---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/12/05: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Re: SV: Norway. WAS: Night VFR (Fred Shiple) 2. 12:27 AM - Re:912 coolant/Evans (Lmar) 3. 12:28 AM - New Completion Pics (Don Pearsall) 4. 12:29 AM - Mod III & IV Differences (Rex & Jan Shaw) 5. 12:30 AM - Re: Evans Coolant in the 912 series (PWilson) 6. 12:48 AM - Oil tank issues (Lmar) 7. 02:27 AM - VNE (John Anderson) 8. 07:42 AM - Re: Evans Coolant in the 912 series (Rick) 9. 08:39 AM - Re: Drain Holes in Fabric (Joel Mapes) 10. 09:05 AM - Kitfox IV Main Span Repair (RV73HL@aol.com) 11. 11:18 AM - Re: Evans Coolant in the 912 series (PWilson) 12. 11:41 AM - Re: Kitfox IV Main Span Repair (Floran Higgins) 13. 01:07 PM - Re: Drain Holes in Fabric (Chenoweth) 14. 01:42 PM - New AD - Evans coolant Rotax 91xx (Lmar) 15. 02:43 PM - Changes at NSI (Jim Crowder) 16. 03:04 PM - Re: Changes at NSI (Fox5flyer) 17. 03:23 PM - Re: Night VFR (Chenoweth) 18. 03:25 PM - Re: Changes at NSI (Howard Firm) 19. 05:10 PM - Re: Night VFR (Donna and Roger McConnell) 20. 05:51 PM - Re: Changes at NSI (Fox5flyer) 21. 06:01 PM - Re: New Completion Pics (Rick) 22. 06:19 PM - Re: Changes at NSI (Rick) 23. 06:36 PM - Re: Drain Holes in Fabric (Brett Walmsley) 24. 06:44 PM - Re: New Completion Pics (John Anderson) 25. 07:11 PM - Re: Night VFR (Jeffrey Puls) 26. 07:44 PM - Re: Drain Holes in Fabric (Gary Randall) 27. 08:22 PM - Re: VNE (AMuller589@aol.com) 28. 08:58 PM - Re: VNE (Don Pearsall) 29. 09:02 PM - Re: VNE (AMuller589@aol.com) 30. 09:25 PM - Re: VNE (AMuller589@aol.com) 31. 09:41 PM - Re: VNE (AMuller589@aol.com) 32. 10:25 PM - Re: Changes at NSI (Jim Crowder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:36 AM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Norway. WAS: Night VFR --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple Thanks for your video and the recent photos you've shared, Michel. To see those spectacular fiords from the air reminded me of a too short visit we had in your beautiful country two summers ago. Fred do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:44 AM PST US From: Lmar Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:912 coolant/Evans --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar The author of this informative discussion summary is not on the list. I posted it the other day and failed to write the introduction before sending it. I apologize for any inconvience or confusion it may have caused! I found this info when searching for info about Evan's and thought that it would be helpful. It appeared on a Zenith list. Larry Lmar wrote: From: Lmar Subject: Re:912 coolant Rotax Discussion I attended the 7/28/04 8:30am "Rotax 912 and 912S Basic Engine Maintenance" forum. Here are the notes I took from the session. Eric Tucker, works for Kodiak Research, the Rotax Importer for the US. http://www.kodiakbs.com/. They sell engines to Lockwood Aviation Supply, California Power Systems etc. Eric was shown as the presenter in the program, but in fact he was backup for Phil Lockwood. Phil Lockwood did most of the presentation. He is the owner/manager of Lockwood Aviation Supply. The presentation applied to all Rotax four stroke engines. 912, 912S, 914, certified and non certified versions. I'll use 91x to indicate all these engines in the following notes. Through out the presentation, both Phil and Eric stressed that the 91x family of engines, once running, will get you to your destination. They may self destruct in the process. Loss of all the coolant will result in overheating; engine would keep running, but will likely warp the heads. They implied the engines would run without oil for a long time - again, the engine may not restart after this abuse. I believe there were other examples that I did not write down. Oil discussion: - Recommend maximum 50 hour oil change. This is more frequent than the manual states for some conditions. - Pre-oil the new oil filter when doing an oil change. (That is fill the filter with new oil before installing it on the engine. Some discussion about mess followed, and Eric said to at least fill the new filter half way with oil, then it could be installed without pouring the oil out.) - When installing the filter, max three quarter turn after rubber gasket makes contact with the engine case. DO NOT turn filter until the filter touches the case. - Oil formulations have been changing during the last several years. The newer oils foam more. This can cause problems in the 91x family. - The oil dipstick change was because of the foaming. - Recommend keeping the oil tank near the top of the range. - Proper way to check oil is to rotate the prop in the normal direction until the oil tank gurgles. Then check the level in the tank. - DO NOT rotate the prop backwards. This can pull oil out of the engine. A few degrees of backward rotation is not a problem. A full rotation of the prop could be a problem. - When changing the oil, just remove the oil tank drain plug to empty the oil tank and change the oil filter. DO NOT try to get ALL the oil out. Some customers who have had oil related problems have rotated the prop backwards to pump the oil out of the engine during their oil changes. - Need to use motorcycle type oil because the 91x family shares the crankcase oil with the gearbox oil - like most motorcycles. This oil has additives to protect the gears. - Castrol GPS and Motul have been REMOVED from the recommend list because of foaming. - Penzoil motorcycle oil is OK to use - Any semi synthetic motorcycle oil is OK to use. - Honda motorcycle oil will not be listed as OK to use because Honda is possible competitor, but the Honda motorcycle oil is OK to use. - California Power Systems AV-9 showed some foaming in testing and is currently being reformulated. - DO NOT use pure synthetic oil when using 100LL fuel. Pure synthetic will not hold the lead in suspension properly. Cooling discussion: - Recommend CHT operation in 180F to 240F range. Also recommend max of 125C which is higher than 240F. - It is normal for EGT and CHT to be different on each side. - No real value to having EGT. - IF the center of the CHT sensors supplied with the engine are gone, then the engine has been TOO HOT. The center of the sensor has melted. - There is a new higher pressure radiator cap available. Eric did not seem to enthusiastic about it. Typically raises the temperature before releasing pressure about 10C. - Use phosphate free coolant. - Use silicate free coolant. - Dexcool coolant works well. - Don't mix green and orange coolant. Flush system if changing. - Recommended minimum of 50% coolant (with remainder being distilled water). - If having trouble with coolant/distilled water boiling, may need to move to highest recommend concentration of coolant as recommended by coolant manufacture. - If still having trouble with coolant/distilled water boiling, using Evans coolant is OK. Evans coolant does not use water and runs without a pressurized cap. Fuel: - If flying over 12,000ft, recommended using avgas to avoid vapor locking. Carburetors: - Keep the carbs synchronized. Check every 100 hours. Check at idle and just off idle. - Recommend 1800 rpm as minimum idle speed to maximize gearbox life. - Recommend overhauling the carbs every 600 hours. - Choke (enricher) only works with the throttle fully closed. - Recommended running 2200-2400 RPM just after start until engine will idle smoothly below this speed. Gearbox discussion: - Recommend 912S engines be upgraded to the slipper clutch. There is increased possibility of kickback with the slipper clutch. Therefore, this also requires the upgraded starter at the same time. There is a reduced cost upgrade program available. - Recommended having gear box serviced every 300 hours of operation for 912S without the slipper clutch (over run clutch). - There was a recommendation to check the gearbox play every 100 (?) hours of operation. The discussion followed what is in the manual. This is for engines which do not have the slipper clutch. Sorry, I'm not sure of the frequency that was recommended. - Would not try to hand prop a Rotax 912S. Much higher compression than the 912 or the 914. There was a discussion about the service bulletins. Basically, there are bulletins because the factory continues to develop the engines. The development is the result of customer/user feedback. Service bulletins are only required for certified versions of the engines in certified planes. The service bulletins are a good idea for the non certified engines. I hope some of you find this posting useful. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 270hrs, 338 landings --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:45 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: Kitfox-List: New Completion Pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" John Anderson has posted two great photos of his newly completed KF. Congratulations John! Good looking plane! http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=Completi ons Click on the first entry. Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:35 AM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Mod III & IV Differences --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Can someone (like John McLean) tell me the difference between a Model 3 & $. Are interior dimensions the same ? Thanks, George As far as I can determine Mod II was made wider but 3 & 4 remain the same. Changes that did occur with the 4 were Skystar say the 4 is a completely new aircraft with improved STOL, Handling and stability. Also more top speed by 10 to 15%. The Mod IV came with a new laminar flow wing, new flapperon design and metal hinges. A 2:1 differential aileron control system allowing improved control at full flaps. Improved rudder co-ordination. The Mod IV / 1200 had some further change. This has heavier lift struts and gear legs. Stronger fuselage carry through tubes. Vertical stabilizer and rudder 10" higher. Rudder 2" deeper. You could build the Mod IV with 29' wings instead of 32' and it became a Speedster. This gave faster roll rate but I fail to see the need. The shorter wings reduced drag for a slight increase in speed. There is other changes that I don't know when they occuired like Aerofoil shape elevator. My elevator has one side very slightly higher than the other that at first seems to be in error but checking others they seem to be all the same. I think this is to reduce the nill response about neutral. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:18 AM PST US From: PWilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Evans Coolant in the 912 series --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson Inaccurate? Well misleading for sure. Well, if Phil Lockwood and Eric Tucker say to run the Evans coolant with no pressure cap then it must be OK. Unless some higher power has changed the physics all liquids have vapor pressure that increases with temperature. Water for example has a vapor pressure of 4.7psi at 176 F but we know that steam turbines in power plants operate at a pressure of thousands of psi. All liquids have this property but have different pressure temperature relationship. The Evans web site has the answers to most of your questions. Quoting Evans: With regard to pressure: At 176deg F a 50/50 EG/water solution has a vapor pressure of 3.55psi and the Evans NPG+ has a vapor pressure of .08 psi (which is not zero). One 40th as high as 50/50H2O. With regard to pressure cap: Evans recommends a 7psi pressure cap vs the Rotax cap on my 912 which is13+psi. The reason for Evans recommending a 7 psi cap is to avoid water absorption. Thermostat: Evans recommends removing the thing. Comment: No thermostat means slow warm up in cold climates. Those with stats may want to consider a radiator door to speed up the warm up. PW Back to the original question: Yes a 7 psi the system will leak slower than at 13+ psi system for small holes. I will pursue the pressure question more fully as I could not find a pressure/temperature curve for NPG+ to compare with a 50/50 EG/H2O. Regards, Paul ==================== At 07:49 PM 9/10/2005, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > >So Paul. Was the info from the seminar I attended inaccurate. Does the >Evans coolant not run at zero pressure?? > > Gary Walsh >C-GOOT >www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > >do not archive > > >PWilson >Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >09/09/2005 04:46 PM >Please respond to kitfox-list > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > cc: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Evans Coolant in the 912 series > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson > >This subject needs to be side tracked ASAP. There is no such thing a >zero pressure liquid Evans included. The vapor pressure may be less >that a E Glycol mix but if you loose coolant the pressure will rise >until it stabilizes at the boiling point. > > BTW, The Evans coolant specified by Rotax is NOT 100% Propoline >Glycol I think it has EG and other chemical in it to meed the Rotax >requirements. > Regards, Paul > >================ >At 08:48 AM 9/9/2005, you wrote: > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" > > > >I didn't follow the past thread and didn't realize the Evans was "zero" > >pressure. What kind of reservoir cap do you install? One that's vented? > >Sounds like a good theory about loosing less coolant with a leak. > > > >Don Smythe > >Classic IV W/ 582 > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > That is why there is a new cap for the reservoir. The standard 50/50 > > > glycol mix runs at about 10 psi..and goes up with altitude. If you >have a > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:52 AM PST US From: Lmar Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil tank issues --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar Hi, I'm passing this along for a friend. Thanks - Larry his oil tank is located above the engine ( Rotax 4 stroke) and the oil drains into the rear cylinders after sitting a few days. Rotax answer is to lower the tank but it is where Kitfox puts it. Any ideas? There is so much oil in the cylinder that he pulls the plug to drain it out. --------------------------------- Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:19 AM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: Kitfox-List: VNE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" I'm just at the CAA certification stage with my Series 5 TG. It's powered by an EA 81 Turbo charged & intercooled subaru. Would one of you good folk have the published (if it is) VNE and max rough air speed for these wee beastys. Any other limitations one might think of would be apprieciated too. Many thanks, John A. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:13 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Evans Coolant in the 912 series --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" I was thinking the same thing. I had made a thermostat housing for my water cooled turbo EA-81 engine and had taken it out to see what the effect would be. In the interim I decided to run the Evans coolant. What I found out was the expansion rate of the coolant acts as a hydro thermo dynamic regulator (trying to look smart here). It is thicker and slower at cool temps allowing a quicker warm up. Once warm it thins out and, runs faster and cools more. I was sold on the benefits of the Evans coolant and was not even aware that was going to happen. The only thing I did to accommodate the new coolant was to do a through flush of the system , added a larger over flow and the 7 lbs cap. Comment: No thermostat means slow warm up in cold climates. Those with stats may want to consider a radiator door to speed up the warm up. PW -----Original snip........ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:47 AM PST US From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Fabric --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" Hi Bill, I recently completed covering and paint of my model 5 which is destined for floats and put seaplane style drain grommets in every wing bay, stabilizer bay and elevator bay. I also put one at any point in the fuselage where water might be trapped against a tube. Pictures are available if you're interested. Joel Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:04 AM PST US From: RV73HL@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Main Span Repair --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com Has anyone repaired the main spar via a splice? If so, a short description would be appreciated. Howard ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:37 AM PST US From: PWilson Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Evans Coolant in the 912 series --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson Great - Nothing substitutes for real world data. Paul ================= At 08:40 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" > >I was thinking the same thing. I had made a thermostat housing for my water >cooled turbo EA-81 engine and had taken it out to see what the effect would >be. In the interim I decided to run the Evans coolant. What I found out was >the expansion rate of the coolant acts as a hydro thermo dynamic regulator >(trying to look smart here). It is thicker and slower at cool temps allowing >a quicker warm up. Once warm it thins out and, runs faster and cools more. I >was sold on the benefits of the Evans coolant and was not even aware that >was going to happen. The only thing I did to accommodate the new coolant was >to do a through flush of the system , added a larger over flow and the 7 lbs >cap. > > Comment: No thermostat means slow warm up in cold climates. >Those with stats may want to consider a radiator door to speed up the >warm up. PW >-----Original snip........ > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:41 AM PST US From: "Floran Higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Main Span Repair --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" Many years ago I installed a wing extenion kit on an Avid acrobatic model. It involved removing the wing tip and extending the wings 6 ft on each side. The spars were spliced with a three ft tube that just slid one half way into the wing spar and secured with epoxy and rivets. Then the spar extension was slipped over the inner tube and secured with epoxy and rivets. the wing tip was then reinstalled. Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Main Span Repair > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com > > Has anyone repaired the main spar via a splice? If so, a short > description > would be appreciated. > > Howard > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:01 PM PST US From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Fabric --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" Here's a bit more on that. I did what Joel did for my IV-1200 (though I had no intention of putting it on floats) but I also added seaplane grommets to the rudder. Unfortunately I put them only on one side so now I have a rudder trim tab when probably I wouldn't have needed one had I put grommets on both sides. Bill Albion, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Fabric > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" > > Hi Bill, > > I recently completed covering and paint of my model 5 which is destined for > floats and put seaplane style drain grommets in every wing bay, stabilizer > bay and elevator bay. I also put one at any point in the fuselage where > water might be trapped against a tube. Pictures are available if you're > interested. > > Joel > Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:26 PM PST US From: Lmar Subject: Kitfox-List: New AD - Evans coolant Rotax 91xx --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar Incase you haven't seen it yet, here is a link to a new AD, sorry FAA recommendation; as theis is NOT mandatory as AD are. http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/alerts/saib/media/NE-05-84.pdf Hope you find it helpful. Larry --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:42 PM PST US From: Jim Crowder Subject: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder I have been in contact with NSI both Friday and Today. Lance is gone and new management is in place. There is a name change to MG Propulsion Systems, if I got that right. It was apparently not a friendly separation with Lance. The overall owner remains the same. Craig is still there although not in either time I called. The good news is that they are answering the phone except during lunch time. My new problem is that I have lost one side of my duel ignition. I lost it slowly, but finally completely while running the engine on the ground over the period of one hour. Mine is one of the early production models with I assume, an early ignition system. I have reviewed some of the List emails from 2002 on the subject. More good news is that I was put in touch with Bob Eatwell who is in charge of new electrical design for the new company. He is from England and in fact is leaving for a week in England tomorrow. As I will be heading for Minnesota on Wednesday for a week, he will be back about the same time I am back. He asked me to do some more trouble shooting and in the meantime he will obtain data on my system. I am to call him back and he will be prepared to work through the system with me. Maybe then I will finally get my plane flying. All together I only have about 11 flight hours on the plane. I am determined to stick with it and work the bugs out this time. :) For now I can report that they are very business like in their response, say they have plenty of resources, and intend to get the new company on the road. I got no feeling that they were going to sideslip old problems. Those of you who have issues with NSI, I suggest you give them a new call. Jim Crowder ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:25 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Thanks for the info Jim. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder > > I have been in contact with NSI both Friday and Today. Lance is gone > and new management is in place. There is a name change to MG > Propulsion Systems, if I got that right. It was apparently not a > friendly separation with Lance. The overall owner remains the > same. Craig is still there although not in either time I > called. The good news is that they are answering the phone except > during lunch time. > > My new problem is that I have lost one side of my duel ignition. I > lost it slowly, but finally completely while running the engine on > the ground over the period of one hour. Mine is one of the early > production models with I assume, an early ignition system. I have > reviewed some of the List emails from 2002 on the subject. > > More good news is that I was put in touch with Bob Eatwell who is in > charge of new electrical design for the new company. He is from > England and in fact is leaving for a week in England tomorrow. As I > will be heading for Minnesota on Wednesday for a week, he will be > back about the same time I am back. He asked me to do some more > trouble shooting and in the meantime he will obtain data on my > system. I am to call him back and he will be prepared to work > through the system with me. Maybe then I will finally get my plane > flying. All together I only have about 11 flight hours on the > plane. I am determined to stick with it and work the bugs out this time. :) > > For now I can report that they are very business like in their > response, say they have plenty of resources, and intend to get the > new company on the road. I got no feeling that they were going to > sideslip old problems. Those of you who have issues with NSI, I > suggest you give them a new call. > > Jim Crowder > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:50 PM PST US From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" Jeff, What is the model number or name of the flashlights you bought? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > If you guys want some cool instrument lighting here is a suggestion. I went > to the Pelican website. They sell flashlights. There is a very small one > that has a little clip on it. I bought two of these and put adel clamps on > them and put them on the overhead braces each side. I tilted them downward. > They come with red and green lens. Plenty of light and they look cool on > the instruments. They take about three nicad batteries (wafer type) and > will go about 200 hours (So they say). They look professionally mounted and > they look like they belong there. Cheap! Jeff Classic IV > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Andrew Matthaey > > To: > > Date: 9/9/2005 10:58:03 PM > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > Wow - I took the 'Fox up tonight...It was NOTHING short of incredible - > > there aren't words. I haven't installed the instrument lighting, but I > went > > up anyway with a flashlight, though I didn't end up using it. I could > just > > make out the white hands on the instruments, and I knew where they should > be > > - and I was able to keep altitude/airspeed very nicely. > > > > I climbed up to two thousand feet and just cruised with the doors open, > > enjoying the warm night air (a temp. inversion had already begun). A > local > > airport - Sanford, ME, had one of the runways lit up like a christmas > tree, > > complete with the "rabbit" for the ILS. Portsmouth, NH was gorgeous, and > I > > even saw some fireworks! If it weren't for my buddy waiting for me on the > > ground, I would never have come down :) > > > > I started my descent and just crossed the threshold on short final when > the > > runway lights went out. I fiddled with the handheld to turn them back on > and > > then went around for another shot. I watched the landing light hit the > > pavement and made a greaser of a wheel-landing - absolutely perfect! > > > > I'm still grinning ear-to-ear, two hours later! What a privilege! > > > > Andrew > > > > > > >From: "Andrew Matthaey" > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > >Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:31:49 -0400 > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > > > > >Of course, Canada always follows suit! LoL...j/k > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > > > > > >From: Steve Zakreski > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:17:35 -0600 > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski > > > > > > > >... and Canada > > > > > > > >SteveZ > > > >Calgary, Canada > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > > > >Matthaey > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out of > school > > >- > > > >a > > > > > > > >little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see Norway...I'm > > > >mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for Virgin > > > >Atlantic > > > > > > > >Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I almost > > >got > > > >a > > > > > > > >non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead though! > > > > > > > >I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to allow > > >pilots > > > >to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket... > > > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Michel Verheughe > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200 > > > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > > > > > > > > > >Andrew Matthaey wrote: > > > > > > I love flying at night > > > > > > > > > >That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight license, I > > > >can't > > > > > > > > >fly > > > > >at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I like it > > > >very > > > > >much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my position > > > >from > > > > >bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago is > very > > > > >complex > > > > >but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white sector. > When > > >it > > > > >gets > > > > >red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's very > > > >exciting > > > > >to > > > > >pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the right > > > >track > > > > >because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel and > made > > > >it > > > > >safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-) > > > > > > > > > >Enjoy your night flying, friend! > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > >Michel > > > > > > > > > >do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:37 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Hey Jim, I could give you one of my ignitions if you need....My engine is off after a breakdown so I will not be needing it anytime soon...let me know! Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder > > I have been in contact with NSI both Friday and Today. Lance is gone > and new management is in place. There is a name change to MG > Propulsion Systems, if I got that right. It was apparently not a > friendly separation with Lance. The overall owner remains the > same. Craig is still there although not in either time I > called. The good news is that they are answering the phone except > during lunch time. > > My new problem is that I have lost one side of my duel ignition. I > lost it slowly, but finally completely while running the engine on > the ground over the period of one hour. Mine is one of the early > production models with I assume, an early ignition system. I have > reviewed some of the List emails from 2002 on the subject. > > More good news is that I was put in touch with Bob Eatwell who is in > charge of new electrical design for the new company. He is from > England and in fact is leaving for a week in England tomorrow. As I > will be heading for Minnesota on Wednesday for a week, he will be > back about the same time I am back. He asked me to do some more > trouble shooting and in the meantime he will obtain data on my > system. I am to call him back and he will be prepared to work > through the system with me. Maybe then I will finally get my plane > flying. All together I only have about 11 flight hours on the > plane. I am determined to stick with it and work the bugs out this time. > :) > > For now I can report that they are very business like in their > response, say they have plenty of resources, and intend to get the > new company on the road. I got no feeling that they were going to > sideslip old problems. Those of you who have issues with NSI, I > suggest you give them a new call. > > Jim Crowder > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:49 PM PST US From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" Bill, Try this; I think this is what Jeff is talking about. Roger Mac http://www.pelican.com/index.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" Jeff, What is the model number or name of the flashlights you bought? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > If you guys want some cool instrument lighting here is a suggestion. I went > to the Pelican website. They sell flashlights. There is a very small one > that has a little clip on it. I bought two of these and put adel clamps on > them and put them on the overhead braces each side. I tilted them downward. > They come with red and green lens. Plenty of light and they look cool on > the instruments. They take about three nicad batteries (wafer type) and > will go about 200 hours (So they say). They look professionally mounted and > they look like they belong there. Cheap! Jeff Classic IV > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Andrew Matthaey > > To: > > Date: 9/9/2005 10:58:03 PM > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > Wow - I took the 'Fox up tonight...It was NOTHING short of incredible - > > there aren't words. I haven't installed the instrument lighting, but I > went > > up anyway with a flashlight, though I didn't end up using it. I could > just > > make out the white hands on the instruments, and I knew where they should > be > > - and I was able to keep altitude/airspeed very nicely. > > > > I climbed up to two thousand feet and just cruised with the doors open, > > enjoying the warm night air (a temp. inversion had already begun). A > local > > airport - Sanford, ME, had one of the runways lit up like a christmas > tree, > > complete with the "rabbit" for the ILS. Portsmouth, NH was gorgeous, and > I > > even saw some fireworks! If it weren't for my buddy waiting for me on the > > ground, I would never have come down :) > > > > I started my descent and just crossed the threshold on short final when > the > > runway lights went out. I fiddled with the handheld to turn them back on > and > > then went around for another shot. I watched the landing light hit the > > pavement and made a greaser of a wheel-landing - absolutely perfect! > > > > I'm still grinning ear-to-ear, two hours later! What a privilege! > > > > Andrew > > > > > > >From: "Andrew Matthaey" > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > >Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:31:49 -0400 > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > > > > >Of course, Canada always follows suit! LoL...j/k > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > > > > > >From: Steve Zakreski > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:17:35 -0600 > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski > > > > > > > >... and Canada > > > > > > > >SteveZ > > > >Calgary, Canada > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > > > >Matthaey > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out of > school > > >- > > > >a > > > > > > > >little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see Norway...I'm > > > >mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for Virgin > > > >Atlantic > > > > > > > >Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I almost > > >got > > > >a > > > > > > > >non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead though! > > > > > > > >I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to allow > > >pilots > > > >to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket... > > > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Michel Verheughe > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200 > > > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > > > > > > > > > >Andrew Matthaey wrote: > > > > > > I love flying at night > > > > > > > > > >That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight license, I > > > >can't > > > > > > > > >fly > > > > >at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I like it > > > >very > > > > >much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my position > > > >from > > > > >bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago is > very > > > > >complex > > > > >but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white sector. > When > > >it > > > > >gets > > > > >red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's very > > > >exciting > > > > >to > > > > >pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the right > > > >track > > > > >because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel and > made > > > >it > > > > >safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-) > > > > > > > > > >Enjoy your night flying, friend! > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > >Michel > > > > > > > > > >do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:57 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Jim, are you positive it's the ignition module? There are two other things that can cause problems in that area; the isolation module (sometimes called the coil joiner) and the crank trigger assembly. Using Howard's ignition module to check it out is a lucky break. Hope you don't have to buy one because I think they're pretty expensive. You might be able to get one from http://www.electromotive-inc.com/ who I believe are the manufacturers of the units. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder > > I have been in contact with NSI both Friday and Today. Lance is gone > and new management is in place. There is a name change to MG > Propulsion Systems, if I got that right. It was apparently not a > friendly separation with Lance. The overall owner remains the > same. Craig is still there although not in either time I > called. The good news is that they are answering the phone except > during lunch time. > > My new problem is that I have lost one side of my duel ignition. I > lost it slowly, but finally completely while running the engine on > the ground over the period of one hour. Mine is one of the early > production models with I assume, an early ignition system. I have > reviewed some of the List emails from 2002 on the subject. > > More good news is that I was put in touch with Bob Eatwell who is in > charge of new electrical design for the new company. He is from > England and in fact is leaving for a week in England tomorrow. As I > will be heading for Minnesota on Wednesday for a week, he will be > back about the same time I am back. He asked me to do some more > trouble shooting and in the meantime he will obtain data on my > system. I am to call him back and he will be prepared to work > through the system with me. Maybe then I will finally get my plane > flying. All together I only have about 11 flight hours on the > plane. I am determined to stick with it and work the bugs out this time. :) > > For now I can report that they are very business like in their > response, say they have plenty of resources, and intend to get the > new company on the road. I got no feeling that they were going to > sideslip old problems. Those of you who have issues with NSI, I > suggest you give them a new call. > > Jim Crowder > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:10 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Completion Pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" John as always beautiful work, now take off her blouse so we can see it all. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall Subject: Kitfox-List: New Completion Pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" John Anderson has posted two great photos of his newly completed KF. Congratulations John! Good looking plane! http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=Completi ons Click on the first entry. Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:08 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" You are correct, Electromotive is the source. You might start and make sure the engine is warm and easy to start. Switch the pick up lead connections. If she starts then it was the ignition pick up and not the coil pack. Be sure the good ignition if of course off. I know it sounds to simple but make sure all the pin /amp connectors are making mated contact. Most likely its the pick up. I think NSI was starting to use a later model coil pack, so not sure on the availability of the older units. Electromotive makes some really nice new units with some added features. But as always...money money money. Rick N656T -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Jim, are you positive it's the ignition module? There are two other things that can cause problems in that area; the isolation module (sometimes called the coil joiner) and the crank trigger assembly. Using Howard's ignition module to check it out is a lucky break. Hope you don't have to buy one because I think they're pretty expensive. You might be able to get one from http://www.electromotive-inc.com/ who I believe are the manufacturers of the units. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder > > I have been in contact with NSI both Friday and Today. Lance is gone > and new management is in place. There is a name change to MG > Propulsion Systems, if I got that right. It was apparently not a > friendly separation with Lance. The overall owner remains the > same. Craig is still there although not in either time I > called. The good news is that they are answering the phone except > during lunch time. > > My new problem is that I have lost one side of my duel ignition. I > lost it slowly, but finally completely while running the engine on > the ground over the period of one hour. Mine is one of the early > production models with I assume, an early ignition system. I have > reviewed some of the List emails from 2002 on the subject. > > More good news is that I was put in touch with Bob Eatwell who is in > charge of new electrical design for the new company. He is from > England and in fact is leaving for a week in England tomorrow. As I > will be heading for Minnesota on Wednesday for a week, he will be > back about the same time I am back. He asked me to do some more > trouble shooting and in the meantime he will obtain data on my > system. I am to call him back and he will be prepared to work > through the system with me. Maybe then I will finally get my plane > flying. All together I only have about 11 flight hours on the > plane. I am determined to stick with it and work the bugs out this time. :) > > For now I can report that they are very business like in their > response, say they have plenty of resources, and intend to get the > new company on the road. I got no feeling that they were going to > sideslip old problems. Those of you who have issues with NSI, I > suggest you give them a new call. > > Jim Crowder > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:33 PM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Fabric --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" I'm interested in photos if you wouldn't mind. Brett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Fabric > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" > > > Hi Bill, > > I recently completed covering and paint of my model 5 which is destined > for > floats and put seaplane style drain grommets in every wing bay, stabilizer > bay and elevator bay. I also put one at any point in the fuselage where > water might be trapped against a tube. Pictures are available if you're > interested. > > Joel > Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:17 PM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Completion Pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" Yes, promise I will. Keep an eye on s/flight...you may be able to give me some pointers Rick. Gosh, the little soob engine seems to be going so well, something must be about to go wrong....~j~ From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Completion Pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" John as always beautiful work, now take off her blouse so we can see it all. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall Subject: Kitfox-List: New Completion Pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" John Anderson has posted two great photos of his newly completed KF. Congratulations John! Good looking plane! http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=Completi ons Click on the first entry. Don Pearsall Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:11 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" Bill, It is the L-1 LED. It is 2 5/8' long, is 6,000 candle power and burns for 130 hours. The cost is only $11.52. 2 5/8" long is perfect for the KItfox cockpit. Jeff > [Original Message] > From: Chenoweth > To: > Date: 9/12/2005 6:23:36 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" > > Jeff, > What is the model number or name of the flashlights you bought? > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Puls" > To: > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > > > If you guys want some cool instrument lighting here is a suggestion. I > went > > to the Pelican website. They sell flashlights. There is a very small one > > that has a little clip on it. I bought two of these and put adel clamps on > > them and put them on the overhead braces each side. I tilted them > downward. > > They come with red and green lens. Plenty of light and they look cool on > > the instruments. They take about three nicad batteries (wafer type) and > > will go about 200 hours (So they say). They look professionally mounted > and > > they look like they belong there. Cheap! Jeff Classic IV > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Andrew Matthaey > > > To: > > > Date: 9/9/2005 10:58:03 PM > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > > > > Wow - I took the 'Fox up tonight...It was NOTHING short of incredible - > > > there aren't words. I haven't installed the instrument lighting, but I > > went > > > up anyway with a flashlight, though I didn't end up using it. I could > > just > > > make out the white hands on the instruments, and I knew where they > should > > be > > > - and I was able to keep altitude/airspeed very nicely. > > > > > > I climbed up to two thousand feet and just cruised with the doors open, > > > enjoying the warm night air (a temp. inversion had already begun). A > > local > > > airport - Sanford, ME, had one of the runways lit up like a christmas > > tree, > > > complete with the "rabbit" for the ILS. Portsmouth, NH was gorgeous, and > > I > > > even saw some fireworks! If it weren't for my buddy waiting for me on > the > > > ground, I would never have come down :) > > > > > > I started my descent and just crossed the threshold on short final when > > the > > > runway lights went out. I fiddled with the handheld to turn them back on > > and > > > then went around for another shot. I watched the landing light hit the > > > pavement and made a greaser of a wheel-landing - absolutely perfect! > > > > > > I'm still grinning ear-to-ear, two hours later! What a privilege! > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > >From: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > >Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:31:49 -0400 > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > > > > > > > >Of course, Canada always follows suit! LoL...j/k > > > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Steve Zakreski > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:17:35 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski > > > > > > > > > >... and Canada > > > > > > > > > >SteveZ > > > > >Calgary, Canada > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > > > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > > > > >Matthaey > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out of > > school > > > >- > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > >little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see > Norway...I'm > > > > >mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for Virgin > > > > >Atlantic > > > > > > > > > >Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I > almost > > > >got > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > >non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead > though! > > > > > > > > > >I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to allow > > > >pilots > > > > >to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket... > > > > > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Michel Verheughe > > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR > > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200 > > > > > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Andrew Matthaey wrote: > > > > > > > I love flying at night > > > > > > > > > > > >That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight license, > I > > > > >can't > > > > > > > > > > >fly > > > > > >at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I like > it > > > > >very > > > > > >much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my > position > > > > >from > > > > > >bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago is > > very > > > > > >complex > > > > > >but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white sector. > > When > > > >it > > > > > >gets > > > > > >red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's very > > > > >exciting > > > > > >to > > > > > >pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the > right > > > > >track > > > > > >because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel and > > made > > > > >it > > > > > >safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >Enjoy your night flying, friend! > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Michel > > > > > > > > > > > >do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:07 PM PST US From: "Gary Randall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Fabric --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Randall" Hi Joel, Could you please send me the pictures you have I am also going for floats and will love to see your pics. Thanks Gary Randall M7 just thinking about covering gryfz450@hotmail.com Do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:28 PM PST US From: AMuller589@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VNE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com this is a copy of our original limitations page from our Pilot Operating Handbook for the Kitfox series V. I lined out the parts not applicable to our long swept forward long wing. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:44 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VNE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" OOPs, you may have tried to attach the page to the email. The list cannot support attachments. Can you copy and paste into the body of the email, or just upload to Sportflight? Don Pearsall, List janitor -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMuller589@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VNE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com this is a copy of our original limitations page from our Pilot Operating Handbook for the Kitfox series V. I lined out the parts not applicable to our long swept forward long wing. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:51 PM PST US From: AMuller589@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VNE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com have been trying to cut and paste but no can do yet. will retry ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:22 PM PST US From: AMuller589@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VNE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com These are the limits out of our KItfox V Pilot Operating Handbook. I had marked out the shortwing limits to preclude user errors. the deleted short wing numbers are: Va = 107 mph Vy = 65 mph Vx =63 mph Vso = 45 mph ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:30 PM PST US From: AMuller589@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VNE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com made several attempts to send a copy of the original Pilots Operating Handbook AIRSPEED LIMITS but unable so am typing it. Vne (never exceed, glide,dive, or smooth air ) 140 mph Vfe (flap extension speed) 80 mph Va ((maneuvering speed ) short wing 107 mph/ long wing 109 mph Vno (max structural cruising speed) 120 mph Vy (best rate climb) short wing 65 mph long wing 70 mph Vx (best angle of climb) short wing 63 mph long wing 64 mph Vso ( stall speed, landing config) short wing 48 mph long wing 48 mph ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:17 PM PST US From: Jim Crowder Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changes at NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder At 04:25 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > >Hey Jim, I could give you one of my ignitions if you need....My engine is >off after a breakdown so I will not be needing it anytime soon...let me >know! > >Howard Firm >508 12th St. South >Virginia MN 55792 Thanks Howard, that is a great and generous offer and I will keep it in mind. For now I want to get a better feel for what is wrong. From reading past emails, it seems that the pickup is a likely problem. I know about zero about ignition systems. When we discovered the problem last week, it was late in the day and I had to call it quits. I will try to find the pickups and check connections. Bob Eatwell, the new guy developing electrical systems suggested doing that, as well as determining if there was even a small change in RPM between two and and then the one good ignition alone. He said this would be a clue for him. I sure wish I had a good manual on the ignition system, but I doubt one exists. Bob also promised to obtain what information there was and to share it with me. He said he knew there were a lot of these systems out there and he would need to support them. His current job is working on new systems for other than EA81 engines as I understood him. He did say there were plenty of resources available to the new company. I need to leave for Minnesota early Wednesday for about a week, so any investigation will need to be after that. In addition to the ignition problem, a leak developed in my right fuel tank during the previous week. When it rains, it seems to pour, or in my case leak. I am hoping it is in the quick drain/fiberglass tank interface. I had those apart last year before I found my that my leaks then were related to the old clear fuel level tubing. That does not appear to be the cause of the current leak. I will report any new info when it develops. The phone number at NSI is unchanged. The formal name change is apparently in the works and I believe the new company will take over the assets of NSI. Please remember I do not claim to be reporting actual factual information, just my understanding of what is happening. Sort of second hand gossip. I know a lot of people didn't, but I always liked Lance and thought he was very talented and and that he generally tried to do good work. I also recognize that too many people reported to have been hurt in their dealings with Lance. Not good. I am very pleased to know that the product will continue to be supported. That is very important to those of us with NSI products. Thanks again fellows. Jim Crowder Do Not Archive