod end adjustments and the stick
>> >>versus flaperon movements.
>> >>
>> >>Advice that's worth what you paid for it. :-)
>> >>
>> >>Mike G.
>> >>N728KF
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
You might want to check your operating limitations
that apply to your airworthiness certificate just to
be sure. Some experimentals have a day-only standard
limitation if the aircraft didn't have lights during
the airworthiness inspection and/or if night wasn't
requested. If so, you'll need to get your operating
limitations updated.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
>I will be installing my interior lighting this
weekend...exterior is all in
>place. I love flying at night - I fly GA as well,
but I'm sure nothing
>beats going up in the Kitfox...Of course I will be
very conservative with my
>flying, and stay HIGH, and I will also be purchasing
a good GPS because
>unless you plan on flying the major highways at
night, Pilotage doesn't work
>that great - and I've got no VOR...
>
>Can't wait!!!
>
>Andrew
>
>
>>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-
list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:34:01 -0500
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
<jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>Andrew,
>>
>>Even in GA craft I'm a little hesitant after losing
an engine outside of
>>DC at night several years ago but with my 2 stroke
582 I try to avoid it
>>even more. None the less I did build my fox for
night flight and even
>>had a discussion with the FAA during inspection and
as long as the
>>lighting meets the FAR there is no problem flying
at night. Using your
>>peripheral vision on the flare on the runway lights
and being certain
>>your headlights are aimed correctly is key. I
found out recently that
>>one light had moved
>>
>>Fly safe!!
>>
>>Andrew Matthaey wrote:
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew
Matthaey"
>><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> >Does anybody on the list fly their 'Fox night
VFR? I would like to,
>>but...Do
>> >I need a field approval? Is there any paperwork?
My exterior lighting
>>meets
>> >the requirements of FAR 91.205, but the regs make
no mention of interior
>>and
>> >instrument lighting...I will, of course, be
lighting my instruments, and
>> >carrying plenty of flashlight and battery power,
but...Any comments,
>> >suggestions?
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >Andrew
>> >
>> >http://toolbar.msn.click-
url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN
Search!
>http://search.msn.click-
url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Embarassed ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
litte hisssy fits
don't get your own way
boot em off
pathetic whiner DEKE O GEEKO
-
---- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: Embarassed ?
> I sent you the warning offlist, but you replied and included my
message
> publicly to the List without any remorse. Sorry Kirby. Last straw.
You're
> history.
> Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Embarassed ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Deke, thanks much for getting rid of that nasty, immature person...
Ron
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
> litte hisssy fits
>
> don't get your own way
> boot em off
>
> pathetic whiner DEKE O GEEKO
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out of school - a
little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see Norway...I'm
mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for Virgin Atlantic
Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I almost got a
non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead though!
I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to allow pilots
to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket...
Andrew
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> > I love flying at night
>
>That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight license, I can't
>fly
>at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I like it very
>much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my position from
>bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago is very
>complex
>but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white sector. When it
>gets
>red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's very exciting
>to
>pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the right track
>because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel and made it
>safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-)
>
>Enjoy your night flying, friend!
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cruise RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
No Problem Jared...If you're trying to out-run the setting sun, or a
thunderstorm, 6200 is well below Max Continuous power setting. Fly safe
(low and slow!!!)
Andrew
>From: <jareds@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Cruise RPM
>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:04:02 -0500 (CDT)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>Good info. Other than my night flight recently I fly exactly the same ....
>doors open .......low and slow.
>But wanted the opinions of others that have the facts as to what is
>acceptable for brief periods and in general.
>
>thanks again.
>
> >From: Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> >Date: Thu Sep 08 13:36:18 CDT 2005
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Cruise RPM
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> >
> >6200 is a perfectly acceptable cruise RPM for the 582...just don't expect
> >the engine to last too long. The 300 hr TBO is good for when running that
> >hard. Personally, I'm usually in no huge rush to get anywhere, so I
> >throttle back to 5000/5200 RPM, open the doors, and enjoy the breeze at
> >about 65 mph...I cruised this way all the way from Maine to Virginia (11
> >flying hrs each way)...
> >
> >Also, being a dirt-poor, full-time college student, I cannot afford the
>gas
> >for running the motor that fast, but most importantly, what an overhaul
>will
> >cost me. I put 100 hrs on the 'Fox this summer. At that rate, I can
>expect
> >to shell out a good 2500 for a rebuild by next August! Running the motor
>in
> >the low 5K's, I can expect to go a good 600 hrs to overhaul...
> >
> >Andrew
> >
> >
> >>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cruise RPM
> >>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:55:43 -0500
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> >>
> >>I searched the archives but did not see specific comments on this
> >>topic. Recently some cross country delays got me a bit nervous about
> >>landing on my unlighted field as i was miles from making it back before
> >>dusk set in. Typically i cruise at what i had heard was optimum rpm for
> >>efficiency of the 582 > 6000rpm.
> >>But in an attempt to make it back to the field so that i didnt have to
> >>use an alternate lighted field i pushed the rpms cruise to around 6200.
> >>Normally at 6000 i get about 84 mph ground on the gps's but at 6200 I
> >>was able to get 92 for those last 14 minutes and made it home safely
> >>before the runway was too dark to see.
> >>
> >>Any comments on extended or brief RPM sessions around that 6200 rpm
>range?
> >>
> >>kitfox@gto.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
> >> >
> >> >Mike G ,
> >> >
> >> > Where do you get this stuff about 30 degrees is too much ?
> >> >I more than interested in fact and where is this written that 30
> >> >degrees is too much?
> >> >I have checked a few other Model IV and they both over 30 degrees as
> >> >well.
> >> >Maybe a whole bunch are made wrong? sure possible but i not sure.
> >> >
> >> >The Flappersons deployed as MAX down and in my case 33 degrees give
> >> >that extra boost to break suction on glassy water or even on Wheels or
> >> >skis but the do create some drag and you want to get rid of some as
> >> >soon as you get nose donw adn some speed.
> >> >
> >> >now for landing i did state that i use up to 20 degrees as I find the
> >> >roll control a bit funky beyond that .
> >> >
> >> >Flapperons on Kitfox Iv do seem to make it a better performer than
> >> >without flapperons. But if you do not know how to use flaps and
> >> >benefit from them I guess they would not seem practical to some.
> >> >
> >> >Mike maybe you could measure your flapperon deflection and let us know
> >> >what it is.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kirby .............
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> ><MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>>Pretty simple way to check is use a inclinometer on the Flaperons.
> >> >>>Has anyone else does theirs?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>When I asked my original question about 22 degrees (or 25 degrees)
> >> >>being the book limit I had something else in mind.
> >> >>
> >> >>It seems that if your flaperons extend significantly beyond what the
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>book calls for, your flaperons are not rigged properly. When I
> >> >>pulled my flap handle all the way up (back), I got 22 degrees of
> >> >>deflection. With that arrangement, I could pull nearly full flaps
> >> >>before I noticed any limitation in aileron deflection.
> >> >>
> >> >>If you are getting 30 or more degrees with the handle pulled all the
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>way I would pull the seats out, get the construction manual out, and
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>re-check all of the linkages in and out of the mixer assembly. The
> >> >>book is pretty specific about the rod end adjustments and the stick
> >> >>versus flaperon movements.
> >> >>
> >> >>Advice that's worth what you paid for it. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >>Mike G.
> >> >>N728KF
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Just checked the Airworthiness Certificate - no mention of Day only!
Thanks for the info!
Andrew
>From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>, <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:02:24 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
>You might want to check your operating limitations
>that apply to your airworthiness certificate just to
>be sure. Some experimentals have a day-only standard
>limitation if the aircraft didn't have lights during
>the airworthiness inspection and/or if night wasn't
>requested. If so, you'll need to get your operating
>limitations updated.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ted
>
>
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> >
> >I will be installing my interior lighting this
>weekend...exterior is all in
> >place. I love flying at night - I fly GA as well,
>but I'm sure nothing
> >beats going up in the Kitfox...Of course I will be
>very conservative with my
> >flying, and stay HIGH, and I will also be purchasing
>a good GPS because
> >unless you plan on flying the major highways at
>night, Pilotage doesn't work
> >that great - and I've got no VOR...
> >
> >Can't wait!!!
> >
> >Andrew
> >
> >
> >>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>To: kitfox-
>list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> >>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:34:01 -0500
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
><jareds@verizon.net>
> >>
> >>Andrew,
> >>
> >>Even in GA craft I'm a little hesitant after losing
>an engine outside of
> >>DC at night several years ago but with my 2 stroke
>582 I try to avoid it
> >>even more. None the less I did build my fox for
>night flight and even
> >>had a discussion with the FAA during inspection and
>as long as the
> >>lighting meets the FAR there is no problem flying
>at night. Using your
> >>peripheral vision on the flare on the runway lights
>and being certain
> >>your headlights are aimed correctly is key. I
>found out recently that
> >>one light had moved
> >>
> >>Fly safe!!
> >>
> >>Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> >>
> >> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew
>Matthaey"
> >><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> >> >
> >> >Does anybody on the list fly their 'Fox night
>VFR? I would like to,
> >>but...Do
> >> >I need a field approval? Is there any paperwork?
>My exterior lighting
> >>meets
> >> >the requirements of FAR 91.205, but the regs make
>no mention of interior
> >>and
> >> >instrument lighting...I will, of course, be
>lighting my instruments, and
> >> >carrying plenty of flashlight and battery power,
>but...Any comments,
> >> >suggestions?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks!
> >> >Andrew
> >> >
> >> >http://toolbar.msn.click-
>url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN
>Search!
> >http://search.msn.click-
>url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: painting Lp Aero doors / Plexi Primer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Paul said;
"yet had never
heard of clear primer for plexi. I will definitely check into that."
Hi Paul
A couple of years ago I had the opportunity to be involved with our sign
division. I instructed our sign customers and visited a couple of sign shops
around the country. During that time I learned a lot about painting signs.The metal
parts and also the molded acrylic or polycarbonate sign faces
I believe Akzo has about 40% market share of the sign manufacturing paint
supplied. I am back in the car refinish segment again.
Cheers. Eric.
Do Not Archive.
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| Subject: | Kitfox-like aircraft kit for sale on Barnstormers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Todd Lesh" <theleshfamily@gbronline.com>
Thanks Kitfox folks for allowing me to be a by-stander to your forum.
Finances dictate that I sell my Avid kit-probably the last one made before
they went "underground". Maybe in the years to come I'll be back with one of
these great airplanes. If anyone knows of someone interested, I'd be
thankful. Fly safe, Todd Lesh-Charlotte, NC
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| Subject: | Trim assist for the elevator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
This message is from Jeff Hays, a S5 Kitfox/Continental IO240 owner, and
former Kitfox Lister. He asked me to forward this message to the List. His
email address is withheld at his request.
Deke
List Janitor
>
> Hi Deke -
>
> I'm no longer on the list, but I do read them occasionally. You might want
to fwd this for me
> (less email address).
>
> I think the "trim assist" idea is good - in a way. BUT people really
should keep in mind that it's
> an artificial assist - In that what they are really doing is using up a
LOT of available elevator,
> just to relieve some stick pressure.
>
> When you trim out the pressure with the trim actuator you are adjusting
the horizontal stab
> incidence, AND keeping the full range of useable elevator.
>
> It takes mere seconds to electrically trim out the pressure when adding
flaperons, in my view
> it's a better idea to do this. So I'm not modifying mine. I personally
think that you're reducing
> the aircraft flight control range if you rely on a spring to hold the
elevator, rather than trimming.
>
> I'm sending this, because there's a lot of builder's (not yet flyers), who
really might want to put
> some thought into NOT doing this before they've got some flying time under
their belts.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff Hays
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Thanks Deko. ;-)
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Liebmann
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Embarassed ?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Deke, thanks much for getting rid of that nasty, immature person...
Ron
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@gto.net
>
> litte hisssy fits
>
> don't get your own way
> boot em off
>
> pathetic whiner DEKE O GEEKO
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Hi Folks,
I just bought a Kitfox IV Speedster rebuild project with a 912UL. It was equipped
with a carb heat setup. Has anyone ever had any use for carb heat on a Rotax
912 with Bing carburetors. I read somewhere that carburetor icing is not a problem
with slide carburetors. I would like to exchange the weight of this air
box and exhaust muff for an oil cooler which this airplane did not have but probably
will need here in Oklahoma.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Embarassed ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Gee, doesn't the air smell a little cleaner in the past few
hours...thanks, Deke, for your "janitorial" duties performed. : )
Lynn
On Thursday, September 8, 2005, at 07:55 PM, Steve Zakreski wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Thanks Deko. ;-)
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> Liebmann
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Embarassed ?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann"
> <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
> Deke, thanks much for getting rid of that nasty, immature person...
>
>
> Ron
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cruise RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Hi Jared,
Eric Tucker, Rotax Guru, always said to run the 582s at 5800-6200 rpm.
So you did ok. It just burns a bit more fuel at 6200!
Cheers,
bh
ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
> I searched the archives but did not see specific comments on this
> topic. Recently some cross country delays got me a bit nervous about
> landing on my unlighted field as i was miles from making it back before
> dusk set in. Typically i cruise at what i had heard was optimum rpm for
> efficiency of the 582 > 6000rpm.
> But in an attempt to make it back to the field so that i didnt have to
> use an alternate lighted field i pushed the rpms cruise to around 6200.
> Normally at 6000 i get about 84 mph ground on the gps's but at 6200 I
> was able to get 92 for those last 14 minutes and made it home safely
> before the runway was too dark to see.
>
> Any comments on extended or brief RPM sessions around that 6200 rpm range?
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| Subject: | Re: Trim assist for the elevator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I think Jeff misunderstands how the trim assist works.
When a model 5 or later is lightly loaded, you can't trim out all the stick
forces, especially when using flaps. So on approach you have to hold the
stick in position using aft pressure.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. If you could trim out all the stick
forces when solo, light and with full flaps, that same trim setting with a
full load at the aft CG limit with no flaps would create a dangerous
situation.
What the trim assist does is replace the force you use with your hand to
hold the stick back with force from a spring. The spring does not put the
elevator in any different position than the pilot would without it. You are
just letting the spring do the work instead of your arm. So, NO elevator
range is lost at all!
Also, without flaps, the force from the spring is only enough to bring the
elevator to the neutral position. When flaps are added, the spring is
stretched and it applies more force to hold the elevator.
Does this make sense?
Deke, would you forward this Jeff, I seem to have lost his email address.
Cliff
S5, Lyc 0-235
>
> This message is from Jeff Hays, a S5 Kitfox/Continental IO240 owner, and
> former Kitfox Lister. He asked me to forward this message to the List.
> His
> email address is withheld at his request.
> Deke
> List Janitor
>>
>> Hi Deke -
>>
>> I'm no longer on the list, but I do read them occasionally. You might
>> want
> to fwd this for me
>> (less email address).
>>
>> I think the "trim assist" idea is good - in a way. BUT people really
> should keep in mind that it's
>> an artificial assist - In that what they are really doing is using up a
> LOT of available elevator,
>> just to relieve some stick pressure.
>>
>> When you trim out the pressure with the trim actuator you are adjusting
> the horizontal stab
>> incidence, AND keeping the full range of useable elevator.
>>
>> It takes mere seconds to electrically trim out the pressure when adding
> flaperons, in my view
>> it's a better idea to do this. So I'm not modifying mine. I personally
> think that you're reducing
>> the aircraft flight control range if you rely on a spring to hold the
> elevator, rather than trimming.
>>
>> I'm sending this, because there's a lot of builder's (not yet flyers),
>> who
> really might want to put
>> some thought into NOT doing this before they've got some flying time
>> under
> their belts.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jeff Hays
>
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Clear coated gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Bob,
Thanks for the tip on the clear powder coating, I have applied clear
urethane over aluminum in the past with good success. As for the gear
configuration I know there are planes with that much tilt to the wheels out
there but I am planning to install the Kitfox wheel pants and would like
them to run a little more true with the fuselage. My old Kitfox had the
bungee gear and I had the wheels set vertical with slight toe out.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Clear coated gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Unternaehrer
> To: 7suds@Chartermi.net
> Subject: Clear coated gear
>
>
> <<>>
>
> I Polished my grove gear ,,,, then had it powdercoated "clear". I'd sure
> recommend you just try the standard gear, rather than having it re-bent.
> It's prettly well proven to be correct, other than the IF the factory
> somehow made a mistake.
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilocom@mcmsys.com
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Andrew,
I purchased a handheld GPS (Lowrance 300) for my Kitfox and had my wife make
a Velcro attach tapered mount that I strapped to my leg when flying, worked
great and cheap.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
> I will be installing my interior lighting this weekend...exterior is all
> in
> place. I love flying at night - I fly GA as well, but I'm sure nothing
> beats going up in the Kitfox...Of course I will be very conservative with
> my
> flying, and stay HIGH, and I will also be purchasing a good GPS because
> unless you plan on flying the major highways at night, Pilotage doesn't
> work
> that great - and I've got no VOR...
>
> Can't wait!!!
>
> Andrew
>
>
>>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:34:01 -0500
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>Andrew,
>>
>>Even in GA craft I'm a little hesitant after losing an engine outside of
>>DC at night several years ago but with my 2 stroke 582 I try to avoid it
>>even more. None the less I did build my fox for night flight and even
>>had a discussion with the FAA during inspection and as long as the
>>lighting meets the FAR there is no problem flying at night. Using your
>>peripheral vision on the flare on the runway lights and being certain
>>your headlights are aimed correctly is key. I found out recently that
>>one light had moved
>>
>>Fly safe!!
>>
>>Andrew Matthaey wrote:
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
>><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> >Does anybody on the list fly their 'Fox night VFR? I would like to,
>>but...Do
>> >I need a field approval? Is there any paperwork? My exterior lighting
>>meets
>> >the requirements of FAR 91.205, but the regs make no mention of interior
>>and
>> >instrument lighting...I will, of course, be lighting my instruments, and
>> >carrying plenty of flashlight and battery power, but...Any comments,
>> >suggestions?
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >Andrew
>> >
>> >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Hi Eric,
Where 'bouts in Sooner & Cowboy Country are you at? I'm located in
Duncan.
Roger Mac
S7/ 912S almost ready for inspection
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Subject: Kitfox-List: carb. heat
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Hi Folks,
I just bought a Kitfox IV Speedster rebuild project with a 912UL. It was
equipped with a carb heat setup. Has anyone ever had any use for carb heat
on a Rotax 912 with Bing carburetors. I read somewhere that carburetor icing
is not a problem with slide carburetors. I would like to exchange the weight
of this air box and exhaust muff for an oil cooler which this airplane did
not have but probably will need here in Oklahoma.
Eric
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
I am in Tulsa, might see you at an airshow or a fly-in some time
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: carb. heat
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Hi Eric,
> Where 'bouts in Sooner & Cowboy Country are you at? I'm located in
> Duncan.
> Roger Mac
> S7/ 912S almost ready for inspection
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: carb. heat
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
>
> Hi Folks,
> I just bought a Kitfox IV Speedster rebuild project with a 912UL. It was
> equipped with a carb heat setup. Has anyone ever had any use for carb heat
> on a Rotax 912 with Bing carburetors. I read somewhere that carburetor
> icing
> is not a problem with slide carburetors. I would like to exchange the
> weight
> of this air box and exhaust muff for an oil cooler which this airplane did
> not have but probably will need here in Oklahoma.
> Eric
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 9/8/2005 8:16:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
iworonko@cox.net writes:
> Has anyone ever had any use for carb heat on a Rotax 912 with Bing
carburetors.
I experienced 2 occurrences of carb ice last year with my 912. I live in
Michigan where the humidity can get pretty high during the summer months. Both
times were during clime out at full throttle.
Bill W.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim assist for the elevator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I passed this on to Jeff.
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> I think Jeff misunderstands how the trim assist works.
> When a model 5 or later is lightly loaded, you can't trim out all the
stick
> forces, especially when using flaps. So on approach you have to hold the
> stick in position using aft pressure.
>
> This is not necessarily a bad thing. If you could trim out all the stick
> forces when solo, light and with full flaps, that same trim setting with a
> full load at the aft CG limit with no flaps would create a dangerous
> situation.
>
> What the trim assist does is replace the force you use with your hand to
> hold the stick back with force from a spring. The spring does not put the
> elevator in any different position than the pilot would without it. You
are
> just letting the spring do the work instead of your arm. So, NO elevator
> range is lost at all!
> Also, without flaps, the force from the spring is only enough to bring the
> elevator to the neutral position. When flaps are added, the spring is
> stretched and it applies more force to hold the elevator.
> Does this make sense?
> Deke, would you forward this Jeff, I seem to have lost his email address.
> Cliff
> S5, Lyc 0-235
>
> >
> > This message is from Jeff Hays, a S5 Kitfox/Continental IO240 owner, and
> > former Kitfox Lister. He asked me to forward this message to the List.
> > His
> > email address is withheld at his request.
> > Deke
> > List Janitor
> >>
> >> Hi Deke -
> >>
> >> I'm no longer on the list, but I do read them occasionally. You might
> >> want
> > to fwd this for me
> >> (less email address).
> >>
> >> I think the "trim assist" idea is good - in a way. BUT people really
> > should keep in mind that it's
> >> an artificial assist - In that what they are really doing is using up
a
> > LOT of available elevator,
> >> just to relieve some stick pressure.
> >>
> >> When you trim out the pressure with the trim actuator you are adjusting
> > the horizontal stab
> >> incidence, AND keeping the full range of useable elevator.
> >>
> >> It takes mere seconds to electrically trim out the pressure when adding
> > flaperons, in my view
> >> it's a better idea to do this. So I'm not modifying mine. I personally
> > think that you're reducing
> >> the aircraft flight control range if you rely on a spring to hold the
> > elevator, rather than trimming.
> >>
> >> I'm sending this, because there's a lot of builder's (not yet flyers),
> >> who
> > really might want to put
> >> some thought into NOT doing this before they've got some flying time
> >> under
> > their belts.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jeff Hays
> >
> > >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cruise RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Great.... So far good feedback. I'll gladly burn a bit of extra fuel to
stay safe.
Even if i knock a few hours off my TBO.
Bruce Harrington wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>
>Hi Jared,
>Eric Tucker, Rotax Guru, always said to run the 582s at 5800-6200 rpm.
>So you did ok. It just burns a bit more fuel at 6200!
>Cheers,
>bh
>ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
>
>
>
>>I searched the archives but did not see specific comments on this
>>topic. Recently some cross country delays got me a bit nervous about
>>landing on my unlighted field as i was miles from making it back before
>>dusk set in. Typically i cruise at what i had heard was optimum rpm for
>>efficiency of the 582 > 6000rpm.
>>But in an attempt to make it back to the field so that i didnt have to
>>use an alternate lighted field i pushed the rpms cruise to around 6200.
>>Normally at 6000 i get about 84 mph ground on the gps's but at 6200 I
>>was able to get 92 for those last 14 minutes and made it home safely
>>before the runway was too dark to see.
>>
>>Any comments on extended or brief RPM sessions around that 6200 rpm range?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim assist for the elevator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:23 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
>BUT people really should keep in mind that it's an artificial assist - In
>that what they are really doing is using up a LOT of available elevator,
>just to relieve some stick pressure. When you trim out the pressure with
>the trim actuator you are adjusting the horizontal stab incidence, AND
>keeping the full range of useable elevator.
Keep in mind that this statement only applies to Piper type trims that vary
the incidence of the horizontal stabilizer, and not to trim tab equipped
elevators that are typically seen on Kitfoxes. Aircraft that have trim tabs
and springs "use up" their elevator when slowing so as to replace the down
force exerted at higher speed by the flow over the negative incidence
horizontal stabilizer. The spring system is actually slightly more
efficient than the trim tab buried in the elevator, since the trim tab
reduces the size of the elevator. However the spring system also loads
("centers") the elevator, which some people don't like.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Eric,
I too purchased a 912ul kitfox IV with carb heat on it. After much
discussion with the forum members, I removed mine to remove weight and
complexity. All responses I received back when I asked about it indicated
that the only people that ever experienced carb ice on their Kitfoxes were
those that had the carb heat installed. Sounds kind of odd, but when you
think about it, the carb heat air box supplies ice cold air to the carb
intakes during normal operation, whereas with just an air filter hanging off
the rear mounted carbs you get only warm engine air through the carb air
intakes.
The downside of removing the carb heat system (of course something that was
never discussed until I had mine totally removed) is that when those carb
heat equipped 912 powered Kitfoxes did develop carb ice, they apparently
just had to activate carb heat to get rid of the ice. So if that is a
correct assumption, removing the carb heat system eliminates any chance of
doing anything about carb ice once it does happen.
So the real question for the group I'd like to know is;
Has anyone actually had a 912 engine quit in flight due to carb ice?
And if so, was it on an airplane that had no carb heat system installed? Or
was it on one that had carb heat installed (that apparently didn't work when
it was activated)?
How about it guys, ever had your 912 quit due to carb icing?
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
(where carb ice is just a part of life)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: carb. heat
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
>
> Hi Folks,
> I just bought a Kitfox IV Speedster rebuild project with a 912UL. It was
> equipped with a carb heat setup. Has anyone ever had any use for carb heat
> on a Rotax 912 with Bing carburetors. I read somewhere that carburetor
> icing is not a problem with slide carburetors. I would like to exchange
> the weight of this air box and exhaust muff for an oil cooler which this
> airplane did not have but probably will need here in Oklahoma.
> Eric
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:38 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
>Sounds kind of odd, but when you
>think about it, the carb heat air box supplies ice cold air to the carb
>intakes during normal operation, whereas with just an air filter hanging off
>the rear mounted carbs you get only warm engine air through the carb air
>intakes.
It sounds like you should get significantly better performance with the
carb heat air box installed. True?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
... and Canada
SteveZ
Calgary, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Matthaey
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out of school - a
little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see Norway...I'm
mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for Virgin Atlantic
Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I almost got a
non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead though!
I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to allow pilots
to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket...
Andrew
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> > I love flying at night
>
>That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight license, I can't
>fly
>at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I like it very
>much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my position from
>bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago is very
>complex
>but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white sector. When it
>gets
>red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's very exciting
>to
>pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the right track
>because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel and made it
>safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-)
>
>Enjoy your night flying, friend!
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Of course, Canada always follows suit! LoL...j/k
Andrew
>From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:17:35 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
>... and Canada
>
>SteveZ
>Calgary, Canada
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
>Matthaey
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
>Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out of school -
>a
>
>little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see Norway...I'm
>mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for Virgin
>Atlantic
>
>Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I almost got
>a
>
>non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead though!
>
>I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to allow pilots
>to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket...
>
>Andrew
>
>
> >From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> >Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> > > I love flying at night
> >
> >That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight license, I
>can't
>
> >fly
> >at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I like it
>very
> >much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my position
>from
> >bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago is very
> >complex
> >but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white sector. When it
> >gets
> >red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's very
>exciting
> >to
> >pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the right
>track
> >because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel and made
>it
> >safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-)
> >
> >Enjoy your night flying, friend!
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Michel
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>
>
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