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1. 07:02 AM - Re: Gyros (Rick)
2. 07:08 AM - Re: Kitfox IV Wing Construction (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
3. 08:46 AM - Re: Kitfox Slats (Brian J. Pankonin)
4. 08:59 AM - Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed (Gill Levesque)
5. 09:08 AM - Re: Cooling Question (Gill Levesque)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed (Gill Levesque)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed (Guy Buchanan)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed (Michel Verheughe)
9. 01:35 PM - Re: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats (Brian J. Pankonin)
10. 03:17 PM - Re: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium (Clint Bazzill)
11. 03:53 PM - Re: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium (Don Smythe)
12. 05:23 PM - Re: Need a source for a kitfox 1 wheel (Harold Nelson)
13. 07:31 PM - Re: Gyros (John Anderson)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
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| Subject: | Kitfox IV Wing Construction |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
cotton flox can be used in structural applications while microballoons is a light
weight filler and greatly reduces the structural streghth of the epoxy
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>
>
> Howard,
> To answer your second question, cotton flox is a material that is
> added to the two part structural adhesive that is used through out the
> construction of the wing. Its function is to give the adhesive more body and
> to create fillets. Another material micro balloons, is also added to the
> adhesive to bond dissimilar metals so they don't corrode.
> Roger Mac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV73HL@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Wing Construction
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
>
> I was told by a friend who has an Avid Flyer that when he built his wings,
> they had a "Alum Cleaner" to wipe the spar tubes with, before attaching the
> ribs with the Adhesive. Does Kitfox have such a cleaner, and if so , what
> is it
> called?
>
> One more question...what is Cotton Flox , and where is it used?
>
> I know these are dumb questions, but one doesn't know, the best way to
> learn
> is ask a group that does.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Howard
>
>
>
>
>
>
cotton flox can be used in structural applications while microballoons is a light
weight filler and greatly reduces the structural streghth of the epoxy
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
<RDMAC@SWBELL.NET>
Howard,
To answer your second question, cotton flox is a material that is
added to the two part structural adhesive that is used through out the
construction of the wing. Its function is to give the adhesive more body and
to create fillets. Another material micro balloons, is also added to the
adhesive to bond dissimilar metals so they don't corrode.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV73HL@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Wing Construction
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
I was told by a friend who has an Avid Flyer that when he built his wings,
they had a "Alum Cleaner" to wipe the spar tubes with, before attaching the
ribs with the Adhesive. Does Kitfox have such a cleaner, and if so , what
is it
called?
One more question...what is Cotton Flox , and where is it used?
I know these are dumb questions, but one doesn't know, the best way to
learn
is ask a group that does.
Thanks.
Howard
tfox-List
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Slats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian J. Pankonin" <brian@stevesaircraft.com>
Colin,
I have watched the video of the Slepcev and agree with you as to its
performance.
I have also had hands on experience with an original Feisler here and got a
ride
in the back seat of it. What an amazing aircraft. The Feisler is what got
me started
on Slat design and theory. It wasn't until my friend Rick with his Kitfox
that I was
able to put my ideas on a flying aircraft.
As for the Kitfox slats. They are a fixed slat, like the Storch, and make
the aircraft
a more stable and enjoyable aircraft to fly. The brackets are attached to
every other
rib (I used the same rib as the flaperon brackets) and utilize and inside
and outside angle.
I would be a cleaner installation before fabric because you could glue the
internal brackets
to the underside of the rib's before cover. On our prototype, I cut 8
inspection holes in
the wings(one on each side of the rib on 4 ribs) to install these internal
brackets. I am
thinking about putting together a kit. I have uploaded a few pics to the
forum but have
noticed that they have not been posted yet. I can send them to anyone that
is interested
as an individual e-mail if you want them.
I installed some Land Shorter VG's just aft of the slat on the Fox last
Thursday. I talked
to Rick today after he has flown it all weekend. He now reports a stall
speed of 20 MPH
indicated straight and level with no power at 20 deg of flaps. The next
thing to do is to
install some gap seals on the elevator. He has brought the power up to 4500
and seen a
IAS of 14 MPH before powering out of it. He is also taking off in about 75
feet.
Now this is on an aircraft with extended wings with endplate tips and he has
30" tundra tires.
I am sure the slats wont be as dramatic on stock wings with stock wingtips
and small tires.
If anyone reading this thread would like to talk to me in person. Do not
hesitate to call me.
541-826-9729 shop
541-944-9352 cell
Thanks.
Brian.
-- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Slats
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
>
> Brian,
>
> I am very interested in the slats you have developed. I am in Australia,
> and am familiar with the 3/4 scale version of the Feissler Storch that is
> being sold as a kit by Nestor Slepchev out here. It is an amazing aircraft
> to watch,virtually leaping off the ground into a very slight headwind.
> With about 5-8kts breeze, Nestor can get his Storch into the air in about
> 30 mtrs, and then into a power climb (about 60 degrees - not sure of the
> vertical rate)within about another 10 - 15 mtrs.
>
> I am close to being ready to put the fabric on my Classic IV wings
> (standard), so its an opportune time to consider what you have developed.
>
> Regards
>
> Colin Durey
> (Sydney)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Yes, Norm thats the one!!! and yes I want it!!
What do you want for it!
I am in southern ontario, Canada so will have to include postage to mail it!!
Let me know!!
Your a lifesaver!!!
Thanx Gil
Norman P Vrooman <normv1@juno.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norman P Vrooman
Gil,
If it is the rectangular one fitting in the Denny (Skystar) mounting
bracket, I have one in good shape.
Let me know if you want it.
Norm
normv1@juno.com
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| Subject: | Cooling Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Mark,
Be absolutely sure you have not got air in your water pump or that your water
pump is indeed working!!! I have the same setup as do hundreds of others without
problems!! As a matter of fact ,except for summers hot- hot days I sometimes
have to cover half to bring the temp up!!!
Gil Levesque C-IGVL
Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
Not a 582 but take a look at the Engelfeller subaru set up. Sounds like what
your talking about.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Napier, Mark
'owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com '
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cooling Question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark"
My Kitfox III 582 has cooling problems. I've worked through the
instruments, engine timing, jetting, etc. and have come to the conclusion
that the little belly radiator is too small. I've dropped it down 2" into
the airstream and tried a big belly scoop, still no better. I've flown it
and it cools exactly the same in the air as on the ground.
I've been looking longingly at that big beautiful NACA cowl on the front.
That thing is designed to pass in air at the root of the prop, compress it
through the engine cylinders, and expell it out exit ramps at the sides.
Also, the part of the belly radiator that does any good is only 4" X 18".
So how about mounting one or two radiators off of the type C gear box?
Plenty of room there to easily double the radiator area. Then baffle the
radiator front cowl. Would have to do a small box for the air cleaner and
hoses to cool the fuel pump and gascolator.
Anyone else heard of this being done?
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Guy,
Don't know what a NAGLEEN is but it does hold 2 litres and is the original DENNY
supplied kit part!! It sits in a hinged frame on the firewall!! What are the
dimensions???
Let me know!!
Thanx
Gil
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
At 10:14 AM 9/24/2005, you wrote:
...
> I found a crack in the plastic oilinjection resevoirof my model 4 the
> other day and need a replacement! anyone have a used or unused one for sale!!
Gil,
Which one do you have? Is it the 2 liter Nalgene? If so I can help
you find a replacement.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
The Nalgene is an 80 x 150 x 200 mm (3.25 x 6 x 8") polyethylene
rectangular cube bottle with a 50 mm (2") opening. The screw cap is clear
and says "Nalgene" on it. My frame is custom.
At 09:11 AM 9/26/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
>Guy,
>
> Don't know what a NAGLEEN is but it does hold 2 litres and is the
> original DENNY supplied kit part!! It sits in a hinged frame on the
> firewall!! What are the dimensions???
>Let me know!!
>Thanx
> Gil
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 oil injection resevoir needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
And if it doesn't work, I also have a Denney oil reservoir, about 6 x 8 x 3
inches, complete with brackets, oil filter and low level sensor, Gill.
I waited to answer to see if someone had it on your side of the Atlantic
because shipping from Norway would be more expensive. But if Norm's reservoir
doesn't fit and mine does, let me know. In any case, you can sleep quietly
tonight, friend, your problem will be solve.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
Gill Levesque wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Yes, Norm thats the one!!! and yes I want it!!
> What do you want for it!
> I am in southern ontario, Canada so will have to include postage to mail it!!
Let me know!!
>
> Your a lifesaver!!!
> Thanx Gil
>
> Norman P Vrooman <normv1@juno.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norman P Vrooman
>
> Gil,
> If it is the rectangular one fitting in the Denny (Skystar) mounting
> bracket, I have one in good shape.
> Let me know if you want it.
>
> Norm
> normv1@juno.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: Series 4 Leading Edge Slats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian J. Pankonin" <brian@stevesaircraft.com>
I have talked extensively with the owner of the Kitfox that I have done this
modification too.
He is extreamly happy with the modification so far but we are still working
out some of the
minor kinks. Installation of VG's just aft of the slot and on the underside
of the elevators
has produced a genterler stall and the stall has been pretty consistent at
20 MPH indicated.
He does have speeds from the GPS to compare to prior to installation but he
has not checked
GPS reading since installation yet. We want to add gap seals to the
elevator before doing the
final numbers. I would also like to do some yarn tufting to see exactly
where the airflow
changes into the slat. Hopefully we can get everything done in the next
couple of weeks.
Unfortunatly, his scedule is pretty copact and I have to work around that.
Pictures have been uploaded to matronics, will have to wait to see if they
get posted.
Thanks for all your interest.
Brian.
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Yes, Yes, On shut down run the engine to 2500 to 3000 RPM;s. Cut off the
ign's and pull the throttle back to idle. Smooth shutdown. Clint
From: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
On a classic 4 Kitfox we had a major vibration problem, mainly on shut down.
We fitted a slipper clutch which helped a bit.
On the annual service we found that 2 engine mounting bolts had sheared off
and all the engine mounting rubber bolts were well under the recommended
torque.
We have put in new bolts and torqued all engine rubber bolts and the
vibration is now far better BUT when one powers back then one still gets a
vibration to a level where one get petrol coming out of the carb overflow.
Any ideas?
Harry Tucker
Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC
PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa
Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824
Email: harry@htucker.com
Skype: harrytucker
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I found this process to work well on the 582's also...Bring RPM's to about
2500. Kill the mags and immediately pull the throttles off (same time).
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop
medium
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
> <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Yes, Yes, On shut down run the engine to 2500 to 3000 RPM;s. Cut off the
> ign's and pull the throttle back to idle. Smooth shutdown. Clint
>
> From: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 S vibration problems with Ivo Prop medium
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:19:03 +0100
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harry Tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
>
> On a classic 4 Kitfox we had a major vibration problem, mainly on shut
> down.
>
> We fitted a slipper clutch which helped a bit.
>
> On the annual service we found that 2 engine mounting bolts had sheared
> off
> and all the engine mounting rubber bolts were well under the recommended
> torque.
>
>
> We have put in new bolts and torqued all engine rubber bolts and the
> vibration is now far better BUT when one powers back then one still gets a
> vibration to a level where one get petrol coming out of the carb overflow.
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Harry Tucker
>
> Wildlife & Golf Inv. Corp CC
>
> PO Box 2830, White River, 1240 South Africa
>
> Tel: + 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
>
> Mobile: + 27 83 45 28824
>
> Email: harry@htucker.com
>
> Skype: harrytucker
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a source for a kitfox 1 wheel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " Harold Nelson" <HBN@SRNET.COM>
Jack--
If you get desparate I have an LW-27R wheel that needs some machine
work to make useable again. The brake disc mounting lug holes were stripped.
The stripped holes have been Heliarc filled, but some of the aluminum fill
extends above the brake disc mounting surface. This needs to be milled off
on a vertical mill, or possibly on a lathe to true up the brake disc
mounting surfaces, after which two new threaded holes need to be made for
mounting the brake disc, and one Helicoil installed for the third lug. This
is a fair amount of machining, but should give a perfectly useable wheel.
Again, if you're desparate!!!
Harold Nelson
----- Original Message -----
From: "jack bell" <jack@comconn.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need a source for a kitfox 1 wheel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Reading you 5 Rick
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gyros
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
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