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1. 04:46 AM - Re: thing ma jig? The real name! (Ceashman@AOL.COM)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Vent Line (Don Smythe)
3. 06:24 AM - Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight (Flybradair@cs.com)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Vent Line (jareds)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight (Brett Walmsley)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight (Don Pearsall)
7. 07:56 AM - Re: thing ma jig? The real name! (Steve Zakreski)
8. 08:41 AM - Re: Oil System question (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
9. 08:44 AM - Re: Vent Line (Lowell Fitt)
10. 08:48 AM - Re: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight (Lowell Fitt)
11. 09:05 AM - Re: Vent Line (Rick)
12. 09:35 AM - Re: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight (jdmcbean)
13. 09:45 AM - Re: Vent Line (Don Smythe)
14. 10:15 AM - Re: Prop Pitch (George Wells@adelphia.net)
15. 10:21 AM - Re: Night VFR (Steve Zakreski)
16. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Skystars facts about flaperons - More (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 10:30 AM - Re: Vent Line (Randy Daughenbaugh)
18. 12:02 PM - Re: Vent Line (Michel Verheughe)
19. 02:57 PM - Re: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight (John Anderson)
20. 03:27 PM - cargo pod. (Floran Higgins)
21. 04:45 PM - new plane (Graeme Toft)
22. 04:47 PM - Doors off & GPS mount (HOLZY@aol.com)
23. 05:30 PM - Re: Doors off & GPS mount (John Stoner)
24. 05:44 PM - Re: Doors off & GPS mount (Paul Peerenboom)
25. 07:31 PM - Re: cargo pod. (jdmcbean)
26. 08:31 PM - Re: cargo pod. (Gerns25@netscape.net)
27. 11:32 PM - Re: cargo pod. (SOURDOSTAN@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: thing ma jig? The real name! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/2005 9:38:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
szakreski@shaw.ca writes:
What's the generic name for that thing ma jig that looks like a shock
absorber that stops the door from opening too fast?!
..............................................................................
........................
Steve.
I don't know what the generic name of the Gas Door Spring is. But Skystar
calls it the "Gas Door Spring Kit" for a C4 the item number is 69120.000. Give
them a call, I did, they arrived about 4 working days later.
Go to www.skystar.com click on Parts Sales, top right, click on catalog.
then click on interior. or below.
http://www.skystar.com/Categorized_Options_Catalog_Page.htm
Cheers Eric
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Jared,
I thought you reported this problem a month or so ago and fixed it?
First, "no coils" in either the vent or supply lines. Fold the wings back
and cut the lines so they are "just" long enough to reach. This will give
you the minimum line length needed. Once the wings are back in the flying
position, you should be OK. Just make sure all lines go down hill to the
header immediately.
If you had only the vent line coiled, the header would still have vented
through the supply line but not quite as good. If you had both vent and
supply coiled, then the gas ain't gonna flow too well if at all.
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vent Line
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> On a recent trip my fuel flow slowed down considerably and was not
> keeping the header full.
> Turbulence had knocked the vent line off it's shelf where it was coiled
> up and was hanging beside the header in a loop like the trap in you
> kitchen sink.
>
> Do ya'll think that may have restricted flow and how do you guys route
> your vent line, yet keep it long enough to accomodate wing folding?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jared
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Finally......
After 1420 hours of building spread out over 6 years, 232WB took to the air
for the first time Friday, 9/16/2005. Will not go into all the things that get
in the way while building, certifying and testing, most of you know how hard
it can sometimes be.
With a new airplane and 0 timed overhauled engine my goal was to break in the
engine (2.5 hours at 2400 to 2500 RPM) per lycoming specs on the first
flight--all the while testing a brand new airplane. I now hold all of you on this
list that have accomplished the flying of an aircraft you built in high regard.
What a feeling! Words cannot describe the joy I felt after landing. Then
again, words cannot describe the terror I felt on takeoff and flying over the
airport for 2.5 hours!
Takeoff from the grass strip was uneventful. Liftoff at 55, climb at 80,
groundspeed during the testing was anywhere from 90 to 126 mph. Landing was
another thing. Stressed and thinking about the 1st landing for a couple of hours
while in the air can really wear on a guy! It did not help that the grass strip
is 1600 feet. After 3 attempts---success! (Thank goodness for the Grove-the
first one was a double bouncer, to much adrenaline I guess.)
Some Numbers;
4-24-99 Kit ordered.
6-16-99 Kit arrives. (sorry guys--service was great then)
2-12-00 Joined this list. (Best resource BAR NONE for building a Kitfox).
3-20-03 Firewall forward arrives.(cannot remember when I ordered) Thanks
for the help John Mcbean!
10-04-03 Picked up Lycoming engine in Arkansas (Thanks Jay C.)!
5-13-05 FAA Certification. (Solid 5 hours).
9-16-05 First Flight.
921 pounds empty
51 pounds on the tail
Lycoming O-235L2C
Series 5 Outback
Senenich wood prop
Never Give Up!!!
Pictures in Sportflight under completion's.
Let the fun begin!
Brad Martin
Wichita
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Don,
Thought i cured it too but the turbulence knocked it down into a coiled
up mess which is what I thought the obvious culprit would be.
The main feed lines are all down hill which is why I was concerned that
it still should have kept the header full but it wasn't even keeping up
with the demand of engine.
I"m going to snip a bit off the vent line and then secure it along top
frame to see.
THanks to everyone else also. May have to consider more extreme mods
like you others are doing??
Jared
Don Smythe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>Jared,
> I thought you reported this problem a month or so ago and fixed it?
>First, "no coils" in either the vent or supply lines. Fold the wings back
>and cut the lines so they are "just" long enough to reach. This will give
>you the minimum line length needed. Once the wings are back in the flying
>position, you should be OK. Just make sure all lines go down hill to the
>header immediately.
> If you had only the vent line coiled, the header would still have vented
>through the supply line but not quite as good. If you had both vent and
>supply coiled, then the gas ain't gonna flow too well if at all.
>Don Smythe
>Classic IV W/ 582
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
>To: "ax" <kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Vent Line
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>On a recent trip my fuel flow slowed down considerably and was not
>>keeping the header full.
>>Turbulence had knocked the vent line off it's shelf where it was coiled
>>up and was hanging beside the header in a loop like the trap in you
>>kitchen sink.
>>
>>Do ya'll think that may have restricted flow and how do you guys route
>>your vent line, yet keep it long enough to accomodate wing folding?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Congratulations!
I have been watching for this post.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Flybradair@cs.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
>
> Finally......
>
> After 1420 hours of building spread out over 6 years, 232WB took to the
> air
> for the first time Friday, 9/16/2005. Will not go into all the things that
> get
> in the way while building, certifying and testing, most of you know how
> hard
> it can sometimes be.
>
> With a new airplane and 0 timed overhauled engine my goal was to break in
> the
> engine (2.5 hours at 2400 to 2500 RPM) per lycoming specs on the first
> flight--all the while testing a brand new airplane. I now hold all of you
> on this
> list that have accomplished the flying of an aircraft you built in high
> regard.
>
> What a feeling! Words cannot describe the joy I felt after landing. Then
> again, words cannot describe the terror I felt on takeoff and flying over
> the
> airport for 2.5 hours!
>
> Takeoff from the grass strip was uneventful. Liftoff at 55, climb at 80,
> groundspeed during the testing was anywhere from 90 to 126 mph. Landing
> was
> another thing. Stressed and thinking about the 1st landing for a couple of
> hours
> while in the air can really wear on a guy! It did not help that the grass
> strip
> is 1600 feet. After 3 attempts---success! (Thank goodness for the
> Grove-the
> first one was a double bouncer, to much adrenaline I guess.)
>
> Some Numbers;
>
>
> 4-24-99 Kit ordered.
> 6-16-99 Kit arrives. (sorry guys--service was great then)
> 2-12-00 Joined this list. (Best resource BAR NONE for building a
> Kitfox).
> 3-20-03 Firewall forward arrives.(cannot remember when I ordered) Thanks
> for the help John Mcbean!
> 10-04-03 Picked up Lycoming engine in Arkansas (Thanks Jay C.)!
> 5-13-05 FAA Certification. (Solid 5 hours).
> 9-16-05 First Flight.
>
> 921 pounds empty
> 51 pounds on the tail
> Lycoming O-235L2C
> Series 5 Outback
> Senenich wood prop
>
> Never Give Up!!!
>
> Pictures in Sportflight under completion's.
>
> Let the fun begin!
>
> Brad Martin
> Wichita
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Way to go Brad! Congratulations! I bet you are still high from your Friday
flight.
Also thanks for being a member of the list for so long. I agree, no one
should build a KF without the help of all on this list.
I checked out the pics on Sportflight. Beautiful plane. Nice panel too. Now
go fly some more!
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Flybradair@cs.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Finally......
After 1420 hours of building spread out over 6 years, 232WB took to the air
for the first time Friday, 9/16/2005. Will not go into all the things that
get
in the way while building, certifying and testing, most of you know how hard
it can sometimes be.
With a new airplane and 0 timed overhauled engine my goal was to break in
the
engine (2.5 hours at 2400 to 2500 RPM) per lycoming specs on the first
flight--all the while testing a brand new airplane. I now hold all of you
on this
list that have accomplished the flying of an aircraft you built in high
regard.
What a feeling! Words cannot describe the joy I felt after landing. Then
again, words cannot describe the terror I felt on takeoff and flying over
the
airport for 2.5 hours!
Takeoff from the grass strip was uneventful. Liftoff at 55, climb at 80,
groundspeed during the testing was anywhere from 90 to 126 mph. Landing was
another thing. Stressed and thinking about the 1st landing for a couple of
hours
while in the air can really wear on a guy! It did not help that the grass
strip
is 1600 feet. After 3 attempts---success! (Thank goodness for the Grove-the
first one was a double bouncer, to much adrenaline I guess.)
Some Numbers;
4-24-99 Kit ordered.
6-16-99 Kit arrives. (sorry guys--service was great then)
2-12-00 Joined this list. (Best resource BAR NONE for building a Kitfox).
3-20-03 Firewall forward arrives.(cannot remember when I ordered) Thanks
for the help John Mcbean!
10-04-03 Picked up Lycoming engine in Arkansas (Thanks Jay C.)!
5-13-05 FAA Certification. (Solid 5 hours).
9-16-05 First Flight.
921 pounds empty
51 pounds on the tail
Lycoming O-235L2C
Series 5 Outback
Senenich wood prop
Never Give Up!!!
Pictures in Sportflight under completion's.
Let the fun begin!
Brad Martin
Wichita
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| Subject: | thing ma jig? The real name! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Thanks everyone. 'Bunch of smart asses.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Ceashman@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thing ma jig? The real name!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/2005 9:38:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
szakreski@shaw.ca writes:
What's the generic name for that thing ma jig that looks like a shock
absorber that stops the door from opening too fast?!
............................................................................
..
........................
Steve.
I don't know what the generic name of the Gas Door Spring is. But Skystar
calls it the "Gas Door Spring Kit" for a C4 the item number is 69120.000.
Give
them a call, I did, they arrived about 4 working days later.
Go to www.skystar.com click on Parts Sales, top right, click on catalog.
then click on interior. or below.
http://www.skystar.com/Categorized_Options_Catalog_Page.htm
Cheers Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Oil System question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
John,
Who would have 'thunk'? And after spending 2 or 3 hours searching all the
remaining SkyStar boxes at least 3 times it took only 3 seconds to find it in
the Rotax box. Once again thank you!
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Rick,
Except for the appearance of the site gauges, what problems do you see with
one tank flowing faster than the other? The reason I ask is that this is a
very common phenonemon in the Kitfox. There has been lots of discussion on
this in the past. The vent in the left tank might be an issue as is the
fact that most of us fly slightly one wing high. This can alter the fuel in
the tank showing a false reading as the high wings fuel will move to the
inboard end of the tank looking fuller and the low wings fuel will be on the
out board end of the tank appearing lower in the sight gauge. Then take
into consideration the fact that the high wing will have a bigger head and
more pressure and should drain faster.
One example, On one of our group cross countries we had stopped for fuel
and everyone was topped up. After a few minutes into our next leg, one of
the guys was seen to be losing fuel from his right wing tank at the filler
neck (we thought he might have lost his fuel cap). when we moved in it was
found that the fuel cap was on and the fuel was coming out of the forward
facing vent. Tucking in behind him we could see that he was flying with the
right wing a bit low and his full fuel load was transferring to his right
tank and out into the air. Once he leveled his wings - no problem. And
this guy was our most experienced pilot. At the time he was just too
engrossed in the scenery, I guess (tons of hours - most in tail draggers up
to DC-3s).
To my knowledge, there has been no issues with running one tank dry and then
feeding from the other tank. The fuel system as designed by SS has not been
an issue as a safety factor and except for the appearance of the fuel levels
and possibly a little more drag as we level the wings to correct the
imbalance, I don't think there is an issue to worry about. Just an opinion.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vent Line
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> I have found that my right tank always flows faster than the left. I think
> this is due to the vent being in the right tank. I plan on adding a second
> header vent to the left tank, but this is not number one on things to do.
> FYI.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marco
> Menezes
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vent Line
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Jared.
>
> Your problem could be related to air trapped in the header tank.
>
> There was a long string awhile ago on venting header tanks. You should
> check
> the archives, there were many good opinions and ideas. What I settled on
> was
> routing the vent line along the right side of cabin at the wing root and,
> at
> the highest point, venting out though the lexan into a rearward facing
> aluminum tube. I also put an Andair check valve (bleeder type) in the vent
> line to keep fuel from getting sucked out but this didn't seem to work. So
> now I just cap the vent after fueling and checking that all air is bled
> out
> of the header. Since the system is all inside the cabin, it doesn't affect
> wing folding at all.
>
> If you want, I can send you a photo.
>
>
> jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
>
> On a recent trip my fuel flow slowed down considerably and was not
> keeping the header full.
> Turbulence had knocked the vent line off it's shelf where it was coiled
> up and was hanging beside the header in a loop like the trap in you
> kitchen sink.
>
> Do ya'll think that may have restricted flow and how do you guys route
> your vent line, yet keep it long enough to accomodate wing folding?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jared
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
>
> ---------------------------------
> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Brad,
Thanks for the report, good write-up and congratulations. Brought back
memories - Fun... Indeed.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Flybradair@cs.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
>
> Finally......
>
> After 1420 hours of building spread out over 6 years, 232WB took to the
> air
> for the first time Friday, 9/16/2005. Will not go into all the things that
> get
> in the way while building, certifying and testing, most of you know how
> hard
> it can sometimes be.
>
> With a new airplane and 0 timed overhauled engine my goal was to break in
> the
> engine (2.5 hours at 2400 to 2500 RPM) per lycoming specs on the first
> flight--all the while testing a brand new airplane. I now hold all of you
> on this
> list that have accomplished the flying of an aircraft you built in high
> regard.
>
> What a feeling! Words cannot describe the joy I felt after landing. Then
> again, words cannot describe the terror I felt on takeoff and flying over
> the
> airport for 2.5 hours!
>
> Takeoff from the grass strip was uneventful. Liftoff at 55, climb at 80,
> groundspeed during the testing was anywhere from 90 to 126 mph. Landing
> was
> another thing. Stressed and thinking about the 1st landing for a couple of
> hours
> while in the air can really wear on a guy! It did not help that the grass
> strip
> is 1600 feet. After 3 attempts---success! (Thank goodness for the
> Grove-the
> first one was a double bouncer, to much adrenaline I guess.)
>
> Some Numbers;
>
>
> 4-24-99 Kit ordered.
> 6-16-99 Kit arrives. (sorry guys--service was great then)
> 2-12-00 Joined this list. (Best resource BAR NONE for building a
> Kitfox).
> 3-20-03 Firewall forward arrives.(cannot remember when I ordered) Thanks
> for the help John Mcbean!
> 10-04-03 Picked up Lycoming engine in Arkansas (Thanks Jay C.)!
> 5-13-05 FAA Certification. (Solid 5 hours).
> 9-16-05 First Flight.
>
> 921 pounds empty
> 51 pounds on the tail
> Lycoming O-235L2C
> Series 5 Outback
> Senenich wood prop
>
> Never Give Up!!!
>
> Pictures in Sportflight under completion's.
>
> Let the fun begin!
>
> Brad Martin
> Wichita
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Thank Lowell. I will keep an eye out for level wings. Thought I was but you
never know. Just seemed like a relatively easy fix. As far as no problem. It
probably isn't a big deal as you said to have one run dry and switch. What
often happens though is that one thing is the third thing that causes the
mishap. Why not eliminate one more thing. I will look close at my wings
level the next few times out and see if I am favoring one side. Will also
check to see how level the hangar deck really is. Thanks for the thoughts.
Rick N656T ( now off to Hesperia airport for breakfast)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vent Line
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Rick,
Except for the appearance of the site gauges,....snip
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| Subject: | Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Congrats Brad !! - Let the fun begin...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Flybradair@cs.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Finally......
After 1420 hours of building spread out over 6 years, 232WB took to the air
for the first time Friday, 9/16/2005. Will not go into all the things that
get
in the way while building, certifying and testing, most of you know how hard
it can sometimes be.
With a new airplane and 0 timed overhauled engine my goal was to break in
the
engine (2.5 hours at 2400 to 2500 RPM) per lycoming specs on the first
flight--all the while testing a brand new airplane. I now hold all of you
on this
list that have accomplished the flying of an aircraft you built in high
regard.
What a feeling! Words cannot describe the joy I felt after landing. Then
again, words cannot describe the terror I felt on takeoff and flying over
the
airport for 2.5 hours!
Takeoff from the grass strip was uneventful. Liftoff at 55, climb at 80,
groundspeed during the testing was anywhere from 90 to 126 mph. Landing was
another thing. Stressed and thinking about the 1st landing for a couple of
hours
while in the air can really wear on a guy! It did not help that the grass
strip
is 1600 feet. After 3 attempts---success! (Thank goodness for the Grove-the
first one was a double bouncer, to much adrenaline I guess.)
Some Numbers;
4-24-99 Kit ordered.
6-16-99 Kit arrives. (sorry guys--service was great then)
2-12-00 Joined this list. (Best resource BAR NONE for building a Kitfox).
3-20-03 Firewall forward arrives.(cannot remember when I ordered) Thanks
for the help John Mcbean!
10-04-03 Picked up Lycoming engine in Arkansas (Thanks Jay C.)!
5-13-05 FAA Certification. (Solid 5 hours).
9-16-05 First Flight.
921 pounds empty
51 pounds on the tail
Lycoming O-235L2C
Series 5 Outback
Senenich wood prop
Never Give Up!!!
Pictures in Sportflight under completion's.
Let the fun begin!
Brad Martin
Wichita
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Jered,
See below
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
> Thought i cured it too but the turbulence knocked it down into a coiled
> up mess which is what I thought the obvious culprit would be.
Cut off all the vent line except the absoulute bare minimum (to allow wing
folding) and don't tie to the upper frame. Let the line fall "down" as soon
as it enters the cabin. Even a small amount of horizontal line can slow the
feed/venting process.
> The main feed lines are all down hill which is why I was concerned that
> it still should have kept the header full but it wasn't even keeping up
> with the demand of engine.
Do a gravity flow check at the fuel pump. Keep the catch container at the
same level as the fuel pump. You should get 150% of your max engine usage
(say, 7 GPH is max should give you 10.5 GPH)
> I"m going to snip a bit off the vent line and then secure it along top
> frame to see.
Snip off a lot (short as possible) and don't secure to top frame. Securing
to the top frame will make the line run too horizontal. Do the same for the
two feed lines.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells@adelphia.net" <georgewells@adelphia.net>
I did not receive any answers to my post ?? Do anyone have any info or suggestions?
Thanks
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
See http://www.beamdistributing.com/products.htm
Item is on the top right of this page.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Bill,
I bought my light from Beam Distributing, Inc. There address is PO Box 71884
Richmond, Va. 23255
Phone 804-440-6489
e-mail beam_dist@hotmail.com
Item Code QTY Description Price
Ea. Amount
1930C black 1 L1 LED flashlight
$14.80 $14.80
Shipping &
Handling $6.95 $6.95
TOTAL $21.75
Hope this helps. They had same day shipping. I have two and they are
great!
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeffrey Puls <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/16/2005 9:51:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> Bill,
> I'll look at my receipts and tell you where I bought it. Jeff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Chenoweth <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 9/16/2005 4:02:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> >
> > Jeff,
> > Nothing is simple. I found that the Pelican people won't sell to me so
> I'm
> > in contact with a local marine outfit which carries the lights.
> > On Pelican's web site I found an L1 LED light (no price on the web site)
> > that fit your description but had only a white lens.
> > I found another one that was part of a kit including mounting hardware
and
> > some kind of swivel thing and it had both red and green lenses. But it
> > turns out to be $32 more or less.
> > Not to be an ongoing pest but do you happen to have a part number or
> > something equivalent that I can use to get one of these things?
> >
> > Actually, the $32 kit didn't sound all that bad, but being nearly three
> > times what you paid I figure I should investigate further.
> > Bill
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
> <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > > It is the L-1 LED. It is 2 5/8' long, is 6,000 candle power and burns
> for
> > > 130 hours. The cost is only $11.52. 2 5/8" long is perfect for the
> KItfox
> > > cockpit. Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Chenoweth <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Date: 9/12/2005 6:23:36 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > > >
> > > > Jeff,
> > > > What is the model number or name of the flashlights you bought?
> > > > Bill
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
> > > <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > If you guys want some cool instrument lighting here is a
> suggestion. I
> > > > went
> > > > > to the Pelican website. They sell flashlights. There is a very
small
> > one
> > > > > that has a little clip on it. I bought two of these and put adel
> > clamps
> > > on
> > > > > them and put them on the overhead braces each side. I tilted them
> > > > downward.
> > > > > They come with red and green lens. Plenty of light and they look
> cool
> > on
> > > > > the instruments. They take about three nicad batteries (wafer
type)
> > and
> > > > > will go about 200 hours (So they say). They look professionally
> > mounted
> > > > and
> > > > > they look like they belong there. Cheap! Jeff Classic IV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > From: Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > Date: 9/9/2005 10:58:03 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > > <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wow - I took the 'Fox up tonight...It was NOTHING short of
> > incredible
> > > -
> > > > > > there aren't words. I haven't installed the instrument lighting,
> but
> > I
> > > > > went
> > > > > > up anyway with a flashlight, though I didn't end up using it. I
> > could
> > > > > just
> > > > > > make out the white hands on the instruments, and I knew where
they
> > > > should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > - and I was able to keep altitude/airspeed very nicely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I climbed up to two thousand feet and just cruised with the
doors
> > > open,
> > > > > > enjoying the warm night air (a temp. inversion had already
> begun). A
> > > > > local
> > > > > > airport - Sanford, ME, had one of the runways lit up like a
> > christmas
> > > > > tree,
> > > > > > complete with the "rabbit" for the ILS. Portsmouth, NH was
> gorgeous,
> > > and
> > > > > I
> > > > > > even saw some fireworks! If it weren't for my buddy waiting for
me
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > ground, I would never have come down :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I started my descent and just crossed the threshold on short
final
> > > when
> > > > > the
> > > > > > runway lights went out. I fiddled with the handheld to turn them
> > back
> > > on
> > > > > and
> > > > > > then went around for another shot. I watched the landing light
hit
> > the
> > > > > > pavement and made a greaser of a wheel-landing - absolutely
> perfect!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm still grinning ear-to-ear, two hours later! What a
privilege!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > >Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:31:49 -0400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > > > ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Of course, Canada always follows suit! LoL...j/k
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Andrew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:17:35 -0600
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> > > <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >... and Canada
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >SteveZ
> > > > > > > >Calgary, Canada
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > > > > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andrew
> > > > > > > >Matthaey
> > > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > > > > > > ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Oh god I love sailing...that's my next project, when I get
out
> of
> > > > > school
> > > > > > >-
> > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >little two-person, seaworthy sailboat. I would love to see
> > > > Norway...I'm
> > > > > > > >mostly Norwegian through my grandparents...When I worked for
> > Virgin
> > > > > > > >Atlantic
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Airways after High School, I was sent to London for
training. I
> > > > almost
> > > > > > >got
> > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >non-rev standby ticket to Oslo...had to go to Hong Kong
instead
> > > > though!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I hear that the United States is one of very few countries to
> > allow
> > > > > > >pilots
> > > > > > > >to fly at night, VFR, without an Instrument ticket...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Andrew
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Night VFR
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:41:46 +0200
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> > > > > <michel@online.no>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I love flying at night
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That's my only regret, Andrew: with my Norwegian Utralight
> > > license,
> > > > I
> > > > > > > >can't
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >fly
> > > > > > > > >at night. But I'd love to. I have sailed a lot at night
and I
> > > like
> > > > it
> > > > > > > >very
> > > > > > > > >much. In fact, I find it easier because I can easily find
my
> > > > position
> > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > >bearings on lighthouses. The Norwegian and Swedish
> archipelago
> > is
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > > >complex
> > > > > > > > >but well lit by sector lights. You just follow the white
> > sector.
> > > > > When
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > >gets
> > > > > > > > >red or green, you're too much on one or the other side.
It's
> > very
> > > > > > > >exciting
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >pass between islands you don't see, knowing that you're on
> the
> > > > right
> > > > > > > >track
> > > > > > > > >because, before you, many fishermen have used the same
> channel
> > > and
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > >safe. ... but, I am getting off-topic, here! :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Enjoy your night flying, friend!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >Michel
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >do not archive
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars facts about flaperons - More |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Here is some reading that may be interesting to those with large flaperon
limits. It seems in England, Kitfoxes got a bad reputation because of this.
(Control reversal?)
Check this article out that I found following Jim Carriere's advice.
http://www.rotecradialengines.com/customers/lesjames.htm
Randy
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Rick,
Purposely put one wing low for 20 minutes or so and see what happens. Then
put the other wing low.
I can shift fuel from one tank to the other and back this way. This is not
as quick responding system as the ball. But I think comparison of the fuel
levels in the tanks is a more accurate measure of if you are flying one wing
low.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vent Line
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Thank Lowell. I will keep an eye out for level wings. Thought I was but you
never know. Just seemed like a relatively easy fix. As far as no problem. It
probably isn't a big deal as you said to have one run dry and switch. What
often happens though is that one thing is the third thing that causes the
mishap. Why not eliminate one more thing. I will look close at my wings
level the next few times out and see if I am favoring one side. Will also
check to see how level the hangar deck really is. Thanks for the thoughts.
Rick N656T ( now off to Hesperia airport for breakfast)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vent Line
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Rick,
Except for the appearance of the site gauges,....snip
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> as is the fact that most of us fly slightly one wing high.
That is also my humble opinion. In fact, I have never been on a ground level
enough, or been flying level enough to see the same fuel level on both tanks.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Congratulations, I'm so close my self so you have the effect of exciting my
more in anticipation of the feeling you describe.
How about so shots then. John A.
Don't archive
From: Flybradair@cs.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping The Surly Bonds---First Flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Finally......
After 1420 hours of building spread out over 6 years, 232WB took to the air
for the first time Friday, 9/16/2005. Will not go into all the things that
get
in the way while building, certifying and testing, most of you know how hard
it can sometimes be.
With a new airplane and 0 timed overhauled engine my goal was to break in
the
engine (2.5 hours at 2400 to 2500 RPM) per lycoming specs on the first
flight--all the while testing a brand new airplane. I now hold all of you
on this
list that have accomplished the flying of an aircraft you built in high
regard.
What a feeling! Words cannot describe the joy I felt after landing. Then
again, words cannot describe the terror I felt on takeoff and flying over
the
airport for 2.5 hours!
Takeoff from the grass strip was uneventful. Liftoff at 55, climb at 80,
groundspeed during the testing was anywhere from 90 to 126 mph. Landing was
another thing. Stressed and thinking about the 1st landing for a couple of
hours
while in the air can really wear on a guy! It did not help that the grass
strip
is 1600 feet. After 3 attempts---success! (Thank goodness for the Grove-the
first one was a double bouncer, to much adrenaline I guess.)
Some Numbers;
4-24-99 Kit ordered.
6-16-99 Kit arrives. (sorry guys--service was great then)
2-12-00 Joined this list. (Best resource BAR NONE for building a Kitfox).
3-20-03 Firewall forward arrives.(cannot remember when I ordered) Thanks
for the help John Mcbean!
10-04-03 Picked up Lycoming engine in Arkansas (Thanks Jay C.)!
5-13-05 FAA Certification. (Solid 5 hours).
9-16-05 First Flight.
921 pounds empty
51 pounds on the tail
Lycoming O-235L2C
Series 5 Outback
Senenich wood prop
Never Give Up!!!
Pictures in Sportflight under completion's.
Let the fun begin!
Brad Martin
Wichita
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I have a 1993 model 4 Speedster with the grove gear.
Has anyone with a similiar airplane had any experience with a cargo pod.
How is it attached? How much does it Hold? How does it affect the performance?
The picture on the Skystar webpage looks like it is quite close to the ground.
I tried to contact Skystar but no reply.
Floran H.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Lowell, yours is one of 7 detailed responses I have received. I couldn't
> work out however why 5 of them were off list because Im sure many others
> are interested in comments about both NSI and issues experienced by NSI
> powered 1V's also. I believe constructive criticism is not only important
> for us as pilots it is also an opportunity for those in question to listen
> to the market place. Skystar is an example where listers are asking for
> better communication, they need to be receptive to concerns raised by
> their customers. The direct value to me personally is that I have been
> able to tap into the knowledge and experience of others that under normal
> circumstances would not be available thus making my decision to buy or not
> buy far easier. Yes, you can do web searches and read articles in
> magazines but nothing beats listening to credible people discuss a
> subject, whether it be positive or negative, it is an opportunity to
> learn. Thanks Lowell for your comments.
>
> regards
>
> Graeme Toft
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
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| Subject: | Doors off & GPS mount |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: HOLZY@aol.com
Hello all,
I am new to the list & I have a few topics that I'm sure many of you have
insight on. I just finished my tailwheel signoff & required solo time & I was
thinking about doing some flying with the doors off. Are there any tendencies
I
should be aware of or any good reasons why it would not be wise to remove the
doors. Also, I am looking for a good way to mount my Garmin 196 GPS to the
panel. Does anyone know if they have a kit for that. If not, I was thinking
of mounting some kind of short post to the top center of the panel & using the
yoke clamp to attach it there. Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
Fifteen hours & loving every minute of it!
Mike Holzberger
Classic IV Speedster 912
Milwaukee, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Doors off & GPS mount |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Hi Mike,
Congrats on your endorsement.
Take a look at the RAM mounts, they can attach to your panel or any
convenient exposed tube:
http://www.ram-mount.com/products/aviationmounts.htm
It's fine (and fun) to fly with doors off, or open if you have the gas
struts or a way to secure them open.
Be sure you don't have any loose charts, etc that might fly out, and limit
your slips as you can blow your hat/headset off.
Enjoy ,
John Stoner
K III, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Doors off & GPS mount |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
I have a 196 also if you have room on your panel, I took the yoke mount that
comes with the 196, and removed the mount for the 196, 4 screws and mounted
it to the panel woks great. plus you can remove it for security.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: <HOLZY@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors off & GPS mount
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: HOLZY@aol.com
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am new to the list & I have a few topics that I'm sure many of you have
> insight on. I just finished my tailwheel signoff & required solo time & I
> was
> thinking about doing some flying with the doors off. Are there any
> tendencies I
> should be aware of or any good reasons why it would not be wise to remove
> the
> doors. Also, I am looking for a good way to mount my Garmin 196 GPS to
> the
> panel. Does anyone know if they have a kit for that. If not, I was
> thinking
> of mounting some kind of short post to the top center of the panel & using
> the
> yoke clamp to attach it there. Any thoughts or ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Fifteen hours & loving every minute of it!
>
> Mike Holzberger
> Classic IV Speedster 912
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Floran,
Visit the Desert Fox web site www.desertfoxsquadron.org members page.. Send
an email to Michael (ET) Holm.. He installed the cargo pod a couple of years
ago after flying for several hours without it.. He would be a good
contact...
Also, Stan Specht would be another good source.. He did monitor the list at
one time but not sure if he still does.. You may find his email on the DFS
web as well.
Both are flying Speedsters as well.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran Higgins
Subject: Kitfox-List: cargo pod.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I have a 1993 model 4 Speedster with the grove gear.
Has anyone with a similiar airplane had any experience with a cargo pod.
How is it attached? How much does it Hold? How does it affect the
performance?
The picture on the Skystar webpage looks like it is quite close to the
ground.
I tried to contact Skystar but no reply.
Floran H.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net
Floran,
I have flown my Model III (912UL) with the cargo pod. Tell you the honest truth,
I didn't notice a huge difference. It does drop your cruise by a few knots
but not a big deal. If you have a model III or earlier, you don't have any other
option for storage so the cargo pod is the way to go. Many of the guys that
go on the Alaska journeys fly with the pods.
Darin Hawkes
Model III-912UL
"jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>Floran,
> Visit the Desert Fox web site www.desertfoxsquadron.org members page.. Send
>an email to Michael (ET) Holm.. He installed the cargo pod a couple of years
>ago after flying for several hours without it.. He would be a good
>contact...
>
>Also, Stan Specht would be another good source.. He did monitor the list at
>one time but not sure if he still does.. You may find his email on the DFS
>web as well.
>
>Both are flying Speedsters as well.
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran Higgins
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: cargo pod.
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
>
>I have a 1993 model 4 Speedster with the grove gear.
>Has anyone with a similiar airplane had any experience with a cargo pod.
>How is it attached? How much does it Hold? How does it affect the
>performance?
>The picture on the Skystar webpage looks like it is quite close to the
>ground.
>I tried to contact Skystar but no reply.
>Floran H.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
Floran-
I thought I'd better respond to your baggage pod questions, especially since
John McBean brought up my name. I also have a Model IV Speedster, purchased
in 1993 and first flown in 2001. I've flown both with the pod and without. I
usually only use it when I go on an extended trip (twice to Alaska and
landings in 49 states, now with 1000 hours since new). I usually fly at gross
when
the pod is on and I actually think I can fly faster in that situation -
something to do with the shift aft in the CG when fully loaded. It mounts to the
three weldments underneath the rear carry-through tube, and two brackets that
you must install in front of the front lower carry-though tube. I first had tube
gear when I mounted the brackets, but now have the spring gear and it works
just fine without any mods.I can place my sleeping bag, pad, pillow, tent and
some little items like extra fuel cannisters, in the pod. Total weight loaded,
including the pod is 26 pounds. I have it placarded for 50 pounds.
Sometimes I have found scratch marks on the bottom of the pod after a trip into
backcountry strips, but no real problem (I also always fly with wheel pants and
they
survive just fine, too). The only mod I made to the pod was add another latch
to the right front side to keep it closed better, especially in rain. I
wouldn't be without the pod in a Model IV.
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
Denver, Colorado
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