---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/22/05: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Series 5 (jdmcbean) 2. 12:14 AM - Re: Ivo Prop Medium on Kitfox series 4 and 7 (jdmcbean) 3. 12:15 AM - Re: Gyros (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer) 4. 12:23 AM - Re: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium (jdmcbean) 5. 04:27 AM - Series 4 Leading Edge Slats (Fox5flyer) 6. 04:36 AM - electric Gyros (Fox5flyer) 7. 05:38 AM - Re: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats (W Duke) 8. 07:21 AM - Re: Wiring under center console (Lowell Fitt) 9. 08:15 AM - Re: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium (kitfoxjunky) 10. 08:47 AM - Re: Gyros (Jay Carter) 11. 08:47 AM - Re: Wiring under center console (Jay Carter) 12. 10:02 AM - Re: Ducati E-Box problem (Bob Robertson) 13. 11:01 AM - Re: Ducati E-Box problem (Jim Burke) 14. 11:16 AM - Re: Electric GyrosGyros (Michael Gibbs) 15. 12:41 PM - Re: Gyros (Michel Verheughe) 16. 01:09 PM - Re: Electric GyrosGyros (jdmcbean) 17. 01:15 PM - Re: Electric GyrosGyros (Fox5flyer) 18. 01:16 PM - Re: Gyros (Fox5flyer) 19. 02:56 PM - Re: Gyros (Michel Verheughe) 20. 03:10 PM - Re: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats (Brian J. Pankonin) 21. 03:13 PM - Re: Gyros (Jay Carter) 22. 03:16 PM - Re: Gyros (Jay Carter) 23. 07:48 PM - Re: electric Gyros (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:42 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 5 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Harry, I have been talking with Murle and I guess you bought his aircraft and you're looking for another to ship with. I have a line on a nice low time Series 5, 912S powered if you're interested. $48K plus any incidentals. There are a couple of things that I wanted to discuss with you. I wouldn't mind working with you on things from this end unless you prefer to work them yourself. It could be nice to have a good business relationship for both of us.. Especially dealing with someone you can trust. Also, I have considered Noel's offer and have decided to pass. Currently everything that is offered I can either produce or already have. He may have some things that are not advertised that I do not know about.. but I did know Accipiter and their products before he purchased them. I will continue to develop new parts and offer those that are already out there. I have a lot of items that are not even on our web yet.. From center consoles for the Model IV to Gas cap fairings to underseat tool boxes, to ANR Headsets. Hope things are going well for you. Let me know about the 5 Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:43 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ivo Prop Medium on Kitfox series 4 and 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" I would check the wire routing for starters.. If one is not careful then a wire can get pinched or be getting caught in the CAM area. It may be coincidence that the motor starts working after you re-grease the gears... I have found that the motor contacts can get carboned up and the motor will stop working.. Although IVO will service the motor as part of the warranty, being in South Africa makes that a long turn time and costly for shipping... in your case try cleaning the contacts. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry Tucker Subject: Kitfox-List: Ivo Prop Medium on Kitfox series 4 and 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" We fly 300 - 500 hours per year and are getting a lot of problems with the in flight adjustable Ivo prop Ie: Wires to electric motor breaking off Electric adjust stops working until one strips planetary gear drives down and re greases We cut the length of wire supplied with the in flight adjustable props - could this be the problem as suggested by Ivo? Any ideas Harry Tucker Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339 Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824 Email: harry@htucker.com Skype: harrytucker ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:31 AM PST US From: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" I recently installed a Dynon D10 in my Kitfox--gives an attitude indicator and dg among other things. Removed a venturi vacuum system and poorly functioning gyros. Very happy with it. Search their web site for more info. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Gyros > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > I'm seriously considering adding an electric attitude and directional gyro > to my S5. Options are the RC Allen at nearly $2k and the Falcon or > non-TSOd versions at half the price. Does anybody have any personal > experience with the Falcon or non-TSOd versions that I should know about > before making a buying decision? I'd appreciate any input. > Thanks, > Deke > S5 > NE Michigan > 65f, clear and calm > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:15 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Your vibration issue is most likely caused by unbalanced carbs... As far as shut down with the IVO.. It has been discovered that by increasing the throttle to approx 2400 RPM and then simultaneously shutting the engine off while pulling the throttle to idle stop makes for a smoother shut down. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry Tucker Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" On a classic 4 Kitfox we had a major vibration problem, mainly on shut down. We fitted a slipper clutch which helped a bit. On the annual service we found that 2 engine mounting bolts had sheared off and all the engine mounting rubber bolts were well under the recommended torque. We have put in new bolts and torqued all engine rubber bolts and the vibration is now far better BUT when one powers back then one still gets a vibration to a level where one get petrol coming out of the carb overflow. Any ideas? Harry Tucker Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339 Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824 Email: harry@htucker.com Skype: harrytucker ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:14 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Nothing scientific here, but I've always noted that when my S5 is loaded up to the hilt with people, gas, and baggage, it still cruises just as fast or faster on the same settings with fuel flow the same or better. Mine is a tad nose heavy anyway so I always place any baggage as far aft as possible. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 01:16 PM 9/21/2005, you wrote: > >... > >for my friend / customer and so far all of the numbers have been IAS. > > Then the speed difference could easily be pitot flow modification. Too bad > he didn't have accurate GPS data. I'm sure it's still possible that he's > flying faster because of the CL shift. (I noticed a Skystar Service Letter > which shifted the allowable CG on the IV aft sometime back. That might pick > up a few knots.) > > Anyone fiddled with CG versus speed or decalage versus speed? > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:24 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: electric Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Chuck, have you tried any "hood" time with it yet? Does it react the same as a mechanical DG? Does it have some sort of remote spinning gyro? Do you feel you could use it with the same skill to get out of trouble that a mech. AH would allow? I'm having a difficult time with how these things work. I like the idea of solid state units because of no moving parts, but I'm not sure if that's true. Anybody know of any impartial reviews on these things? Thanks, Deke --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" > > I recently installed a Dynon D10 in my Kitfox--gives an attitude indicator > and dg among other things. Removed a venturi vacuum system and poorly > functioning gyros. Very happy with it. Search their web site for more > info. > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fox5flyer" > To: "Kitfox List" > Subject: Kitfox-List: Gyros > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > I'm seriously considering adding an electric attitude and directional gyro > > to my S5. Options are the RC Allen at nearly $2k and the Falcon or > > non-TSOd versions at half the price. Does anybody have any personal > > experience with the Falcon or non-TSOd versions that I should know about > > before making a buying decision? I'd appreciate any input. > > Thanks, > > Deke > > S5 > > NE Michigan > > 65f, clear and calm > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:59 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke FWIW My S6 IO240 is 2-3 kts slower heavy. Stall increases by about 5 kts heavy. Maxwell Fox5flyer wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Nothing scientific here, but I've always noted that when my S5 is loaded up to the hilt with people, gas, and baggage, it still cruises just as fast or faster on the same settings with fuel flow the same or better. Mine is a tad nose heavy anyway so I always place any baggage as far aft as possible. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 01:16 PM 9/21/2005, you wrote: > >... > >for my friend / customer and so far all of the numbers have been IAS. > > Then the speed difference could easily be pitot flow modification. Too bad > he didn't have accurate GPS data. I'm sure it's still possible that he's > flying faster because of the CL shift. (I noticed a Skystar Service Letter > which shifted the allowable CG on the IV aft sometime back. That might pick > up a few knots.) > > Anyone fiddled with CG versus speed or decalage versus speed? > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > Maxwell Duke S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:02 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wiring under center console --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Joel, I don't have many suggestions except that the radio and transponder cables should be remote from all other wiring to prevent electrical noise. I have read that if radio wiring needs to cross other wiring, it should be as close to 90 degrees as possibile. Avoid parallel runs and never bundle them together. I ran both transponder and radio antenna coax under the doors on opposite sides of the airframe. I get no noise on the radio and the transponder works fine. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wiring under center console > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" > > > With the fabric painted and the engine hung I've started wiring my model > 5. Much of my center console space has been dedicated for my amphib > retract system and I'm wondering what might be the best way to route the > coax for com and xpdr, power for strobes, Dynon remote mag head along with > fuel and brake lines through there without interfering with the adjustable > rudder cables. Have any of you used plastic conduit to keep things > together? Any problems routing the strobe power near the signal lines or > coax? As always I appreciate your combined knowledge and experience. > > Joel > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:03 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium Serialize complete at 09/22/2005 11:14:24 AM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Hi Harry I run the IVO Medium on a Rotax 912S. In my opinion, it is very smooth now that I have made the recommended adjustments. I recently attended a seminar about vibration issues. Here is a link to a copy of the Powerpoint presentation. Of all the potential sources, I would look at your carb syncing. That made the biggest difference for me, and was simple and quick to do. http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_vibration.htm Also make sure you have the updated spacers that go in the rubber mounts if you are running the 912S. There is a Skystar service bulletin on those, and mods to the mount and muffler to strengthen it to handle the increased shaking due to high compression on the S. When shutting down, I keep the RPMs in the 2200 range, rather than let it idle before switching off the mags. Seems to help a lot. I put in the slipper clutch, and frankly, did not see that big of a difference. The carb sync was the ace for me. Gary Walsh KF IV Anphib 912S C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" On a classic 4 Kitfox we had a major vibration problem, mainly on shut down. We fitted a slipper clutch which helped a bit. On the annual service we found ........ Harry Tucker ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:39 AM PST US From: "Jay Carter" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Carter" Sportys has a new electric AI that also has a ball. $1595. There are solid state gyros. Work great, but dont ask me how. GPS track indication is far better than a DG. Jay C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:39 AM PST US From: "Jay Carter" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wiring under center console --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Carter" Joel, I cabled everything up the door post back and down. Would have preferred to use the console but too much stuff there already. Jay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wiring under center console > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" > > With the fabric painted and the engine hung I've started wiring my model 5. Much of my center console space has been dedicated for my amphib retract system and I'm wondering what might be the best way to route the coax for com and xpdr, power for strobes, Dynon remote mag head along with fuel and brake lines through there without interfering with the adjustable rudder cables. Have any of you used plastic conduit to keep things together? Any problems routing the strobe power near the signal lines or coax? As always I appreciate your combined knowledge and experience. > > Joel > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:55 AM PST US From: "Bob Robertson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" Hi Jim! The fax number 812-878-4187 that you sent me is not a working number. Please check. Thanks Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burke" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke > > Bob, I should have said I disconnected the plug going to the e-box, and not > the plug wires. But I do appreciate the heads up. Darn the luck and the > electronic age, I for one have trashed my faxes at the house and at the > office for the sake of e-mail. I do have a friend that has a fax and I'm she > will accept the fax for me. As soon as I get Her fax number I'l let you > know. At this point I can use all the help I can get. > > Thanks > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Robertson" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" > > > > > > Jim, > > For yours and everyone elses information on the list.... A sure way to > > weaken or even blow an e-box is to run the engine with the spark plug cap > > disconnected from the spark plugs. Hopefully you have not done any > > damage. > > I cannot e-mail you a test page, but if you e-mail me a fax munber I will > > gladly send you a page outlining the various tests you need to do to > > determine serviceablility of the ignition system parts. You will need a > > multi-meter (ohm meter) to do these tests, > > > > regards > > > > Bob Robertson > > Light Engine Services Ltd. > > Rotax Service Center > > St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 > > Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 > > Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) > > www.rtx-av-engines.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Burke" > > To: > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem > > > > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke > >> > >> Just Like most of the Kitfox flyers on the list, I set back and take > > advantage of all the great ideas and information posted and feel guilty I > > don't have much to offer when it comes to contributing trouble shooting. I > > can't say enough good things about the input from experienced owners to > > help > > there fellow flyers. > >> With that said I once again need to ask for a little help myself with > > a problem I am having. It would seem I have a Ducati E-Box that has went > > or > > is going bad and I'm not sure I know the proper way to trouble shoot my > > problem. At 300.00 a pop I would like to know my investment would fix my > > problem. If I could get a list from one of you more educated in trouble > > shooting the Ducati E-Box I would be most grateful. I have done a little > > trouble shooting and the results are listed below. > >> > >> Mag Check: > >> #1 1000 rpm drop > >> #2 50 rpm drop > >> # 1 unplugged # 2 plugged= static 5500 rpm > >> # 2 unplugged # 1 plugged= static 6200 rpm > >> Both # 1 and # 2 plugged= static 5000 rpm > >> > >> Normal static rpms is 6300 when all systems are go. > >> I hope this much information will help. > >> > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Jim 94JE IV-1200 582 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:15 AM PST US From: Jim Burke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke So Sorry, I think it should be 317-878-4187 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" > > > Hi Jim! > > The fax number 812-878-4187 that you sent me is not a working number. > Please check. Thanks > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Burke" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke >> >> Bob, I should have said I disconnected the plug going to the e-box, and > not >> the plug wires. But I do appreciate the heads up. Darn the luck and the >> electronic age, I for one have trashed my faxes at the house and at the >> office for the sake of e-mail. I do have a friend that has a fax and I'm > she >> will accept the fax for me. As soon as I get Her fax number I'l let you >> know. At this point I can use all the help I can get. >> >> Thanks >> Jim >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Robertson" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem >> >> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" >> > >> > >> > Jim, >> > For yours and everyone elses information on the list.... A sure way to >> > weaken or even blow an e-box is to run the engine with the spark plug > cap >> > disconnected from the spark plugs. Hopefully you have not done any >> > damage. >> > I cannot e-mail you a test page, but if you e-mail me a fax munber I > will >> > gladly send you a page outlining the various tests you need to do to >> > determine serviceablility of the ignition system parts. You will need >> > a >> > multi-meter (ohm meter) to do these tests, >> > >> > regards >> > >> > Bob Robertson >> > Light Engine Services Ltd. >> > Rotax Service Center >> > St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 >> > Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 >> > Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) >> > www.rtx-av-engines.ca >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jim Burke" >> > To: >> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box problem >> > >> > >> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke >> >> >> >> >> >> Just Like most of the Kitfox flyers on the list, I set back and take >> > advantage of all the great ideas and information posted and feel guilty > I >> > don't have much to offer when it comes to contributing trouble >> > shooting. > I >> > can't say enough good things about the input from experienced owners to >> > help >> > there fellow flyers. >> >> With that said I once again need to ask for a little help myself > with >> > a problem I am having. It would seem I have a Ducati E-Box that has >> > went >> > or >> > is going bad and I'm not sure I know the proper way to trouble shoot my >> > problem. At 300.00 a pop I would like to know my investment would fix >> > my >> > problem. If I could get a list from one of you more educated in trouble >> > shooting the Ducati E-Box I would be most grateful. I have done a >> > little >> > trouble shooting and the results are listed below. >> >> >> >> Mag Check: >> >> #1 1000 rpm drop >> >> #2 50 rpm drop >> >> # 1 unplugged # 2 plugged= static 5500 rpm >> >> # 2 unplugged # 1 plugged= static 6200 rpm >> >> Both # 1 and # 2 plugged= static 5000 rpm >> >> >> >> Normal static rpms is 6300 when all systems are go. >> >> I hope this much information will help. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jim 94JE IV-1200 582 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:56 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electric GyrosGyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs The Dynon PFD will fit in your 3-1/8 inch holes. The display is completely configurable, so if you don't like the speed and altitude tapes you can get rid of them to show just the digital versions (or vice versa). You can add or remove just about any of the displayed information at any time. Stripped down, it has a beautiful, full-screen attitude display. Be careful with the TruTrak units--their pitch information comes from GPS vertical speed and is not a true attitude indication. The same may be true of their direction data. Mike G. N728KF ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:10 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Jay Carter wrote: > There are solid state gyros. Sorry to ask again but what is a solid state gyro? Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:01 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Electric GyrosGyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Actually the pitch info comes from solid state gyro... GPS is an option... The direction data requires a GPS input either from the aircraft GPS or from the GPS option. I have a couple of customers that are using the unit and are very pleased. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electric GyrosGyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs The Dynon PFD will fit in your 3-1/8 inch holes. The display is completely configurable, so if you don't like the speed and altitude tapes you can get rid of them to show just the digital versions (or vice versa). You can add or remove just about any of the displayed information at any time. Stripped down, it has a beautiful, full-screen attitude display. Be careful with the TruTrak units--their pitch information comes from GPS vertical speed and is not a true attitude indication. The same may be true of their direction data. Mike G. N728KF ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:35 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electric GyrosGyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Thanks Michael. This is the type of information I'm looking for. Do you know how the Dynon gets it's pitch and roll information? Have you had a chance to fly behind one of these yet? Deke > The Dynon PFD will fit in your 3-1/8 inch holes. The display is > completely configurable, so if you don't like the speed and altitude > tapes you can get rid of them to show just the digital versions (or > vice versa). You can add or remove just about any of the displayed > information at any time. > > Stripped down, it has a beautiful, full-screen attitude display. > > Be careful with the TruTrak units--their pitch information comes from > GPS vertical speed and is not a true attitude indication. The same > may be true of their direction data. > > Mike G. > N728KF > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:43 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Michel, I think it simply means that it's purely electronic without the conventional moving parts. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > Jay Carter wrote: > > There are solid state gyros. > > Sorry to ask again but what is a solid state gyro? > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:44 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Fox5flyer wrote: > Michel, I think it simply means that it's purely electronic without the > conventional moving parts. Thank you Deke. Yes, that's what is usually understood by "solid state." But I wonder how it works. The only non-moving-parts gyro I know of is the ring laser gyro but I believe it is very, very expensive. I have heard that prices have gone down in the past years but still ... is there another technique? How does it work? Is it also tilted 30 degrees up to sense not only turn rate but also bank rate? Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:19 PM PST US From: "Brian J. Pankonin" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian J. Pankonin" Just to let you guys know, I haven't been in the shop all day and am a little confused to where the last messages are leading. I am installing some VG's on the Fox right now to see if we can get a little smother transition into slotted flight. Wont be until a couple of weeks before I can get some serious numbers down due to workload. I work at my dad's shop and I have the FAA written exam for my A&P next week. After that I will get with the owner and try to due some more scientific airspeed calculations. I will keep you all informed. Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "W Duke" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke > > FWIW My S6 IO240 is 2-3 kts slower heavy. Stall increases by about 5 kts > heavy. > Maxwell > > Fox5flyer wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > Nothing scientific here, but I've always noted that when my S5 is loaded > up > to the hilt with people, gas, and baggage, it still cruises just as fast > or > faster on the same settings with fuel flow the same or better. Mine is a > tad nose heavy anyway so I always place any baggage as far aft as > possible. > Deke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Buchanan" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan >> >> At 01:16 PM 9/21/2005, you wrote: >> >... >> >for my friend / customer and so far all of the numbers have been IAS. >> >> Then the speed difference could easily be pitot flow modification. Too >> bad >> he didn't have accurate GPS data. I'm sure it's still possible that he's >> flying faster because of the CL shift. (I noticed a Skystar Service >> Letter >> which shifted the allowable CG on the IV aft sometime back. That might > pick >> up a few knots.) >> >> Anyone fiddled with CG versus speed or decalage versus speed? >> >> >> Guy Buchanan >> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. >> >> Do not archive >> >> > > > Maxwell Duke > S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:24 PM PST US From: "Jay Carter" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Carter" Michel, The gyro is a 1 inch square x 1/4 inch thick (appx) solid state device. Does the same thing as the spinning gyro that has been used for years. This is what all the glass panel instruments use. I think in the future you will not see air or electrical driven gyros. Jay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > Jay Carter wrote: > > There are solid state gyros. > > Sorry to ask again but what is a solid state gyro? > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:14 PM PST US From: "Jay Carter" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Carter" Michel, I know in the TruTrak autopilot the gyro is installed at an angle between horz and vert. Jay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gyros > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > Fox5flyer wrote: > > Michel, I think it simply means that it's purely electronic without the > > conventional moving parts. > > Thank you Deke. Yes, that's what is usually understood by "solid state." But I > wonder how it works. The only non-moving-parts gyro I know of is the ring laser > gyro but I believe it is very, very expensive. I have heard that prices have > gone down in the past years but still ... is there another technique? How does > it work? Is it also tilted 30 degrees up to sense not only turn rate but also > bank rate? > > Cheers, > Michel > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:59 PM PST US From: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: electric Gyros --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" No hood time with the Dynon yet but I hear from longer term users that they feel the solid state units are more reliable and "drift free" than vacuum units. One RV driver said he uses his in the clouds like he used to use vacuum. Spending time on some of the manufacturers web sites, (Dynon, Blue mountain, Grand Rapids), should give you a better feel for their reliability. These seem to be the wave of the future. I am building an RV and plan no vacuum system. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: electric Gyros > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > Chuck, have you tried any "hood" time with it yet? Does it react the same > as a mechanical DG? Does it have some sort of remote spinning gyro? Do > you > feel you could use it with the same skill to get out of trouble that a > mech. > AH would allow? > I'm having a difficult time with how these things work. I like the idea > of > solid state units because of no moving parts, but I'm not sure if that's > true. > Anybody know of any impartial reviews on these things? > Thanks, > Deke > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" > >> >> I recently installed a Dynon D10 in my Kitfox--gives an attitude >> indicator >> and dg among other things. Removed a venturi vacuum system and poorly >> functioning gyros. Very happy with it. Search their web site for more >> info. >> Chuck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fox5flyer" >> To: "Kitfox List" >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Gyros >> >> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > >> > >> > I'm seriously considering adding an electric attitude and directional > gyro >> > to my S5. Options are the RC Allen at nearly $2k and the Falcon or >> > non-TSOd versions at half the price. Does anybody have any personal >> > experience with the Falcon or non-TSOd versions that I should know >> > about >> > before making a buying decision? I'd appreciate any input. >> > Thanks, >> > Deke >> > S5 >> > NE Michigan >> > 65f, clear and calm >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >