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1. 01:41 AM - Re: "Rex & Jan Shaw" (John Anderson)
2. 03:23 AM - Farewell (Peter Brookes)
3. 03:43 AM - pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk (RV73HL@aol.com)
4. 04:10 AM - Skystar (RV73HL@aol.com)
5. 04:51 AM - SV: Farewell (Michel Verheughe)
6. 06:51 AM - 912 won't stop (Shane Sather)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: 912 won't stop (Fox5flyer)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Farewell (Don Pearsall)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons (Michael Gibbs)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons (Michael Gibbs)
11. 09:45 AM - Re: Kit Delays (was Re: "Rex & Jan Shaw" ) (Jim Carriere)
12. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons (Don Smythe)
13. 11:32 AM - wing recovering (ron schick)
14. 12:26 PM - Re: wing recovering (Don Smythe)
15. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Skystars facts about flaperons (Michel Verheughe)
16. 01:03 PM - Re: Night VFR (Chenoweth)
17. 01:23 PM - Re: wing recovering (Tom Jones)
18. 02:20 PM - Re: wing recovering (Fox5flyer)
19. 02:34 PM - Rotec R2800 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
20. 04:56 PM - Series 6 smooth cowl Exhaust (jdmcbean)
21. 05:07 PM - Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons (Jerry Liles)
22. 05:23 PM - Re: Skystars facts about flaperons (James Shumaker)
23. 05:34 PM - jimcarriere@yahoo.com (RV73HL@AOL.COM)
24. 06:39 PM - Re: 912 won't stop (Bob Robertson)
25. 06:45 PM - Re: jimcarriere@yahoo.com (Rick)
26. 06:51 PM - Re: Night VFR (Jeffrey Puls)
27. 06:52 PM - Night VFR (DPREMGOOD@aol.com)
Message 1
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Thanks a million Lowell but I'll e-mail them and get one on the way. Kind
wish, John A.
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Skystar's service should be fine. A good friend of mine is there now and is
a real Kitfox junkie. Incidentally, the secure site is in the plans, but
that is all I know.
Give a call and ask for Mark.
For John, My wife flies to Sydney frequently and she buys an international
phone card which allows us to have regular phone conversations at very
little cost - I am California. She is flying out today and gave me orders
to have my phone on my belt this weekend. If that is not possible where you
reside, contact me of list and I will get the details and order one for you
and arrange its delivery.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV73HL@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
>
>"Rex & Jan Shaw" _rexjan@bigpond.com_ (mailto:rexjan@bigpond.com)
>
>Fill me in...I'm new...Is service from Sksystar not too good, or what?
>
>Thanks. Howard
>
>
Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @
http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Brookes" <pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Friends,
What can I say? I have not been a major contributor to this list, but have
enjoyed the useful tips and information found here. It is with some
sadness that I say goodbye to you all, and a lot of sadness I say farewell
to my Fox!
It has been a hard decision, but due to work and family commitments I have
not been able to fly as much as I want, and the Fox should be flown and
enjoyed as much as possible! It is sad to have her in sat in the hangar
for weeks at a time.
I have found a keen buyer who is looking to take her places and fly as
much as possible, so my sadness is lightened a little!
I will be buying a share in another aircraft yet to be determined, but it
will be the most cost effective way for me to continue flying! My heart
will always flutter every time I see a Fox fly past :-)
Thanks for your support and assistance I have received over recent years.
Pete.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
_pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk_ (mailto:pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk)
Pete:
I know how you feel. I live on an Air Ranch, spent four years (with the
help of some good friends) to build and RV6-A.
Due to a heart bypass in 1995, I've been flying on a Special Medical. The
Damn FAA has gotten so unreal and hard to deal with, I said at my age (81), to
hell with them, and I sold the RV, and bought me a sweet IV and I'm flying as
a Sport Pilot. I love the Fox.
Good luck Pete, and time will heal the pain, and one of these days, you'll
be back in the blue doing your thing.
Howard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
_janderson412@hotmail.com_ (mailto:janderson412@hotmail.com) ,
_toolowterrain@gmail.com_ (mailto:toolowterrain@gmail.com) , _lcfitt@sbcglobal.net_
(mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net) , _pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk_
(mailto:pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk) , _roncarolnikko@hotmail.com_ (mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com)
Thanks to all of you for your comments re/my posting. This makes me feel
much better.
Howard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Peter Brookes [pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk]
> Thanks for your support and assistance I have received over recent years.
Thank you for informing us, Pete. Good luck with your life.
I belong to a group of virtual pilots (simulator) and we all have a "good vibes
machine" that we activate now and then when a friend needs it. They are placed
in Cape Town, Hilversum, Genoa, Bern, West Palm Beach, Calgary, Isle of Man,
Eindhoven and ... near Oslo.
I 'll fire up mine and direct it toward the U.K!
If you are ever coming back to Kitfox aviation ... we'll be here!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <shane2005@qiniq.com>
I was able to finally get out to my plane ,after the snow quit, and check
the wires better. And with the information that included a picture from Mr.
Mc Bean I was able to correct the problem. It was the P-lead wire, it was
broken right at a quick connector. I had to remove the connector and splice
the wires together.
Thank you for all the help
Shane
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| Subject: | Re: 912 won't stop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Snow?
>
> I was able to finally get out to my plane ,after the snow quit, and check
> the wires better. And with the information that included a picture from
Mr.
> Mc Bean I was able to correct the problem. It was the P-lead wire, it was
> broken right at a quick connector. I had to remove the connector and
splice
> the wires together.
>
>
> Thank you for all the help
>
> Shane
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Good Luck Peter! It will not be long before you are back in the air. You are
always welcome here and even though you will not be subscribed, remember
that you can read the messages via the Matronics web site.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brookes
Subject: Kitfox-List: Farewell
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Brookes"
<pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Friends,
What can I say? I have not been a major contributor to this list, but have
enjoyed the useful tips and information found here. It is with some
sadness that I say goodbye to you all, and a lot of sadness I say farewell
to my Fox!
It has been a hard decision, but due to work and family commitments I have
not been able to fly as much as I want, and the Fox should be flown and
enjoyed as much as possible! It is sad to have her in sat in the hangar
for weeks at a time.
I have found a keen buyer who is looking to take her places and fly as
much as possible, so my sadness is lightened a little!
I will be buying a share in another aircraft yet to be determined, but it
will be the most cost effective way for me to continue flying! My heart
will always flutter every time I see a Fox fly past :-)
Thanks for your support and assistance I have received over recent years.
Pete.
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>...he added full flaps with left stick. The left flaperon was just
>about zero angle while the right flaperon was darn near pointing
>straight down to the ground.
That definitely sounds like too much flap deflection Don!
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Paul,
>Without the bulletin, one would tend to believe what the
>manufacturer writes in a Pilot Guide when that is all the
>information he can find on the specific subject.
I suspect that the Pilot's Guide (which is an excellent resource and
very well written) simply pre-dates the bulletin. So what Ed says in
it is accurate as of that time.
>Incidentally, does that bulletin say why it is limiting it to 22 degrees?
The rationale was that the flaperons, when used as flaps, primarily
produce lift and there is very little additional lift provided past
20 to 25 degrees. Beyond that point, though, there is a substantial
limiting of aileron authority, therefore 22 degrees was deemed the
"optimal" max.
I'm going out to the shop today so I'll get the reference for that
bulletin for you.
>I would definitely suggest posting that bulletin of sportflight and
>any others the rest of us aren't aware of.
That would be a big job, since I don't know which ones people may
have missed so I'd have to post all of them! :-)
I'd be surprised if there isn't a master list somewhere already.
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Carriere <jimcarriere@yahoo.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose"
...
> In April of this year I sold my Series 5 and shortly thereafter
> ordered a
> Series 7. I was hesitant to place an order with Skystar knowing
...
> I was told to expect a June delivery date. In mid-June I began
...
> in August I was told it would be delivered very soon! It's now
> mid-September and I still have no kit! The last excuse was that
Len, I am sorry that you too are having a bad experience. I am
waiting on delivery of some parts.
I ordered (and paid in full) my kit in January 2004, with a delivery
date of that April. One excuse for delay was my kit was
"accidentally sold to a different customer." This excuse was
recycled last fall and used on another fellow on this list. Most of
the kit showed up in August, several parts were on a backorder list.
Skystar never warned me that backordering is a standard practice
for them, I learned the day my kit arrived. As of now I am still
waiting for my landing gear.
No point mincing words. Skystar lied to you by telling you to
expect delivery in two months. Most of my problems happened while
Ed Downs was still working there. In hindsight, I mostly blame him
for keeping me in the dark either deliberately or by incompetence.
He is gone now but apparently Skystar is still the same. Sometimes
I think they are imitating the BD-5 business model.
If I had done more research before paying for my Kitfox, I probably
would have bought something else, but that is my problem now. If I
had been told to expect a six month wait, maybe I would be just
another Kitfox builder. One thing, I am glad I bought my engine
elsewhere (Rotec R2800- excellent customer service by the way). It
has been sitting in a crate in my garage for several months.
I enjoy building my airplane. When I finish, I will enjoy flying
it. I enjoy reading this list, the camraderie, advice, and most of
all the knowledge shared here. No doubt a few more people will post
negative experiences similar to mine and yours, or mention that this
subject has come up a few times and is in the archives. Also, a few
people may post good experiences, with the hope that things will
improve (I don't mind that, I hope things improve too). Maybe one
or two will post a good experience and insist that Skystar has good
customer service- these posts I find infuriating. They are the
voices of people who were not tricked out of thousands of dollars.
If there are enough negative posts someone from Skystar may post
something to attempt to put the fire out.
Rant over. I sincerely hope you get your kit soon.
Jim in NW FL
Series 7 in progress
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
It "WAS" too much flap. He went full flaps (30 degrees or whatever). That
was my point, IMHO, full flaps on a Kitfox is too much and it should be
reduced to an angle that does not cause squirely operation whether that be
22 degrees more or less.
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings
FLapperons
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
>>...he added full flaps with left stick. The left flaperon was just
>>about zero angle while the right flaperon was darn near pointing
>>straight down to the ground.
>
> That definitely sounds like too much flap deflection Don!
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I am going to recover a previously done wing. Do I need to remove the
flaperon attach brackets? The previous cover is under the hanger brackets
which are riveted to the ribs. Also has anyone made plexiglass side windows
instead ot the plastic stock ones? Thanks Ron NB Ore.
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| Subject: | Re: wing recovering |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I would think you would have to remove the brackets to get a good cover job.
As far as the little side windows, I covered over them with fabric (no side
windows). Looks good, can't see much out of them anyway and saves weight
(IMO)
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: wing recovering
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> I am going to recover a previously done wing. Do I need to remove the
> flaperon attach brackets? The previous cover is under the hanger brackets
> which are riveted to the ribs. Also has anyone made plexiglass side
> windows
> instead ot the plastic stock ones? Thanks Ron NB Ore.
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars facts about flaperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Michael Gibbs wrote:
> I suspect that the Pilot's Guide (which is an excellent resource and
> very well written) simply pre-dates the bulletin.
Well ... Mike, my friend ... here it is, for the fourth time:
The year was 1991. A fine year it was. And that year, Denney Aerocraft
Corportation wrote in its Owner Manual for the Kitfox model III: [quote] "You
should build a stop for the flaps handle to restrict flap deflection to 23
degrees. Deflection beyond 23 degrees tend to restrict aileron travel and
effectiveness. Exercise caution on final approach in gusty or crosswind
conditions not to use so much flaps that aileron effectiveness is diminished."
[end quote]
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Jeff,
Nothing is simple. I found that the Pelican people won't sell to me so I'm
in contact with a local marine outfit which carries the lights.
On Pelican's web site I found an L1 LED light (no price on the web site)
that fit your description but had only a white lens.
I found another one that was part of a kit including mounting hardware and
some kind of swivel thing and it had both red and green lenses. But it
turns out to be $32 more or less.
Not to be an ongoing pest but do you happen to have a part number or
something equivalent that I can use to get one of these things?
Actually, the $32 kit didn't sound all that bad, but being nearly three
times what you paid I figure I should investigate further.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> Bill,
> It is the L-1 LED. It is 2 5/8' long, is 6,000 candle power and burns for
> 130 hours. The cost is only $11.52. 2 5/8" long is perfect for the KItfox
> cockpit. Jeff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Chenoweth <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 9/12/2005 6:23:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> >
> > Jeff,
> > What is the model number or name of the flashlights you bought?
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
> <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > If you guys want some cool instrument lighting here is a suggestion. I
> > went
> > > to the Pelican website. They sell flashlights. There is a very small
one
> > > that has a little clip on it. I bought two of these and put adel
clamps
> on
> > > them and put them on the overhead braces each side. I tilted them
> > downward.
> > > They come with red and green lens. Plenty of light and they look cool
on
> > > the instruments. They take about three nicad batteries (wafer type)
and
> > > will go about 200 hours (So they say). They look professionally
mounted
> > and
> > > they look like they belong there. Cheap! Jeff Classic IV
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Date: 9/9/2005 10:58:03 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > Wow - I took the 'Fox up tonight...It was NOTHING short of
incredible
> -
> > > > there aren't words. I haven't installed the instrument lighting, but
I
> > > went
> > > > up anyway with a flashlight, though I didn't end up using it. I
could
> > > just
> > > > make out the white hands on the instruments, and I knew where they
> > should
> > > be
> > > > - and I was able to keep altitude/airspeed very nicely.
> > > >
> > > > I climbed up to two thousand feet and just cruised with the doors
> open,
> > > > enjoying the warm night air (a temp. inversion had already begun). A
> > > local
> > > > airport - Sanford, ME, had one of the runways lit up like a
christmas
> > > tree,
> > > > complete with the "rabbit" for the ILS. Portsmouth, NH was gorgeous,
> and
> > > I
> > > > even saw some fireworks! If it weren't for my buddy waiting for me
on
> > the
> > > > ground, I would never have come down :)
> > > >
> > > > I started my descent and just crossed the threshold on short final
> when
> > > the
> > > > runway lights went out. I fiddled with the handheld to turn them
back
> on
> > > and
> > > > then went around for another shot. I watched the landing light hit
the
> > > > pavement and made a greaser of a wheel-landing - absolutely perfect!
> > > >
> > > > I'm still grinning ear-to-ear, two hours later! What a privilege!
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > >Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:31:49 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course, Canada always follows suit! LoL...j/k
> > > > >
> > > > >Andrew
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:17:35 -0600
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >... and Canada
> > > > > >
> > > > > >SteveZ
> > > > > >Calgary, Canada
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew
> > > > > >Matthaey
> > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > > ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out of
> > > school
> > > > >-
> > > > > >a
> > > > > >
> > > > > >little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see
> > Norway...I'm
> > > > > >mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for
Virgin
> > > > > >Atlantic
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I
> > almost
> > > > >got
> > > > > >a
> > > > > >
> > > > > >non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead
> > though!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to
allow
> > > > >pilots
> > > > > >to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Andrew
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> > > <michel@online.no>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> > > > > > > > I love flying at night
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight
> license,
> > I
> > > > > >can't
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >fly
> > > > > > >at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I
> like
> > it
> > > > > >very
> > > > > > >much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my
> > position
> > > > > >from
> > > > > > >bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish archipelago
is
> > > very
> > > > > > >complex
> > > > > > >but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white
sector.
> > > When
> > > > >it
> > > > > > >gets
> > > > > > >red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's
very
> > > > > >exciting
> > > > > > >to
> > > > > > >pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on the
> > right
> > > > > >track
> > > > > > >because, before you, many fishermen have used the same channel
> and
> > > made
> > > > > >it
> > > > > > >safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Enjoy your night flying, friend!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Cheers,
> > > > > > >Michel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >do not archive
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing recovering |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Ron,
Yes you need to remove the flapperon brackets. I used a 1/8th (.1250
in.) drill bit. It is slightly smaller than the #30 drill (.1285 in.)
that was used to make the holes. Number or otherwise mark the brackets
as you remove them. They were hand drilled on the ribs so each one is
slightly different and must go back on where it came off.
Tom Jones, Classic 4, Ellensburg, Washington
ron schick wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
>I am going to recover a previously done wing. Do I need to remove the
>flaperon attach brackets? The previous cover is under the hanger brackets
>which are riveted to the ribs. Also has anyone made plexiglass side windows
>instead ot the plastic stock ones? Thanks Ron NB Ore.
>do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing recovering |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Ron, you'll probably have to drill them out. Not a real big deal. Just
keep track of which brackets go in each spot so when you re-rivet they'll
match up. Actually, all the hard work is already done for you.
As for the side windows, by all means, use plexi glass. Just rig up some
sort of frame work and glue it in there with double sided sticky tape or
something. It'll look much better than the sewn in type.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: wing recovering
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
<roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> I am going to recover a previously done wing. Do I need to remove the
> flaperon attach brackets? The previous cover is under the hanger brackets
> which are riveted to the ribs. Also has anyone made plexiglass side
windows
> instead ot the plastic stock ones? Thanks Ron NB Ore.
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Jim,
Hurry up and get that thing in the air! I want a report on how that engine
performs.
OK, I will try to be patient. I am sure you want to fly it soon too. Do
the work to the quality that pleases you. You will be flying it for a long
time.
Randy
Do not archive.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Carriere
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kit Delays (was Re: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
<rexjan@bigpond.com>)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Carriere <jimcarriere@yahoo.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose"
...
> In April of this year I sold my Series 5 and shortly thereafter
> ordered a
> Series 7. I was hesitant to place an order with Skystar knowing
...
> I was told to expect a June delivery date. In mid-June I began
...
> in August I was told it would be delivered very soon! It's now
> mid-September and I still have no kit! The last excuse was that
Len, I am sorry that you too are having a bad experience. I am
waiting on delivery of some parts.
I ordered (and paid in full) my kit in January 2004, with a delivery
date of that April. One excuse for delay was my kit was
"accidentally sold to a different customer." This excuse was
recycled last fall and used on another fellow on this list. Most of
the kit showed up in August, several parts were on a backorder list.
Skystar never warned me that backordering is a standard practice
for them, I learned the day my kit arrived. As of now I am still
waiting for my landing gear.
No point mincing words. Skystar lied to you by telling you to
expect delivery in two months. Most of my problems happened while
Ed Downs was still working there. In hindsight, I mostly blame him
for keeping me in the dark either deliberately or by incompetence.
He is gone now but apparently Skystar is still the same. Sometimes
I think they are imitating the BD-5 business model.
If I had done more research before paying for my Kitfox, I probably
would have bought something else, but that is my problem now. If I
had been told to expect a six month wait, maybe I would be just
another Kitfox builder. One thing, I am glad I bought my engine
elsewhere (Rotec R2800- excellent customer service by the way). It
has been sitting in a crate in my garage for several months.
I enjoy building my airplane. When I finish, I will enjoy flying
it. I enjoy reading this list, the camraderie, advice, and most of
all the knowledge shared here. No doubt a few more people will post
negative experiences similar to mine and yours, or mention that this
subject has come up a few times and is in the archives. Also, a few
people may post good experiences, with the hope that things will
improve (I don't mind that, I hope things improve too). Maybe one
or two will post a good experience and insist that Skystar has good
customer service- these posts I find infuriating. They are the
voices of people who were not tricked out of thousands of dollars.
If there are enough negative posts someone from Skystar may post
something to attempt to put the fire out.
Rant over. I sincerely hope you get your kit soon.
Jim in NW FL
Series 7 in progress
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Series 6 smooth cowl Exhaust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I have a new Series 6 exhaust system available.. SS sells for about $1000..
Anyone looking for one or want one as a backup give a shout. Also have a
brand new Warp for the Rotax 9 series engines.
Anyone interested please contact me off-list.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings FLapperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Now you know the reason the flaps are limited to 22 deg. If the flaps
are deployed too far using the ailerons can cause the down deflected
flap to deploy so far it can stall, resulting in effective control
reversal. There have been accidents caused by this. Remember the flaps
are also the ailerons and they are airfoils! Flaps that are just flaps
are routinely deployed to 33deg but adding aileron to fully deployed
flaps results in much greater deflection. Dean Wilson, the designer of
the original Avid Model A/ Kitfox Mk I limited the flaps to 15deg.
Jerry Liles
Don Smythe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> I haven't been following this thread too close but will give my
>experience using "full" flaps. My NASA Eng buddy was flying my fox one day
>and decided to use flaps. As he was turning left on final, he added full
>flaps. The plane went into a strange side slip to the right. The more he
>added left aileron, the worse the condition got. He took off the flaps,
>landed normal and headed back to the hanger for his evaluation as to, "what
>the heck caused that"?
> Once in the hanger, he added full flaps with left stick. The left
>flaperon was just about zero angle while the right flaperon was darn near
>pointing straight down to the ground. The right flaperon was acting as a
>huge air brake while the left one was doing nothing. Therefore, a very
>uncoordinated right turn resulted when a left turn was initiated and full
>flaps.
>
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV W/ 582
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystars facts about flaperonsSV: landings
>FLapperons
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars facts about flaperons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Michel
Just for fun I measured the flap deflection on my model III. I was quite surprised
to find that the total deflection was 9 degrees. Yep, any more than 9 degrees
and the roll deflection was interfered with. This is probably why the model
III guys say the flaps don't do much in the way of steepening the approach.
Pay no attention to those that do not seem to respond to your clarification
of the max flap deflection. Remember that you have empowered them to learn
and they are now in the process of discovering the truth for themselves. It is
an old teachers way of rationalizing the fact that they will not remember what
you tell them or believe that you are right until they have "discovered" the
truth in their own way.
Jim Shumaker
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
Can you give me a short history on Skystar for the past 10 years. From what
I am reading on the list, I'm hearing good and bad from their customers. If
they are having problems, what do you think they are and why?
Thanks Jim.
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: 912 won't stop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hey FoxFlier.....
I bet Shane has one of the most northernly K-F's in the world. He's lucky
if the piddle can under the bed thaws out in July Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca8
)
Shane...Glad you found the problem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 won't stop
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Snow?
>
> >
> > I was able to finally get out to my plane ,after the snow quit, and
check
> > the wires better. And with the information that included a picture from
> Mr.
> > Mc Bean I was able to correct the problem. It was the P-lead wire, it
was
> > broken right at a quick connector. I had to remove the connector and
> splice
> > the wires together.
> >
> >
> > Thank you for all the help
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Hummm, I know fire everyone and bring in folks that just care about making
money but have no creative genius or enthusiasm for the sport or product.
Make sure the name is changed to something close but distant enough to allow
product association without carrying over any negative aspects. Don't come
forth with a public announcement in any aviation magazine or web forum so as
to keep it a mystery or rumor until they find out if they can really pull it
off. Look familiar.
Rick
N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RV73HL@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: jimcarriere@yahoo.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
Can you give me a short history on Skystar for the past 10 years. From
what
I am reading on the list, I'm hearing good and bad from their customers.
If
they are having problems, what do you think they are and why?
Thanks Jim.
Howard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Bill,
I'll look at my receipts and tell you where I bought it. Jeff
> [Original Message]
> From: Chenoweth <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/16/2005 4:02:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
> Jeff,
> Nothing is simple. I found that the Pelican people won't sell to me so
I'm
> in contact with a local marine outfit which carries the lights.
> On Pelican's web site I found an L1 LED light (no price on the web site)
> that fit your description but had only a white lens.
> I found another one that was part of a kit including mounting hardware and
> some kind of swivel thing and it had both red and green lenses. But it
> turns out to be $32 more or less.
> Not to be an ongoing pest but do you happen to have a part number or
> something equivalent that I can use to get one of these things?
>
> Actually, the $32 kit didn't sound all that bad, but being nearly three
> times what you paid I figure I should investigate further.
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
<pulsair@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Bill,
> > It is the L-1 LED. It is 2 5/8' long, is 6,000 candle power and burns
for
> > 130 hours. The cost is only $11.52. 2 5/8" long is perfect for the
KItfox
> > cockpit. Jeff
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Chenoweth <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 9/12/2005 6:23:36 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > > What is the model number or name of the flashlights you bought?
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
> > <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > > >
> > > > If you guys want some cool instrument lighting here is a
suggestion. I
> > > went
> > > > to the Pelican website. They sell flashlights. There is a very small
> one
> > > > that has a little clip on it. I bought two of these and put adel
> clamps
> > on
> > > > them and put them on the overhead braces each side. I tilted them
> > > downward.
> > > > They come with red and green lens. Plenty of light and they look
cool
> on
> > > > the instruments. They take about three nicad batteries (wafer type)
> and
> > > > will go about 200 hours (So they say). They look professionally
> mounted
> > > and
> > > > they look like they belong there. Cheap! Jeff Classic IV
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Date: 9/9/2005 10:58:03 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow - I took the 'Fox up tonight...It was NOTHING short of
> incredible
> > -
> > > > > there aren't words. I haven't installed the instrument lighting,
but
> I
> > > > went
> > > > > up anyway with a flashlight, though I didn't end up using it. I
> could
> > > > just
> > > > > make out the white hands on the instruments, and I knew where they
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > - and I was able to keep altitude/airspeed very nicely.
> > > > >
> > > > > I climbed up to two thousand feet and just cruised with the doors
> > open,
> > > > > enjoying the warm night air (a temp. inversion had already
begun). A
> > > > local
> > > > > airport - Sanford, ME, had one of the runways lit up like a
> christmas
> > > > tree,
> > > > > complete with the "rabbit" for the ILS. Portsmouth, NH was
gorgeous,
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > even saw some fireworks! If it weren't for my buddy waiting for me
> on
> > > the
> > > > > ground, I would never have come down :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I started my descent and just crossed the threshold on short final
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > runway lights went out. I fiddled with the handheld to turn them
> back
> > on
> > > > and
> > > > > then went around for another shot. I watched the landing light hit
> the
> > > > > pavement and made a greaser of a wheel-landing - absolutely
perfect!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still grinning ear-to-ear, two hours later! What a privilege!
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:31:49 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > > ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Of course, Canada always follows suit! LoL...j/k
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Andrew
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:17:35 -0600
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> > <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >... and Canada
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >SteveZ
> > > > > > >Calgary, Canada
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > > > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew
> > > > > > >Matthaey
> > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > > > ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get out
of
> > > > school
> > > > > >-
> > > > > > >a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see
> > > Norway...I'm
> > > > > > >mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for
> Virgin
> > > > > > >Atlantic
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Airways after High School, I was sent to London for training. I
> > > almost
> > > > > >got
> > > > > > >a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong instead
> > > though!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to
> allow
> > > > > >pilots
> > > > > > >to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Andrew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> > > > <michel@online.no>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I love flying at night
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight
> > license,
> > > I
> > > > > > >can't
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >fly
> > > > > > > >at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night and I
> > like
> > > it
> > > > > > >very
> > > > > > > >much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find my
> > > position
> > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > >bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish
archipelago
> is
> > > > very
> > > > > > > >complex
> > > > > > > >but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white
> sector.
> > > > When
> > > > > >it
> > > > > > > >gets
> > > > > > > >red or green, you're too much on one or the other side. It's
> very
> > > > > > >exciting
> > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on
the
> > > right
> > > > > > >track
> > > > > > > >because, before you, many fishermen have used the same
channel
> > and
> > > > made
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > >safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Enjoy your night flying, friend!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Cheers,
> > > > > > > >Michel
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >do not archive
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > >
> > > > >
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I wrote an article about the LED panel lights I installed on my Model IV.
If interested, go to: www.eaa266.org
Click on newsletters and open the March 2004 letter.
Regards,
Doug Remoundos
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