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1. 02:59 AM - Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? (Brett Walmsley)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? (Fox5flyer)
3. 08:29 AM - Re:KF nose over after deadstick landing? (Stu Bryant)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: GSC GTA In-Flight on my Series 3 (Michael Gibbs)
5. 11:19 AM - [ Brian J. Pankonin ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 12:41 PM - Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? (Glenn Horne)
7. 01:04 PM - Model 4 tailspring (Gill Levesque)
8. 01:09 PM - Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? (Michel Verheughe)
9. 01:22 PM - Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? (eccles)
10. 01:34 PM - replacing landing gear ()
11. 03:49 PM - Re: Model 4 tailspring (Don Smythe)
12. 04:55 PM - Engine Stuff (Guy Buchanan)
13. 05:39 PM - Re: Model 4 tailspring (Brian Rodgers)
14. 05:58 PM - Re: replacing landing gear (Randy Daughenbaugh)
15. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine Stuff (John Stoner)
16. 06:26 PM - Re: replacing landing gear (Clint Bazzill)
17. 09:43 PM - Re: Model 4 tailspring (jdmcbean)
18. 11:03 PM - Re: replacing landing gear (Lowell Fitt)
19. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Pretty sure its not a KF. The wing strut attaches under the forward spar.
Gear is wrong. Looks alot like a Rans S7
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF nose over after deadstick landing?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> http://www.mercedsun-star.com/local/story/11288507p-12038163c.html
>
> Looks like a 'fox to me, though the picture is not good enough to read the
> N
> number.
> Anyone know Frank? I don't see anything resembling a Kitfox or Avid
> registered to his name... I'm curious as to what powerplant he was
> running.
> Hopefully he'll be able to have her back together & in the air soon. As it
> is said, "any landing you can walk away from..."
>
> Stu
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> --
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>
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| Subject: | Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Definitely not a Fox. Look at the windows.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF nose over after deadstick landing?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> http://www.mercedsun-star.com/local/story/11288507p-12038163c.html
>
> Looks like a 'fox to me, though the picture is not good enough to read the
N
> number.
> Anyone know Frank? I don't see anything resembling a Kitfox or Avid
> registered to his name... I'm curious as to what powerplant he was
running.
> Hopefully he'll be able to have her back together & in the air soon. As it
> is said, "any landing you can walk away from..."
>
> Stu
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | RE:KF nose over after deadstick landing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
False alarm- not a Kitfox. Got my Saturday paper which had a better picture.
It is a 7AC Aeronca. Still, glad he was able to walk away.
Stu
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| Subject: | Re: GSC GTA In-Flight on my Series 3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>Props are just like wings, different airfoils, different surface
>finishes, Reynolds numbers, etc...all have an effect.
It's certainly true that a proper mating of prop and engine is
critical. I should have said initially that my performance comments
are based only on the Ivo medium and the 912S.
>...does the Medium still adjust by twisting the blades? It seems
>like a pretty simple way to do it, but I think part of the problem
>with the lightweight prop was that the blades didn't all twist the
>same amount.
Yes, same mechanism. Perhaps you're right about the differences
between the light and the medium, the medium's blades are much more
substantial. I don't know how the torsional vibration on the two
strokes compares with the 912.
Mine ran very smoothly so I was never prompted to measure mine to see
if the blades were warping the same amount.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | [ Brian J. Pankonin ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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Lists: Kitfox-List
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| Subject: | Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
It's an Aronica Champ. Look at the color.
Red belly and over all yellow. Factory colors.
Glenn
Kitfoxd II / 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF nose over after deadstick landing?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Definitely not a Fox. Look at the windows.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: KF nose over after deadstick landing?
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant"
>> <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> http://www.mercedsun-star.com/local/story/11288507p-12038163c.html
>>
>> Looks like a 'fox to me, though the picture is not good enough to read
>> the
> N
>> number.
>> Anyone know Frank? I don't see anything resembling a Kitfox or Avid
>> registered to his name... I'm curious as to what powerplant he was
> running.
>> Hopefully he'll be able to have her back together & in the air soon. As
>> it
>> is said, "any landing you can walk away from..."
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Model 4 tailspring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Well!!
Broke another tail spring!!!Have to replace it!!! What do you guy's suggest
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
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| Subject: | Re: KF nose over after deadstick landing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Do you, guys, think that the pilot was too keen on the brakes to tip over like
that, or is it something else that can get a taildragger over end?
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | KF nose over after deadstick landing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
looks like he landed across the crop rows instead of with them ,, but then
again i wasn't there so who knows
Model V driver
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Horne
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF nose over after deadstick landing?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
It's an Aronica Champ. Look at the color.
Red belly and over all yellow. Factory colors.
Glenn
Kitfoxd II / 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF nose over after deadstick landing?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Definitely not a Fox. Look at the windows.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: KF nose over after deadstick landing?
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant"
>> <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> http://www.mercedsun-star.com/local/story/11288507p-12038163c.html
>>
>> Looks like a 'fox to me, though the picture is not good enough to read
>> the
> N
>> number.
>> Anyone know Frank? I don't see anything resembling a Kitfox or Avid
>> registered to his name... I'm curious as to what powerplant he was
> running.
>> Hopefully he'll be able to have her back together & in the air soon. As
>> it
>> is said, "any landing you can walk away from..."
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | replacing landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jgh54@netscape.com>
what is best way to lift kf5 so i can replace landing gear, friend suggested jacking
at wing strut attachment looks to me that would put to much weightforward
and plane would tip onto nose
Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 tailspring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Grove, Grove, Grove
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 4 tailspring
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Well!!
> Broke another tail spring!!!Have to replace it!!! What do you guy's
> suggest
>
>
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
It's getting awfully close. As such I've got a couple more
questions before first start:
1. Can / should I run my 582 / C / RK400 clutch without the prop installed?
I understand there will be cooling issues, but I'd like to warm it up and
look at it without a prop nearby if possible.
2. My 582 grey head head vent runs up and aft to the fill. It's decidedly
higher than the head or the fill. I therefore don't see how it will ever
clear of air. I'm thinking of putting a valve at the top to allow me to
open it to air to vent until coolant comes out, and then shut it. Is that
how it would work?
3. How do you pre-lube a 2-stroke? I'll have oil in the reservoir and that
system bled. I'll have oil in the fuel too. Is that all I need? Or do I
need to somehow pre-oil the engine? (It's been sitting for years.) Is there
any benefit to pulling the plugs and cranking unloaded at least until fuel
starts entering the engine? (I've only got the Mikuni fuel pump. I presume
it will take quite a bit of cranking to get the engine running, even with
the choke.)
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 tailspring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
Wheel landings...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 4 tailspring
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Well!!
> Broke another tail spring!!!Have to replace it!!! What do you guy's
suggest
>
>
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | replacing landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Can you get two saw horses? Put one ahead of the main gear and one behind
on the flat floor of the fuselage. Just keep "jacking it up" by lifting the
tail to put more spacers on the back saw horse and then tipping the tail
down to more spacers on the front saw horse.
Maybe have some carpet between the boards and the plane.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jgh54@netscape.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: replacing landing gear
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jgh54@netscape.com>
what is best way to lift kf5 so i can replace landing gear, friend suggested
jacking at wing strut attachment looks to me that would put to much
weightforward and plane would tip onto nose
Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Stuff |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Hello Guy,
I'll start off with some thoughts on your questions:
1. Can / should I run my 582 / C / RK400 clutch without the prop installed?
After a recent overhaul I started and ran my 582 / C with no prop to
correctly set the oil injector with an unloaded engine at idle. Mine does
not have the RK400 clutch, but if I understand the clutch mechanism the
engine will start and idle with no prop load anyway. I was very careful to
limit the no-load RPM to less than 3,000.
2. My 582 grey head head vent runs up and aft to the fill. It's decidedly
higher than the head or the fill. I therefore don't see how it will ever
clear of air. I'm thinking of putting a valve at the top to allow me to
open it to air to vent until coolant comes out, and then shut it. Is that
how it would work?
On my system (KF III, 582) the head vent line connects to the fill lower
than the overflow outlet on the fill. I think that this is all that is
necessary. When the engine is running a small amount of coolant is always
flowing through this vent line and back into the system.
3. How do you pre-lube a 2-stroke? I'll have oil in the reservoir and that
system bled. I'll have oil in the fuel too. Is that all I need? Or do I
need to somehow pre-oil the engine? (It's been sitting for years.) Is there
any benefit to pulling the plugs and cranking unloaded at least until fuel
starts entering the engine? (I've only got the Mikuni fuel pump. I presume
it will take quite a bit of cranking to get the engine running, even with
the choke.)
There is no need to pre-oil the engine. Follow manual to bleed system,
premix for the first tank, and light the fire. If you want to be over
cautious and do some pre oiling, just mix a small amount of fuel extra rich
with oil and squirt it into the carbs with a small oil pump can when you
first crank the engine (air filters removed for this). This priming into
the carbs is a good way to instatly start the engine without a lot of
cranking. (BE SURE TO HAVE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER HANDY, as you should at
every engine start and every fueling event.)
If you fly in cold country you may want to toss the chokes and install a
primer. In my before primer days, a couple of times the battery did not
hold enough charge to start the engine with the chokes. With the choke
controls gone and primer in place the engine has never failed to start
instantly, when really cold I keep it running for the first 30 seconds or so
by pumping the primer slowly until it warms enough to run on its own.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | replacing landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Take off the cowling. Put some ropes around engine. Use come along or
hoist over the rafters. Lift aircraft. Much easier. One person
operation. Clint
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: replacing landing gear
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Can you get two saw horses? Put one ahead of the main gear and one behind
on the flat floor of the fuselage. Just keep "jacking it up" by lifting the
tail to put more spacers on the back saw horse and then tipping the tail
down to more spacers on the front saw horse.
Maybe have some carpet between the boards and the plane.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jgh54@netscape.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: replacing landing gear
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jgh54@netscape.com>
what is best way to lift kf5 so i can replace landing gear, friend suggested
jacking at wing strut attachment looks to me that would put to much
weightforward and plane would tip onto nose
Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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| Subject: | Model 4 tailspring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Unfortunately Grove no longer offers the Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring.....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 4 tailspring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Grove, Grove, Grove
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 4 tailspring
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Well!!
> Broke another tail spring!!!Have to replace it!!! What do you guy's
> suggest
>
>
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: replacing landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I made a short sawhorse like support and by lifting the tail another person
was able to insert it under the lift strud carry through and then by putting
a little more weight on the tail I could lift the mains off the ground.
Sort of like a teeter totter.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <jgh54@netscape.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: replacing landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jgh54@netscape.com>
>
> what is best way to lift kf5 so i can replace landing gear, friend
> suggested jacking at wing strut attachment looks to me that would put to
> much weightforward and plane would tip onto nose
>
> Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
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Dear Lister,
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will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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